Beck to rally on anniversary of King's 'Dream' speech

OnTheEdge

scb wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Glenn Beck Admits Lying: 'I Thought It Would Be A Little Easier' (VIDEO)

After being called on a white lie he told during his Restoring Honor rally, Glenn Beck admitted Thursday that he stretched the truth because he "thought it would be a little easier."

Beck had claimed that he held George Washington's handwritten first Inaugural Address in his hands at the National Archives, but a spokeswoman at the institution said he did no such thing. Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz and others called him out for the fabrication.

Thursday on his radio show, Beck copped to the lie.

"I thought it would be a little easier in the speech," Beck said, than to go into the following elaborate explanation..
"Yesterday I went to the National Archives, and they opened up the vault, and they put on their gloves and then they put it on a tray. They wheeled it over and it's all in this hard plastic and you're sitting down at a table and you can't, because of Sandy Berger, I had a long conversation with him about this, you can't actually touch any of the documents, these are very very rare. So what they do, they have it in this plastic thing and they hold them right in front of you, you can't touch them but then you can say 'can you turn it over,' and then they turn it over for you and then you look at it. I thought it was a little clumsy to explain it that way."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/0 ... 04958.html

So Glenn Beck flat out lied in his big speech?? And do some of you people (not you, gimme) around here still defend him?? How?? :?

I still support Beck. Although I am a little upset that he stretched this truth. Would have been just as easy for him to say he viewed it instead of he heald it. I'm guessing he was talking off the top of his head ( you know, because he doesn't use a teleprompter like some people ) and in that split moment in time he made the wrong decision and decided to stretch the truth. I'm sure we have all done it at one time or another. Not anything like Olbermann lying about the University he went to for years. But still, it was an honor rally and he shouldn't have done anything to neglect that title. Kiinda minimizes the value of the event.

gimmesometruth27

OnTheEdge wrote:

scb wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Glenn Beck Admits Lying: 'I Thought It Would Be A Little Easier' (VIDEO)

After being called on a white lie he told during his Restoring Honor rally, Glenn Beck admitted Thursday that he stretched the truth because he "thought it would be a little easier."

Beck had claimed that he held George Washington's handwritten first Inaugural Address in his hands at the National Archives, but a spokeswoman at the institution said he did no such thing. Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz and others called him out for the fabrication.

Thursday on his radio show, Beck copped to the lie.

"I thought it would be a little easier in the speech," Beck said, than to go into the following elaborate explanation..
"Yesterday I went to the National Archives, and they opened up the vault, and they put on their gloves and then they put it on a tray. They wheeled it over and it's all in this hard plastic and you're sitting down at a table and you can't, because of Sandy Berger, I had a long conversation with him about this, you can't actually touch any of the documents, these are very very rare. So what they do, they have it in this plastic thing and they hold them right in front of you, you can't touch them but then you can say 'can you turn it over,' and then they turn it over for you and then you look at it. I thought it was a little clumsy to explain it that way."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/0 ... 04958.html

So Glenn Beck flat out lied in his big speech?? And do some of you people (not you, gimme) around here still defend him?? How?? :?

I still support Beck. Although I am a little upset that he stretched this truth. Would have been just as easy for him to say he viewed it instead of he heald it. I'm guessing he was talking off the top of his head ( you know, because he doesn't use a teleprompter like some people ) and in that split moment in time he made the wrong decision and decided to stretch the truth. I'm sure we have all done it at one time or another. Not anything like Olbermann lying about the University he went to for years. But still, it was an honor rally and he shouldn't have done anything to neglect that title. Kiinda minimizes the value of the event.

did you watch the video clip on that link? it was completely premeditated and he tried to explain why he flat out lied...it is telling that you view it as stretching the truth when holding it and turning it over and looking at it are two different things, holding it implies he got special treatment to handle this historic document, which he didn't, and someone from the national archives busted him in his lie...if this minimizes the value of the event to you, imagine how people like me feel that he minimized the value of what king did that day by holding the rally there on that day in the first place...

Boxes&Books

Glenn Beck and the Yearning for Fascism
By Matthew Rothschild, September 4, 2010


Glenn Beck’s got me worried again about fascism in America.

