WestMemphis3 Question

goldrush

CJMST3K wrote:

pandora wrote:

Johnny lives in Europe and had been with a European girl for 12 years, must have picked it up, it suits him

I thought he lived in France though, not England. ...is his girlfriend English?

You're right, he lives in France. His girlfiend is Vanessa Paradis, the French actress and singer

The Waiting Trophy Man

Me three. So far no one seems to know....

Paul David wrote:

I was wondering this too.

The Champ wrote:

Did any of the 3 West Memphis kids have an alibi?

pj.uw.laura

GL88154 wrote:

pj.uw.laura wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

The IQ to be considered mentally retarded is 75.

Actually, FYI... it's 69 and below. 70-79 is considered Borderline. 72 is close, though, so obviously a coerced confession is not farfetched.

What about the 3rd confession with his attorney present?

I think, especially with someone with a low IQ and someone who is younger, with a whirlwind of crap the justice system is throwing at you, not to mention cops who are pressured to give the community an answer as to who is guilty, forced confessions that are actually false are not a rarity at all. I have a whole slew of law enforcement/lawyers in my family, and unfortunately, people give false confessions fairly frequently, especially when abused- er, pressured- by police.

And earlier, someone commented that the lack of evidence pointing to these guys doesn't seem to be that substantive as an explanation of innocence. First, let's remember that we are all innocent until proven guilty- not the other way around. Second, there is additional evidence (not mentioned on Larry King) that points to Terry Hobbs, including hair found *in* the knot tied around one of the boys. The hair was IN the knot, as in, had to have come from when the knot was tied. Plus, neighbors have since come forth stating with certainty, that they heard Hobbs yelling at the children in the hours before the murders. So the lack of evidence pointing to the WM3 in combination with the evidence that Hobbs is the perpetrator seems pretty compelling to me.

That being said, for full disclosure, there is a lot of information that I don't have on the case and have not been following it extremely closely.

mrpink90

facepollution wrote:

mrpink90 wrote:

If he was joking im absolutely dumbfounded how he could joke about that.

Me and my mates joke about sick stuff all the time, call it sarcasm mixed with a dark sense of humour - doesn't make any of us bad people, usually it's just making light of a really fucked up incident.

What about all the sick jokes that go around after people die?

So if three 8 year old boys were brutally murdered in your hometown, would you go around joking that you did it? Come on, theres a difference between joking about that and making dead michael jackson jokes.

mrpink90

By the way, this is a fascianting read right here

http://www.wm3blackboard.com/forum/inde ... pic=2386.0


the "manhole" theory, basically saying 1 of the kids step dads (terry hobbs, who's hair was found on 1 of the shoelaces the kids were tied up with) killed them in a manhole the kids would play in, then later on in the night dumped the bodies in the woods where they were found. Most people think the kids were NOT murdered in the woods, it was just a dumping ground, which would explain the almost complete lack of physcial evidence where the kids were found.

bazzer

mrpink90 wrote:

facepollution wrote:

mrpink90 wrote:

If he was joking im absolutely dumbfounded how he could joke about that.

Me and my mates joke about sick stuff all the time, call it sarcasm mixed with a dark sense of humour - doesn't make any of us bad people, usually it's just making light of a really fucked up incident.

What about all the sick jokes that go around after people die?

So if three 8 year old boys were brutally murdered in your hometown, would you go around joking that you did it? Come on, theres a difference between joking about that and making dead michael jackson jokes.

Just because we wouldn't doesn't mean someone wouldn't. I could think of a bunch of "weird" people from my high school that would do something like that.

KO111

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

Me three. So far no one seems to know....

Paul David wrote:

I was wondering this too.

The Champ wrote:

Did any of the 3 West Memphis kids have an alibi?

http://paradiselost3.com/index.php?board=36.0

ajedigecko

i think if the amount of monies being spent, had been directed toward catching the killer(s).......this case would have been solved years ago.

all ed, john, and natalie need to do is offer up 3 million dollars and someone will begin to sing.

pj.uw.laura

ajedigecko wrote:

all ed, john, and natalie need to do is offer up 3 million dollars and someone will begin to sing.

I would bet my life that Ed has already donated extremely generously to this cause. The legal process is an extremely costly one, and the cost of retrying a case and paying a legal defense team over the course of 17 years is astronomical. I'm sure Ed and the rest of them have given a solid amount of money thus far.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

he alluded to helping out financially on LK.

pj.uw.laura wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

all ed, john, and natalie need to do is offer up 3 million dollars and someone will begin to sing.

I would bet my life that Ed has already donated extremely generously to this cause. The legal process is an extremely costly one, and the cost of retrying a case and paying a legal defense team over the course of 17 years is astronomical. I'm sure Ed and the rest of them have given a solid amount of money thus far.

pj.uw.laura

Paul David wrote:

he alluded to helping out financially on LK.

I don't know what that means. I suck at abbreviations.

The Waiting Trophy Man

pj.uw.laura wrote:

Paul David wrote:

he alluded to helping out financially on LK.

I don't know what that means. I suck at abbreviations.

