I'm guessing he was talking off the top of his head ( you know, because he doesn't use a teleprompter like some people
Okay, seriously, I have to know - what's with the obsession with teleprompters? How the hell did teleprompters become a symbol of everything that's wrong with America? Obama used a teleprompter - so what? Who the hell cares? Do you have any idea how many politicians use teleprompters?
You might want to go and take Ed's version of "Masters of War" from the Bob Dylan tribute concert off your iPod... he used a teleprompter. Then again, maybe that just means he hates America like Obama does.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
This guy needs to get a life. He walks around at events he doesn't agree with, interviews a bunch of people, cuts out all the people that doesn't actually serve his biased purpose, and then puts a video together that makes the whole rally look stupid. This guy does this over and over and over. Just another biased reporter that doesn't actually report the news but lets his own emotions get in the way. But I guess when it serves the liberal progressive agenda that doesn't bother you guys. Maybe he isn't the only one that should get a life. :roll:
Conservatives could post videos of Obama suporters like this all day long. But we're not that shallow and we recognize the fact that they do not represent everybody.
if "conservatives" are not shallow why did your republican representatives and senators vote against a bill that would give health care benefits for the first responders on 9/11 that are still sick? they use those people as propaganda tools and say how great of a job they did, yet they withhold health care funding for them. so they are used as pawns. pretty much the most shallow thing i have ever read.
and back to the topic, i think the guy is just exposing the people at the rally for what they are...uninformed and misinformed about everything he asked them about...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Conservatives could post videos of Obama suporters like this all day long. But we're not that shallow and we recognize the fact that they do not represent everybody.
Are you really saying that they haven't and that they won't? If I were to stroll onto youtube right now, are you saying I wouldn't find edited videos with stupid Obama supporters if I type the correct words into the search engine?
Point is, edited videos on youtube are astoundingly poor as sources for just about anything. Whether they be about politics or outrageous conspiracy theories. As for politics, all sides join in on the fun of misrepresenting the opposition.. Or rather, some on all sides...
Peace
Dan
Actually, i wasn't talking about youtube or whatever. I was talking about here....on the train.
I'm guessing he was talking off the top of his head ( you know, because he doesn't use a teleprompter like some people
Okay, seriously, I have to know - what's with the obsession with teleprompters? How the hell did teleprompters become a symbol of everything that's wrong with America? Obama used a teleprompter - so what? Who the hell cares? Do you have any idea how many politicians use teleprompters?
You might want to go and take Ed's version of "Masters of War" from the Bob Dylan tribute concert off your iPod... he used a teleprompter. Then again, maybe that just means he hates America like Obama does.
Not important, you're completely missing the point of the post.
This guy needs to get a life. He walks around at events he doesn't agree with, interviews a bunch of people, cuts out all the people that doesn't actually serve his biased purpose, and then puts a video together that makes the whole rally look stupid. This guy does this over and over and over. Just another biased reporter that doesn't actually report the news but lets his own emotions get in the way. But I guess when it serves the liberal progressive agenda that doesn't bother you guys. Maybe he isn't the only one that should get a life. :roll:
Conservatives could post videos of Obama suporters like this all day long. But we're not that shallow and we recognize the fact that they do not represent everybody.
if "conservatives" are not shallow why did your republican representatives and senators vote against a bill that would give health care benefits for the first responders on 9/11 that are still sick? they use those people as propaganda tools and say how great of a job they did, yet they withhold health care funding for them. so they are used as pawns. pretty much the most shallow thing i have ever read.
and back to the topic, i think the guy is just exposing the people at the rally for what they are...uninformed and misinformed about everything he asked them about...
Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
Whatever, go bask in the glory of this guys....um.....reporting. And yes, he is showing these people for what they are, but do you seriously believe that these are the only people he talked to. I'm sure some people there put this guy in his place, but of course he wouldn't show that. Proving my point, he is not a reporter, he is simply a person that does not agree with the restoring honor rally so he is trying to degrade the entire thing. This is what Lame Stream media does.....and you guys love it.
I'm guessing he was talking off the top of his head ( you know, because he doesn't use a teleprompter like some people
Okay, seriously, I have to know - what's with the obsession with teleprompters? How the hell did teleprompters become a symbol of everything that's wrong with America? Obama used a teleprompter - so what? Who the hell cares? Do you have any idea how many politicians use teleprompters?
