96% support Arizona on MSNBC poll

unsung

So much for that Fox News bias.



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Electric_Delta

Wow, I'm surprised MSNBC would post the results of this since they hate Jan Brewer.

DarthSpacegrass

How does this internet poll remove Fox news' right wing bias?

murphyJammer

unsung wrote:

So much for that Fox News bias.



http://world-news.newsvine.com/_questio ... mmigration

I sincerely hope that you do not view polls like this, regardless of source, as a scientific measure of anything.

Cosmo

I would support Arizona's law... IF it were applied equally amongst Arizona's entire population. That is... EVERYONE in Arizona must carry proof of citizenship where ever they go... AND all receive the same punishment of they fail to provide the documentation... deportation to Mexico.
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And I hope that every 'Mexican looking' person that is an American Citizen and is asked by the police to prove their citizenship... sues the state of Arizona, the county of record, the city of record and the police department of the inquiring officer for 400 million dollars a pop. Because , NO AMERICAN Citizen should EVER have to face questioning by authorities on his/her citizenship... based purely on race or racial features... in the United States of America.

Open

Cosmo wrote:

I would support Arizona's law... IF it were applied equally amongst Arizona's entire population. That is... EVERYONE in Arizona must carry proof of citizenship where ever they go... AND all receive the same punishment of they fail to provide the documentation... deportation to Mexico.
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And I hope that every 'Mexican looking' person that is an American Citizen and is asked by the police to prove their citizenship... sues the state of Arizona, the county of record, the city of record and the police department of the inquiring officer for 400 million dollars a pop. Because , NO AMERICAN Citizen should EVER have to face questioning by authorities on his/her citizenship... based purely on race or racial features... in the United States of America.

Why is what you just said so hard or some people to understand...especially the people that claim to be against big government? Very well said...

aerial

If this law had anything to do with race the Governments lawsuit would include discrimination in there suit…..it is not even mention

Godfather.

cool !!!!!

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

aerial wrote:

If this law had anything to do with race the Governments lawsuit would include discrimination in there suit…..it is not even mention

yes but the federal government will claim it is an issue of supremacy stating that the federal government is superior to the state gov't and that it is the responsibility of the federal gov't to secure the borders, not the state, therefore AZ is claiming supremacy over the federal gov't and that is not legal. and on those grounds the feds will likely win.

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

aerial wrote:

If this law had anything to do with race the Governments lawsuit would include discrimination in there suit…..it is not even mention

yes but the federal government will claim it is an issue of supremacy stating that the federal government is superior to the state gov't and that it is the responsibility of the federal gov't to secure the borders, not the state, therefore AZ is claiming supremacy over the federal gov't and that is not legal. and on those grounds the feds will likely win.

WEll, if common sense plays into it, no way anyone finds the Federal Government claiming "supremacy" over anyone else on something like border control. It's funny, they haven't wanted to do the job for so long, except now that someone is trying something (something pretty stupid albeit) now they want to say ...hey that's our job!

Reminds me of a union worker that leaves a pile of trash on the ground. No big deal, until a non-union management employee grabs a broom to sweep it up and puts it in the trash.

Cosmo

cincybearcat wrote:

WEll, if common sense plays into it, no way anyone finds the Federal Government claiming "supremacy" over anyone else on something like border control. It's funny, they haven't wanted to do the job for so long, except now that someone is trying something (something pretty stupid albeit) now they want to say ...hey that's our job!

Reminds me of a union worker that leaves a pile of trash on the ground. No big deal, until a non-union management employee grabs a broom to sweep it up and puts it in the trash.

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Look at it this way...
How many (Southern) Border states are there? California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas? For the longest time, the other 46 states didn't give a shit about the 4 border states. And really, why should they have? Why should people living in Montana or Wyoming give a shit about problems in California or New Mexico?
So, there has NEVER been much of a fuss over the Southern Border... til NAFTA and September 11, 2001.
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Now... are you willing to divert your Ohio Federal tax dollars away from Ohio issues, such as water works systems, highway and traffic upgrades and maintenance, Ohio education funding so California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas can spend them to build security systems on their borders? Maybe you do... but how do you think Ohio, as a whole, would feel about Ohio taxes going to California?
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Does something need to be done? Yes.
Is it going to cost money? Yes.. tons of money.
Are you willing to pay for it in increased taxes?

