see, the thing about it is, all of the other arguments made by people about "why bitch about smoking in bars when you are poisoning your own liver" and "if they ban smoking outside, how long until fat people and people with illnesses". Gimme a fargin' break. Apples and oranges my friends. First of all, my liver has nothing to do with you, and I'm not breathing in anyone else's fat or cancer.
One infringes on my personal space and my right to clean air, the others have no infringement on me whatsoever.
I used to be a smoker. I still do occasionally (when really loaded!). But never, EVER, would I argue that it's my RIGHT to pollute everyone else's air. It's fucking disgusting, and if it bothers someone, I'd move. Inside OR out.
i don't think it's as black and white are you are saying here. i disagree the others have no infringment on you whatsoever.
if someone drinks and jumps in their car and drives they can kill you. it happens every single day. even though you have a right to not be killed by an idiot, it can still happen.
if a morbidly obese person wants to eat macdonalds and other crap till they burst well that's ok too. that's their right. but don't forget those people are taking up hospital beds, visiting doctors, calling on emergency services etc and that puts you next in line. you have to wait your turn and if the macca loving person gets seen to before you and you are in need of emergency treatment then you just need to wait and there is nothing you can do. what those people do in their lives can impact on you one way or another.
well hopefully theyll just explode monty python style and free up an emergency berth.
I was waiting for someone to take it farther than the immediacy of the actual issue. I'm not talking about anything like "eventual ramifications". I'm talking about "here and now". If we want to go into eventuals, we can talk about the taxing of the health care system, the second hand smoke of the parent to the child, etc. I'm talking about the topic of the OP; the person who is subjected to the stranger's second hand smoke. You cannot claim under any circumstances that any person has the right to infringe on that person's right to free breath. It actually IS that black and white.
Not everyone who drinks in the bar I'm in drives home and kills me. Everyone who smokes near me has an immediate effect.
see, the thing about it is, all of the other arguments made by people about "why bitch about smoking in bars when you are poisoning your own liver" and "if they ban smoking outside, how long until fat people and people with illnesses". Gimme a fargin' break. Apples and oranges my friends. First of all, my liver has nothing to do with you, and I'm not breathing in anyone else's fat or cancer.
One infringes on my personal space and my right to clean air, the others have no infringement on me whatsoever.
I used to be a smoker. I still do occasionally (when really loaded!). But never, EVER, would I argue that it's my RIGHT to pollute everyone else's air. It's fucking disgusting, and if it bothers someone, I'd move. Inside OR out.
i don't think it's as black and white are you are saying here. i disagree the others have no infringment on you whatsoever.
if someone drinks and jumps in their car and drives they can kill you. it happens every single day. even though you have a right to not be killed by an idiot, it can still happen.
if a morbidly obese person wants to eat macdonalds and other crap till they burst well that's ok too. that's their right. but don't forget those people are taking up hospital beds, visiting doctors, calling on emergency services etc and that puts you next in line. you have to wait your turn and if the macca loving person gets seen to before you and you are in need of emergency treatment then you just need to wait and there is nothing you can do. what those people do in their lives can impact on you one way or another.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
This is great; the freedom of the non-smoker prevails!
hmmmm.... what until they take away your rights....never applaud moves like this by our government.
I am a nonsmoker but understand peoples rights to basic freedoms. Smoking outside on the street should be one of them!
Normally I am all for smaller government, less control, etc. (November 2nd can't get here soon enough!) But why are you so concerned with the basic freedoms of the smoker and why are they more important than the basic freedom of the non-smoker? In this case the government hasn't taken anything from me, in fact they are trying to give me something for once! I give so much in to this government and take nothing in return, I'm just glad for once that things might go my way.
I'm surprised the Democrats haven't cashed in on the smoking thing yet. Putting people in to groups, telling them they are oppressed and offering them something for votes is their thing. Plus Obama is a smoker.
