96% support Arizona on MSNBC poll

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Pepe Silvia wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

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No, just wondering, are you an American or do you live in another country?

why does this matter? can he have no opinion if he lives somewhere else??? it pisses me off when americans dismiss everyone else's opinion if they do not live here. ever wonder why so many people think we americans are arrogant pricks?

and especially so considering we tell the world what it should do and how it should behave. we've never had a problem sticking our noses into the affair's of another country or having an opinion on them.

pepe huh? you sound kinda mexican....papers please?

(yes, I'm being sarcastic)

Nothingman54

_outlaw wrote:

how can anyone support this law? it legalizes racial profiling which is unconstitutional.

I support it! It needs to be done. For our safety and to protect jobs. My wife and her co workers almost lost their jobs because illegals go to the hospital and don't have insurance, they give false info. Get free care and don't pay a fucking cent. When 50%+ do this it's gonna have an affect on a hospital. I wish my state had a law like AZ. I'm voting for a repub. For the first time. if you go through the process and come legally, great you have nothing to worry about, show your papers or whatever and be on your way. But if your not legit then you should go back to you came from and go through the correct process. Also, don't they already do this in airports. I have a brotherinlaw who's parents are from Pakistan and he gets fucked with everytime he goes to the airport. I don't hear anybody bitching about racial profiling at airports.

fuck

Nothingman54 wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

how can anyone support this law? it legalizes racial profiling which is unconstitutional.

I support it! It needs to be done. For our safety and to protect jobs. My wife and her co workers almost lost their jobs because illegals go to the hospital and don't have insurance, they give false info. Get free care and don't pay a fucking cent. When 50%+ do this it's gonna have an affect on a hospital. I wish my state had a law like AZ. I'm voting for a repub. For the first time. if you go through the process and come legally, great you have nothing to worry about, show your papers or whatever and be on your way. But if your not legit then you should go back to you came from and go through the correct process. Also, don't they already do this in airports. I have a brotherinlaw who's parents are from Pakistan and he gets fucked with everytime he goes to the airport. I don't hear anybody bitching about racial profiling at airports.

I don't think the federal government itself should have the authority to do something that is very explicitly unconstitutional, let alone a fucking state. regardless of the reasons. but that's just me. i mean if, for example, a state that had a large percentage of gun violence wanted to outlaw guns tomorrow, everyone would be screaming that it's unconstitutional. but the constitution only matters when we want it to, right? so who gives a fuck about rights and all that nonsense. fuck mexicans and kill the illegals!

and yes they do this in airports, just because you don't hear anyone bitching about it doesn't mean there wasn't a thread about that a few days ago. still unconstitutional. still wrong.

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Nothingman54 wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

how can anyone support this law? it legalizes racial profiling which is unconstitutional.

I support it! It needs to be done. For our safety and to protect jobs. My wife and her co workers almost lost their jobs because illegals go to the hospital and don't have insurance, they give false info. Get free care and don't pay a fucking cent. When 50%+ do this it's gonna have an affect on a hospital. I wish my state had a law like AZ. I'm voting for a repub. For the first time. if you go through the process and come legally, great you have nothing to worry about, show your papers or whatever and be on your way. But if your not legit then you should go back to you came from and go through the correct process. Also, don't they already do this in airports. I have a brotherinlaw who's parents are from Pakistan and he gets fucked with everytime he goes to the airport. I don't hear anybody bitching about racial profiling at airports.

U.S. citizens do this all the time too. You don't have to give false info, whether you have papers or not.

Boxes&Books

Nothingman54 wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

how can anyone support this law? it legalizes racial profiling which is unconstitutional.

I support it! It needs to be done. For our safety and to protect jobs. My wife and her co workers almost lost their jobs because illegals go to the hospital and don't have insurance, they give false info. Get free care and don't pay a fucking cent. When 50%+ do this it's gonna have an affect on a hospital. I wish my state had a law like AZ. I'm voting for a repub. For the first time. if you go through the process and come legally, great you have nothing to worry about, show your papers or whatever and be on your way. But if your not legit then you should go back to you came from and go through the correct process. Also, don't they already do this in airports. I have a brotherinlaw who's parents are from Pakistan and he gets fucked with everytime he goes to the airport. I don't hear anybody bitching about racial profiling at airports.

Why do you always need to state that you aren't a republican or that you never voted for republican?.... In most of your post related to this subject you just about always state that, why? Why would voting for a republican change anything? Some republicans want to give amnesty.
You should vote for a racist or a bigot -

Everyone at airports coming in from another country needs to provide a passport, "EVERYONE"=

You obviously don't understand how complicated this law is and how this law doesn't fix anything, however it does hurt AZ's pockets. It really is simply creating financial problems, equality problems, DIVISION amongst AZ citizens, DIVISION nationwide, and much more.....but why discuss it here...you obviously don't care and you obviously don't understand........

unsung

tonifig8 wrote:

DIVISION amongst AZ citizens, DIVISION nationwide,.