LK = Larry King

cutz

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

For those of you who haven't read Misskelley's original confession, here it is. I don't know, it doesn't read to me like he's being coerced into a confession. It's pretty detailed. But it is in print. I might have a different perspective if I were to hear the tape. I don't know. Be warned though, it's pretty graphic stuff.

http://www.freewestmemphis3.org/index.p ... &Itemid=75

If the others did what Misskelley said they did: How the hell was ther NO DNA? I'm sure as hell no expert, but that has to be IMPOSSIBLE?

The Waiting Trophy Man

I'm not sure. That doesn't make sense to me either. Maybe because they were found submerged in water and the DNA washed off?

cutz wrote:

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

For those of you who haven't read Misskelley's original confession, here it is. I don't know, it doesn't read to me like he's being coerced into a confession. It's pretty detailed. But it is in print. I might have a different perspective if I were to hear the tape. I don't know. Be warned though, it's pretty graphic stuff.

http://www.freewestmemphis3.org/index.p ... &Itemid=75

If the others did what Misskelley said they did: How the hell was ther NO DNA? I'm sure as hell no expert, but that has to be IMPOSSIBLE?

fox_mulderX

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

I guess the OP doesn't know how the pigs...err.....police operate....there are plenty of innocent people who have gone to jail for shit they didn't do...not that they are the majority...but it's not as rare as you'd like to think it is.


shit, if they had speedy mccready in a room long enough, they could get HIM to confess to the murders too!!!


and i think his IQ is more than 75! zing zing zing!

i guess you don't know how the "pigs" operate, either. police arrest. judges/juries convict. the police designate a charge, and it's up to the judge to decide whether or not that person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. police can't put someone on death row.
but, yeah, it's so original and rebellious to hate on pigs.

pickupyourwill

cutz wrote:

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

For those of you who haven't read Misskelley's original confession, here it is. I don't know, it doesn't read to me like he's being coerced into a confession. It's pretty detailed. But it is in print. I might have a different perspective if I were to hear the tape. I don't know. Be warned though, it's pretty graphic stuff.

http://www.freewestmemphis3.org/index.p ... &Itemid=75

detailed confession is an understatement. Those poor 8yr old boys. Screwing, anal rape, forced blow jobs, unthinkable cutting. If this is what he was coerced into saying, how evil the people behind it must be. All I can think is those poor 8 yr old boys. what they must have gone through! if evidence had shown all this rape...those poor boys! If one of them had been my son I think I would kill the people involved, but first have the crime done to them. Those poor little boys.

I don't think I will ever let my son out of my sight again.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

a lot of the time the police act on pressure from the DA and from their own higher ups to arrest someone, anyone, to appease the public. it happens. it's not the norm, but it does happen.

fox_mulderX wrote:

i guess you don't know how the "pigs" operate, either. police arrest. judges/juries convict. the police designate a charge, and it's up to the judge to decide whether or not that person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. police can't put someone on death row.
but, yeah, it's so original and rebellious to hate on pigs.

pj.uw.laura

fox_mulderX wrote:

i guess you don't know how the "pigs" operate, either. police arrest. judges/juries convict. the police designate a charge, and it's up to the judge to decide whether or not that person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. police can't put someone on death row.
but, yeah, it's so original and rebellious to hate on pigs.

Police can (and unfortunately sometimes do) want to make their own lives easier by coercing someone, like an easy scapegoat who is already viewed as an outcast, to make a confession.

fox_mulderX

pj.uw.laura wrote:

fox_mulderX wrote:

i guess you don't know how the "pigs" operate, either. police arrest. judges/juries convict. the police designate a charge, and it's up to the judge to decide whether or not that person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. police can't put someone on death row.
but, yeah, it's so original and rebellious to hate on pigs.

Police can (and unfortunately sometimes do) want to make their own lives easier by coercing someone, like an easy scapegoat who is already viewed as an outcast, to make a confession.

yes, absolutely. i 100% agree with yours, and the guy above yours, statement. in this particular case, the police wanted to provide the public with a bad guy. not solving the murders of three children would be a black eye on the department. if three grown men were murdered, it would be a totally different story.
i just mean that the police aren't the ones who make the convictions and choose the sentencing.

pickupyourwill

fox_mulderX wrote:

pj.uw.laura wrote:

fox_mulderX wrote:

yes, absolutely. i 100% agree with yours, and the guy above yours, statement. in this particular case, the police wanted to provide the public with a bad guy. not solving the murders of three children would be a black eye on the department. if three grown men were murdered, it would be a totally different story.
i just mean that the police aren't the ones who make the convictions and choose the sentencing.

I understand the police's whole possible need to bring closure to the crime, but to coerce a half-retarded boy into fabricating such details--I really don't know. I know I need to learn more about the case.

"if three grown men were murdered, it would be a totally different story"...that's a real shame. that 3 8 yr old boys raped and brutally murdered aren't given a full investigation. that 3 8yr old boys aren't alive to voice what really happened. what a shame that it couldn't get worked out. that those 3 8yr old boys are just numbers to the Arkansas judicial system.