This is great; the freedom of the non-smoker prevails!
hmmmm.... what until they take away your rights....never applaud moves like this by our government.
I am a nonsmoker but understand peoples rights to basic freedoms. Smoking outside on the street should be one of them!
Normally I am all for smaller government, less control, etc. (November 2nd can't get here soon enough!) But why are you so concerned with the basic freedoms of the smoker and why are they more important than the basic freedom of the non-smoker? In this case the government hasn't taken anything from me, in fact they are trying to give me something for once! I give so much in to this government and take nothing in return, I'm just glad for once that things might go my way.
I'm surprised the Democrats haven't cashed in on the smoking thing yet. Putting people in to groups, telling them they are oppressed and offering them something for votes is their thing. Plus Obama is a smoker.
Becasue the smoker has basic rights... that should be recognized. Hysteria over second hand smoke has taken the laws too far...no shock there... to include open air on the street ???? Smokers pay taxes, are the same human beings as non smokers, yet they are being made to feel something is wrong with them if they choose to smoke, that they have no rights even when they are not endangering others.
In the future this will carry to the overweight, to weed smokers, to people who drink. Its a slow process but just another way to judge and control people for not living their lives the way someone thinks they should.
lol @ the waiting for someone to take it farther than the immediacy of the actual issues. i fell for it, you baited me!
in all seriousness tho, i agree that not everyone who drives after drinking in a bar will kill you, but one person is killed every 39 minutes in the US by a drunk driver. something like 18,000 people a year.
if i had a choice of sitting with a smoker while they had a smoke or jumping into a car with a drunk driver, i know what i would choose.
i'm not a smoker and i'm definitely not defending peoples right to smoke wherever they like as i do think that people who are smokers should be considerate to others when they are smoking. (don't smoke in confined areas or at bus stops etc to use Catefrances example, where you know there is a good chance there will be non smokers because that's just ignorant and selfish). the thing is, smokings pretty much banned from most enclosed areas these days. don't you ever hear people bitching and moaning about smokers just because they can? even when they are not affecting them? i have. that's what i have a problem with.
i've heard people complain at work because they have to walk past the smoking area outside that has been designated for the smokers. even though their workmates are already standing outside, some of them still have to bitch and moan about it. it's simple. don't walk out that door, you don't have to walk past them, take another exit and walk around. it might take a few minutes more but so what. think about how much better it will be for your heart to get that few minutes extra excercise. cause if they are so worried about their health it shouldn't be such a big deal for them.
I was waiting for someone to take it farther than the immediacy of the actual issue. I'm not talking about anything like "eventual ramifications". I'm talking about "here and now". If we want to go into eventuals, we can talk about the taxing of the health care system, the second hand smoke of the parent to the child, etc. I'm talking about the topic of the OP; the person who is subjected to the stranger's second hand smoke. You cannot claim under any circumstances that any person has the right to infringe on that person's right to free breath. It actually IS that black and white.
Not everyone who drinks in the bar I'm in drives home and kills me. Everyone who smokes near me has an immediate effect.
see, the thing about it is, all of the other arguments made by people about "why bitch about smoking in bars when you are poisoning your own liver" and "if they ban smoking outside, how long until fat people and people with illnesses". Gimme a fargin' break. Apples and oranges my friends. First of all, my liver has nothing to do with you, and I'm not breathing in anyone else's fat or cancer.
One infringes on my personal space and my right to clean air, the others have no infringement on me whatsoever.
I used to be a smoker. I still do occasionally (when really loaded!). But never, EVER, would I argue that it's my RIGHT to pollute everyone else's air. It's fucking disgusting, and if it bothers someone, I'd move. Inside OR out.
i don't think it's as black and white are you are saying here. i disagree the others have no infringment on you whatsoever.
if someone drinks and jumps in their car and drives they can kill you. it happens every single day. even though you have a right to not be killed by an idiot, it can still happen.
if a morbidly obese person wants to eat macdonalds and other crap till they burst well that's ok too. that's their right. but don't forget those people are taking up hospital beds, visiting doctors, calling on emergency services etc and that puts you next in line. you have to wait your turn and if the macca loving person gets seen to before you and you are in need of emergency treatment then you just need to wait and there is nothing you can do. what those people do in their lives can impact on you one way or another.
