2 girls also testified that they heard echols admit to the killings at a softball game shortly after the murders, which echols recently admitted that he might have done and chalked it up to being a dumb teenager. Does that make any sense?
Also a kid jason baldwin spent time in jail with testified that baldwin told him he did the crime.
So all 3 supposedly admitted to the killings (well 1 obviously definitely did, misskelley), whether you believe those people that testifed against echols and baldwin is another story. But the jury obviously believed it.
2. DAMIEN ECHOLS' OVERHEARD CONFESSION Twelve-year-old Christy VanVickle testified that she heard Echols say he "killed the three boys." Fifteen-year-old Jackie Medford testified that she heard Echols say, "I killed the three little boys and before I turn myself in, I'm going to kill two more, and I already have one of them picked out." The testimony of these two independent witnesses was direct evidence of the statement by Echols. These witnesses were cross-examined by Echols's counsel, and it was the jury's province to weigh their credibility. Problems: CREDIBILITY, RELEVANCE One wonders what kind of scale the jury was using. The credibility -- even the relevance -- of the girls' accounts are vulnerable to attack on virtually every front. They allege to have overheard these remarks the first of several occasions Damien Echols attended games at the local softball field starting sometime in May. (22).
They only came to believe the man they saw was Damien Echols after seeing television news reports days about his arrest, at which point Jody Medford's mother contacted the authorities. Till then, the mother had not taken the girls' stories seriously enough to take this measure. Neither girl could account for why it was physically possible that they could hear Damien Echols make this statement, yet nothing else Damien may have said, nor anything being said by any of the people he was allegedly in conversation with.
Neither could they describe any of these persons' appearance. By the lack of context provided for their quote, its meaning is thrown into question. Even if the story was not something the girls invented to draw attention to themselves, even if their memory of the words was accurate after the month which had elapsed before reporting them, and even if the man who made them was indeed Damien Echols, this can be asked: Was it said in a serious manner, meant to be taken literally, or was it perhaps a sarcastic, facetious parody of what Damien knew other people were saying about him, made by him in the casual company of friends with whom he felt he could joke around? Given the outlandish nature of the remarks, this is ironically not a possibility which can be dismiss outright even if one were to presume that Damien is guilty.
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2 girls also testified that they heard echols admit to the killings at a softball game shortly after the murders, which echols recently admitted that he might have done and chalked it up to being a dumb teenager. Does that make any sense?
Also a kid jason baldwin spent time in jail with testified that baldwin told him he did the crime.
So all 3 supposedly admitted to the killings (well 1 obviously definitely did, misskelley), whether you believe those people that testifed against echols and baldwin is another story. But the jury obviously believed it.
10) JASON BALDWIN'S JAILHOUSE CONFESSION Jason Baldwin does not contend that there was insufficient evidence of his guilt. This is, perhaps, in part, because of the testimony of Michael Carson, who testified that he talked to Baldwin about the murders. Carson's testimony, in pertinent part, was abstracted as follows: I said, just between me and you, did you do it. I won't say a word. He said yes and he went into detail about it. It was just me and Jason [Baldwin]. He told me he dismembered the kids, or I don't know exactly how many kids. He just said he dismembered them. He sucked the blood from the penis and scrotum and put the balls in his mouth. Problems: CREDIBILITY, EVIDENCE WITHHELD Questions about Carson's credibility abound. The jury was not allowed to hear several important pieces of information which may have helped them better judge Carson's story. Carson was medically-diagnosed LSD addict. (32) This information was denied the jury because Judge Burnett ruled that substance abuse was not sufficient grounds to argue the probativeness of a witness's truthfulness. (33) Danny Williams, a juvenile detention counselor at a detention center Jason Baldwin was held after his arrest, admitted in communications to both the prosecution and the defense near the beginning of the trial that he had discussed this case with Michael Carson, who was an inmate at the center for a brief overlap with Jason Baldwin. In the counselor's opinion, Carson was about to perjure himself by testifying in court to the many crime rumors he himself told Williams, passing them off as though . They were a confession coming out of Baldwin's mouth. (34) Judge Burnett apparently chose not to let the jury hear his testimony because he felt it would violate Carson's right to patient-counselor confidentiality. (35) Although Carson was able to testify that he was not receiving any upcoming legal consideration in return for his testimony, he neglected to mention that shortly before the trial he had been granted parole. (36) It has never been proven Carson and Jason ever came in contact with each other while in the center.