His so-called restoring honor rally last weekend assumed that somehow America has been dishonored, and that is a classic trope of fascists.

Nor was I comforted by all talk from Beck about “America today begins to turn back to God.”

Nor was I comforted by the full-throated and repeated chants of “USA, USA.”

Nor by Sarah Palin having the gall to claim “we feel the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King,” this just 10 days after she told Dr. Laura to “reload,” after the talk show host said the N word 11 times in five minutes.


As if the rally wasn’t enough, Beck continued on his crusade during the week. Check this comment out: Beck said, “There are a lot of universities that are as dangerous with the indoctrination of the children as terrorists are in Iran or North Korea.”

The irony is that Ahmadinejad has actually denounced the universities in Iran with similar disdain. One year into his first term, he asked scornfully “why liberal and secular university lecturers are present in the universities." He and Beck see eye to eye on that one.

Beck made a fool of himself also when he said, later in the week, that a flock of geese that appeared in the sky “was God’s flyover,” taking the place of an Air Force flyover he was not able to arrange. All of Beck’s references to “divine providence” and doing the work of God reminded me of a quote from W. S. Merwin, our new poet laureate, who once wrote: “The president of lies quotes the voices of God.”

I’ve been taking seriously the warnings of Noam Chomsky http://www.progressive.org/rothschild0610.html, who says he senses “the dark clouds of fascism” gathering here at home. I also take seriously the writings of Chris Hedges, the former New York Times reporter and author of several great books, including “War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning.” A couple years ago, Hedges wrote another book called “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America.”

And back in March, Hedges elaborated on the theme: “The language of violence always presages violence. When someone like Palin posts a map with cross hairs on the districts of Democrats, when she says “Don’t Retreat, Instead—RELOAD!” there are desperate people cleaning their weapons who listen. When Christian fascists stand in the pulpits of megachurches and denounce Barack Obama as the Antichrist, there are messianic believers who listen. . . .These movements are not yet full-blown fascist movements. They do not openly call for the extermination of ethnic or religious groups. They do not openly advocate violence. But, as I was told by Fritz Stern, a scholar of fascism who has written about the origins of Nazism, ‘In Germany there was a yearning for fascism before fascism was invented.’ It is the yearning that we now see, and it is dangerous. If we do not immediately reincorporate the unemployed and the poor back into the economy, giving them jobs and relief from crippling debt, then the nascent racism and violence that are leaping up around the edges of American society will become a full-blown conflagration. Left unchecked, the hatred for radical Islam will transform itself into a hatred for Muslims. The hatred for undocumented workers will become a hatred for Mexicans and Central Americans. The hatred for those not defined by this largely white movement as American patriots will become a hatred for African-Americans. The hatred for liberals will morph into a hatred for all democratic institutions, from universities to government agencies to the press.”

Hedges was prescient here, anticipating the anti-immigrant wave and the anti-Muslim wave—and even Beck’s swipe at the universities.

Hedges also talked about the urgent need to give people jobs lest more people succumb to the lure of fascism.

Another intellectual I greatly admire, Walden Bello, just echoed Hedges’s warning about the economic crisis feeding into fascism. In his article “Can You Say, Fascism? The Political Consequences of Stagnation,” Bellow writes: “The common failure of both market fundamentalists and technocratic Keynesians so far to address the fears of the unemployed, the about-to-be unemployed, and the vast numbers of economically insecure people will most likely produce social forces that would tackle their fears and problems head-on. A failure of the left to innovatively fill this space will inevitably spawn a reinvigorated right with fewer apprehensions about state intervention, one that could combine technocratic Keynesian initiatives with a populist but reactionary social and cultural program. There is a term for such a regime: fascist. . . . Fascism in the United States? It's not as far-fetched as you might think.”

Consider yourself forewarned.

http://progressive.org/wx090410.html

gimmesometruth27

tonifig8 wrote:

Glenn Beck and the Yearning for Fascism
By Matthew Rothschild, September 4, 2010


Glenn Beck’s got me worried again about fascism in America.

His so-called restoring honor rally last weekend assumed that somehow America has been dishonored, and that is a classic trope of fascists.

