1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest 2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1 2022: Nashville 2023: Ft. Worth II
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Oregon's home loss to Stanford dropped the Ducks to No. 5 in the BCS standings.
Notre Dame is No. 1, Alabama is No. 2 and Georgia is No. 3.
That means if Notre Dame beats USC on Saturday, it almost certainly will play the SEC champion for the national championship.
If Notre Dame loses, however, things could get interesting.
Oregon is fourth in both national polls, but it it seventh with the computers, which is why it is ranked behind No. 4 Florida.
But if Oregon beats Oregon State on Saturday -- the Beavers are No. 15 in the BCS standings -- and No. 8 Stanford loses at No. 17 UCLA, the Ducks would get another quality foe in the Bruins in the Pac-12 championship game.
It's possible the Ducks could perk up enough in the BCS standings to earn a berth opposite the SEC champion, if, again, Notre Dame loses.
Further, the Pac-12 is doing well in the BCS standings overall, if not the polls.
Six Pac-12 teams are in the BCS top-25. Arizona is No. 24 and Washington is No. 25.
So imagine this: If Arizona beats Arizona State and Washington beats Washington State, both on Friday. that would be two more top-25 wins for Oregon. Toss in Oregon State and UCLA, and USC's perk after beating Notre Dame, and that could swing the computers the Ducks way.
Not sure yet how I feel about this UMD Big 10 move. We shall see!
"Sometimes you find yourself having to put all your faith in no faith."
~not a dude~
2010: MSGx2
2012: Made In America
2013: Pittsburgh, Brooklynx2, Hartford, Baltimore
2014: Leeds, Milton Keynes, Detroit
2015: Global Citizen Festival
2016: Phillyx2, MSGx2, Fenwayx2 2018: Barcelona, Wrigleyx2
first of all I am a fan of the U so by default I have to hate Notre Dame. Really the hatred on my part is the fact that they are essentially the Bill O'Reilly of college football. if I need to explain more i will.
I can understand it from a rivalry aspect, but it's a lot more widespread than people who went to rival schools.
And yeah, a little clarification on the Bill O'Reilly thing is needed, I don't really know what you mean.
A lot of people have elaborated above, but basically they were once the dominant force in college football and that time has passed. However, they hold on to the past with their widespread following and relative level of privilege within the college football industry (by being an independent they don't have to share any money with anyone when they go to bowl games and the like so when the BCS says they get $14 million they actually get all $14 million). At the same time when people call them on their sense of entitlement their fans start whining about the media's attack on all things Irish (code for: well it's kind of obvious) even though they have unearned privileges just for being Notre Dame. Bill O'Reilly does much of the same in a different context (see: the war on christmas or whatever bullshit that he spouts off about right about...now).
Further, and to take the O'Reilly analogy a step further, if you watch Billy Corben's documentary "The U," the social class and, by extension, racial (sorry 81), elements behind the depiction of the Miami-Notre Dame rivalry as "Catholics vs. Convicts" are striking. This of course is despite the realities that Notre Dame, as a whole, does some pretty fucked up shit (see: last year when their video taper died in high winds or when the school covered up multiple rapes for their football team). Edit: Oh yes and let's not forget Hornung's statements that they need to lower academic standards to "get the black athlete".
Notre Dame does have it's share of problems, but I think "The U" did an accurate job of portraying the disgrace that was the late 80's Miami teams.
Alpine Valley 6/26/98, Alpine Valley 10/8/00, Champaign 4/23/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Grand Rapids 10/3/04
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
I don't think you can blame the whole university for what one old man said. And the Catholics vs Convicts thing was started by a few students, blame the media for seizing on it, as they do with anything that's catchy. I can see why people dislike them after some of the stuff mentioned, but really there is no program with a clean nose. And there are plenty of teams who would play weak schedules then cry about not being in the National Championship game, TCU in recent years has been terrible about that. But nobody hates them, they're everybody's favorite underdog team. Though now they're behaving like any other corrupt big program. None of this stuff seems exclusive to Notre Dame. I think it's the big TV deal that probably pisses people off, and I can understand that.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
i'd rather see indiana and MN expelled from the big ten football confrence.