I tried it once but I diden't inhale. -Bill Clinton
I'm trying to quit so I brought my E-cig to work and with in 2 weeks EH&S banned those also..not that I care
but they said it dosen't look good.......what ?????
hmmmm.... what until they take away your rights....never applaud moves like this by our government.
I am a nonsmoker but understand peoples rights to basic freedoms. Smoking outside on the street should be one of them!
Mmm... what about drinking outside on the streets?
signed - an european that lives in the USA
Are you for or against that and how does that relate to smoking? I'm missing the correlation.
sheesh, who took the jam out of your donught?
i think their point was in europe you can walk around with an open container but in the states you can only do it in certain placed like new orleans or certain events and usually you have to buy a wristband or something to allow you to drink.
although, i think a bigger difference is europe has better public transit systems or at least i don't think as many europeans drive home drunk, some countries in europe have pretty stiff drunk driving laws
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
lol @ the waiting for someone to take it farther than the immediacy of the actual issues. i fell for it, you baited me!
in all seriousness tho, i agree that not everyone who drives after drinking in a bar will kill you, but one person is killed every 39 minutes in the US by a drunk driver. something like 18,000 people a year.
if i had a choice of sitting with a smoker while they had a smoke or jumping into a car with a drunk driver, i know what i would choose.
i'm not a smoker and i'm definitely not defending peoples right to smoke wherever they like as i do think that people who are smokers should be considerate to others when they are smoking. (don't smoke in confined areas or at bus stops etc to use Catefrances example, where you know there is a good chance there will be non smokers because that's just ignorant and selfish). the thing is, smokings pretty much banned from most enclosed areas these days. don't you ever hear people bitching and moaning about smokers just because they can? even when they are not affecting them? i have. that's what i have a problem with.
i've heard people complain at work because they have to walk past the smoking area outside that has been designated for the smokers. even though their workmates are already standing outside, some of them still have to bitch and moan about it. it's simple. don't walk out that door, you don't have to walk past them, take another exit and walk around. it might take a few minutes more but so what. think about how much better it will be for your heart to get that few minutes extra excercise. cause if they are so worried about their health it shouldn't be such a big deal for them.
Mmm... what about drinking outside on the streets?
signed - an european that lives in the USA
Are you for or against that and how does that relate to smoking? I'm missing the correlation.
sheesh, who took the jam out of your donught?
i think their point was in europe you can walk around with an open container but in the states you can only do it in certain placed like new orleans or certain events and usually you have to buy a wristband or something to allow you to drink.
although, i think a bigger difference is europe has better public transit systems or at least i don't think as many europeans drive home drunk, some countries in europe have pretty stiff drunk driving laws
I've never had the pleasure to be in Europe, wasn't sure what their laws were but figured more carefree.
I know I wish we had better transit where we live.. it is Vinos taxi only here
I've never had the pleasure to be in Europe, wasn't sure what their laws were but figured more carefree.
I know I wish we had better transit where we live.. it is Vinos taxi only here
i've never been either, well not since i was 3 but that doesn't really count. but i was friends with a foreign exchange student in high school and he said the drunk driving laws were very strict
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I've never had the pleasure to be in Europe, wasn't sure what their laws were but figured more carefree.
I know I wish we had better transit where we live.. it is Vinos taxi only here
i've never been either, well not since i was 3 but that doesn't really count. but i was friends with a foreign exchange student in high school and he said the drunk driving laws were very strict
There is a sensibility in Europe I think. And I say this really just from feeling not with fact. But I believe the old school, the tried and true, the earned wisdom seems to lie there in their culture. The way sex and drinking is viewed/ accepted/ taught seems to make much more sense than here in America. These subjects approached with teaching responsibility where as here its more of an abstinence- taboo approach.