Nor was I comforted by all talk from Beck about “America today begins to turn back to God.”

Nor was I comforted by the full-throated and repeated chants of “USA, USA.”

Nor by Sarah Palin having the gall to claim “we feel the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King,” this just 10 days after she told Dr. Laura to “reload,” after the talk show host said the N word 11 times in five minutes.


As if the rally wasn’t enough, Beck continued on his crusade during the week. Check this comment out: Beck said, “There are a lot of universities that are as dangerous with the indoctrination of the children as terrorists are in Iran or North Korea.”

The irony is that Ahmadinejad has actually denounced the universities in Iran with similar disdain. One year into his first term, he asked scornfully “why liberal and secular university lecturers are present in the universities." He and Beck see eye to eye on that one.

Beck made a fool of himself also when he said, later in the week, that a flock of geese that appeared in the sky “was God’s flyover,” taking the place of an Air Force flyover he was not able to arrange. All of Beck’s references to “divine providence” and doing the work of God reminded me of a quote from W. S. Merwin, our new poet laureate, who once wrote: “The president of lies quotes the voices of God.”

I’ve been taking seriously the warnings of Noam Chomsky http://www.progressive.org/rothschild0610.html, who says he senses “the dark clouds of fascism” gathering here at home. I also take seriously the writings of Chris Hedges, the former New York Times reporter and author of several great books, including “War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning.” A couple years ago, Hedges wrote another book called “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America.”

And back in March, Hedges elaborated on the theme: “The language of violence always presages violence. When someone like Palin posts a map with cross hairs on the districts of Democrats, when she says “Don’t Retreat, Instead—RELOAD!” there are desperate people cleaning their weapons who listen. When Christian fascists stand in the pulpits of megachurches and denounce Barack Obama as the Antichrist, there are messianic believers who listen. . . .These movements are not yet full-blown fascist movements. They do not openly call for the extermination of ethnic or religious groups. They do not openly advocate violence. But, as I was told by Fritz Stern, a scholar of fascism who has written about the origins of Nazism, ‘In Germany there was a yearning for fascism before fascism was invented.’ It is the yearning that we now see, and it is dangerous. If we do not immediately reincorporate the unemployed and the poor back into the economy, giving them jobs and relief from crippling debt, then the nascent racism and violence that are leaping up around the edges of American society will become a full-blown conflagration. Left unchecked, the hatred for radical Islam will transform itself into a hatred for Muslims. The hatred for undocumented workers will become a hatred for Mexicans and Central Americans. The hatred for those not defined by this largely white movement as American patriots will become a hatred for African-Americans. The hatred for liberals will morph into a hatred for all democratic institutions, from universities to government agencies to the press.”

Hedges was prescient here, anticipating the anti-immigrant wave and the anti-Muslim wave—and even Beck’s swipe at the universities.

Hedges also talked about the urgent need to give people jobs lest more people succumb to the lure of fascism.

Another intellectual I greatly admire, Walden Bello, just echoed Hedges’s warning about the economic crisis feeding into fascism. In his article “Can You Say, Fascism? The Political Consequences of Stagnation,” Bellow writes: “The common failure of both market fundamentalists and technocratic Keynesians so far to address the fears of the unemployed, the about-to-be unemployed, and the vast numbers of economically insecure people will most likely produce social forces that would tackle their fears and problems head-on. A failure of the left to innovatively fill this space will inevitably spawn a reinvigorated right with fewer apprehensions about state intervention, one that could combine technocratic Keynesian initiatives with a populist but reactionary social and cultural program. There is a term for such a regime: fascist. . . . Fascism in the United States? It's not as far-fetched as you might think.”

Consider yourself forewarned.

http://progressive.org/wx090410.html

the part in red is spot on...i see this happening today, does anyone else see it happening?

arq

The USA is a young nation, I do believe it could happen :( all that empty rhetoric, all that talking about the "let's return to god" crap, rampant fundamentalism, and a few of ignorant people wanting to believe it, the perfect mix for disaster.

gimmesometruth27

arq wrote:

The USA is a young nation, I do believe it could happen :( all that empty rhetoric, all that talking about the "let's return to god" crap, rampant fundamentalism, and a few of ignorant people wanting to believe it, the perfect mix for disaster.

this will only happen if those of us that oppose it disengage and allow it happen. i am not disengaging anytime soon...