Right, it sure has. I'm guessing:

AZ Citizens 80% for, 20% against
US Citizens 70% for, 30% against

Godfather.

racial profiling ......just another whinnie ass excuse, please quit with that crap you guys use the constution when it works for you but bitch about it when it dose not and using the race card to protest the AZ law is chicken shit.

Godfather.

fuck

Godfather. wrote:

racial profiling ......just another whinnie ass excuse, please quit with that crap you guys use the constution when it works for you but bitch about it when it dose not and using the race card to protest the AZ law is chicken shit.

Godfather.

1. i dare you to name one time i bitched about the constitution when it didn't "work for me". seriously. try to name one time.
2. the only one using the constitution only when it works for them is you. i mean shit, i'm sure if this were the mid-1800s, you'd be pissed about that whole slavery being abolished thing.
3. your logic is wrong. you basically admit that racial profiling is unconstitutional (when you say "you guys use the constitution when it works for you" you're basically agreeing that it works for us in this case). even if we bitched about the constitution when it didn't work for us, which you're absolutely being a complete liar about, that's still wrong. what would be correct is for you to argue that the constitution should be applied in every single case. including this one. anything else is you just being a hypocrite, a liar, and in most cases, a dumb ass.

Godfather.

_outlaw wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

racial profiling ......just another whinnie ass excuse, please quit with that crap you guys use the constution when it works for you but bitch about it when it dose not and using the race card to protest the AZ law is chicken shit.

Godfather.

1. i dare you to name one time i bitched about the constitution when it didn't "work for me". seriously. try to name one time.
2. the only one using the constitution only when it works for them is you. i mean shit, i'm sure if this were the mid-1800s, you'd be pissed about that whole slavery being abolished thing.
3. your logic is wrong. you basically admit that racial profiling is unconstitutional (when you say "you guys use the constitution when it works for you" you're basically agreeing that it works for us in this case). even if we bitched about the constitution when it didn't work for us, which you're absolutely being a complete liar about, that's still wrong. what would be correct is for you to argue that the constitution should be applied in every single case. including this one. anything else is you just being a hypocrite, a liar, and in most cases, a dumb ass.

no ..I not a whinnie ass bitch, some of you seem to think this AZ law is just to discreminate against the Mexican people as a whole and it's not, there have been huge crimes commited by people crossing illegally
like grug running murder stealing etc. not to mention the millions of dollars it cost the US tax payer every year to deal with this shit and it just keeps happening and as soon has sombody has the balls to try and do something about it some of you start crying and whinning then using the constution and the race card to back up your bullshit claims so if you want to see a real dumb ass look no futher than your self.some of you are all about rights as long as you aprove of who they help and don't help so save your bs for someone else I'm tired of reading your crap.

Godfather.

OnTheEdge

_outlaw wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

racial profiling ......just another whinnie ass excuse, please quit with that crap you guys use the constution when it works for you but bitch about it when it dose not and using the race card to protest the AZ law is chicken shit.

Godfather.

1. i dare you to name one time i bitched about the constitution when it didn't "work for me". seriously. try to name one time.
2. the only one using the constitution only when it works for them is you. i mean shit, i'm sure if this were the mid-1800s, you'd be pissed about that whole slavery being abolished thing.
3. your logic is wrong. you basically admit that racial profiling is unconstitutional (when you say "you guys use the constitution when it works for you" you're basically agreeing that it works for us in this case). even if we bitched about the constitution when it didn't work for us, which you're absolutely being a complete liar about, that's still wrong. what would be correct is for you to argue that the constitution should be applied in every single case. including this one. anything else is you just being a hypocrite, a liar, and in most cases, a dumb ass.

I may be wrong here because I do not know the constitution word for word, but why should someone living in the United Staes ILLEGALY have constitutional rights? They are not a citizen so therefore the constitution wouldn't apply to them.

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Godfather. wrote:

no ..I not a whinnie ass bitch, some of you seem to think this AZ law is just to discreminate against the Mexican people as a whole and it's not, there have been huge crimes commited by people crossing illegally
like grug running murder stealing etc.

http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.ph ... 08&start=0

scb

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OnTheEdge wrote:

I may be wrong here because I do not know the constitution word for word, but why should someone living in the United Staes ILLEGALY have constitutional rights? They are not a citizen so therefore the constitution wouldn't apply to them.

Am I getting confused or are we having this conversation in more than one thread? :?

This law violates the rights of the US CITIZENS who will be forced to repeatedly prove their citizenship because they are suspected of being here illegally.

TriumphantAngel

Nothingman54 wrote:

Also, don't they already do this in airports. I have a brotherinlaw who's parents are from Pakistan and he gets fucked with everytime he goes to the airport. I don't hear anybody bitching about racial profiling at airports.

actually...