I've never had the pleasure to be in Europe, wasn't sure what their laws were but figured more carefree.
I know I wish we had better transit where we live.. it is Vinos taxi only here
i've never been either, well not since i was 3 but that doesn't really count. but i was friends with a foreign exchange student in high school and he said the drunk driving laws were very strict
Drink driving laws are extremely strict. There are also areas where you can't drink alcohol publicly... in the street for example. You also can't smoke in any public place, restaurants / bars etc. You can't even smoke at stadium shows, football matches etc. Some pubs don't even let you smoke in their gardens. The UK I believe is treating alcohol far more seriously than smoking.
Becasue the smoker has basic rights... that should be recognized. Hysteria over second hand smoke has taken the laws too far...no shock there... to include open air on the street ???? Smokers pay taxes, are the same human beings as non smokers, yet they are being made to feel something is wrong with them if they choose to smoke, that they have no rights even when they are not endangering others.
In the future this will carry to the overweight, to weed smokers, to people who drink. Its a slow process but just another way to judge and control people for not living their lives the way someone thinks they should.
Yes, the smoker does have basic rights. But when the basic rights of the smoker (who choses to be a smoker) conflict with the basic rights of the non-smoker, the non-smoker wins. This is the key you miss in all of your arguments. I don't care if people eat what they want to eat, as long as it doesn't impact others. It does impact others on an airplane, so force them to buy another seat. I don't care if people drink, as long as it doesn't impact others. It does impact people if they decide to drive, so there are laws against it.
I don't even care about the health concerns from second hand smoke, I just think it stinks. Some people have enough trouble breathing with seasonal allergies and asthma, to have to put up with tobacco smoke too. You might change your tune if your child had asthma.
How are they being made to feel like something is wrong with them? They are allowed to smoke in their car, in their homes, or in designated areas. I'll flip your argument on you. If smokers are allowed to smoke outside anywhere they please, why are non-smokers treated like second class citizens that just have to deal with the smoking class?
Becasue the smoker has basic rights... that should be recognized. Hysteria over second hand smoke has taken the laws too far...no shock there... to include open air on the street ???? Smokers pay taxes, are the same human beings as non smokers, yet they are being made to feel something is wrong with them if they choose to smoke, that they have no rights even when they are not endangering others.
In the future this will carry to the overweight, to weed smokers, to people who drink. Its a slow process but just another way to judge and control people for not living their lives the way someone thinks they should.
Yes, the smoker does have basic rights. But when the basic rights of the smoker (who choses to be a smoker) conflict with the basic rights of the non-smoker, the non-smoker wins. This is the key you miss in all of your arguments. I don't care if people eat what they want to eat, as long as it doesn't impact others. It does impact others on an airplane, so force them to buy another seat. I don't care if people drink, as long as it doesn't impact others. It does impact people if they decide to drive, so there are laws against it.
I don't even care about the health concerns from second hand smoke, I just think it stinks. Some people have enough trouble breathing with seasonal allergies and asthma, to have to put up with tobacco smoke too. You might change your tune if your child had asthma.
How are they being made to feel like something is wrong with them? They are allowed to smoke in their car, in their homes, or in designated areas. I'll flip your argument on you. If smokers are allowed to smoke outside anywhere they please, why are non-smokers treated like second class citizens that just have to deal with the smoking class?
why are smokers treated like second class citizens ? are these rights over lapping each other ? I agree with being polite and not smoking in a place with non smokers but I won't move if I am having a smoke by myself and somebody walks up and asks me to put it out then I tell them to piss up a rope..and yes it has happened more than once to me.