You might want to go and take Ed's version of "Masters of War" from the Bob Dylan tribute concert off your iPod... he used a teleprompter. Then again, maybe that just means he hates America like Obama does.
Not important, you're completely missing the point of the post.
if "conservatives" are not shallow why did your republican representatives and senators vote against a bill that would give health care benefits for the first responders on 9/11 that are still sick? they use those people as propaganda tools and say how great of a job they did, yet they withhold health care funding for them. so they are used as pawns. pretty much the most shallow thing i have ever read.
and back to the topic, i think the guy is just exposing the people at the rally for what they are...uninformed and misinformed about everything he asked them about...
Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
Whatever, go bask in the glory of this guys....um.....reporting. And yes, he is showing these people for what they are, but do you seriously believe that these are the only people he talked to. I'm sure some people there put this guy in his place, but of course he wouldn't show that. Proving my point, he is not a reporter, he is simply a person that does not agree with the restoring honor rally so he is trying to degrade the entire thing. This is what Lame Stream media does.....and you guys love it.
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FACT Check:
"The legislation was sponsored by Representative Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) with 115 co-sponsors including Peter King (R-NY). The bill which seemed to be a bipartisan effort was not expected to fail. But of the 15 Republican co-sponsors, only 12 voted for their own bill."
"Republicans were angry because the Democrats brought the bill to the House floor under a procedure called a “suspension of the rules.” Usually this procedure is used for innocuous measures which have little or no opposition.
Democrats may have expected that this bill to fall into this category. Unfortunately, the downside of the procedure is that a bill brought under this procedure needs more than just a simple majority to pass. It needs a two-thirds majority. The final vote 255 – 159."
ref. http://www.examiner.com/health-care-in- ... ault-is-it
I find it kind of odd that you tend to roll your eyes when you are the one that's knee-high in the bullshit... and that you laugh at any other media, yet choose to receive all of your opinions from FOX News. Do you have any idea how that makes you appear?
I also love how devoted you are to the Republican Party... they just cannot do wrong in your eyes... can they? Why is that?
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Hail, Hail!!!
if "conservatives" are not shallow why did your republican representatives and senators vote against a bill that would give health care benefits for the first responders on 9/11 that are still sick? they use those people as propaganda tools and say how great of a job they did, yet they withhold health care funding for them. so they are used as pawns. pretty much the most shallow thing i have ever read.
and back to the topic, i think the guy is just exposing the people at the rally for what they are...uninformed and misinformed about everything he asked them about...
Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
Whatever, go bask in the glory of this guys....um.....reporting. And yes, he is showing these people for what they are, but do you seriously believe that these are the only people he talked to. I'm sure some people there put this guy in his place, but of course he wouldn't show that. Proving my point, he is not a reporter, he is simply a person that does not agree with the restoring honor rally so he is trying to degrade the entire thing. This is what Lame Stream media does.....and you guys love it.
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FACT Check:
"The legislation was sponsored by Representative Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) with 115 co-sponsors including Peter King (R-NY). The bill which seemed to be a bipartisan effort was not expected to fail. But of the 15 Republican co-sponsors, only 12 voted for their own bill."
"Republicans were angry because the Democrats brought the bill to the House floor under a procedure called a “suspension of the rules.” Usually this procedure is used for innocuous measures which have little or no opposition.
Democrats may have expected that this bill to fall into this category. Unfortunately, the downside of the procedure is that a bill brought under this procedure needs more than just a simple majority to pass. It needs a two-thirds majority. The final vote 255 – 159."
ref. http://www.examiner.com/health-care-in- ... ault-is-it
I find it kind of odd that you tend to roll your eyes when you are the one that's knee-high in the bullshit... and that you laugh at any other media, yet choose to receive all of your opinions from FOX News. Do you have any idea how that makes you appear?
I also love how devoted you are to the Republican Party... they just cannot do wrong in your eyes... can they? Why is that?
nope, that vote is not shallow at all... :roll:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
Whatever, go bask in the glory of this guys....um.....reporting. And yes, he is showing these people for what they are, but do you seriously believe that these are the only people he talked to. I'm sure some people there put this guy in his place, but of course he wouldn't show that. Proving my point, he is not a reporter, he is simply a person that does not agree with the restoring honor rally so he is trying to degrade the entire thing. This is what Lame Stream media does.....and you guys love it.
