Beck to rally on anniversary of King's 'Dream' speech

FiveB247x

Not always, just when the occasion calls for it. I never discount anyone's right to their opinion, but will discredit the information. You seem to take that as the same I suppose?

And for the record I don't care how many attended, but don't you find it a bit odd of such a massive difference? I mean reports vary between 87 - 500k? A bit odd no matter which you believe.

I also do find it funny that you say you're fed up from hearing from people, yet 95% of the threads you write in, you comment and never reply to follow up with people's comments or questions about further explanation and clarification. I guess being vague and broad brings this thread full circle with Glenn Beck huh?

prfctlefts wrote:

Doyou always act like a dick or just when you don't agree with someone ? The fact is there were way more people there than 87,000 but I could care less what you are gjimmie or any one else on this board think. As far as how many people were there. As The geese go I thought it was cool and so did everyone else that attended.and no I'm not going to respond to your other post because I've already answered questions like yours in other threads. I'm done with this subject because all people do on here are go around in circles and end up pissing each other off. Frankly I'm done with this board and this fan club.

whygohome

Beck is an entertainer laughing all the way to the bank. He couldn't care less about the country, all eh cares about is the almighty dollar.

FiveB247x

This is exactly why Rupert Murdoch is the devil. Not because of his views or the fact that I disagree with them, but rather he just does it for the money.. big difference. He's selling a product and always pushing the envelope for the reward, not his belief. It also doesn't help that the product he pushes misinforms society and dumbs people down.

whygohome wrote:

Beck is an entertainer laughing all the way to the bank. He couldn't care less about the country, all eh cares about is the almighty dollar.

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

No it's not a fake. For one the weather on obamas inaguration was freezing cold that day and his followers did the same thing in Chicago the night he won the election. But since you seem to know everything you can believe whatever the hell you want. It may not have been the exact same location,but it was the same proximity and I don't care if there were more people there are not there's no excuse for trashing the place. Pack your damn trash.

where is the WWII memorial in that second part of the video? anyone who has been there will tell you that you can see it from over 1/2 mile away. it is clearly not there in that second part of the video. and yes, since i have been to the mall before, i will believe what my own eyes and experiences tell me, thank you...

aerial

OnTheEdge wrote:

Commy wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

This guy always does a great job!! Hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg

hilarious if not so sad

Almost as hilarious and sad as Obama voters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCXot2HQ ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqB0t4jR ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgfA2b9YSag

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

did anyone see the crowd estimates?
the dc police estimated at 80,000 via aerial photography
sarah palin said "at least 100,000"
beck said 500,000 from the stage that day
and crazy ass michelle bachmann said "1.6 million"

please go back to sleep ms bachmann...

this is probably more accurate than becks estimate.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... 03544.html

:roll:
Try any where from 300,000 to 500,000
I would post a link to prove this but I'm on an iPad and I'm still learning how to use it.
Also regardless of what you might think about Beck and the rally itself anyone with any faith in a creator or a higher power would have to agree that this is more than just a coincidence.
Before the rally beck and his associates tried and tried to get a fly over for the opening ceremony but couldn't make it happen because of national security, so at like 9:59 just as the music started playing a flock of gees flew directly over the reflecting pool in a v formation towards the Lincoln memorial.
But I'm sure some of you will say they planed like that.
If anyone could post a link to this I would appreciate it

anywhere from 300,000 to 500,000? so which is it? there is quite a large difference between the two. i am sure anyone with an iq of 75 would be able to look at a pic of a rally with 300,000 and 500,000 and notice that nearly 1/3 of the crowd is missing between the pics. 200,000, that is a large number to be off in an estimate. no support for bachmann's 1.6 million? that is like saying there were a billion gazillion people there...

also, a flock of geese flew over my head walking across the parking lot into work the other day. is that a sign from god as well?

MotoDC

You see wildly varying estimates at most large, outdoor, unticketed events like this. An estimate range of 300-500k actually strikes me as quite small. However, the difference between 1.6M and 300k I would think would be pretty obvious. Hard to fathom what 1.6M people in one place even looks like.

I'm surprised to see an official quote from the DC Police about crowd size -- does anyone have a link supporting that? I remember reading a while back that the Park Service had stopped providing estimates altogether due to some fallout after the Million Man March.

gimmesometruth27

MotoDC wrote:

You see wildly varying estimates at most large, outdoor, unticketed events like this. An estimate range of 300-500k actually strikes me as quite small. However, the difference between 1.6M and 300k I would think would be pretty obvious. Hard to fathom what 1.6M people in one place even looks like.