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Shortly after Misskelley's original confession, police arrested Echols and his close friend Baldwin. Eight months after his original confession, on February 17, 1994, Misskelley made another statement to police with his lawyer Dan Stidham in the room continually advising Misskelley not to say anything. Misskelley ignored this advice continually and went on to detail how Damien and Jason abused and murdered the boys, while he watched until he decided to leave
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I guess the OP doesn't know how the pigs...err.....police operate....there are plenty of innocent people who have gone to jail for shit they didn't do...
... and many more who have been executed - based on coerced, or subsequently retracted, witness statements.
One of the countless reasons why the death penalty should be abolished.
...the only thing they mentioned was that they found no DNA of any of the WM3. That doesn't, to me anyway, prove their innocence, it just doesn't prove their guilt. Big difference. Am I wrong?
No, you're not wrong, but that surely amounts to cause for reasonable doubt, which at the very least, should be justification for a new trial.
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...the only thing they mentioned was that they found no DNA of any of the WM3. That doesn't, to me anyway, prove their innocence, it just doesn't prove their guilt. Big difference. Am I wrong?
No, you're not wrong, but that surely amounts to cause for reasonable doubt, which at the very least, should be justification for a new trial.
And that's really the whole issue. The bottom line is to convict you have to be 100% certain beyond a reasonable doubt. And there's no way anyone can hear all the evidence (including the new DNA evidence) in this case and come to a 100% conclusion that these three men committed the crime. There's just no way.
You are arguing like someone who hasn't reviewed the reasoning behind why so many people feel the wrong people were convicted.
Educate yourself please.
I GUARANTEE you, I have read more material on Damien Echols and The west Memphis, than you or 99% of the people on this board....
I'm in the 1 percent you haven't and I think a strong doubt exists and if we have doubt then a person shouldn't be executed. I would bet you wouldn't be willing to personally execute Echols because I will bet you have a little tiny doubt yourself hidden away you don't talk about at parties............how can someone not if they know as much as you claim to know...............so either your fibbing about your depth of knowledge about the case or your IQ is only a few points higher than Misskelley's. And I don't say that to be mean but no way any person with a normal functioning brain can not have some doubt about weather they did this crime based on all the evidence.
You are arguing like someone who hasn't reviewed the reasoning behind why so many people feel the wrong people were convicted.
Educate yourself please.
I GUARANTEE you, I have read more material on Damien Echols and The west Memphis, than you or 99% of the people on this board....
I'm in the 1 percent you haven't and I think a strong doubt exists and if we have doubt then a person shouldn't be executed. I would bet you wouldn't be willing to personally execute Echols because I will bet you have a little tiny doubt yourself............how can someone not if they know as much as you claim to know not have doubt in this case...............so either your fibbing about your depth of knowledge about the case or your IQ is only a few points higher than Misskelley's. And I don't say that to be mean but no way any person with a normal functioning brain can not have some doubt about weather they did this crime based on all the evidence.
Well I am glad you dont want to be mean about it.....hehehehehehehe
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...the only thing they mentioned was that they found no DNA of any of the WM3. That doesn't, to me anyway, prove their innocence, it just doesn't prove their guilt. Big difference. Am I wrong?
No, you're not wrong, but that surely amounts to cause for reasonable doubt, which at the very least, should be justification for a new trial.
And that's really the whole issue. The bottom line is to convict you have to be 100% certain beyond a reasonable doubt. And there's no way anyone can hear all the evidence (including the new DNA evidence) in this case and come to a 100% conclusion that these three men committed the crime. There's just no way.
