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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    pandora wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
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    Still... if smokers were, indeed, courteous... wouldn't they show their courtesy by placing their discarded cigarette butts in the trash?
    one would think so thats why I mentioned a perfect world Cosmos... but not all smokers are messy, I'm sure you are not assuming that.
    We have very courteous people that smoke and courteous people who do not smoke and we have careless jerks who smoke and careless jerks who do smoke.
    We got all kinds.
    ...
    Good. Then, that means your comment about smokers being courteous is invalid... just wanted clarification.
    And yeah, there are careless jerks in all walks of life... but look on the ground next time you are out in public... judging from the number of cigarette butts you find, you have to come to a conclusion that there are an awful lot of careless jerks that smoke. I don't know if there are the same number of careless jerks who don't smoke, because they are not leaving any physical evidence.
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Cosmo wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
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    If smokers are courteous... they why are there cigarette butts everywhere you go?
    Cosmo this is the perfect world, the 'Live and Let Live' world that the other poster
    thought he understood but apparently did not.
    ...
    Still... if smokers were, indeed, courteous... wouldn't they show their courtesy by placing their discarded cigarette butts in the trash?
    Many do. I have friends who get rid of the ash and put the filters in their pocket until they can find a garbage can. And if I see you litter by chucking your butt, I can't help but say something about it. My husband goes as far as to having this on his bumper.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Many do. I have friends who get rid of the ash and put the filters in their pocket until they can find a garbage can. And if I see you litter by chucking your butt, I can't help but say something about it. My husband goes as far as to having this on his bumper.
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    ...
    Great. I do the same... if there isn't a trash can around (and that ain't much of an excuse because trash cans are everywhere), I'll put the butt in my pocket... which is extremely rare because there always is a trash can nearby.
    Also... I do beach clean ups with my chapter of the SurfRiders and the most crap we pick out of the sand... cigarette butts and those plastic straws.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    oh and while were at it.. please dont spit your gum on the ground you pigs that do.
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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Many do. I have friends who get rid of the ash and put the filters in their pocket until they can find a garbage can. And if I see you litter by chucking your butt, I can't help but say something about it. My husband goes as far as to having this on his bumper.
    b5474_450.jpeg
    Haha, I like it.
    You know we had quite a few fires started here last summer (and EVERY summer for that matter) because idiots who chuck their butts out onto dry grass. :roll:
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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    catefrances wrote:
    oh and while were at it.. please dont spit your gum on the ground you pigs that do.
    You tell 'em :)
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    no perhaps not
    smokers are courteous of others with their habit and stay in areas designated for public smoking
    nonsmokers respect the fact that there are people who smoke in designated areas

    theres really nothing to it
    oh and we all pay taxes for everyone who is in need and also for the governments huge deficit
    actually we pay taxes to cover just the interest on the huge government deficit...another thread
    ...
    If smokers are courteous... they why are there cigarette butts everywhere you go?

    same reason there are beer and soda cans and other assorted types trash everywhere you go ? :D

    Godfather.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    about 100 times more butts. most smokers don't consider flicking a cig as littering. trust me, I once was one. my whole group of friends smoked, or still do. I have never, EVER, once seen a smoker put out a cigarette and put it in their pocket. NOT ONCE. Not even a stranger on the street.

    it's not that smokers are rude people or purposely inconsiderate to the environment, it's the culture of it. when we started smoking, there were no outdoor ashtrays, so it was commonplace to chuck em.
    Godfather. wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    no perhaps not
    smokers are courteous of others with their habit and stay in areas designated for public smoking
    nonsmokers respect the fact that there are people who smoke in designated areas

    theres really nothing to it
    oh and we all pay taxes for everyone who is in need and also for the governments huge deficit
    actually we pay taxes to cover just the interest on the huge government deficit...another thread
    ...
    If smokers are courteous... they why are there cigarette butts everywhere you go?

    same reason there are beer and soda cans and other assorted types trash everywhere you go ? :D

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    paul believe it or not when I see scads of cig butts all over the ground it sickens me...as guilty as I am of this I still try to put them in a trash can or back in my pack but like many I still flick them from time to time. :?

    Godfather.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    I know, GF, I know. As a former smoker, I get it.
    Godfather. wrote:
    paul believe it or not when I see scads of cig butts all over the ground it sickens me...as guilty as I am of this I still try to put them in a trash can or back in my pack but like many I still flick them from time to time. :?

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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Paul David wrote:
    about 100 times more butts. most smokers don't consider flicking a cig as littering. trust me, I once was one. my whole group of friends smoked, or still do. I have never, EVER, once seen a smoker put out a cigarette and put it in their pocket. NOT ONCE. Not even a stranger on the street.

    it's not that smokers are rude people or purposely inconsiderate to the environment, it's the culture of it. when we started smoking, there were no outdoor ashtrays, so it was commonplace to chuck em.

    And I think that is the point.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    scb wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    about 100 times more butts. most smokers don't consider flicking a cig as littering. trust me, I once was one. my whole group of friends smoked, or still do. I have never, EVER, once seen a smoker put out a cigarette and put it in their pocket. NOT ONCE. Not even a stranger on the street.

    it's not that smokers are rude people or purposely inconsiderate to the environment, it's the culture of it. when we started smoking, there were no outdoor ashtrays, so it was commonplace to chuck em.

