I have a few questions for you and the pro-gun crowd then:
How do you feel when you watch the news and see people around the world shooting each other in the streets (I'm talking Middle East, etc)? Do you think "Those guys don't have the first clue about how to solve their problems" or do you think "Good for them for owning guns so they can defend themselves."?
[end of questions. start of diatribe]
Personally, I'm yet to hear one credible argument proving that more guns = more safety. It seems to me that if the government is doing bad things, and the people are arming themselves in response, then the end result isn't going to be utopia, it's going to be chaos.
And what is "when the time comes" supposed to mean, anyway? Obama is going to turn into the next Hussein or Hitler? It's nothing but baseless fearmongering - if you don't like the job the government is doing, then don't vote for them next time around. And if by "when the time comes" you're talking about an external enemy - someone attacking the USA - then with the weapons nations around the world currently have, a gun won't do you one bit of good.
It seems utterly foolish to me that you would give up your freedom, your right to own a gun. As a law abiding person what is the problem with owning a gun? And above that why give up any of your freedoms?
Now your criminals will continue to own guns anyways, this we know, so taking the right away just affects those who would like to protect family and property.
Instead of using your example, the people in the streets in the middle east, which what comes to mind for me is, don't these guys have jobs? also they usually have rocks and bombs! not guns
lets use the example of home invasions,they are on the rise, brazen criminals, even in broad daylight.... would you like to have at least the option to protect your family? If you don't, many do want this and feel more secure with this option.
I am not afraid Obama is going to turn into Hitler, a little sensational you are don't you think?
No I am saying without question things will fall apart here and perhaps all over the world whether planned or otherwise.
Some people may want the option to protect themselves and their property from others or some may chose to stay in their own homes then to go to the camps that are being readied for the masses. These camps designed to contain and maintain control in this type of emergency.
We are a free people or at least like to think we are and should be able to exercise that freedom with the choice to own a gun. You don't have to, that is your choice, but others may wish to.
I agree Pandora. I don't have a problem with someone that doesn't want to carry a gun, I have a problem with the person that wants to take mine away. If you don't like guns, fine, don't carry, but leave me free to make my own decision without trying to take it away from me. Not to mention, guns can also be very fun as a hobby, not just for protection.
that doesn't mean you have the right to own ANY gun. the problem with most gun zealots is they don't want any restrictions which is just as ludicrous as those who want to eliminate all guns. like most things in america these days no one wants to meet half-way or take the middle ground. there has to be and should be a happy medium here like most causes but most people seem to think to compromise is to show weakness. this line of thinking doesn't help the process at all.
It seems utterly foolish to me that you would give up your freedom, your right to own a gun. As a law abiding person what is the problem with owning a gun? And above that why give up any of your freedoms?
Now your criminals will continue to own guns anyways, this we know, so taking the right away just affects those who would like to protect family and property.
Instead of using your example, the people in the streets in the middle east, which what comes to mind for me is, don't these guys have jobs? also they usually have rocks and bombs! not guns
lets use the example of home invasions,they are on the rise, brazen criminals, even in broad daylight.... would you like to have at least the option to protect your family? If you don't, many do want this and feel more secure with this option.
I am not afraid Obama is going to turn into Hitler, a little sensational you are don't you think?
No I am saying without question things will fall apart here and perhaps all over the world whether planned or otherwise.
Some people may want the option to protect themselves and their property from others or some may chose to stay in their own homes then to go to the camps that are being readied for the masses. These camps designed to contain and maintain control in this type of emergency.
We are a free people or at least like to think we are and should be able to exercise that freedom with the choice to own a gun. You don't have to, that is your choice, but others may wish to.
I agree Pandora. I don't have a problem with someone that doesn't want to carry a gun, I have a problem with the person that wants to take mine away. If you don't like guns, fine, don't carry, but leave me free to make my own decision without trying to take it away from me. Not to mention, guns can also be very fun as a hobby, not just for protection.
that doesn't mean you have the right to own ANY gun. the problem with most gun zealots is they don't want any restrictions which is just as ludicrous as those who want to eliminate all guns. like most things in america these days no one wants to meet half-way or take the middle ground. there has to be and should be a happy medium here like most causes but most people seem to think to compromise is to show weakness. this line of thinking doesn't help the process at all.
you are correct, one would love to see compromise and laws that actually make sense.
Like the abortion debate, a new law to make abortion illegal in the case of terminating a pregnancy over 3 months would be a sensible compromise but the prochoice would not want to concede to that for fear it would be one step closer to an all out ban.