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=136981

TriumphantAngel

sixty minutes Australia, ran a story on this in the last 12 hours or so. the video is not up to watch yet but i just read the transcript.

i think Sherrif Joe Arpaio might have some underlying issues going on within himself. he calls himself the "toughest sherrif in America", and orders illegal immigrants who are detained, to wear pink underwear because it's psychologically calming, not to mention humiliating.

pink underwear? really? what a weirdo.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/arti ... id=7930594

and the lady being seperated from her baby. heartbreaking.

Boxes&Books

TriumphantAngel wrote:

sixty minutes Australia, ran a story on this in the last 12 hours or so. the video is not up to watch yet but i just read the transcript.

i think Sherrif Joe Arpaio might have some underlying issues going on within himself. he calls himself the "toughest sherrif in America", and orders illegal immigrants who are detained, to wear pink underwear because it's psychologically calming, not to mention humiliating.

pink underwear? really? what a weirdo.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/arti ... id=7930594

and the lady being seperated from her baby. heartbreaking.

So this is where the donations go(aside from lawyers)! When the tea party folks donate millions of dollars it goes towards providing clean tighty pinkies to illegal immigrant..... On behalf of this American ... I apologize

Thanks for sharing......

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tonifig8 wrote:

So this is where the donations go(aside from lawyers)! When the tea party folks donate millions of dollars it goes towards providing clean tighty pinkies to illegal immigrant..... On behalf of this American ... I apologize

Thanks for sharing......

They're probably not even clean. :shock:

Boxes&Books

scb wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

So this is where the donations go(aside from lawyers)! When the tea party folks donate millions of dollars it goes towards providing clean tighty pinkies to illegal immigrant..... On behalf of this American ... I apologize

Thanks for sharing......

They're probably not even clean. :shock:

Now that's wrong.... I can't even imagine that.... 100+ degree weather in AZ! :shock: .... ...I feel sick....


Again, Australia I apologies that you had to see that... Not all American's have that type of wacky behavior...

What a sick puppy........not that there is anything wrong with wearing tighty pinkies, but those guys must be feeling a little uncomfortable around that sheriff, and maybe around each other..... :?

Godfather.

scb wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

I may be wrong here because I do not know the constitution word for word, but why should someone living in the United Staes ILLEGALY have constitutional rights? They are not a citizen so therefore the constitution wouldn't apply to them.

Am I getting confused or are we having this conversation in more than one thread? :?

This law violates the rights of the US CITIZENS who will be forced to repeatedly prove their citizenship because they are suspected of being here illegally.

we show ID as proof of citizenship all the time.

1. Pulled over by the police.
2. Making purchases on my department store credit card.
3. When I show up for a doctor's appointment.
4. When filling out a credit card or loan application.
5. When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport.
6. When applying for any kind of insurance.
7. When filling out college applications.
8. When donating blood.
9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
10. When making some debit purchases, especially if I'm out of state.
11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.
I'm sure there are more instances, but the point is that we citizens of the USA are required to prove who
we are nearly every day!
Why should people in this country illegally, be exempt!!!!!
Why shouldn't we guard our borders as closely as every other country in the world does?

OnTheEdge

scb wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

I may be wrong here because I do not know the constitution word for word, but why should someone living in the United Staes ILLEGALY have constitutional rights? They are not a citizen so therefore the constitution wouldn't apply to them.

Am I getting confused or are we having this conversation in more than one thread? :?

This law violates the rights of the US CITIZENS who will be forced to repeatedly prove their citizenship because they are suspected of being here illegally.

oh, well in that case shouldn't we leave it up to the citizens? and by the title of this post i'd say they're not too concerned about it. i haven't been in another thread with this conversation, i'll see if i can find it.

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Godfather. wrote:

scb wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

I may be wrong here because I do not know the constitution word for word, but why should someone living in the United Staes ILLEGALY have constitutional rights? They are not a citizen so therefore the constitution wouldn't apply to them.

Am I getting confused or are we having this conversation in more than one thread? :?

This law violates the rights of the US CITIZENS who will be forced to repeatedly prove their citizenship because they are suspected of being here illegally.

we show ID as proof of citizenship all the time.

1. Pulled over by the police.
2. Making purchases on my department store credit card.
3. When I show up for a doctor's appointment.
4. When filling out a credit card or loan application.
5. When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport.
6. When applying for any kind of insurance.
7. When filling out college applications.
8. When donating blood.
9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
10. When making some debit purchases, especially if I'm out of state.
11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.
I'm sure there are more instances, but the point is that we citizens of the USA are required to prove who
we are nearly every day!
Why should people in this country illegally, be exempt!!!!!
Why shouldn't we guard our borders as closely as every other country in the world does?

We're talking about proving citizenship, not showing ID. They are different. None of the things you listed above requires proof of citizenship. The only time I have to prove my citizenship is if I'm requesting some kind of benefit that is only available to citizens - NEVER do I have to defend my citizenship in my own country when I'm minding my own business.