    And I think that is the point.
    i put em in my pocket all the time when i used to smoke.



    anyway, triumphant angel had the best post in this thread already.


    to reiterate.



    I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth.


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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    If smokers are courteous... they why are there cigarette butts everywhere you go?

    same reason there are beer and soda cans and other assorted types trash everywhere you go ? :D

    Godfather.
    ...
    I know you're not serious.
    The point is... people, even smokers, are aware of litter and typically look for a trash can. But, for some reason, smokers do not consider cigarette butts as litter. Even if there is a trash can, there are cigarette butts on the ground around it. My point being... Pandora's assessment that smokers are considerate is invalidated by the physical evidence of cigarette butts all over the city streets.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Paul David wrote:
    I have never, EVER, once seen a smoker put out a cigarette and put it in their pocket. NOT ONCE. Not even a stranger on the street.
    ...
    You haven't had a smoke with me, yet. And yeah, I admit... it is an extremely rare occurance for me because there are trash cans all over the place. But, i have put them in my back pocket temporarily, til I pass a trash can or ashtray. My clothes smells like smoke anyway, right?
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Cosmo wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Still... if smokers were, indeed, courteous... wouldn't they show their courtesy by placing their discarded cigarette butts in the trash?
    one would think so thats why I mentioned a perfect world Cosmos... but not all smokers are messy, I'm sure you are not assuming that.
    We have very courteous people that smoke and courteous people who do not smoke and we have careless jerks who smoke and careless jerks who do smoke.
    We got all kinds.
    ...
    Good. Then, that means your comment about smokers being courteous is invalid... just wanted clarification.
    And yeah, there are careless jerks in all walks of life... but look on the ground next time you are out in public... judging from the number of cigarette butts you find, you have to come to a conclusion that there are an awful lot of careless jerks that smoke. I don't know if there are the same number of careless jerks who don't smoke, because they are not leaving any physical evidence.
    non smokers could be littering, spitting gob everywhere, being a jag in traffic, rude and impatient in grocery store lines,countless things, there is plenty of evidence unfortunately.

    Its a small mind who is unwilling to listen to another viewpoint or attempts to twist it to fit theirs.

    Again, if you would read back through what I said I did not say that all smokers were courteous, that being taken out of text... kind of like our newspapers and news do. :roll:

    I said in a perfect live and let live world where people actually care about each other
    they would all be courteous.... I also said that would never happen.

    So to clarify, my point was indeed valid unless someone who is acting jerky fails to comprehend it in order to support their own opinion.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    catefrances wrote:
    oh and while were at it.. please dont spit your gum on the ground you pigs that do.
    and please don't spit period! gross habit :sick:
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Just personal experience, but I would guess that in my area, most smokers are pretty inconsiderate. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that 9 out of 10 smokers around here just flick their butts on the ground without thinking about it. As Paul David said, its just a weird culture, or maybe it's the fact that a butt is so small that some people think it is so miniscule that it doesnt matter. But once the butts add up, it can be substantial.

    Also, here's something Pearl Jam related == I think in the Italy DVD, Eddie can be seen puttin out a cig and carrying the butt way over to the entrance of the ampitheater and discarding it... Good job Ed.
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Just personal experience, but I would guess that in my area, most smokers are pretty inconsiderate. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that 9 out of 10 smokers around here just flick their butts on the ground without thinking about it. As Paul David said, its just a weird culture, or maybe it's the fact that a butt is so small that some people think it is so miniscule that it doesnt matter. But once the butts add up, it can be substantial.

    Also, here's something Pearl Jam related == I think in the Italy DVD, Eddie can be seen puttin out a cig and carrying the butt way over to the entrance of the ampitheater and discarding it... Good job Ed.

    It may be cultural to just throw your butt on the ground, but we can change that by telling smokers who are littering that they are indeed littering. Spread the word.

    We used to have a boat and had many smoking friends on it. They would throw their butts in the water. OK, gross, you're swimming in that water! We had to keep a coffee can on the boat and insist they flick their butts in there. Over time, they just stopped littering. You just have to say something.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Jeanwah wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Just personal experience, but I would guess that in my area, most smokers are pretty inconsiderate. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that 9 out of 10 smokers around here just flick their butts on the ground without thinking about it. As Paul David said, its just a weird culture, or maybe it's the fact that a butt is so small that some people think it is so miniscule that it doesnt matter. But once the butts add up, it can be substantial.

    Also, here's something Pearl Jam related == I think in the Italy DVD, Eddie can be seen puttin out a cig and carrying the butt way over to the entrance of the ampitheater and discarding it... Good job Ed.

    It may be cultural to just throw your butt on the ground, but we can change that by telling smokers who are littering that they are indeed littering. Spread the word.

    And inevitably there will be people who say we are being mean and close-minded and trampling on their rights.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    pandora wrote:
    Its a small mind who is unwilling to listen to another viewpoint or attempts to twist it to fit theirs....

    So to clarify, my point was indeed valid unless someone who is acting jerky fails to comprehend it in order to support their own opinion.

    Wow, you're on a roll with the insults these days, huh? Let me just point out that these exact same statements could be made about you in this thread.

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