I'm surprised to see an official quote from the DC Police about crowd size -- does anyone have a link supporting that? I remember reading a while back that the Park Service had stopped providing estimates altogether due to some fallout after the Million Man March.

it was reported on cbs national news last night. i heard the story as i was walking to the kitchen and i thought the parks service or dc police gave that estimate, but i might have misheard who gave that estimate... but it was probably that company in the cbs story link that TriumphantAngel posted a few posts ago...my bad..sorry for the confusion everyone.. :oops: :oops:

cajunkiwi

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

You see wildly varying estimates at most large, outdoor, unticketed events like this. An estimate range of 300-500k actually strikes me as quite small. However, the difference between 1.6M and 300k I would think would be pretty obvious. Hard to fathom what 1.6M people in one place even looks like.

I'm surprised to see an official quote from the DC Police about crowd size -- does anyone have a link supporting that? I remember reading a while back that the Park Service had stopped providing estimates altogether due to some fallout after the Million Man March.

it was reported on cbs national news last night. i heard the story as i was walking to the kitchen and i thought the parks service or dc police gave that estimate, but i might have misheard who gave that estimate... but it was probably that company in the cbs story link that TriumphantAngel posted a few posts ago...my bad..sorry for the confusion everyone.. :oops: :oops:

I think I'll be more inclined to take the word of people who estimate crowd sizes professionally over the word of the people organizing and supporting the event.

http://stevedoig.com/

"After the 2008 presidential election, I.... used a satellite image taken over the National Mall on January 20, 2009, to estimate the crowd there at about 800,000... Because of the wild pre-inauguration predictions of how many would attend in person — up to 5 million! — my reality-based estimate was ignored by many left-wing commentators and embraced by those on the right.... I am amused to see that those who embraced my Obama inauguration estimate as soberly realistic are now attacking the Beck rally estimate, produced using exactly the same methods, as deliberately biased."

gimmesometruth27

cajunkiwi wrote:

I think I'll be more inclined to take the word of people who estimate crowd sizes professionally over the word of the people organizing and supporting the event.

me too.... hopefully everyone would.

haffajappa

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

also, a flock of geese flew over my head walking across the parking lot into work the other day. is that a sign from god as well?

no its just Canada invading...

OnTheEdge

haffajappa wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

also, a flock of geese flew over my head walking across the parking lot into work the other day. is that a sign from god as well?

no its just Canada invading...

Maybe, did they shit on you as they passed over?

gimmesometruth27

OnTheEdge wrote:

Maybe, did they shit on you as they passed over?

no, if they did i would have immediately played the lottery. my next and final post ever would have been

"I"M RICH, BITCH!!"

lol...

Cosmo

So... instead of making such a big deal about how many people were there...
What was said?
I heard about the getting back to God thing... but, what else? What is 'The Plan' that was hyped up? Or is that the big plan... get back to God?
If so... How? What are those 87,000 to 1,600,000 million people going to do?
What is the big plan?

gimmesometruth27

Cosmo wrote:

So... instead of making such a big deal about how many people were there...
What was said?
I heard about the getting back to God thing... but, what else? What is 'The Plan' that was hyped up? Or is that the big plan... get back to God?
If so... How? What are those 87,000 to 1,600,000 million people going to do?
What is the big plan?

apparently a geese flyover was part of the plan or something...

i looked kind of halfheartedly for transcripts of the speeches, but if i found them i would have had to read them all, and frankly i do not care enough about what beck and palin have to say....i can't stand them on tv, so i can not bring myself to waste time reading their words....

Cosmo

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

apparently a geese flyover was part of the plan or something...

i looked kind of halfheartedly for transcripts of the speeches, but if i found them i would have had to read them all, and frankly i do not care enough about what beck and palin have to say....i can't stand them on tv, so i can not bring myself to waste time reading their words....

...
I did a search for the speech transcript and could not find them... you would think that Glenn Beck's own website would have a copy... nope. Or an international news agency, such as FOX News... nope.
I just want to read the full text of his plan for America and try to see how it plans to Restore Honor in America. I want to try to look at it objectively, instead of hearing the pros and cons of web bloggers, pundits or ANALysts.
Maybe the Beck Fans know... What did they get out of his speech?
(Other than 'Getting back to God', 'Support The Troops', 'U!S!A! - U!S!A! - U!S!A!', yadda-yadda-yadda...)

norm

Cosmo wrote:

So... instead of making such a big deal about how many people were there...
What was said?
I heard about the getting back to God thing... but, what else? What is 'The Plan' that was hyped up? Or is that the big plan... get back to God?
If so... How? What are those 87,000 to 1,600,000 million people going to do?
What is the big plan?

stern played some clips and it sounded like a AA meeting...sounds like beck has co-opted the big book for his personal gain :roll:

gimmesometruth27

beck told a whopper for dramatic effect in his speech at the rally...interesting read here....he is a damn liar...