Exactly.
And how can you justify something so 100% irreversible as execution if you can't be 100% certain you've got the right person?
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Jesus for the amount of debate this is causing now, you think more people would have gave more of a shit about the rally before it happened.
If anyone has questions or still wants to be involved please seek out one of the contact persons on http://www.wm3.org/. With this amount of interest and passion that is being demonstrated on this post who knows what could be accomplished with this type of energy/effort.
I just hope the buzz that this is causing doesn't die down again, this needs to stay present in the publics eye no matter what you believe or doubt.
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If I am being told that I can not believe the numerous confessions of Misskelley, because of his low IQ..
Am I also to believe that Damien Echols may be full of shit, because of his mental stability? Damien is the one who spent plenty of time in hospitals due to his serious mental instability. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill and eat his parents? Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill his girlfriends father. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill a police officer. Right? Damien Is the one who was put on permanent disability, before he was convicted of murder. Right?
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Shortly after Misskelley's original confession, police arrested Echols and his close friend Baldwin. Eight months after his original confession, on February 17, 1994, Misskelley made another statement to police with his lawyer Dan Stidham in the room continually advising Misskelley not to say anything. Misskelley ignored this advice continually and went on to detail how Damien and Jason abused and murdered the boys, while he watched until he decided to leave
do you have a link for this?
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Jesus for the amount of debate this is causing now, you think more people would have gave more of a shit about the rally before it happened.
If anyone has questions or still wants to be involved please seek out one of the contact persons on http://www.wm3.org/. With this amount of interest and passion that is being demonstrated on this post who knows what could be accomplished with this type of energy/effort.
I just hope the buzz that this is causing doesn't die down again, this needs to stay present in the publics eye no matter what you believe or doubt.
I believe awareness was the point of the rally. It looks to have been successful.
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If I am being told that I can not believe the numerous confessions of Misskelley, because of his low IQ..
Am I also to believe that Damien Echols may be full of shit, because of his mental stability? Damien is the one who spent plenty of time in hospitals due to his serious mental instability. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill and eat his parents? Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill his girlfriends father. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill a police officer. Right? Damien Is the one who was put on permanent disability, before he was convicted of murder. Right?
He was a kid. Albeit a fucked up kid. He has admitted to this and is sorry for his behavior, as many of us who are messed up growing up. Have you ever said something out of anger or confusion? Who didn't say horrible things about their parents as teenager?
If I am being told that I can not believe the numerous confessions of Misskelley, because of his low IQ..
Am I also to believe that Damien Echols may be full of shit, because of his mental stability? Damien is the one who spent plenty of time in hospitals due to his serious mental instability. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill and eat his parents? Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill his girlfriends father. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill a police officer. Right? Damien Is the one who was put on permanent disability, before he was convicted of murder. Right?
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If I am being told that I can not believe the numerous confessions of Misskelley, because of his low IQ..
Am I also to believe that Damien Echols may be full of shit, because of his mental stability? Damien is the one who spent plenty of time in hospitals due to his serious mental instability. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill and eat his parents? Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill his girlfriends father. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill a police officer. Right? Damien Is the one who was put on permanent disability, before he was convicted of murder. Right?
He was a kid. Albeit a fucked up kid. He has admitted to this and is sorry for his behavior, as many of us who are messed up growing up. Have you ever said something out of anger or confusion? Who didn't say horrible things about their parents as teenager?
NONE of this makes him a murderer.
You and I saying horrible things as a teenager....
Isnt going to lead us to being put on permanent disabilty due to our mental stability.
Damien Echols was a little more than just a troubled kid, before he became a convicted child murderer.
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and those situations are different. the low IQ is relevant because he was more likely to be manipulated by a police officer into saying things that weren't true, just to "do the right thing". He was probably easily confused and told things that never came to light.
I'm not saying this is what happened, but it's quite possible, hence the reasoning for a new trial at the very least.
If I am being told that I can not believe the numerous confessions of Misskelley, because of his low IQ..