Money and TV contracts and expanded coverage. That's what matters today.
Yet god forbid a student athlete makes a few bucks on the side.
Yeah it's getting out of control. They need to make the buyouts so much that no one can ever leave a conference. I find it funny that we couldn't have a playoff for so long because it wouldn't be good for the student athlete with all the travel, but now we can have conferences that span the entire country. It's sad that money and tv contracts are running college football.
Student athletes do get paid, it's called a free college education, which the cost is going up by the minute. The problem is they should be allowed to work a low paying campus job like other students.
Alpine Valley 6/26/98, Alpine Valley 10/8/00, Champaign 4/23/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Grand Rapids 10/3/04
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
pureoc, as a fan of the U i don't see them as a disgrace but rather the logical conclusion to a fucked up system. send a bunch of poor black kids to get a "free education" from a system never intended to educate them to entertain a bunch of rich white kids and see what happens. oh yeah it's the U. what did tyler durden or jack say? they are the scratch in the roof of your mouth or something of the like.
pureoc, as a fan of the U i don't see them as a disgrace but rather the logical conclusion to a fucked up system. send a bunch of poor black kids to get a "free education" from a system never intended to educate them to entertain a bunch of rich white kids and see what happens. oh yeah it's the U. what did tyler durden or jack say? they are the scratch in the roof of your mouth or something of the like.
The system is f'd up that's for damn sure. There should be tougher standards for athletes that don't take the academic part of student athlete serious, however I think the main problem is many student athletes don't care about the academic part which is just sad. A lot of kids would love to get the college education they get for the cost they get it at. The disgrace comment mainly came from the fact that 20+ years later these guys are the same arrogant aholes they were back then. Pretty sad they never grew up.
Alpine Valley 6/26/98, Alpine Valley 10/8/00, Champaign 4/23/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Grand Rapids 10/3/04
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
pureoc, as a fan of the U i don't see them as a disgrace but rather the logical conclusion to a fucked up system. send a bunch of poor black kids to get a "free education" from a system never intended to educate them to entertain a bunch of rich white kids and see what happens. oh yeah it's the U. what did tyler durden or jack say? they are the scratch in the roof of your mouth or something of the like.
The system is f'd up that's for damn sure. There should be tougher standards for athletes that don't take the academic part of student athlete serious, however I think the main problem is many student athletes don't care about the academic part which is just sad. A lot of kids would love to get the college education they get for the cost they get it at. The disgrace comment mainly came from the fact that 20+ years later these guys are the same arrogant aholes they were back then. Pretty sad they never grew up.
they never had to...always rewarded for not caring. as you say this isn't unique to the U, but they are the exemplar of everything that could go wrong with the system. at the same time as a college prof there are a lot of non-athletes on parental scholarships that could give two shits about what they are doing in class. i think it's endemic of a national educational system that funnels everyone to college at 18 when very few of us appreciate what a college education is supposed to be about. many of us would benefit from a few years in the labor force before we figure it out. i know once i did know what i want to do college became a thousand times easier and more important for me. of course i never left so what do i know hehe.
pureoc, as a fan of the U i don't see them as a disgrace but rather the logical conclusion to a fucked up system. send a bunch of poor black kids to get a "free education" from a system never intended to educate them to entertain a bunch of rich white kids and see what happens. oh yeah it's the U. what did tyler durden or jack say? they are the scratch in the roof of your mouth or something of the like.