Boxes&Books

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Glenn Beck and the Yearning for Fascism
By Matthew Rothschild, September 4, 2010


Glenn Beck’s got me worried again about fascism in America.

His so-called restoring honor rally last weekend assumed that somehow America has been dishonored, and that is a classic trope of fascists.

Nor was I comforted by all talk from Beck about “America today begins to turn back to God.”

Nor was I comforted by the full-throated and repeated chants of “USA, USA.”

Nor by Sarah Palin having the gall to claim “we feel the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King,” this just 10 days after she told Dr. Laura to “reload,” after the talk show host said the N word 11 times in five minutes.


As if the rally wasn’t enough, Beck continued on his crusade during the week. Check this comment out: Beck said, “There are a lot of universities that are as dangerous with the indoctrination of the children as terrorists are in Iran or North Korea.”

The irony is that Ahmadinejad has actually denounced the universities in Iran with similar disdain. One year into his first term, he asked scornfully “why liberal and secular university lecturers are present in the universities." He and Beck see eye to eye on that one.

Beck made a fool of himself also when he said, later in the week, that a flock of geese that appeared in the sky “was God’s flyover,” taking the place of an Air Force flyover he was not able to arrange. All of Beck’s references to “divine providence” and doing the work of God reminded me of a quote from W. S. Merwin, our new poet laureate, who once wrote: “The president of lies quotes the voices of God.”

I’ve been taking seriously the warnings of Noam Chomsky http://www.progressive.org/rothschild0610.html, who says he senses “the dark clouds of fascism” gathering here at home. I also take seriously the writings of Chris Hedges, the former New York Times reporter and author of several great books, including “War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning.” A couple years ago, Hedges wrote another book called “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America.”

And back in March, Hedges elaborated on the theme: “The language of violence always presages violence. When someone like Palin posts a map with cross hairs on the districts of Democrats, when she says “Don’t Retreat, Instead—RELOAD!” there are desperate people cleaning their weapons who listen. When Christian fascists stand in the pulpits of megachurches and denounce Barack Obama as the Antichrist, there are messianic believers who listen. . . .These movements are not yet full-blown fascist movements. They do not openly call for the extermination of ethnic or religious groups. They do not openly advocate violence. But, as I was told by Fritz Stern, a scholar of fascism who has written about the origins of Nazism, ‘In Germany there was a yearning for fascism before fascism was invented.’ It is the yearning that we now see, and it is dangerous. If we do not immediately reincorporate the unemployed and the poor back into the economy, giving them jobs and relief from crippling debt, then the nascent racism and violence that are leaping up around the edges of American society will become a full-blown conflagration. Left unchecked, the hatred for radical Islam will transform itself into a hatred for Muslims. The hatred for undocumented workers will become a hatred for Mexicans and Central Americans. The hatred for those not defined by this largely white movement as American patriots will become a hatred for African-Americans. The hatred for liberals will morph into a hatred for all democratic institutions, from universities to government agencies to the press.”

Hedges was prescient here, anticipating the anti-immigrant wave and the anti-Muslim wave—and even Beck’s swipe at the universities.

Hedges also talked about the urgent need to give people jobs lest more people succumb to the lure of fascism.

Another intellectual I greatly admire, Walden Bello, just echoed Hedges’s warning about the economic crisis feeding into fascism. In his article “Can You Say, Fascism? The Political Consequences of Stagnation,” Bellow writes: “The common failure of both market fundamentalists and technocratic Keynesians so far to address the fears of the unemployed, the about-to-be unemployed, and the vast numbers of economically insecure people will most likely produce social forces that would tackle their fears and problems head-on. A failure of the left to innovatively fill this space will inevitably spawn a reinvigorated right with fewer apprehensions about state intervention, one that could combine technocratic Keynesian initiatives with a populist but reactionary social and cultural program. There is a term for such a regime: fascist. . . . Fascism in the United States? It's not as far-fetched as you might think.”