Am I also to believe that Damien Echols may be full of shit, because of his mental stability? Damien is the one who spent plenty of time in hospitals due to his serious mental instability. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill and eat his parents? Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill his girlfriends father. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill a police officer. Right? Damien Is the one who was put on permanent disability, before he was convicted of murder. Right?
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It is shame to see 3 innocent guys wasting their lives in jail for a crime that they did not commit. There is too much evidence that shows that they were not involved. The police in Arkansas need to focus on arresting the REAL killer or killers.
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If I am being told that I can not believe the numerous confessions of Misskelley, because of his low IQ..
Am I also to believe that Damien Echols may be full of shit, because of his mental stability? Damien is the one who spent plenty of time in hospitals due to his serious mental instability. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill and eat his parents? Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill his girlfriends father. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill a police officer. Right? Damien Is the one who was put on permanent disability, before he was convicted of murder. Right?
He was a kid. Albeit a fucked up kid. He has admitted to this and is sorry for his behavior, as many of us who are messed up growing up. Have you ever said something out of anger or confusion? Who didn't say horrible things about their parents as teenager?
NONE of this makes him a murderer.
You and I saying horrible things as a teenager....
Isnt going to lead us to being put on permanent disabilty due to our mental stability.
Damien Echols was a little more than just a troubled kid, before he became a convicted child murderer.
Depends.... Did you grow up in West Memphis Arkansas? Do you not think that being different in a small southern town like that had a lot to do with his mental instability? He was convicted because he was an easy target and he fit the profile. Not for evidence, except for a sketchy confession from an idiot savant who was probably so scared that he would have said anything to save his own ass. So is every mentally unstable person in the world capable of murder?
I wonder what you're opinion of Terry Hobbs is? He has quite the checkered past and more of a motive than any of the WM3. His neighbors have come forward and said he's the last person to be seen with the boys while they were alive. He kept Stevie's knife from his mother. He lied about the time line of when he last saw the boys, and his DNA was found at the scene. Even his ex-wife thinks he's guilty.
For those of you who haven't read Misskelley's original confession, here it is. I don't know, it doesn't read to me like he's being coerced into a confession. It's pretty detailed. But it is in print. I might have a different perspective if I were to hear the tape. I don't know. Be warned though, it's pretty graphic stuff.
I watched the interview on larry King last night and learned more about the case and everything but I still have alot of questions. Does anybody think its odd that one of the convicted guys actually confessed to the murders and gave details but wants it retracted because he has a low IQ? They never brought that up last night when Larry was interviewing the lawyer. Also, has any celebrities supported the victims familys with money or a concert? I just think its kinda odd that Johnny Depp goes up on stage and reads Mr. Echols writings with a fake english accent (hes american , right? ) and everyone applauds him and thinks hes so great. It sounded like the guy was reading for a part. These three guys were not saints and I think its kinda odd that 17 years later all this new evidence has shown up. I do applaud Eddies efforts but after watching last night, I have more questions than answers. What do others think?
The guy your referring to that confessed, Jessie, has tested at such a low IQ that he's not all there mentally (sorry for the lack of a proper term there). Also, listen to his confession, to me it just sounds like shit you could make up off the top of your head. These men were just boys themselves when this happened, can you imagine being charged and questioned inside and out about this as such a young age? Like Eddie pointed out last night, not Jason or Jessie have since taken any offers they have received to turn on Damian in order to get out early, I think that speaks for itself. As far as Johnny goes, I must have missed the fake accent,lol. However, I was there and for whatever reason, he was very nervous, so I think that's why you get the feeling he was acting a part. I'm not sure that anything has been done in support of the victims, but look at it this way, I still feel the real killer is out there. So, if all of their efforts overturn these convictions than the case should be opened up again and hopefully the real killer will pay, giving those young boys and their families real justice. I live in the area where this took place and remember it all very clearly. It truly was a witch hunt out of fear. I do agree that Damian didn't do anything to help his image back in the day, but he was a teenager, look at how many of us acted as a teen. I don't think Damian was super weird, but he wasn't the quarterback and in this area if you march to the beat of your own drum...well. Just because he thought metal music and Stephen King was awesome doesn't mean he was actually capable of such a brutal act.