There is nothing in the constitution about the government providing healthcare, yet they rammed that down our throats.
except the government is not providing anyone with healthcare, they are forcing us to BUY health INSURANCE or be fined, just like with car insurance.
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Becasue the smoker has basic rights... that should be recognized. Hysteria over second hand smoke has taken the laws too far...no shock there... to include open air on the street ???? Smokers pay taxes, are the same human beings as non smokers, yet they are being made to feel something is wrong with them if they choose to smoke, that they have no rights even when they are not endangering others.
In the future this will carry to the overweight, to weed smokers, to people who drink. Its a slow process but just another way to judge and control people for not living their lives the way someone thinks they should.
Yes, the smoker does have basic rights. But when the basic rights of the smoker (who choses to be a smoker) conflict with the basic rights of the non-smoker, the non-smoker wins. This is the key you miss in all of your arguments. I don't care if people eat what they want to eat, as long as it doesn't impact others. It does impact others on an airplane, so force them to buy another seat. I don't care if people drink, as long as it doesn't impact others. It does impact people if they decide to drive, so there are laws against it.
I don't even care about the health concerns from second hand smoke, I just think it stinks. Some people have enough trouble breathing with seasonal allergies and asthma, to have to put up with tobacco smoke too. You might change your tune if your child had asthma.
How are they being made to feel like something is wrong with them? They are allowed to smoke in their car, in their homes, or in designated areas. I'll flip your argument on you. If smokers are allowed to smoke outside anywhere they please, why are non-smokers treated like second class citizens that just have to deal with the smoking class?
Being able to smoke on the street I think is what we were talking about. I have no problem with smoker sections/ areas, banning in enclosed areas like the workplace/ bars.
I'm a non smoker and feel smokers get trampled on even when they are causing no harm. Its the politically correct thing to do nowadays which is crap.
I don't feel the non smoker wins walking down a public street, sorry that is taking the laws way too far.
If my child had asthma I would not think it was the smoker who should be making concessions in outdoor public areas such as the street. I think that would be up to me to protect my child as I would from ozone, pollutants, and questionable environments.
Being able to smoke on the street I think is what we were talking about. I have no problem with smoker sections/ areas, banning in enclosed areas like the workplace/ bars.
I'm a non smoker and feel smokers get trampled on even when they are causing no harm. Its the politically correct thing to do nowadays which is crap.
I don't feel the non smoker wins walking down a public street, sorry that is taking the laws way too far.
If my child had asthma I would not think it was the smoker who should be making concessions in outdoor public areas such as the street. I think that would be up to me to protect my child as I would from ozone, pollutants, and questionable environments.
It's not the PC thing to do, the PC thing to do would be to cater to the much smaller smoking crowd. Political correctness is never associated with the majority.
Maybe I should stand outside of where you work and just as you exit, spray something that smells really terrible. Let say something that smells like skunk. Why would I do such a thing? Doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to do, yet neither does smoking. Sure it may really suck for you to have to walk through that terrible odor every day, but I like spraying it. I know it's not the norm, but it's a choice I made and you HAVE to cater to me. That's a bit of an extreme example, but it proves a point. The rights of one person should not infringe upon the rights of another.
Being able to smoke on the street I think is what we were talking about. I have no problem with smoker sections/ areas, banning in enclosed areas like the workplace/ bars.
I'm a non smoker and feel smokers get trampled on even when they are causing no harm. Its the politically correct thing to do nowadays which is crap.
I don't feel the non smoker wins walking down a public street, sorry that is taking the laws way too far.
If my child had asthma I would not think it was the smoker who should be making concessions in outdoor public areas such as the street. I think that would be up to me to protect my child as I would from ozone, pollutants, and questionable environments.
It's not the PC thing to do, the PC thing to do would be to cater to the much smaller smoking crowd. Political correctness is never associated with the majority.