Please, SHOW ME THE PROVISION TO COVER ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Because if it is where I am thinking you are mentioning... you are saying that if a person who was clearing debris and looking to rescue survivors or recover dead bodies from Ground Zero... contracted a health condition... but, was here illegally... should NOT be covered?
According to you... Someone who responded to the World Trade Center attacks and contracted lung disease from inhaling that toxic mix... should not be covered... because they were here illegally? Where were you when this person was on the scrap heap? The fucking guy should be given a fucking medal for embracing the American spirit more than you ever will.
Or is it because there may be survivors who now have Health problems from breathing in that shit that were here illegally that you don't give a fuck about?
Because of that... you agree with your representatives to avoid covering ALL First Responders??? NYPD, FDNY... fuck them because of your hatred of Mexicans?
Your political partisanship is moronic at best... downright heartless at worst.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
The only point I was trying to make was the fact that people on the train ( which are mostly liberals) take these clips from these so called reporters that tries to make an entire event look stupid. If any conservative wanted to do the same with Obama voters...we could. This guy takes 10 to 20 people tops, and people on here judge the entire rally based on that. So maybe we should judge all Obama voters from clips like this.
Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
Whatever, go bask in the glory of this guys....um.....reporting. And yes, he is showing these people for what they are, but do you seriously believe that these are the only people he talked to. I'm sure some people there put this guy in his place, but of course he wouldn't show that. Proving my point, he is not a reporter, he is simply a person that does not agree with the restoring honor rally so he is trying to degrade the entire thing. This is what Lame Stream media does.....and you guys love it.
Please, SHOW ME THE PROVISION TO COVER ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Because if it is where I am thinking you are mentioning... you are saying that if a person who was clearing debris and looking to rescue survivors or recover dead bodies from Ground Zero... contracted a health condition... but, was here illegally... should NOT be covered?
According to you... Someone who responded to the World Trade Center attacks and contracted lung disease from inhaling that toxic mix... should not be covered... because they were here illegally? Where were you when this person was on the scrap heap? The fucking guy should be given a fucking medal for embracing the American spirit more than you ever will.
Or is it because there may be survivors who now have Health problems from breathing in that shit that were here illegally that you don't give a fuck about?
Because of that... you agree with your representatives to avoid covering ALL First Responders??? NYPD, FDNY... fuck them because of your hatred of Mexicans?
Your political partisanship is moronic at best... downright heartless at worst.
Where the fuck did I ever say that I agreed with it. You're all missing the point I was trying to make....or, you all just don't want to face it, yeah..i'll go with that.
This guy needs to get a life. He walks around at events he doesn't agree with, interviews a bunch of people, cuts out all the people that doesn't actually serve his biased purpose, and then puts a video together that makes the whole rally look stupid. This guy does this over and over and over. Just another biased reporter that doesn't actually report the news but lets his own emotions get in the way. But I guess when it serves the liberal progressive agenda that doesn't bother you guys. Maybe he isn't the only one that should get a life. :roll:
Conservatives could post videos of Obama suporters like this all day long. But we're not that shallow and we recognize the fact that they do not represent everybody.
I could almost agree with that IF I didn't see all the posts on this site regurgitating exactly what they are saying in the videos
I'm guessing he was talking off the top of his head ( you know, because he doesn't use a teleprompter like some people
Okay, seriously, I have to know - what's with the obsession with teleprompters? How the hell did teleprompters become a symbol of everything that's wrong with America? Obama used a teleprompter - so what? Who the hell cares? Do you have any idea how many politicians use teleprompters?
You might want to go and take Ed's version of "Masters of War" from the Bob Dylan tribute concert off your iPod... he used a teleprompter. Then again, maybe that just means he hates America like Obama does.
Not important, you're completely missing the point of the post.
I got the point of your post - I just had a question about one section of it. You're hardly the only person on the right who has commented about teleprompters, god knows Palin can't shut up about it and references the writing on her hand every chance she can get. I'm just curious as to why this is a big deal to some people - I don't get why people point to teleprompter usage as a reason why Obama is a bad president. Bush used a teleprompter, and I can't remember one single Democrat calling him an elitist snob for doing so... so why is this an issue now?