I lived in Memphis at the time of the murders, many years before most of you guys jumped on Ed's bandwagon.
What you never see now, that all the media showed then (1993) was Echols laughing at the TV cameras any chance he got, mocking people and generally making an asshole of himself. Basically if you saw this, all you could think is 'what a sick fuck this guy is." If you are innocent of a crime, I know I would be in tears, pleading my innocence to anyone who would listen. Not this guy, not until he gets sent to the big boy, butt raping prison does he change his tune. Now all of a sudden hes a misunderstood troubled kid. He loved the attention, wanting to be remembered as the next Charles Manson and "West Memphis Boogeyman".
I commend Ed for staying the course longer than anybody. I think if there is new evidence then why not grant a new trial. Obviously the cops bungled the evidence. If they can still convict them with the evidence they have , so be it. Just because Vedder says they are innocent, doesnt mean they are.
For those of you who haven't read Misskelley's original confession, here it is. I don't know, it doesn't read to me like he's being coerced into a confession. It's pretty detailed. But it is in print. I might have a different perspective if I were to hear the tape. I don't know. Be warned though, it's pretty graphic stuff.
I lived in Memphis at the time of the murders, many years before most of you guys jumped on Ed's bandwagon.
What you never see now, that all the media showed then (1993) was Echols laughing at the TV cameras any chance he got, mocking people and generally making an asshole of himself. Basically if you saw this, all you could think is 'what a sick fuck this guy is." If you are innocent of a crime, I know I would be in tears, pleading my innocence to anyone who would listen. Not this guy, not until he gets sent to the big boy, butt raping prison does he change his tune. Now all of a sudden hes a misunderstood troubled kid. He loved the attention, wanting to be remembered as the next Charles Manson and "West Memphis Boogeyman".
I commend Ed for staying the course longer than anybody. I think if there is new evidence then why not grant a new trial. Obviously the cops bungled the evidence. If they can still convict them with the evidence they have , so be it. Just because Vedder says they are innocent, doesnt mean they are.
That's what I pointed out, I live in the town where the trials took place. Damian did nothing to help his case, but you just have to look at where he was coming from. He was an ignorant teenager, who was from a poor family, who couldn't afford the best legal council. Damian did give everyone the creeps and I've been on the fence with this for years, but I just think there is to much evidence that points to someone else committing this crime, especially for an innocent person to be on death row and two others to spend their lives in prison. At the very least they deserve another trial and if they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt at a fair trial, than so be it.
2 girls also testified that they heard echols admit to the killings at a softball game shortly after the murders, which echols recently admitted that he might have done and chalked it up to being a dumb teenager. Does that make any sense?
Also a kid jason baldwin spent time in jail with testified that baldwin told him he did the crime.
So all 3 supposedly admitted to the killings (well 1 obviously definitely did, misskelley), whether you believe those people that testifed against echols and baldwin is another story. But the jury obviously believed it.
2. DAMIEN ECHOLS' OVERHEARD CONFESSION Twelve-year-old Christy VanVickle testified that she heard Echols say he "killed the three boys." Fifteen-year-old Jackie Medford testified that she heard Echols say, "I killed the three little boys and before I turn myself in, I'm going to kill two more, and I already have one of them picked out." The testimony of these two independent witnesses was direct evidence of the statement by Echols. These witnesses were cross-examined by Echols's counsel, and it was the jury's province to weigh their credibility. Problems: CREDIBILITY, RELEVANCE One wonders what kind of scale the jury was using. The credibility -- even the relevance -- of the girls' accounts are vulnerable to attack on virtually every front. They allege to have overheard these remarks the first of several occasions Damien Echols attended games at the local softball field starting sometime in May. (22).