This is how Gun freedom of choice advocates feel about gun bans, give an inch.... take a mile.
It is sad but it is the way it is, compromise hasn't had a place in politics or the law, both are pretty black and white, and I fear it will remain so.
It's funny how you guys can take a few tea partiers or a few people from the restore honor rally and make a day out of commenting on it but yet..........................................................nothing :lol
You seem to be missing the main point here... I can't speak for everyone, but will say for myself, regarding Beck, the tea party and similar. Please mind you I do not like Obama, nor am I a Dem. I do not disagree with them because they're "not on my team" or "have a different opinion than I"... I disagree with them because they offer extremely skewed and misguided versions of history, current affairs in order to paint some grandoise picture. It's nothing more than conspiracy theory carried out in a different direction. Below I have touched upon a few key issues they all love to discuss but have little proof at all to legitimately back up such outlandish claims.
Plain and simple, for pure definition and practical basis, we have become an oligarchy based upon consumerism and private interests (big business incorporated with government) which is backed by lobbying. We do not, have never been or... slightly moved in the direction of the government actually owning the means of big business with the sole intention of keeping them for power's sake. If "bailouts" are the red herring leading to communism or socialism, I suggest you or others who deem them as such, re-read what these concepts are before making such an outlandish accusation, because it is very, very misguided.
And for all these dingbats who claim for constitutional rights, I find it rather funny they act as if all these things began when Obama was elected. It's nothing more than glamorized partisan politics with a new catch name. Same issues, leaders, spokespeople and views (or lack their of), with a new nickname. I certainly do not like the Dems or Obama, but I call them as I see them. All these tea party people or "new" constitutionalists are nothing more than right-wing republicans trying for the same exact agenda as before. They're all for god in government but want to fight it overseas (cause it's the wrong god). They want fiscal responsibility but have no answers to fix our problems. They all want immigration fixed, but don't have a plan to adjust the results on our economy. They're all good "patriots" when their party is in office screwing up the nation, but don't really care about their fellow citizens. 8 years ago these same people would say dissents is un-american and anti-american, now the shoe is on the other foot and all of a sudden it's patriotic and they're constitutionalists? Really? So in sum, it's not dismissive cause I disagree with their opinion, I'm dismissive because they don't offer real, viable solutions and the things they say and do are hypocritical, illogical and impractical.
It's funny how you guys can take a few tea partiers or a few people from the restore honor rally and make a day out of commenting on it but yet..........................................................nothing :lol
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Does anyone know where any written transcripts of Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin's speeches?
I'd like to read the full context to see what was said to get a clearer view.
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Hail, Hail!!!
definite fake. the video says these two event occurred at "the same area". in the first part of the video the world war II memorial was completely visible. in the second part it was nowhere to be seen, thus implying different locations. also there were hundreds of thousands more there at obama's historic inauguration compared to beck's recent religious revival...more people = more trash no matter how you try to edit it...we can't even verify the dates on the footage. no date or time stamp/counter was present in the video...political grandstanding and making something out of nothing as usual..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
prfctlefts - I'd really love to hear your response to my above long post rather than ignore the comments and talk about some littering :roll:
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
did anyone see the crowd estimates?
the dc police estimated at 80,000 via aerial photography
sarah palin said "at least 100,000"
beck said 500,000 from the stage that day
and crazy ass michelle bachmann said "1.6 million"
please go back to sleep ms bachmann...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
did anyone see the crowd estimates?
the dc police estimated at 80,000 via aerial photography
sarah palin said "at least 100,000"
beck said 500,000 from the stage that day
and crazy ass michelle bachmann said "1.6 million"
please go back to sleep ms bachmann...
this is probably more accurate than becks estimate.
did anyone see the crowd estimates?
the dc police estimated at 80,000 via aerial photography
sarah palin said "at least 100,000"
beck said 500,000 from the stage that day
and crazy ass michelle bachmann said "1.6 million"
please go back to sleep ms bachmann...
this is probably more accurate than becks estimate.
:roll:
Try any where from 300,000 to 500,000
I would post a link to prove this but I'm on an iPad and I'm still learning how to use it.
Also regardless of what you might think about Beck and the rally itself anyone with any faith in a creator or a higher power would have to agree that this is more than just a coincidence.
Before the rally beck and his associates tried and tried to get a fly over for the opening ceremony but couldn't make it happen because of national security, so at like 9:59 just as the music started playing a flock of gees flew directly over the reflecting pool in a v formation towards the Lincoln memorial.
But I'm sure some of you will say they planed like that.