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
The only point I was trying to make was the fact that people on the train ( which are mostly liberals) take these clips from these so called reporters that tries to make an entire event look stupid. If any conservative wanted to do the same with Obama voters...we could. This guy takes 10 to 20 people tops, and people on here judge the entire rally based on that. So maybe we should judge all Obama voters from clips like this.
Where the fuck did I ever say that I agreed with it. You're all missing the point I was trying to make....or, you all just don't want to face it, yeah..i'll go with that.
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This is the comment I am taking issue with:
"Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll: "
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This paragarph drips with ignorance and political partisanship.
The bill required a 2/3s majority to pass... that is 290 Yes notes. You are an idiot if you think there are that many Democrats in the House.
And the provision to insure illegals... illegals who helped to clear Ground Zero... illegals who survived the attacks and have contracted health problems. Because of that one clause... NYPD and FDNY First responders fail to get Heatlh Care... and you blame the Democrats... who voted to PASS the Bill. Pure election politics of the dumbest kind.
And the ironic part... you roll your eyes... but, you are the one spreading the bullshit.
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Hail, Hail!!!
Where the fuck did I ever say that I agreed with it. You're all missing the point I was trying to make....or, you all just don't want to face it, yeah..i'll go with that.
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This is the comment I am taking issue with:
"Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
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This paragarph drips with ignorance and political partisanship.
The bill required a 2/3s majority to pass... that is 290 Yes notes. You are an idiot if you think there are that many Democrats in the House.
And the provision to insure illegals... illegals who helped to clear Ground Zero... illegals who survived the attacks and have contracted health problems. Because of that one clause... NYPD and FDNY First responders fail to get Heatlh Care... and you blame the Democrats... who voted to PASS the Bill. Pure election politics of the dumbest kind.
another home run for cosmo, couldn't have said it better myself. cosmo, are you juicing?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Where the fuck did I ever say that I agreed with it. You're all missing the point I was trying to make....or, you all just don't want to face it, yeah..i'll go with that.
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This is the comment I am taking issue with:
"Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
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This paragarph drips with ignorance and political partisanship.
The bill required a 2/3s majority to pass... that is 290 Yes notes. You are an idiot if you think there are that many Democrats in the House.
And the provision to insure illegals... illegals who helped to clear Ground Zero... illegals who survived the attacks and have contracted health problems. Because of that one clause... NYPD and FDNY First responders fail to get Heatlh Care... and you blame the Democrats... who voted to PASS the Bill. Pure election politics of the dumbest kind.
another home run for cosmo, couldn't have said it better myself. cosmo, are you juicing?
I often try to ignore posts that are full of insulting remarks because I have no desire to prove myself to anyone, but your insults in this post really shows your level of arrogance and the way you think you stand above people and can speak down to them. It's pretty clear the eye roll was towards the provisions part of the post. I believe there was a thread made specifically on the subject where I have stated my disgust for the republicans in this matter. Wither there was enough democratic votes or not it still speaks volumes for the republicans. But yes, I was under the understanding that the democrats had enough votes......oh well, the cat smoking the joint thinks i'm an idiot.
How does this drip with political partisanship?
But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
I often try to ignore posts that are full of insulting remarks because I have no desire to prove myself to anyone, but your insults in this post really shows your level of arrogance and the way you think you stand above people and can speak down to them. It's pretty clear the eye roll was towards the provisions part of the post. I believe there was a thread made specifically on the subject where I have stated my disgust for the republicans in this matter. Wither there was enough democratic votes or not it still speaks volumes for the republicans. But yes, I was under the understanding that the democrats had enough votes......oh well, the cat smoking the joint thinks i'm an idiot.
How does this drip with political partisanship?
But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
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But... the statement in question was not part of the original article... it was something you had stated as an example.
Had you done a minimum of fact checking... instead of simply taking what is said on FOX News or Talk Radio as the gospel truth... then, you would have found that this vote required a 2/3s majority to pass. A quick check of the profile of the House would have revealed that the Democrats do not hold a 2/3s majority, so there was no way the bill would have passed without some Republican support.
That is what drips of Political Partisanship... the fact that you lay sole blame on the party you perceive to be an enemy.