They only came to believe the man they saw was Damien Echols after seeing television news reports days about his arrest, at which point Jody Medford's mother contacted the authorities. Till then, the mother had not taken the girls' stories seriously enough to take this measure. Neither girl could account for why it was physically possible that they could hear Damien Echols make this statement, yet nothing else Damien may have said, nor anything being said by any of the people he was allegedly in conversation with.
Neither could they describe any of these persons' appearance. By the lack of context provided for their quote, its meaning is thrown into question. Even if the story was not something the girls invented to draw attention to themselves, even if their memory of the words was accurate after the month which had elapsed before reporting them, and even if the man who made them was indeed Damien Echols, this can be asked: Was it said in a serious manner, meant to be taken literally, or was it perhaps a sarcastic, facetious parody of what Damien knew other people were saying about him, made by him in the casual company of friends with whom he felt he could joke around? Given the outlandish nature of the remarks, this is ironically not a possibility which can be dismiss outright even if one were to presume that Damien is guilty.
Echols basically ADMITTED to saying it
Two girls, Jodee Medford and Christy Van Vickle, testified they heard Echols admit at a softball game weeks after the murders that he killed the boys. Echols said their testimony was key for the prosecution.
“I might have said it, but it wasn’t because I did it,” he said. “I was a teen-ager. People were saying a lot of stuff about me. But I might have said it joking around.”
If he was joking im absolutely dumbfounded how he could joke about that.
If hes truly innocent he did himself no favors with the way he acted after the murders and during the trial, he did not come across as a sympathetic and remorseful person, not the way someone would act if they've been wrongly accused of murdering three 8 year old boys.
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2. DAMIEN ECHOLS' OVERHEARD CONFESSION Twelve-year-old Christy VanVickle testified that she heard Echols say he "killed the three boys." Fifteen-year-old Jackie Medford testified that she heard Echols say, "I killed the three little boys and before I turn myself in, I'm going to kill two more, and I already have one of them picked out." The testimony of these two independent witnesses was direct evidence of the statement by Echols. These witnesses were cross-examined by Echols's counsel, and it was the jury's province to weigh their credibility. Problems: CREDIBILITY, RELEVANCE One wonders what kind of scale the jury was using. The credibility -- even the relevance -- of the girls' accounts are vulnerable to attack on virtually every front. They allege to have overheard these remarks the first of several occasions Damien Echols attended games at the local softball field starting sometime in May. (22).
They only came to believe the man they saw was Damien Echols after seeing television news reports days about his arrest, at which point Jody Medford's mother contacted the authorities. Till then, the mother had not taken the girls' stories seriously enough to take this measure. Neither girl could account for why it was physically possible that they could hear Damien Echols make this statement, yet nothing else Damien may have said, nor anything being said by any of the people he was allegedly in conversation with.
Neither could they describe any of these persons' appearance. By the lack of context provided for their quote, its meaning is thrown into question. Even if the story was not something the girls invented to draw attention to themselves, even if their memory of the words was accurate after the month which had elapsed before reporting them, and even if the man who made them was indeed Damien Echols, this can be asked: Was it said in a serious manner, meant to be taken literally, or was it perhaps a sarcastic, facetious parody of what Damien knew other people were saying about him, made by him in the casual company of friends with whom he felt he could joke around? Given the outlandish nature of the remarks, this is ironically not a possibility which can be dismiss outright even if one were to presume that Damien is guilty.
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Oh I doubt that bud, but you seem to know everything so........maybe.
But I bet Ed, Johnny, Natalie, Patti etc. has read more than you.
Who do you trust?