Maybe I should stand outside of where you work and just as you exit, spray something that smells really terrible. Let say something that smells like skunk. Why would I do such a thing? Doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to do, yet neither does smoking. Sure it may really suck for you to have to walk through that terrible odor every day, but I like spraying it. I know it's not the norm, but it's a choice I made and you HAVE to cater to me. That's a bit of an extreme example, but it proves a point. The rights of one person should not infringe upon the rights of another.
so then who do we afford these rights to ? where I work we had a smoking area but then the company turned the whole plant into a smoke free facility and told the smokers that they have to smoke outside by the street well this a busy street with joggers just a bout all day and now they run around us going into the street and thats not right but the smokers were forced into that situation, the smokers have as much right as the joggers to use that sidewalk and I agree it's not very polite but there is no where else for the smokers to go at break.
Its a slow process but just another way to judge and control people for not living their lives the way someone thinks they should.
That's what I think of it all. I think now that smoking health hazards are risky with repeated 2nd hand smoke, of course one side is going to attempt to control the situation. A situation that shouldn't be controlled as long as cigarettes are legal.
ETA: Shouldn't it all be about choice, anyway? Unless you are physically blocked where you can't escape, (I agree with no-smoking in small spaces) you have the choice of how you handle the situation in a public area. As a non-smoker, you can get away from the smoke, as well as the smoker being considerate enough to others in their space.
the smokers were forced into that situation, the smokers have as much right as the joggers to use that sidewalk and I agree it's not very polite but there is no where else for the smokers to go at break.
The smokers were forced to smoke? Seems that if they quit, they wouldn't have a problem.
the smokers were forced into that situation, the smokers have as much right as the joggers to use that sidewalk and I agree it's not very polite but there is no where else for the smokers to go at break.
The smokers were forced to smoke? Seems that if they quit, they wouldn't have a problem.
Perhaps the joggers should quit jogging. It's bad for the knees you know.
the smokers were forced into that situation, the smokers have as much right as the joggers to use that sidewalk and I agree it's not very polite but there is no where else for the smokers to go at break.
The smokers were forced to smoke? Seems that if they quit, they wouldn't have a problem.
ah ha there you go...knew that was coming.
You see the control here over anothers choice's, correct? that is what it comes down to...you don't like it so don't do it.
This is the basis of the problem and of a ridiculous law to keep people from smoking on the street.
I still believe it is falling under the politically correct, that doesn't have to be a minority or majority it is just lets jump on THE band wagon.
Yes your skunk spray was over the top... Have you ever had the pleasure?
you'd be wishing it was just cig smoke
There is nothing in the constitution about the government providing healthcare, yet they rammed that down our throats.
except the government is not providing anyone with healthcare, they are forcing us to BUY health INSURANCE or be fined, just like with car insurance.
states force car insurance because they have police powers, not the feds.
I hate cigarette smoke more than anything, but if I am following someone on a side walk with a cigarette I can either speed up or slow down to get away from the smoke. Public places are just that, public, you can choose to go there or not, it isn't up to the Government to legislate personal health choices like this...wanna smoke, go ahead, want to eat yourself to diabetes, go ahead, wanna jump off a building with a parachute...who gives a shit what someone else does...
The only thing that drives me crazy is when people toss their butts out of the window while driving. I cannot stand it. it would be like me throwing a can of soda out the window when I was done. Why is that not considered littering?
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free society sucks sometimes, don't it? I mean, really, banning smoking in public? that's ludicrous. If people are actually arguing that, then they should ban all smelly people in general. Going for a run and all out of pit stick? TOO FUCKING BAD, get off the street! You stink and it's making me ill! I'm a non-stinker so my rights are the ones being infringed upon!
Fucking ludicrous.
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I believe it is, it's just not enforced. It's a huge problem in Winnipeg. 6 months worth of butts sit on the snow and then the snow melts and Winnipeg becomes a fucking living ashtray. it's disgusting.
The only thing that drives me crazy is when people toss their butts out of the window while driving. I cannot stand it. it would be like me throwing a can of soda out the window when I was done. Why is that not considered littering?