Also... 3 Republican Representatives (Burgess, Garrett and McCaul of a total of 15 Republicans) co-sponsored the bill... yet, VOTED AGAINST IT!!! How or why the Hell would they vote against a bill... that they sponsored? Again, political partisanship. So, YES, you are correct... it was pretty shallow of those Republicans to sponsor a bill and vote against it.
As for Illegal Immigrants go... they would have to submit a form and prove they were at Ground Zero shortly after the attack and have Health problems associated with it. So, even if a few of them that risk being discovered as Illegals were to get treatment... do you agree that NONE of the NYPD, FDNY and legal American Citizens who have health issues should not get treatment? How is that NOT political partisanship?
Finally... I apologise if you took my comments as insults. The fact is a person that believes that the House has 2/3s majority is either ignorant of the fact that they don't... or simply an idiot who believes what is said on television or radio. I'm sorry if you felt my comments singled you out. What you perceive as arrogance is merely pointing out facts to shine a light of truth on false statements. I want people to look for themselves and uncover the truth and make their own decisions... come up with their own opinions, instead of having their opinions dictated to them by some rich fuck on the T.V. The truth is... the truth is rarely found in political commentary.
I admit, I get a bit riled when misinformation is presented as fact... and in this specific case, that Police and Fire Fighter victims (as well fellow Human beings who help to search for and rescued victims, recovered bodies so loved ones could have closure and help to clear and dispose of the rubble) are denied the health care that have shown the world that they deserve... because politicians want to play political games with their well-being... television and radio fuck-faces want to make it into a political theater... and uninformed Americans base their political opinions on what is said by fuck-face pundits. Yeah... that kind of pisses me off.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I often try to ignore posts that are full of insulting remarks because I have no desire to prove myself to anyone, but your insults in this post really shows your level of arrogance and the way you think you stand above people and can speak down to them. It's pretty clear the eye roll was towards the provisions part of the post. I believe there was a thread made specifically on the subject where I have stated my disgust for the republicans in this matter. Wither there was enough democratic votes or not it still speaks volumes for the republicans. But yes, I was under the understanding that the democrats had enough votes......oh well, the cat smoking the joint thinks i'm an idiot.
How does this drip with political partisanship?
But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
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But... the statement in question was not part of the original article... it was something you had stated as an example.
Had you done a minimum of fact checking... instead of simply taking what is said on FOX News or Talk Radio as the gospel truth... then, you would have found that this vote required a 2/3s majority to pass. A quick check of the profile of the House would have revealed that the Democrats do not hold a 2/3s majority, so there was no way the bill would have passed without some Republican support.
That is what drips of Political Partisanship... the fact that you lay sole blame on the party you perceive to be an enemy.
Also... 3 Republican Representatives (Burgess, Garrett and McCaul of a total of 15 Republicans) co-sponsored the bill... yet, VOTED AGAINST IT!!! How or why the Hell would they vote against a bill... that they sponsored? Again, political partisanship. So, YES, you are correct... it was pretty shallow of those Republicans to sponsor a bill and vote against it.
As for Illegal Immigrants go... they would have to submit a form and prove they were at Ground Zero shortly after the attack and have Health problems associated with it. So, even if a few of them that risk being discovered as Illegals were to get treatment... do you agree that NONE of the NYPD, FDNY and legal American Citizens who have health issues should not get treatment? How is that NOT political partisanship?
Finally... I apologise if you took my comments as insults. The fact is a person that believes that the House has 2/3s majority is either ignorant of the fact that they don't... or simply an idiot who believes what is said on television or radio. I'm sorry if you felt my comments singled you out. What you perceive as arrogance is merely pointing out facts to shine a light of truth on false statements. I want people to look for themselves and uncover the truth and make their own decisions... come up with their own opinions, instead of having their opinions dictated to them by some rich fuck on the T.V. The truth is... the truth is rarely found in political commentary.
I admit, I get a bit riled when misinformation is presented as fact... and in this specific case, that Police and Fire Fighter victims (as well fellow Human beings who help to search for and rescued victims, recovered bodies so loved ones could have closure and help to clear and dispose of the rubble) are denied the health care that have shown the world that they deserve... because politicians want to play political games with their well-being... television and radio fuck-faces want to make it into a political theater... and uninformed Americans base their political opinions on what is said by fuck-face pundits. Yeah... that kind of pisses me off.