10) JASON BALDWIN'S JAILHOUSE CONFESSION Jason Baldwin does not contend that there was insufficient evidence of his guilt. This is, perhaps, in part, because of the testimony of Michael Carson, who testified that he talked to Baldwin about the murders. Carson's testimony, in pertinent part, was abstracted as follows: I said, just between me and you, did you do it. I won't say a word. He said yes and he went into detail about it. It was just me and Jason [Baldwin]. He told me he dismembered the kids, or I don't know exactly how many kids. He just said he dismembered them. He sucked the blood from the penis and scrotum and put the balls in his mouth. Problems: CREDIBILITY, EVIDENCE WITHHELD Questions about Carson's credibility abound. The jury was not allowed to hear several important pieces of information which may have helped them better judge Carson's story. Carson was medically-diagnosed LSD addict. (32) This information was denied the jury because Judge Burnett ruled that substance abuse was not sufficient grounds to argue the probativeness of a witness's truthfulness. (33) Danny Williams, a juvenile detention counselor at a detention center Jason Baldwin was held after his arrest, admitted in communications to both the prosecution and the defense near the beginning of the trial that he had discussed this case with Michael Carson, who was an inmate at the center for a brief overlap with Jason Baldwin. In the counselor's opinion, Carson was about to perjure himself by testifying in court to the many crime rumors he himself told Williams, passing them off as though . They were a confession coming out of Baldwin's mouth. (34) Judge Burnett apparently chose not to let the jury hear his testimony because he felt it would violate Carson's right to patient-counselor confidentiality. (35) Although Carson was able to testify that he was not receiving any upcoming legal consideration in return for his testimony, he neglected to mention that shortly before the trial he had been granted parole. (36) It has never been proven Carson and Jason ever came in contact with each other while in the center.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
... and many more who have been executed - based on coerced, or subsequently retracted, witness statements.
One of the countless reasons why the death penalty should be abolished.
No, you're not wrong, but that surely amounts to cause for reasonable doubt, which at the very least, should be justification for a new trial.
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09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
And that's really the whole issue. The bottom line is to convict you have to be 100% certain beyond a reasonable doubt. And there's no way anyone can hear all the evidence (including the new DNA evidence) in this case and come to a 100% conclusion that these three men committed the crime. There's just no way.
I'm in the 1 percent you haven't and I think a strong doubt exists and if we have doubt then a person shouldn't be executed. I would bet you wouldn't be willing to personally execute Echols because I will bet you have a little tiny doubt yourself hidden away you don't talk about at parties............how can someone not if they know as much as you claim to know...............so either your fibbing about your depth of knowledge about the case or your IQ is only a few points higher than Misskelley's. And I don't say that to be mean but no way any person with a normal functioning brain can not have some doubt about weather they did this crime based on all the evidence.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Exactly.
And how can you justify something so 100% irreversible as execution if you can't be 100% certain you've got the right person?
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00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
If anyone has questions or still wants to be involved please seek out one of the contact persons on http://www.wm3.org/. With this amount of interest and passion that is being demonstrated on this post who knows what could be accomplished with this type of energy/effort.
I just hope the buzz that this is causing doesn't die down again, this needs to stay present in the publics eye no matter what you believe or doubt.
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2003 - West Palm Beach, St. Louis, Champaign, Bonner Springs, and East Troy
2004 - St. Louis, Asheville, and Kissimmee
2005 - Kitchener and London, Ontario
2006 - Chicago Night 1, Cincinnati, and St. Paul Night 1
2007 - Lollapalooza
2010 - St. Louis and Noblesville
2011 - East Troy PJ20 Night 1 and Night 2
2013 - Wrigley and Oklahoma City
2014 - St. Louis and Memphis
2016 - Lexington
2018 - Wrigley Night 1
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If I am being told that I can not believe the numerous confessions of Misskelley, because of his low IQ..
Am I also to believe that Damien Echols may be full of shit, because of his mental stability? Damien is the one who spent plenty of time in hospitals due to his serious mental instability. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill and eat his parents? Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill his girlfriends father. Right? Damien is the one who threatened to kill a police officer. Right? Damien Is the one who was put on permanent disability, before he was convicted of murder. Right?
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
do you have a link for this?
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
I believe awareness was the point of the rally. It looks to have been successful.
Zing!
He was a kid. Albeit a fucked up kid. He has admitted to this and is sorry for his behavior, as many of us who are messed up growing up. Have you ever said something out of anger or confusion? Who didn't say horrible things about their parents as teenager?