Consider yourself forewarned.

http://progressive.org/wx090410.html

the part in red is spot on...i see this happening today, does anyone else see it happening?

I do too - Know your enemies ......

Smellyman

Take 2 on the the great people at the Beck Rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFerRGB7nYM

OnTheEdge

Smellyman wrote:

Take 2 on the the great people at the Beck Rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFerRGB7nYM

This guy needs to get a life. He walks around at events he doesn't agree with, interviews a bunch of people, cuts out all the people that doesn't actually serve his biased purpose, and then puts a video together that makes the whole rally look stupid. This guy does this over and over and over. Just another biased reporter that doesn't actually report the news but lets his own emotions get in the way. But I guess when it serves the liberal progressive agenda that doesn't bother you guys. Maybe he isn't the only one that should get a life. :roll:


Conservatives could post videos of Obama suporters like this all day long. But we're not that shallow and we recognize the fact that they do not represent everybody.

OutOfBreath

OnTheEdge wrote:

Conservatives could post videos of Obama suporters like this all day long. But we're not that shallow and we recognize the fact that they do not represent everybody.

Are you really saying that they haven't and that they won't? If I were to stroll onto youtube right now, are you saying I wouldn't find edited videos with stupid Obama supporters if I type the correct words into the search engine?

Point is, edited videos on youtube are astoundingly poor as sources for just about anything. Whether they be about politics or outrageous conspiracy theories. As for politics, all sides join in on the fun of misrepresenting the opposition.. Or rather, some on all sides...

Peace
Dan

cajunkiwi

OnTheEdge wrote:

I'm guessing he was talking off the top of his head ( you know, because he doesn't use a teleprompter like some people

Okay, seriously, I have to know - what's with the obsession with teleprompters? How the hell did teleprompters become a symbol of everything that's wrong with America? Obama used a teleprompter - so what? Who the hell cares? Do you have any idea how many politicians use teleprompters?

You might want to go and take Ed's version of "Masters of War" from the Bob Dylan tribute concert off your iPod... he used a teleprompter. Then again, maybe that just means he hates America like Obama does.

gimmesometruth27

OnTheEdge wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

Take 2 on the the great people at the Beck Rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFerRGB7nYM

This guy needs to get a life. He walks around at events he doesn't agree with, interviews a bunch of people, cuts out all the people that doesn't actually serve his biased purpose, and then puts a video together that makes the whole rally look stupid. This guy does this over and over and over. Just another biased reporter that doesn't actually report the news but lets his own emotions get in the way. But I guess when it serves the liberal progressive agenda that doesn't bother you guys. Maybe he isn't the only one that should get a life. :roll:


Conservatives could post videos of Obama suporters like this all day long. But we're not that shallow and we recognize the fact that they do not represent everybody.

if "conservatives" are not shallow why did your republican representatives and senators vote against a bill that would give health care benefits for the first responders on 9/11 that are still sick? they use those people as propaganda tools and say how great of a job they did, yet they withhold health care funding for them. so they are used as pawns. pretty much the most shallow thing i have ever read.

and back to the topic, i think the guy is just exposing the people at the rally for what they are...uninformed and misinformed about everything he asked them about...

OnTheEdge

OutOfBreath wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

Conservatives could post videos of Obama suporters like this all day long. But we're not that shallow and we recognize the fact that they do not represent everybody.

Are you really saying that they haven't and that they won't? If I were to stroll onto youtube right now, are you saying I wouldn't find edited videos with stupid Obama supporters if I type the correct words into the search engine?

Point is, edited videos on youtube are astoundingly poor as sources for just about anything. Whether they be about politics or outrageous conspiracy theories. As for politics, all sides join in on the fun of misrepresenting the opposition.. Or rather, some on all sides...

Peace
Dan

Actually, i wasn't talking about youtube or whatever. I was talking about here....on the train.

OnTheEdge

cajunkiwi wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

I'm guessing he was talking off the top of his head ( you know, because he doesn't use a teleprompter like some people

Okay, seriously, I have to know - what's with the obsession with teleprompters? How the hell did teleprompters become a symbol of everything that's wrong with America? Obama used a teleprompter - so what? Who the hell cares? Do you have any idea how many politicians use teleprompters?

