Toronto Maple Leafs

BLACK35

fife wrote:

BLACK35 wrote:

I agree with them making the playoffs. I don't think Riemer is ready to be the starting goalie, think they need to ease him in. I don't mind if they Get Lou, I just don't want the Leafs to seel the farm to get him. Don't think he is worth what Vacouver is going to want in return.
Lou can maybe help Reimer along nicely and ease that pressure of playing goal in Toronto

If Toronto gets Lou then Reimer is gone. everyone knows that Lou will play a max of 5-6 more years, if the leafs think that scivens is the goalie of the future than you have Lou help him.

also trust me, Vancouver will not get much from any team for Lou. I see maybe a 2nd rounder and a prospect.

Very true about getting rid of Reimer if they get Lou, actually completely forgot about Scrivens :oops: If they could get him for a second rounder and a prospect, I would do it. The prospect could be Kadri and I would be happy with that.

lukin2006

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/art ... ot-yet-cox


Roberto Luongo trade to Leafs isn’t a done deal, at least not yet: Cox

No NHL player can be traded during the lockout. But that doesn’t mean nobody is talking trade, or that trade rumours can’t gain life while the players are locked out.

That seems to be the case with the Leafs and their pursuit of Vancouver goalie Roberto Luongo, with multiple reports this week indicating that a deal was either close or completed in principle.

Well, not true. At least not yet.

Yes, the Leafs remain very much interested in securing the services of Luongo, and the talks are very much alive. It’s believed Leaf GM Brian Burke and his Vancouver counterpart Mike Gillis spoke as recently as two weeks ago, at which time the Canucks demands were reduced from the bounty they requested at the draft, but not enough for the Leafs to agree to anything.

At the draft, reports indicated Vancouver asked for centre Tyler Bozak, defenceman Jake Gardiner, a first-round pick and winger Matt Frattin in exchange for the 33-year-old Luongo. The Leafs had no interest in paying that kind of price, largely because there is no significant market for the services of the veteran goaltender.

The Leafs, however, have only James Reimer on their NHL roster, and he’s a goalie in search of bounce-back season himself. So they have a definite need for quality veteran goaltending and the Canucks need to get Luongo out-of-town.

So talks have continued on and off, with Bozak as the centrepiece. Vancouver believes Bozak would be a good fit as their No. 3 centre behind Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kesler. The Leafs might be willing to pay more than Bozak, but how much more is unclear.

The most recent owner’s CBA proposal, meanwhile, may have altered the temperature of talks between the two clubs.

Luongo has 10 years remaining on a contract that comes with a cap hit of $5.33 million per season and expires in 2022. His actual salary is $6.714 million for the next six seasons, including the 2012-13 campaign, but then drops by 50 per cent in the seventh year and to $1 million in each of the final two.

The belief has long been with this contract that he’ll play for six years, then retire, taking the Canucks off the hook for the cap hit in the final four years.

But as the Star reported exclusively last month — a report that was dismissed by pro-union media — the majority of owners and the Bettman administration are intent on punishing teams that insisted on doing quasi-legal backsiding contracts like Luongo’s. It was no surprise, then, the owners’ proposal of earlier this week included a provision that for contracts longer than five years, every year of the contract would count against the cap even if the player didn’t play.

Morever, if a player with such a contract was traded and then retired before the contract expired, the remaining annual cap hit would revert to the team that signed the player in the first place.

So for Luongo, if the Leafs acquired him and he retired after the 2017-18 season, the Canucks would then have to swallow the $5.33 million cap hit for the final four years.

Now, nobody knows if that provision will be included in the final CBA, or whether there will even be a CBA in the near future or this season.

But if that clause were to be included, it would make a Luongo deal more attractive to the Leafs, and possibly make Burke more willing to meet Gillis’s demands.

For now, it’s all hypothetical. There is no deal or deal-in-principle, and it seems likely both teams will want to know the terms of the new CBA before a trade is possible.

BLACK35

Just reading on Twitter from Darren Dredger that Gillis said all those rumors very untrue. But you can always take those kind of comments with a grain a salt, from the GMs anyways. Believe it if it happens

uninnocent-

BLACK35 wrote:

Just reading on Twitter from Darren Dredger that Gillis said all those rumors very untrue. But you can always take those kind of comments with a grain a salt, from the GMs anyways. Believe it if it happens

I don't see it happening, but who knows with Burkie & Gillis. Maybe when this lockout ends in a year or two we'll finally have closure on this, one way or another.