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
The only thing that drives me crazy is when people toss their butts out of the window while driving. I cannot stand it. it would be like me throwing a can of soda out the window when I was done. Why is that not considered littering?
I believe it is, it's just not enforced. It's a huge problem in Winnipeg. 6 months worth of butts sit on the snow and then the snow melts and Winnipeg becomes a fucking living ashtray. it's disgusting.
it is disgusting.
not only is it disgusting but those idiots cause bushfires too. i wonder if they ever consider that.
The only thing that drives me crazy is when people toss their butts out of the window while driving. I cannot stand it. it would be like me throwing a can of soda out the window when I was done. Why is that not considered littering?
or it would be like throwing one of these out the window...
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oh the irony.
Not everyone who drinks in the bar I'm in drives home and kills me. Everyone who smokes near me has an immediate effect.
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Normally I am all for smaller government, less control, etc. (November 2nd can't get here soon enough!) But why are you so concerned with the basic freedoms of the smoker and why are they more important than the basic freedom of the non-smoker? In this case the government hasn't taken anything from me, in fact they are trying to give me something for once! I give so much in to this government and take nothing in return, I'm just glad for once that things might go my way.
I'm surprised the Democrats haven't cashed in on the smoking thing yet. Putting people in to groups, telling them they are oppressed and offering them something for votes is their thing. Plus Obama is a smoker.
In the future this will carry to the overweight, to weed smokers, to people who drink. Its a slow process but just another way to judge and control people for not living their lives the way someone thinks they should.
in all seriousness tho, i agree that not everyone who drives after drinking in a bar will kill you, but one person is killed every 39 minutes in the US by a drunk driver. something like 18,000 people a year.
if i had a choice of sitting with a smoker while they had a smoke or jumping into a car with a drunk driver, i know what i would choose.
i'm not a smoker and i'm definitely not defending peoples right to smoke wherever they like as i do think that people who are smokers should be considerate to others when they are smoking. (don't smoke in confined areas or at bus stops etc to use Catefrances example, where you know there is a good chance there will be non smokers because that's just ignorant and selfish). the thing is, smokings pretty much banned from most enclosed areas these days. don't you ever hear people bitching and moaning about smokers just because they can? even when they are not affecting them? i have. that's what i have a problem with.
i've heard people complain at work because they have to walk past the smoking area outside that has been designated for the smokers. even though their workmates are already standing outside, some of them still have to bitch and moan about it. it's simple. don't walk out that door, you don't have to walk past them, take another exit and walk around. it might take a few minutes more but so what. think about how much better it will be for your heart to get that few minutes extra excercise. cause if they are so worried about their health it shouldn't be such a big deal for them.
I'm trying to quit so I brought my E-cig to work and with in 2 weeks EH&S banned those also..not that I care
but they said it dosen't look good.......what ?????
Godfather.
sheesh, who took the jam out of your donught?
i think their point was in europe you can walk around with an open container but in the states you can only do it in certain placed like new orleans or certain events and usually you have to buy a wristband or something to allow you to drink.
although, i think a bigger difference is europe has better public transit systems or at least i don't think as many europeans drive home drunk, some countries in europe have pretty stiff drunk driving laws
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I know I wish we had better transit where we live.. it is Vinos taxi only here
i've never been either, well not since i was 3 but that doesn't really count. but i was friends with a foreign exchange student in high school and he said the drunk driving laws were very strict
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Yes, the smoker does have basic rights. But when the basic rights of the smoker (who choses to be a smoker) conflict with the basic rights of the non-smoker, the non-smoker wins. This is the key you miss in all of your arguments. I don't care if people eat what they want to eat, as long as it doesn't impact others. It does impact others on an airplane, so force them to buy another seat. I don't care if people drink, as long as it doesn't impact others. It does impact people if they decide to drive, so there are laws against it.