unsung

Cosmo wrote:

I would support Arizona's law... IF it were applied equally amongst Arizona's entire population. That is... EVERYONE in Arizona must carry proof of citizenship where ever they go... AND all receive the same punishment of they fail to provide the documentation... deportation to Mexico.
...
And I hope that every 'Mexican looking' person that is an American Citizen and is asked by the police to prove their citizenship... sues the state of Arizona, the county of record, the city of record and the police department of the inquiring officer for 400 million dollars a pop. Because , NO AMERICAN Citizen should EVER have to face questioning by authorities on his/her citizenship... based purely on race or racial features... in the United States of America.

I carry ID everywhere I go now. If I'm in another country I carry ID there too. It is good common sense.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

So much for that Fox News bias.



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They should re-ask the question like this:
Are you willing to have your taxes increased to pay for increased border security?
Y/N

unsung

I'm willing to move our troops from Iraq to the US southern border. I'm guessing it will save the taxpayers money.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

I carry ID everywhere I go now. If I'm in another country I carry ID there too. It is good common sense.

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You carry your passport everywhere you go?
Because, you know... Drivers Licenses can be easily forged and they do not prove citizenship.
Passports and/or Birth Certificates.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

I'm willing to move our troops from Iraq to the US southern border. I'm guessing it will save the taxpayers money.

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But... won't they still be deployed? Or are they going to be stationed there with no pay?

unsung

If I'm in a foreign country I do.

unsung

Cosmo wrote:

unsung wrote:

I'm willing to move our troops from Iraq to the US southern border. I'm guessing it will save the taxpayers money.

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But... won't they still be deployed? Or are they going to be stationed there with no pay?

I think things would be cheaper having them in the US over somewhere across the planet.

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

unsung wrote:

I carry ID everywhere I go now. If I'm in another country I carry ID there too. It is good common sense.

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You carry your passport everywhere you go?
Because, you know... Drivers Licenses can be easily forged and they do not prove citizenship.
Passports and/or Birth Certificates.

when you are visiting another country arent you supposed to carry a passport and ID ?

Godfather.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

unsung wrote:

I'm willing to move our troops from Iraq to the US southern border. I'm guessing it will save the taxpayers money.

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But... won't they still be deployed? Or are they going to be stationed there with no pay?

I think things would be cheaper having them in the US over somewhere across the planet.

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Yes... that's true. But, that's not what I asked. I asked if they would still be 'Deployed'? And in which sort of capacity?
Besides... that has nothing to do with the question.
Are you willing to be taxed to pay for increased border security... Yes or No?...
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and let's combine the Identification Card thing with this...
You carry a passport while you are in a foriegn country... because you are required to carry a passport while in a foriegn country.
You previously stated that you carry an ID Card where ever you are (I'm presuming you mean, here in the U.S.). If you mean a drivers license... a drivers license does not prove citizenship. A Birth Certificate or a passport (which is issued based upon the Birth Certificate) does prove citizenship.
So... If the Arizona authorities question you on your citizenship and you do not produce a birth certificate or passport (only a Drivers License)... then, you should be put on a bus and driven to Mexico and dumped off.

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

aerial wrote:

If this law had anything to do with race the Governments lawsuit would include discrimination in there suit…..it is not even mention

yes but the federal government will claim it is an issue of supremacy stating that the federal government is superior to the state gov't and that it is the responsibility of the federal gov't to secure the borders, not the state, therefore AZ is claiming supremacy over the federal gov't and that is not legal. and on those grounds the feds will likely win.

WEll, if common sense plays into it, no way anyone finds the Federal Government claiming "supremacy" over anyone else on something like border control. It's funny, they haven't wanted to do the job for so long, except now that someone is trying something (something pretty stupid albeit) now they want to say ...hey that's our job!

Reminds me of a union worker that leaves a pile of trash on the ground. No big deal, until a non-union management employee grabs a broom to sweep it up and puts it in the trash.

WELL that is a legal concept in constitutional law, and that is what they will argue. there have been prior immigration cases decided on the concept of federal law being "supreme" to and overriding state laws, so do not expect this to be any different.