You might want to go and take Ed's version of "Masters of War" from the Bob Dylan tribute concert off your iPod... he used a teleprompter. Then again, maybe that just means he hates America like Obama does.

Not important, you're completely missing the point of the post.

OnTheEdge

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

Take 2 on the the great people at the Beck Rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFerRGB7nYM

This guy needs to get a life. He walks around at events he doesn't agree with, interviews a bunch of people, cuts out all the people that doesn't actually serve his biased purpose, and then puts a video together that makes the whole rally look stupid. This guy does this over and over and over. Just another biased reporter that doesn't actually report the news but lets his own emotions get in the way. But I guess when it serves the liberal progressive agenda that doesn't bother you guys. Maybe he isn't the only one that should get a life. :roll:


Conservatives could post videos of Obama suporters like this all day long. But we're not that shallow and we recognize the fact that they do not represent everybody.

if "conservatives" are not shallow why did your republican representatives and senators vote against a bill that would give health care benefits for the first responders on 9/11 that are still sick? they use those people as propaganda tools and say how great of a job they did, yet they withhold health care funding for them. so they are used as pawns. pretty much the most shallow thing i have ever read.

and back to the topic, i think the guy is just exposing the people at the rally for what they are...uninformed and misinformed about everything he asked them about...

Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:


Whatever, go bask in the glory of this guys....um.....reporting. And yes, he is showing these people for what they are, but do you seriously believe that these are the only people he talked to. I'm sure some people there put this guy in his place, but of course he wouldn't show that. Proving my point, he is not a reporter, he is simply a person that does not agree with the restoring honor rally so he is trying to degrade the entire thing. This is what Lame Stream media does.....and you guys love it.

_

OnTheEdge wrote:

cajunkiwi wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

I'm guessing he was talking off the top of his head ( you know, because he doesn't use a teleprompter like some people

Okay, seriously, I have to know - what's with the obsession with teleprompters? How the hell did teleprompters become a symbol of everything that's wrong with America? Obama used a teleprompter - so what? Who the hell cares? Do you have any idea how many politicians use teleprompters?

You might want to go and take Ed's version of "Masters of War" from the Bob Dylan tribute concert off your iPod... he used a teleprompter. Then again, maybe that just means he hates America like Obama does.

Not important, you're completely missing the point of the post.

Then what was the point of this statement?

Cosmo

OnTheEdge wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

if "conservatives" are not shallow why did your republican representatives and senators vote against a bill that would give health care benefits for the first responders on 9/11 that are still sick? they use those people as propaganda tools and say how great of a job they did, yet they withhold health care funding for them. so they are used as pawns. pretty much the most shallow thing i have ever read.

and back to the topic, i think the guy is just exposing the people at the rally for what they are...uninformed and misinformed about everything he asked them about...

Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:


Whatever, go bask in the glory of this guys....um.....reporting. And yes, he is showing these people for what they are, but do you seriously believe that these are the only people he talked to. I'm sure some people there put this guy in his place, but of course he wouldn't show that. Proving my point, he is not a reporter, he is simply a person that does not agree with the restoring honor rally so he is trying to degrade the entire thing. This is what Lame Stream media does.....and you guys love it.

...
FACT Check:
"The legislation was sponsored by Representative Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) with 115 co-sponsors including Peter King (R-NY). The bill which seemed to be a bipartisan effort was not expected to fail. But of the 15 Republican co-sponsors, only 12 voted for their own bill."