If anyone could post a link to this I would appreciate it
definite fake. the video says these two event occurred at "the same area". in the first part of the video the world war II memorial was completely visible. in the second part it was nowhere to be seen, thus implying different locations. also there were hundreds of thousands more there at obama's historic inauguration compared to beck's recent religious revival...more people = more trash no matter how you try to edit it...we can't even verify the dates on the footage. no date or time stamp/counter was present in the video...political grandstanding and making something out of nothing as usual..
No it's not a fake. For one the weather on obamas inaguration was freezing cold that day and his followers did the same thing in Chicago the night he won the election. But since you seem to know everything you can believe whatever the hell you want. It may not have been the exact same location,but it was the same proximity and I don't care if there were more people there are not there's no excuse for trashing the place. Pack your damn trash.
So anywhere from 87,000 to 500,000...sounds accurate?! lol Tomorrow the weather is gonna be between 0-100 degrees.
Still waiting for a response from you or others from my above post.
Lastly, who cares about the geese. Do you think god loves the constitution or our nation more than anywhere else? If he did he probably would have included women the right to vote or to abolish slavery, cause us silly humans had to amend those things... but back to nonsense.. got any more pictures of littering?
:roll:
Try any where from 300,000 to 500,000
I would post a link to prove this but I'm on an iPad and I'm still learning how to use it.
Also regardless of what you might think about Beck and the rally itself anyone with any faith in a creator or a higher power would have to agree that this is more than just a coincidence.
Before the rally beck and his associates tried and tried to get a fly over for the opening ceremony but couldn't make it happen because of national security, so at like 9:59 just as the music started playing a flock of gees flew directly over the reflecting pool in a v formation towards the Lincoln memorial.
But I'm sure some of you will say they planed like that.
If anyone could post a link to this I would appreciate it
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Doyou always act like a dick or just when you don't agree with someone ? The fact is there were way more people there than 87,000 but I could care less what you are gjimmie or any one else on this board think. As far as how many people were there. As The geese go I thought it was cool and so did everyone else that attended.and no I'm not going to respond to your other post because I've already answered questions like yours in other threads. I'm done with this subject because all people do on here are go around in circles and end up pissing each other off. Frankly I'm done with this board and this fan club.
Not always, just when the occasion calls for it. I never discount anyone's right to their opinion, but will discredit the information. You seem to take that as the same I suppose?
And for the record I don't care how many attended, but don't you find it a bit odd of such a massive difference? I mean reports vary between 87 - 500k? A bit odd no matter which you believe.
I also do find it funny that you say you're fed up from hearing from people, yet 95% of the threads you write in, you comment and never reply to follow up with people's comments or questions about further explanation and clarification. I guess being vague and broad brings this thread full circle with Glenn Beck huh?
Doyou always act like a dick or just when you don't agree with someone ? The fact is there were way more people there than 87,000 but I could care less what you are gjimmie or any one else on this board think. As far as how many people were there. As The geese go I thought it was cool and so did everyone else that attended.and no I'm not going to respond to your other post because I've already answered questions like yours in other threads. I'm done with this subject because all people do on here are go around in circles and end up pissing each other off. Frankly I'm done with this board and this fan club.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
This is exactly why Rupert Murdoch is the devil. Not because of his views or the fact that I disagree with them, but rather he just does it for the money.. big difference. He's selling a product and always pushing the envelope for the reward, not his belief. It also doesn't help that the product he pushes misinforms society and dumbs people down.
Beck is an entertainer laughing all the way to the bank. He couldn't care less about the country, all eh cares about is the almighty dollar.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
No it's not a fake. For one the weather on obamas inaguration was freezing cold that day and his followers did the same thing in Chicago the night he won the election. But since you seem to know everything you can believe whatever the hell you want. It may not have been the exact same location,but it was the same proximity and I don't care if there were more people there are not there's no excuse for trashing the place. Pack your damn trash.
where is the WWII memorial in that second part of the video? anyone who has been there will tell you that you can see it from over 1/2 mile away. it is clearly not there in that second part of the video. and yes, since i have been to the mall before, i will believe what my own eyes and experiences tell me, thank you...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
did anyone see the crowd estimates?
the dc police estimated at 80,000 via aerial photography
sarah palin said "at least 100,000"
beck said 500,000 from the stage that day
and crazy ass michelle bachmann said "1.6 million"
please go back to sleep ms bachmann...
this is probably more accurate than becks estimate.
:roll:
Try any where from 300,000 to 500,000
I would post a link to prove this but I'm on an iPad and I'm still learning how to use it.
Also regardless of what you might think about Beck and the rally itself anyone with any faith in a creator or a higher power would have to agree that this is more than just a coincidence.