I understand that it had to have 2/3 vote cosmo, what I do not understand is why????
You blame people for partisan bullshit while you deny the fact that both parties played a roll in the results. :?
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Okay. If you are going to come out gunning for me, I suggest that you come armed with the facts. The first fact is you rarely find facts on a morning show broadcast over the cable stations. You get a lot of opinions and conjecture... which makes for great television.. in a Jerry Springer kind of way... but, rarely facts.
I provided you with the facts... here is the source: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h847/actions_votes
Note: This is the actual roll call from the House floor, not from cable television.
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Now, you ask WHY was this called? Because who in their right mind would vote against providing first responders the health care that they have proved they earned? Even IF... and that is a big IF... some illegal immigrants were to get health care for the affects they had incurred while conducting search and rescue operations and clearing of rubble... IF they were to recieve aid... WHY would anyone vote to quash the bill and leave the first responders hung out to dry because of that?
And this is a procedure that the House uses to pass bills in a timely manner. Example: In 2005, the $718 billion bill to support combat operations in Iraq passed because who in their right mind would have denied the troops fighting in Iraq the resources they needed... even if it was ladened with pet projects and favors to Haliburton and Blackwater? The same procedure was invoked to pass that bill. The bill had Republican sponsors who typically, lobby their peers to convince them to vote to pass the bill. That is how laws and public policy is conducted. It was tauted as a 'Bi-Partisan Bill' by both sides.
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Also... I never said anything about the Democrats or the Republicans. YOU were the one that placed all of the blame on one party over the other... not me. You can search through the past messages to find where I said is was all the Republican's fault... but, I warn you, you will be wasting your time because it does not exist because I never said it. YOU were the one playing the partisan politics... defending the Republicans, not me.
I was simply debunking your false claims and never defended the Democrats or blamed the Republicans. I pointed out the fact that 3 of the bill's Republican sponsors voted against it. The ones who sat and worked on the bill... voted against it! Explain THAT to me.
And YES... I do blame THOSE 3 Specific Representatives for their actions. That is not being partisan... that is calling those 3 specific congressmen assholes.
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Finally... the fact remains... the Democrats DO NOT hold a 2/3s majority in the house. That is indisputable. So, your statement: "Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals."
was false, at best and clearly has a partisan stench attached to it. THAT was the basis of my arguement... that you don't have a clue on what you are talking about. YOU are partisan, not me.
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There. Are you happy, now?
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Okay, seriously, I have to know - what's with the obsession with teleprompters? How the hell did teleprompters become a symbol of everything that's wrong with America? Obama used a teleprompter - so what? Who the hell cares? Do you have any idea how many politicians use teleprompters?
You might want to go and take Ed's version of "Masters of War" from the Bob Dylan tribute concert off your iPod... he used a teleprompter. Then again, maybe that just means he hates America like Obama does.
and back to the topic, i think the guy is just exposing the people at the rally for what they are...uninformed and misinformed about everything he asked them about...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Actually, i wasn't talking about youtube or whatever. I was talking about here....on the train.
Not important, you're completely missing the point of the post.
Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
Whatever, go bask in the glory of this guys....um.....reporting. And yes, he is showing these people for what they are, but do you seriously believe that these are the only people he talked to. I'm sure some people there put this guy in his place, but of course he wouldn't show that. Proving my point, he is not a reporter, he is simply a person that does not agree with the restoring honor rally so he is trying to degrade the entire thing. This is what Lame Stream media does.....and you guys love it.
Then what was the point of this statement?
FACT Check:
"The legislation was sponsored by Representative Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) with 115 co-sponsors including Peter King (R-NY). The bill which seemed to be a bipartisan effort was not expected to fail. But of the 15 Republican co-sponsors, only 12 voted for their own bill."
"Republicans were angry because the Democrats brought the bill to the House floor under a procedure called a “suspension of the rules.” Usually this procedure is used for innocuous measures which have little or no opposition.