The system is f'd up that's for damn sure. There should be tougher standards for athletes that don't take the academic part of student athlete serious, however I think the main problem is many student athletes don't care about the academic part which is just sad. A lot of kids would love to get the college education they get for the cost they get it at. The disgrace comment mainly came from the fact that 20+ years later these guys are the same arrogant aholes they were back then. Pretty sad they never grew up.
they never had to...always rewarded for not caring. as you say this isn't unique to the U, but they are the exemplar of everything that could go wrong with the system. at the same time as a college prof there are a lot of non-athletes on parental scholarships that could give two shits about what they are doing in class. i think it's endemic of a national educational system that funnels everyone to college at 18 when very few of us appreciate what a college education is supposed to be about. many of us would benefit from a few years in the labor force before we figure it out. i know once i did know what i want to do college became a thousand times easier and more important for me. of course i never left so what do i know hehe.
I think it would be greatly beneficial to almost everyone if that was the case.
Alpine Valley 6/26/98, Alpine Valley 10/8/00, Champaign 4/23/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Grand Rapids 10/3/04
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
frauds :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: out
all his teams suck :roll:
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
today is it. Thank you NCAA for punishing a group of kids who were learning to walk when crimes were being committed. You are a first class organization. Thank you ESPN, for feeding the media frenzy throughout the summer and letting the world know that Joe Paterno and Penn State football are indeed a menace to society while you air for the first time 11 of our 12 games.
Others with "football culture", please enjoy your day and the weeks to come.
I will truly enjoy my final Saturday and have a blast, because contrary to popular belief - football never came first. But it may at 3:30 today, just for 3 hours.
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woah woah, that trophy was renamed. Can't believe PSU is a 3 pt fav this week
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Now, if only we can attach a scandal to the words "leaders" and "legends" ...
:think:
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
didn't know that. right on :thumbup:
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
i will say, i'd rather see nd-sec instead of sec-sec again...in fact, i really don't need to ever see the sec again
I see a bunch of games at the Medowlands and Ravens/Redskins games for when the big boys come to town.
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2010: MSGx2
2012: Made In America
2013: Pittsburgh, Brooklynx2, Hartford, Baltimore
2014: Leeds, Milton Keynes, Detroit
2015: Global Citizen Festival
2016: Phillyx2, MSGx2, Fenwayx2
2018: Barcelona, Wrigleyx2
Notre Dame does have it's share of problems, but I think "The U" did an accurate job of portraying the disgrace that was the late 80's Miami teams.
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
Yeah it's getting out of control. They need to make the buyouts so much that no one can ever leave a conference. I find it funny that we couldn't have a playoff for so long because it wouldn't be good for the student athlete with all the travel, but now we can have conferences that span the entire country. It's sad that money and tv contracts are running college football.
Student athletes do get paid, it's called a free college education, which the cost is going up by the minute. The problem is they should be allowed to work a low paying campus job like other students.
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
The system is f'd up that's for damn sure. There should be tougher standards for athletes that don't take the academic part of student athlete serious, however I think the main problem is many student athletes don't care about the academic part which is just sad. A lot of kids would love to get the college education they get for the cost they get it at. The disgrace comment mainly came from the fact that 20+ years later these guys are the same arrogant aholes they were back then. Pretty sad they never grew up.
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
I am doing fine for myself now, but there were a rash of poor decisions I made in the 17-19 YO range that affected my life and career, etc.
I think it would be greatly beneficial to almost everyone if that was the case.
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co ... -bowl-ban/
:fp:
fuck that team up north
what took so long?
that program has fallen and can't get up :shock:
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
+1,000,000
GO BUCKS!
:corn:
definitely deserving of a :fp:
get a life.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
frauds :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: out
Are the Trojans wearing blue nike jerseys against ND on Saturday? Does it signify that their pretty boy QB is all black and blue?
all his teams suck :roll:
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Others with "football culture", please enjoy your day and the weeks to come.
I will truly enjoy my final Saturday and have a blast, because contrary to popular belief - football never came first. But it may at 3:30 today, just for 3 hours.
We Are
DEGENERATE FUK
This place is dead
"THERE ARE NO CLIQUES, ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T JOIN THE FUN" - Empty circa 2015
"Kfsbho&$thncds" - F Me In the Brain - circa 2015