"Republicans were angry because the Democrats brought the bill to the House floor under a procedure called a “suspension of the rules.” Usually this procedure is used for innocuous measures which have little or no opposition.
Democrats may have expected that this bill to fall into this category. Unfortunately, the downside of the procedure is that a bill brought under this procedure needs more than just a simple majority to pass. It needs a two-thirds majority. The final vote 255 – 159."
ref. http://www.examiner.com/health-care-in- ... ault-is-it

I find it kind of odd that you tend to roll your eyes when you are the one that's knee-high in the bullshit... and that you laugh at any other media, yet choose to receive all of your opinions from FOX News. Do you have any idea how that makes you appear?
I also love how devoted you are to the Republican Party... they just cannot do wrong in your eyes... can they? Why is that?

gimmesometruth27

Cosmo wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

if "conservatives" are not shallow why did your republican representatives and senators vote against a bill that would give health care benefits for the first responders on 9/11 that are still sick? they use those people as propaganda tools and say how great of a job they did, yet they withhold health care funding for them. so they are used as pawns. pretty much the most shallow thing i have ever read.

and back to the topic, i think the guy is just exposing the people at the rally for what they are...uninformed and misinformed about everything he asked them about...

Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:


Whatever, go bask in the glory of this guys....um.....reporting. And yes, he is showing these people for what they are, but do you seriously believe that these are the only people he talked to. I'm sure some people there put this guy in his place, but of course he wouldn't show that. Proving my point, he is not a reporter, he is simply a person that does not agree with the restoring honor rally so he is trying to degrade the entire thing. This is what Lame Stream media does.....and you guys love it.

...
FACT Check:
"The legislation was sponsored by Representative Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) with 115 co-sponsors including Peter King (R-NY). The bill which seemed to be a bipartisan effort was not expected to fail. But of the 15 Republican co-sponsors, only 12 voted for their own bill."

"Republicans were angry because the Democrats brought the bill to the House floor under a procedure called a “suspension of the rules.” Usually this procedure is used for innocuous measures which have little or no opposition.
Democrats may have expected that this bill to fall into this category. Unfortunately, the downside of the procedure is that a bill brought under this procedure needs more than just a simple majority to pass. It needs a two-thirds majority. The final vote 255 – 159."
ref. http://www.examiner.com/health-care-in- ... ault-is-it

I find it kind of odd that you tend to roll your eyes when you are the one that's knee-high in the bullshit... and that you laugh at any other media, yet choose to receive all of your opinions from FOX News. Do you have any idea how that makes you appear?
I also love how devoted you are to the Republican Party... they just cannot do wrong in your eyes... can they? Why is that?

nope, that vote is not shallow at all... :roll:

Cosmo

OnTheEdge wrote:

Democrats had enough votes to pass that bill. But didn't , just so they could say.....look what the republicans did. But still, Pretty shallow of them not to vote on that bill, even with the provisions that were going to insure the illegals. :roll:


Whatever, go bask in the glory of this guys....um.....reporting. And yes, he is showing these people for what they are, but do you seriously believe that these are the only people he talked to. I'm sure some people there put this guy in his place, but of course he wouldn't show that. Proving my point, he is not a reporter, he is simply a person that does not agree with the restoring honor rally so he is trying to degrade the entire thing. This is what Lame Stream media does.....and you guys love it.

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Going through this more thoroughly uncovers the depths of your ignorance.
Here is the House Bill...
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex ... l=h111-847

Please, SHOW ME THE PROVISION TO COVER ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Because if it is where I am thinking you are mentioning... you are saying that if a person who was clearing debris and looking to rescue survivors or recover dead bodies from Ground Zero... contracted a health condition... but, was here illegally... should NOT be covered?
According to you... Someone who responded to the World Trade Center attacks and contracted lung disease from inhaling that toxic mix... should not be covered... because they were here illegally? Where were you when this person was on the scrap heap? The fucking guy should be given a fucking medal for embracing the American spirit more than you ever will.
Or is it because there may be survivors who now have Health problems from breathing in that shit that were here illegally that you don't give a fuck about?
Because of that... you agree with your representatives to avoid covering ALL First Responders??? NYPD, FDNY... fuck them because of your hatred of Mexicans?
Your political partisanship is moronic at best... downright heartless at worst.

OnTheEdge

The only point I was trying to make was the fact that people on the train ( which are mostly liberals) take these clips from these so called reporters that tries to make an entire event look stupid. If any conservative wanted to do the same with Obama voters...we could. This guy takes 10 to 20 people tops, and people on here judge the entire rally based on that. So maybe we should judge all Obama voters from clips like this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

Or we could use these people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyvqhdll ... re=related

IDIOTS!!!