Democrats may have expected that this bill to fall into this category. Unfortunately, the downside of the procedure is that a bill brought under this procedure needs more than just a simple majority to pass. It needs a two-thirds majority. The final vote 255 – 159."
ref. http://www.examiner.com/health-care-in- ... ault-is-it
I find it kind of odd that you tend to roll your eyes when you are the one that's knee-high in the bullshit... and that you laugh at any other media, yet choose to receive all of your opinions from FOX News. Do you have any idea how that makes you appear?
I also love how devoted you are to the Republican Party... they just cannot do wrong in your eyes... can they? Why is that?
Hail, Hail!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Going through this more thoroughly uncovers the depths of your ignorance.
Here is the House Bill...
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex ... l=h111-847
Please, SHOW ME THE PROVISION TO COVER ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Because if it is where I am thinking you are mentioning... you are saying that if a person who was clearing debris and looking to rescue survivors or recover dead bodies from Ground Zero... contracted a health condition... but, was here illegally... should NOT be covered?
According to you... Someone who responded to the World Trade Center attacks and contracted lung disease from inhaling that toxic mix... should not be covered... because they were here illegally? Where were you when this person was on the scrap heap? The fucking guy should be given a fucking medal for embracing the American spirit more than you ever will.
Or is it because there may be survivors who now have Health problems from breathing in that shit that were here illegally that you don't give a fuck about?
Because of that... you agree with your representatives to avoid covering ALL First Responders??? NYPD, FDNY... fuck them because of your hatred of Mexicans?
Your political partisanship is moronic at best... downright heartless at worst.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8
Or we could use these people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyvqhdll ... re=related
IDIOTS!!!
Where the fuck did I ever say that I agreed with it. You're all missing the point I was trying to make....or, you all just don't want to face it, yeah..i'll go with that.
You mean this point?
Hmm.....
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I don't think people are missing the point you're trying to make; I think they're just hearing the other things you're saying too.
I could almost agree with that IF I didn't see all the posts on this site regurgitating exactly what they are saying in the videos
woman- "politicians should not get wealthy simply because they are politicians."
interviewer- "do you think sarah palin has gotten wealthy by being a politician?"
woman- "no...well maybe she has gained a little.."
i stopped watching at this point because i am embarrassed for these people... :oops: :oops:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I got the point of your post - I just had a question about one section of it. You're hardly the only person on the right who has commented about teleprompters, god knows Palin can't shut up about it and references the writing on her hand every chance she can get. I'm just curious as to why this is a big deal to some people - I don't get why people point to teleprompter usage as a reason why Obama is a bad president. Bush used a teleprompter, and I can't remember one single Democrat calling him an elitist snob for doing so... so why is this an issue now?
BOTH these idiots and the Beck rally idiots should both be pointed out and challenged. They are one in the same.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
This is the comment I am taking issue with:
"Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll: "
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This paragarph drips with ignorance and political partisanship.
The bill required a 2/3s majority to pass... that is 290 Yes notes. You are an idiot if you think there are that many Democrats in the House.
And the provision to insure illegals... illegals who helped to clear Ground Zero... illegals who survived the attacks and have contracted health problems. Because of that one clause... NYPD and FDNY First responders fail to get Heatlh Care... and you blame the Democrats... who voted to PASS the Bill. Pure election politics of the dumbest kind.
And the ironic part... you roll your eyes... but, you are the one spreading the bullshit.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I often try to ignore posts that are full of insulting remarks because I have no desire to prove myself to anyone, but your insults in this post really shows your level of arrogance and the way you think you stand above people and can speak down to them. It's pretty clear the eye roll was towards the provisions part of the post. I believe there was a thread made specifically on the subject where I have stated my disgust for the republicans in this matter. Wither there was enough democratic votes or not it still speaks volumes for the republicans. But yes, I was under the understanding that the democrats had enough votes......oh well, the cat smoking the joint thinks i'm an idiot.
How does this drip with political partisanship?
But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But... the statement in question was not part of the original article... it was something you had stated as an example.
Had you done a minimum of fact checking... instead of simply taking what is said on FOX News or Talk Radio as the gospel truth... then, you would have found that this vote required a 2/3s majority to pass. A quick check of the profile of the House would have revealed that the Democrats do not hold a 2/3s majority, so there was no way the bill would have passed without some Republican support.
That is what drips of Political Partisanship... the fact that you lay sole blame on the party you perceive to be an enemy.