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/08 ... ring-honor

Glenn Beck's George Washington Whopper
The Fox host says he held the inaugural address of the famously truthful founding father. Yeah right, says the National Archives.

Wed Sep. 1, 2010 3:00 AM PDT
During his much-ballyhooed "Restoring Honor" rally on Saturday, Glenn Beck told a whopper involving the founding father who was supposedly unable to tell a lie: George Washington.

Speechifying at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial, the controversial Fox News host highlighted the legacy of the nation's first president to drive home his claim that encouraging honesty and integrity was a main aim of the event. Beck even told attendees that "the next George Washington" was "in this crowd. He may be 8 years old, but this is the moment. This is the moment that he dedicates his life, that he sees giants around him. And 25 years from now, he will come not to this stair, but to those stairs. And he can proclaim, 'I have a new dream.'"

Beck also invoked Washington while describing the inspiring experience of visiting famous tourist destinations around the nation's capital. "I have been going to Mt. Vernon," he explained. Holding out his hands for emphasis, he declared with emotion, "I went to the National Archives, and I held the first inaugural address written in his own hand by George Washington."

It was an eyebrow-raising revelation and certainly an original image: Beck cradling the actual words of the first president. But would the persnickety gatekeepers of the nation's historical legacy at the National Archives allow some talk show bombthrower to put his mitts on a rare (and fragile) artifact? The answer, it turns out, is no way. Beck was not telling the truth.

Beck did receive a special VIP tour of the archives, arranged by an as-yet unidentified member of Congress. During that tour, he did get a peek inside the "legislative vault," which isn't open to ordinary visitors. But Archives spokeswoman Susan Cooper insists that Beck didn't lay a finger on any precious documents, much less George Washington’s inaugural address. That would be a major violation of policy. "Those kinds of treasures are only handled by specially trained archival staff," she explains. Cooper acknowledges that someone at the archives did show the document to Beck, but that was the extent of it. Regarding Beck's claim that he held the document, Cooper says that seeing such documents for the first time can be a very emotional experience. "I'm certain it was a figure of speech," she says.

Cooper is being charitable. Beck's whopper gave his speech more heft and rhetorical flourish. It was high patriotic drama. But his fib stands in stark contrast to the point of the rally, which was all about restoring the principles of courage and honor that the nation was founded upon. In fact, one of Beck’s only prescriptions for fixing the country was to "tell the truth."

Moreover, Beck has a history of chiding others for lying and stretching the truth to bolster his own incendiary rhetoric. In April, for instance, the Rev. Jim Wallis wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post criticizing Beck for suggesting that the term "social justice" was "code" for communism and for encouraging his radio show listeners to flee churches that promote social justice. Beck retorted by quoting the Bible to Wallis: "Thou shalt not lie." Groups like Media Matters soon found clips from Beck's show where he said precisely what Wallis had claimed he did.

Yet getting caught in lies hasn't ever stopped Beck from holding himself up as someone with the honesty of, well, George Washington. He even has his own version of a cherry-tree-chopping tale, which he recounted during a February show in a segment dedicated to the "Lies Politicians Tell."

He told viewers:

When I was a kid, growing up you could get away with just about anything in my house except for lying. You did not want to lie in my house. I'll never forget the day my sister decided to play hooky. My dad worked in the bakery all day, so we never saw him in the light of day. My other sister and I were a little surprised when my dad picked us up and the sun was still out. He said, "Where's your sister? Be careful what you say. Remember, we tell the truth in this family."

He made us both sit in the backseat. At this point, we knew bad things were about to go down. When we finally found my other sister, dad pulled up next to her: "So, how was school?" He kept asking and asking, letting her dig the hole deeper. I think I got only like three spankings in my life. My sisters never got any—until that day. The belt made an appearance.

Just imagine what Papa Beck would have done if she said she had skipped school to hold the Declaration of Independence.

Pepe Silvia

sorry if it's already been posted but here's some interviews with people at the rally....man, what nuts and misinformed people!

no one owns george washington as an occasion


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg

cajunkiwi

haffajappa wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

also, a flock of geese flew over my head walking across the parking lot into work the other day. is that a sign from god as well?

no its just Canada invading...

I hope the geese brought their papers, or else they'll be asked to go home again.