BLACK35

uninnocent- wrote:

BLACK35 wrote:

Just reading on Twitter from Darren Dredger that Gillis said all those rumors very untrue. But you can always take those kind of comments with a grain a salt, from the GMs anyways. Believe it if it happens

I don't see it happening, but who knows with Burkie & Gillis. Maybe when this lockout ends in a year or two we'll finally have closure on this, one way or another.

key word year or two and they are buddies

lukin2006

BLACK35 wrote:

Just reading on Twitter from Darren Dredger that Gillis said all those rumors very untrue. But you can always take those kind of comments with a grain a salt, from the GMs anyways. Believe it if it happens

Desperate people do desperate things...can't possibly see how Burke keeps his job if the Leafs miss out on the playoffs again...he's been there 5 years, a 6th year and no playoffs?

uninnocent-

lukin2006 wrote:

Desperate people do desperate things...can't possibly see how Burke keeps his job if the Leafs miss out on the playoffs again...he's been there 5 years, a 6th year and no playoffs?

Agreed. I was a big supporter of Burke (and to an extent, I still am), but if the team's track record doesn't improve he must take responsibility for not getting it done and either step down or fire himself.

BLACK35

lukin2006 wrote:

BLACK35 wrote:

Just reading on Twitter from Darren Dredger that Gillis said all those rumors very untrue. But you can always take those kind of comments with a grain a salt, from the GMs anyways. Believe it if it happens

Desperate people do desperate things...can't possibly see how Burke keeps his job if the Leafs miss out on the playoffs again...he's been there 5 years, a 6th year and no playoffs?

yes very true, I don't think Roberto is the goalie he used to be though, not enough for me to wager the future on him. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind seeing him in the Blue & White
and we can't go another yr of missing the playoffs, I'm sick of cheering for other teams doesn't feel right

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Desperate people do desperate things...can't possibly see how Burke keeps his job if the Leafs miss out on the playoffs again...he's been there 5 years, a 6th year and no playoffs?

agreed

really tho - mlse needs to either clean house or sell to an ownership group that actually cares about winning ...

uninnocent-

Yeah, I don't want to mortgage our future for Luongo. I think he still has something special in him and could rebound for a couple years, but he is no longer worth the term remaining on his contract. I know Gillis isn't going to give him away, but he can't demand what Luongo might've been worth in his prime.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Desperate people do desperate things...can't possibly see how Burke keeps his job if the Leafs miss out on the playoffs again...he's been there 5 years, a 6th year and no playoffs?

agreed

really tho - mlse needs to either clean house or sell to an ownership group that actually cares about winning ...

Does the teachers pension still own a part of the team? If they do that could be apart of the problem!

I wouldn't mind owning the leafs, always sold out, sell a ton merchandise and doesn't matter if you win or lose...it's a license to print money...kind of sad though, such a loyal fan base, and loyal fans deserve better.

lukin2006

uninnocent- wrote:

Yeah, I don't want to mortgage our future for Luongo. I think he still has something special in him and could rebound for a couple years, but he is no longer worth the term remaining on his contract. I know Gillis isn't going to give him away, but he can't demand what Luongo might've been worth in his prime.

He doesn't do well in pressure situations...don't see him doing well in Toronto...I can still see him being traded there though, just not for what Vancouver would like.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Does the teachers pension still own a part of the team? If they do that could be apart of the problem!

I wouldn't mind owning the leafs, always sold out, sell a ton merchandise and doesn't matter if you win or lose...it's a license to print money...kind of sad though, such a loyal fan base, and loyal fans deserve better.

teachers sold ... rogers and bell own the leafs now i think ...

it would be great if it was like the green bay packers ... fan owned i think ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Does the teachers pension still own a part of the team? If they do that could be apart of the problem!

I wouldn't mind owning the leafs, always sold out, sell a ton merchandise and doesn't matter if you win or lose...it's a license to print money...kind of sad though, such a loyal fan base, and loyal fans deserve better.

teachers sold ... rogers and bell own the leafs now i think ...

it would be great if it was like the green bay packers ... fan owned i think ...

1 obstacle out of the way...

Rogers and Bell...they love money as well...they'll never sell.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

1 obstacle out of the way...

Rogers and Bell...they love money as well...they'll never sell.

it's so brutal being a sports fan in toronto ... fucking every team except the rock are perpetually in a state of ineptitude ... i do like where each of the three main teams are at ... but it's absurd that toronto hasn't seen any post-season activity in like forever ... in any sport ... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

kenshunt

and the jays are going to trade manager John Farrell to the red sox, what a joke that is

lukin2006

kenshunt wrote:

and the jays are going to trade manager John Farrell to the red sox, what a joke that is

That is strange...very strange. I don't know if I've ever heard of that before.

uninnocent-

lukin2006 wrote:

kenshunt wrote:

and the jays are going to trade manager John Farrell to the red sox, what a joke that is

That is strange...very strange. I don't know if I've ever heard of that before.

It's not every day a manager/coach gets traded for players. Weird.

BLACK35

The Leafs have fired Burke :shock:

Dr. Delight

That's very surprising.... And the timing?

I wonder if they doubt his abilities with all of these new rule changes/s
alary restrictions.