Before the rally beck and his associates tried and tried to get a fly over for the opening ceremony but couldn't make it happen because of national security, so at like 9:59 just as the music started playing a flock of gees flew directly over the reflecting pool in a v formation towards the Lincoln memorial.
But I'm sure some of you will say they planed like that.
If anyone could post a link to this I would appreciate it
anywhere from 300,000 to 500,000? so which is it? there is quite a large difference between the two. i am sure anyone with an iq of 75 would be able to look at a pic of a rally with 300,000 and 500,000 and notice that nearly 1/3 of the crowd is missing between the pics. 200,000, that is a large number to be off in an estimate. no support for bachmann's 1.6 million? that is like saying there were a billion gazillion people there...
also, a flock of geese flew over my head walking across the parking lot into work the other day. is that a sign from god as well?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You see wildly varying estimates at most large, outdoor, unticketed events like this. An estimate range of 300-500k actually strikes me as quite small. However, the difference between 1.6M and 300k I would think would be pretty obvious. Hard to fathom what 1.6M people in one place even looks like.
I'm surprised to see an official quote from the DC Police about crowd size -- does anyone have a link supporting that? I remember reading a while back that the Park Service had stopped providing estimates altogether due to some fallout after the Million Man March.
You see wildly varying estimates at most large, outdoor, unticketed events like this. An estimate range of 300-500k actually strikes me as quite small. However, the difference between 1.6M and 300k I would think would be pretty obvious. Hard to fathom what 1.6M people in one place even looks like.
I'm surprised to see an official quote from the DC Police about crowd size -- does anyone have a link supporting that? I remember reading a while back that the Park Service had stopped providing estimates altogether due to some fallout after the Million Man March.
it was reported on cbs national news last night. i heard the story as i was walking to the kitchen and i thought the parks service or dc police gave that estimate, but i might have misheard who gave that estimate... but it was probably that company in the cbs story link that TriumphantAngel posted a few posts ago...my bad..sorry for the confusion everyone.. :oops: :oops:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You see wildly varying estimates at most large, outdoor, unticketed events like this. An estimate range of 300-500k actually strikes me as quite small. However, the difference between 1.6M and 300k I would think would be pretty obvious. Hard to fathom what 1.6M people in one place even looks like.
I'm surprised to see an official quote from the DC Police about crowd size -- does anyone have a link supporting that? I remember reading a while back that the Park Service had stopped providing estimates altogether due to some fallout after the Million Man March.
it was reported on cbs national news last night. i heard the story as i was walking to the kitchen and i thought the parks service or dc police gave that estimate, but i might have misheard who gave that estimate... but it was probably that company in the cbs story link that TriumphantAngel posted a few posts ago...my bad..sorry for the confusion everyone.. :oops: :oops:
I think I'll be more inclined to take the word of people who estimate crowd sizes professionally over the word of the people organizing and supporting the event.
"After the 2008 presidential election, I.... used a satellite image taken over the National Mall on January 20, 2009, to estimate the crowd there at about 800,000... Because of the wild pre-inauguration predictions of how many would attend in person — up to 5 million! — my reality-based estimate was ignored by many left-wing commentators and embraced by those on the right.... I am amused to see that those who embraced my Obama inauguration estimate as soberly realistic are now attacking the Beck rally estimate, produced using exactly the same methods, as deliberately biased."
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
I think I'll be more inclined to take the word of people who estimate crowd sizes professionally over the word of the people organizing and supporting the event.
me too.... hopefully everyone would.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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that doesn't mean you have the right to own ANY gun. the problem with most gun zealots is they don't want any restrictions which is just as ludicrous as those who want to eliminate all guns. like most things in america these days no one wants to meet half-way or take the middle ground. there has to be and should be a happy medium here like most causes but most people seem to think to compromise is to show weakness. this line of thinking doesn't help the process at all.
Like the abortion debate, a new law to make abortion illegal in the case of terminating a pregnancy over 3 months would be a sensible compromise but the prochoice would not want to concede to that for fear it would be one step closer to an all out ban.
This is how Gun freedom of choice advocates feel about gun bans, give an inch.... take a mile.
It is sad but it is the way it is, compromise hasn't had a place in politics or the law, both are pretty black and white, and I fear it will remain so.