I don't even care about the health concerns from second hand smoke, I just think it stinks. Some people have enough trouble breathing with seasonal allergies and asthma, to have to put up with tobacco smoke too. You might change your tune if your child had asthma.
How are they being made to feel like something is wrong with them? They are allowed to smoke in their car, in their homes, or in designated areas. I'll flip your argument on you. If smokers are allowed to smoke outside anywhere they please, why are non-smokers treated like second class citizens that just have to deal with the smoking class?
why are smokers treated like second class citizens ? are these rights over lapping each other ? I agree with being polite and not smoking in a place with non smokers but I won't move if I am having a smoke by myself and somebody walks up and asks me to put it out then I tell them to piss up a rope..and yes it has happened more than once to me.
Godfather.
except the government is not providing anyone with healthcare, they are forcing us to BUY health INSURANCE or be fined, just like with car insurance.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I'm a non smoker and feel smokers get trampled on even when they are causing no harm. Its the politically correct thing to do nowadays which is crap.
I don't feel the non smoker wins walking down a public street, sorry that is taking the laws way too far.
If my child had asthma I would not think it was the smoker who should be making concessions in outdoor public areas such as the street. I think that would be up to me to protect my child as I would from ozone, pollutants, and questionable environments.
It's not the PC thing to do, the PC thing to do would be to cater to the much smaller smoking crowd. Political correctness is never associated with the majority.
Maybe I should stand outside of where you work and just as you exit, spray something that smells really terrible. Let say something that smells like skunk. Why would I do such a thing? Doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to do, yet neither does smoking. Sure it may really suck for you to have to walk through that terrible odor every day, but I like spraying it. I know it's not the norm, but it's a choice I made and you HAVE to cater to me. That's a bit of an extreme example, but it proves a point. The rights of one person should not infringe upon the rights of another.
so then who do we afford these rights to ? where I work we had a smoking area but then the company turned the whole plant into a smoke free facility and told the smokers that they have to smoke outside by the street well this a busy street with joggers just a bout all day and now they run around us going into the street and thats not right but the smokers were forced into that situation, the smokers have as much right as the joggers to use that sidewalk and I agree it's not very polite but there is no where else for the smokers to go at break.
Godfather.
That's what I think of it all. I think now that smoking health hazards are risky with repeated 2nd hand smoke, of course one side is going to attempt to control the situation. A situation that shouldn't be controlled as long as cigarettes are legal.
ETA: Shouldn't it all be about choice, anyway? Unless you are physically blocked where you can't escape, (I agree with no-smoking in small spaces) you have the choice of how you handle the situation in a public area. As a non-smoker, you can get away from the smoke, as well as the smoker being considerate enough to others in their space.
The smokers were forced to smoke? Seems that if they quit, they wouldn't have a problem.
You see the control here over anothers choice's, correct? that is what it comes down to...you don't like it so don't do it.
This is the basis of the problem and of a ridiculous law to keep people from smoking on the street.
I still believe it is falling under the politically correct, that doesn't have to be a minority or majority it is just lets jump on THE band wagon.
Yes your skunk spray was over the top...
you'd be wishing it was just cig smoke
states force car insurance because they have police powers, not the feds.
I hate cigarette smoke more than anything, but if I am following someone on a side walk with a cigarette I can either speed up or slow down to get away from the smoke. Public places are just that, public, you can choose to go there or not, it isn't up to the Government to legislate personal health choices like this...wanna smoke, go ahead, want to eat yourself to diabetes, go ahead, wanna jump off a building with a parachute...who gives a shit what someone else does...
The only thing that drives me crazy is when people toss their butts out of the window while driving. I cannot stand it. it would be like me throwing a can of soda out the window when I was done. Why is that not considered littering?
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Fucking ludicrous.
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it is disgusting.
not only is it disgusting but those idiots cause bushfires too. i wonder if they ever consider that.
or it would be like throwing one of these out the window...
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