NONE of this makes him a murderer.
he was a teenager at the time. I was probably just as unstable as he was.
you don't think a new trial should be ordered?
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Isnt going to lead us to being put on permanent disabilty due to our mental stability.
Damien Echols was a little more than just a troubled kid, before he became a convicted child murderer.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I'm not saying this is what happened, but it's quite possible, hence the reasoning for a new trial at the very least.
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I wonder what you're opinion of Terry Hobbs is? He has quite the checkered past and more of a motive than any of the WM3. His neighbors have come forward and said he's the last person to be seen with the boys while they were alive. He kept Stevie's knife from his mother. He lied about the time line of when he last saw the boys, and his DNA was found at the scene. Even his ex-wife thinks he's guilty.
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Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
The guy your referring to that confessed, Jessie, has tested at such a low IQ that he's not all there mentally (sorry for the lack of a proper term there). Also, listen to his confession, to me it just sounds like shit you could make up off the top of your head. These men were just boys themselves when this happened, can you imagine being charged and questioned inside and out about this as such a young age? Like Eddie pointed out last night, not Jason or Jessie have since taken any offers they have received to turn on Damian in order to get out early, I think that speaks for itself. As far as Johnny goes, I must have missed the fake accent,lol. However, I was there and for whatever reason, he was very nervous, so I think that's why you get the feeling he was acting a part. I'm not sure that anything has been done in support of the victims, but look at it this way, I still feel the real killer is out there. So, if all of their efforts overturn these convictions than the case should be opened up again and hopefully the real killer will pay, giving those young boys and their families real justice. I live in the area where this took place and remember it all very clearly. It truly was a witch hunt out of fear. I do agree that Damian didn't do anything to help his image back in the day, but he was a teenager, look at how many of us acted as a teen. I don't think Damian was super weird, but he wasn't the quarterback and in this area if you march to the beat of your own drum...well. Just because he thought metal music and Stephen King was awesome doesn't mean he was actually capable of such a brutal act.
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I am at peace with my lust.....for Eddie.
What you never see now, that all the media showed then (1993) was Echols laughing at the TV cameras any chance he got, mocking people and generally making an asshole of himself. Basically if you saw this, all you could think is 'what a sick fuck this guy is." If you are innocent of a crime, I know I would be in tears, pleading my innocence to anyone who would listen. Not this guy, not until he gets sent to the big boy, butt raping prison does he change his tune. Now all of a sudden hes a misunderstood troubled kid. He loved the attention, wanting to be remembered as the next Charles Manson and "West Memphis Boogeyman".
I commend Ed for staying the course longer than anybody. I think if there is new evidence then why not grant a new trial. Obviously the cops bungled the evidence. If they can still convict them with the evidence they have , so be it. Just because Vedder says they are innocent, doesnt mean they are.
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That's what I pointed out, I live in the town where the trials took place. Damian did nothing to help his case, but you just have to look at where he was coming from. He was an ignorant teenager, who was from a poor family, who couldn't afford the best legal council. Damian did give everyone the creeps and I've been on the fence with this for years, but I just think there is to much evidence that points to someone else committing this crime, especially for an innocent person to be on death row and two others to spend their lives in prison. At the very least they deserve another trial and if they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt at a fair trial, than so be it.
fade away...
I am at peace with my lust.....for Eddie.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Echols basically ADMITTED to saying it
Two girls, Jodee Medford and Christy Van Vickle, testified they heard Echols admit at a softball game weeks after the murders that he killed the boys. Echols said their testimony was key for the prosecution.
“I might have said it, but it wasn’t because I did it,” he said. “I was a teen-ager. People were saying a lot of stuff about me. But I might have said it joking around.”
If he was joking im absolutely dumbfounded how he could joke about that.
If hes truly innocent he did himself no favors with the way he acted after the murders and during the trial, he did not come across as a sympathetic and remorseful person, not the way someone would act if they've been wrongly accused of murdering three 8 year old boys.