It's funny how you guys can take a few tea partiers or a few people from the restore honor rally and make a day out of commenting on it but yet..........................................................nothing :lol
Plain and simple, for pure definition and practical basis, we have become an oligarchy based upon consumerism and private interests (big business incorporated with government) which is backed by lobbying. We do not, have never been or... slightly moved in the direction of the government actually owning the means of big business with the sole intention of keeping them for power's sake. If "bailouts" are the red herring leading to communism or socialism, I suggest you or others who deem them as such, re-read what these concepts are before making such an outlandish accusation, because it is very, very misguided.
And for all these dingbats who claim for constitutional rights, I find it rather funny they act as if all these things began when Obama was elected. It's nothing more than glamorized partisan politics with a new catch name. Same issues, leaders, spokespeople and views (or lack their of), with a new nickname. I certainly do not like the Dems or Obama, but I call them as I see them. All these tea party people or "new" constitutionalists are nothing more than right-wing republicans trying for the same exact agenda as before. They're all for god in government but want to fight it overseas (cause it's the wrong god). They want fiscal responsibility but have no answers to fix our problems. They all want immigration fixed, but don't have a plan to adjust the results on our economy. They're all good "patriots" when their party is in office screwing up the nation, but don't really care about their fellow citizens. 8 years ago these same people would say dissents is un-american and anti-american, now the shoe is on the other foot and all of a sudden it's patriotic and they're constitutionalists? Really? So in sum, it's not dismissive cause I disagree with their opinion, I'm dismissive because they don't offer real, viable solutions and the things they say and do are hypocritical, illogical and impractical.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7y8gEcoqas
I'd like to read the full context to see what was said to get a clearer view.
Hail, Hail!!!
fake...
canada isn't that regressive...
at least we've got healthcare!
the only good thing about this video (apart from its hilarity) is that there weren't any young people shown...
go my generatioN!
Oh Really ?? :roll:
Im just curios, what insane asylum to you currently reside at ?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... ional-mall
listen up, cabinet...How do I know these clips were taken on the day(s) in question...? for all I know your loverboy bretfart doctored the footage...
hahaha....so ironic.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
the dc police estimated at 80,000 via aerial photography
sarah palin said "at least 100,000"
beck said 500,000 from the stage that day
and crazy ass michelle bachmann said "1.6 million"
please go back to sleep ms bachmann...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... 03544.html
Try any where from 300,000 to 500,000
I would post a link to prove this but I'm on an iPad and I'm still learning how to use it.
Also regardless of what you might think about Beck and the rally itself anyone with any faith in a creator or a higher power would have to agree that this is more than just a coincidence.
Before the rally beck and his associates tried and tried to get a fly over for the opening ceremony but couldn't make it happen because of national security, so at like 9:59 just as the music started playing a flock of gees flew directly over the reflecting pool in a v formation towards the Lincoln memorial.
But I'm sure some of you will say they planed like that.
If anyone could post a link to this I would appreciate it
No it's not a fake. For one the weather on obamas inaguration was freezing cold that day and his followers did the same thing in Chicago the night he won the election. But since you seem to know everything you can believe whatever the hell you want. It may not have been the exact same location,but it was the same proximity and I don't care if there were more people there are not there's no excuse for trashing the place. Pack your damn trash.
Still waiting for a response from you or others from my above post.
Lastly, who cares about the geese. Do you think god loves the constitution or our nation more than anywhere else? If he did he probably would have included women the right to vote or to abolish slavery, cause us silly humans had to amend those things... but back to nonsense.. got any more pictures of littering?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
And for the record I don't care how many attended, but don't you find it a bit odd of such a massive difference? I mean reports vary between 87 - 500k? A bit odd no matter which you believe.
I also do find it funny that you say you're fed up from hearing from people, yet 95% of the threads you write in, you comment and never reply to follow up with people's comments or questions about further explanation and clarification. I guess being vague and broad brings this thread full circle with Glenn Beck huh?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
also, a flock of geese flew over my head walking across the parking lot into work the other day. is that a sign from god as well?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm surprised to see an official quote from the DC Police about crowd size -- does anyone have a link supporting that? I remember reading a while back that the Park Service had stopped providing estimates altogether due to some fallout after the Million Man March.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I think I'll be more inclined to take the word of people who estimate crowd sizes professionally over the word of the people organizing and supporting the event.
http://stevedoig.com/
"After the 2008 presidential election, I.... used a satellite image taken over the National Mall on January 20, 2009, to estimate the crowd there at about 800,000... Because of the wild pre-inauguration predictions of how many would attend in person — up to 5 million! — my reality-based estimate was ignored by many left-wing commentators and embraced by those on the right.... I am amused to see that those who embraced my Obama inauguration estimate as soberly realistic are now attacking the Beck rally estimate, produced using exactly the same methods, as deliberately biased."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."