Also... 3 Republican Representatives (Burgess, Garrett and McCaul of a total of 15 Republicans) co-sponsored the bill... yet, VOTED AGAINST IT!!! How or why the Hell would they vote against a bill... that they sponsored? Again, political partisanship. So, YES, you are correct... it was pretty shallow of those Republicans to sponsor a bill and vote against it.
As for Illegal Immigrants go... they would have to submit a form and prove they were at Ground Zero shortly after the attack and have Health problems associated with it. So, even if a few of them that risk being discovered as Illegals were to get treatment... do you agree that NONE of the NYPD, FDNY and legal American Citizens who have health issues should not get treatment? How is that NOT political partisanship?
Finally... I apologise if you took my comments as insults. The fact is a person that believes that the House has 2/3s majority is either ignorant of the fact that they don't... or simply an idiot who believes what is said on television or radio. I'm sorry if you felt my comments singled you out. What you perceive as arrogance is merely pointing out facts to shine a light of truth on false statements. I want people to look for themselves and uncover the truth and make their own decisions... come up with their own opinions, instead of having their opinions dictated to them by some rich fuck on the T.V. The truth is... the truth is rarely found in political commentary.
I admit, I get a bit riled when misinformation is presented as fact... and in this specific case, that Police and Fire Fighter victims (as well fellow Human beings who help to search for and rescued victims, recovered bodies so loved ones could have closure and help to clear and dispose of the rubble) are denied the health care that have shown the world that they deserve... because politicians want to play political games with their well-being... television and radio fuck-faces want to make it into a political theater... and uninformed Americans base their political opinions on what is said by fuck-face pundits. Yeah... that kind of pisses me off.
Hail, Hail!!!
I understand that it had to have 2/3 vote cosmo, what I do not understand is why????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyb7_Byli7U
This one is the follow up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ML3cGq5 ... re=related
You blame people for partisan bullshit while you deny the fact that both parties played a roll in the results. :?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You're missing the point. Did you even watch the first video?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You still juicing?
I love putting a post to rest.
Okay. If you are going to come out gunning for me, I suggest that you come armed with the facts. The first fact is you rarely find facts on a morning show broadcast over the cable stations. You get a lot of opinions and conjecture... which makes for great television.. in a Jerry Springer kind of way... but, rarely facts.
I provided you with the facts... here is the source:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h847/actions_votes
Note: This is the actual roll call from the House floor, not from cable television.
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Now, you ask WHY was this called? Because who in their right mind would vote against providing first responders the health care that they have proved they earned? Even IF... and that is a big IF... some illegal immigrants were to get health care for the affects they had incurred while conducting search and rescue operations and clearing of rubble... IF they were to recieve aid... WHY would anyone vote to quash the bill and leave the first responders hung out to dry because of that?
And this is a procedure that the House uses to pass bills in a timely manner. Example: In 2005, the $718 billion bill to support combat operations in Iraq passed because who in their right mind would have denied the troops fighting in Iraq the resources they needed... even if it was ladened with pet projects and favors to Haliburton and Blackwater? The same procedure was invoked to pass that bill. The bill had Republican sponsors who typically, lobby their peers to convince them to vote to pass the bill. That is how laws and public policy is conducted. It was tauted as a 'Bi-Partisan Bill' by both sides.
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Also... I never said anything about the Democrats or the Republicans. YOU were the one that placed all of the blame on one party over the other... not me. You can search through the past messages to find where I said is was all the Republican's fault... but, I warn you, you will be wasting your time because it does not exist because I never said it. YOU were the one playing the partisan politics... defending the Republicans, not me.
I was simply debunking your false claims and never defended the Democrats or blamed the Republicans. I pointed out the fact that 3 of the bill's Republican sponsors voted against it. The ones who sat and worked on the bill... voted against it! Explain THAT to me.
And YES... I do blame THOSE 3 Specific Representatives for their actions. That is not being partisan... that is calling those 3 specific congressmen assholes.
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Finally... the fact remains... the Democrats DO NOT hold a 2/3s majority in the house. That is indisputable. So, your statement:
"Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals."
was false, at best and clearly has a partisan stench attached to it. THAT was the basis of my arguement... that you don't have a clue on what you are talking about. YOU are partisan, not me.
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There. Are you happy, now?
Hail, Hail!!!