the death penalty

JonnyPistachio

btw just a tidbit,
by region, since 1977, there have been
1015 executions in the South
4 in the Northeast

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf

wolfamongwolves

cincybearcat wrote:

I could easily abandon my support of the death penalty if the risk to others was eliminated through the situation I described above.

Just to put things in a little bit of context here: I know there was a list of examples of convicted murderers who reoffended a few pages back, that sparked quite a bit of hysteria. But it's important to note the fact that murder has the lowest rates of recidivism of any crime. There have been studies that have shown that over 70% of released thieves have commited further robberies, as compared to just over 1% of released murder convicts.

Again, this supports the case for improving and reforming incarceration procedures, and really, really doesn't support the wholesale execution of murderers on the grounds that everyone is in danger as long as they're alive. That's simply not the case.

JonnyPistachio

ed243421 wrote:

i will never understand why they take the side of a murderer

i'm just gonna go ahead and assume you havent been along for the whole ride. Maybe read up a bit before you jump to conclusions.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I get that. that's why I put the "laughing smiley" at the end.

ajedigecko wrote:

no reason to apologize....just a simple attempt, at being consistant. i have a difficult time at this website, when trying to understand humour.

for the only reason being......in one post a person is serious, then immediately they become not serious.

chadwick

wolfamongwolves wrote:

chadwick (and OnTheEdge),

Quite frankly, chadwick, the more you go on about your little vigilante "fantasy in your head" (to use your own rather telling words!), the more I start to realise that the way you think is not so very different from that of the "garbage" you vilify.

For all your many posts, you have added precisely nothing of worth to the debate.

good morning to you, Sir.

wolfamongwolves

JonnyPistachio wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

i will never understand why they take the side of a murderer

i'm just gonna go ahead and assume you havent been along for the whole ride. Maybe read up a bit before you jump to conclusions.

I think that quote comes from quite a few pages back...

Don't know why it's popping back up here when it's been responded to so many times that it's obsolete now.

wolfamongwolves

chadwick wrote:

wolfamongwolves wrote:

chadwick (and OnTheEdge),

Quite frankly, chadwick, the more you go on about your little vigilante "fantasy in your head" (to use your own rather telling words!), the more I start to realise that the way you think is not so very different from that of the "garbage" you vilify.

For all your many posts, you have added precisely nothing of worth to the debate.

good morning to you, Sir.

Welcome back. Good to see you've been reading up.

chadwick

perfect bumper stickers... ready?

"death to scumbags"
"molest a child get a shotgun slug to the chest"
"rape & torture women and children, get a sword through the guts 13 times"

what else?

um...

"cruel, evil bullshit is not to be tolerated"
"child molesters should be hung until death"

anyone else have any other good fun bumper sticker ideas?

chadwick

wolfamongwolves wrote:

chadwick wrote:

wolfamongwolves wrote:

chadwick (and OnTheEdge),

Quite frankly, chadwick, the more you go on about your little vigilante "fantasy in your head" (to use your own rather telling words!), the more I start to realise that the way you think is not so very different from that of the "garbage" you vilify.

For all your many posts, you have added precisely nothing of worth to the debate.

good morning to you, Sir.

Welcome back. Good to see you've been reading up.

not all the longwinded posts get read in full

wolfamongwolves

chadwick wrote:

wolfamongwolves wrote:

chadwick wrote:

good morning to you, Sir.

Welcome back. Good to see you've been reading up.

not all the longwinded posts get read in full

I can see that from your last post. More barbarity. Nice.

chadwick

wolfamongwolves wrote:

I can see that from your last post. More barbarity. Nice.

believe this...

i am a full on gentleman
i love & am kind & gentle & harsh, a bit brash about somethings...

when evil bullshit rises its useless head
it is to be removed one way or another

simple shit

you can ask nicely... evil person please leave
they should be smart and go...

you can be nasty... dear evil monster, you hurt women and children
you are a scumbag
you would be better off without a pumping heart

dear woman beater
i like to fight
wanna fight?

see how simple it all is?

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

wolfamongwolves wrote:

I can see that from your last post. More barbarity. Nice.

believe this...

i am a full on gentleman
i love & am kind & gentle & harsh, a bit brash about somethings...

when evil bullshit rises its useless head
it is to be removed one way or another

simple shit

you can ask nicely... evil person please leave
they should be smart and go...

you can be nasty... dear evil monster, you hurt women and children
you are a scumbag
you would be better off without a pumping heart

dear woman beater
i like to fight
wanna fight?

see how simple it all is?

Godfather.

wolfamongwolves

chadwick wrote:

wolfamongwolves wrote:

I can see that from your last post. More barbarity. Nice.

believe this...

i am a full on gentleman
i love & am kind & gentle & harsh, a bit brash about somethings...

when evil bullshit rises its useless head
it is to be removed one way or another

simple shit

you can ask nicely... evil person please leave
they should be smart and go...

you can be nasty... dear evil monster, you hurt women and children
you are a scumbag
you would be better off without a pumping heart

dear woman beater
i like to fight
wanna fight?

see how simple it all is?

Or simple-minded?

cincybearcat

wolfamongwolves wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I could easily abandon my support of the death penalty if the risk to others was eliminated through the situation I described above.

Just to put things in a little bit of context here: I know there was a list of examples of convicted murderers who reoffended a few pages back, that sparked quite a bit of hysteria. But it's important to note the fact that murder has the lowest rates of recidivism of any crime. There have been studies that have shown that over 70% of released thieves have commited further robberies, as compared to just over 1% of released murder convicts.

Again, this supports the case for improving and reforming incarceration procedures, and really, really doesn't support the wholesale execution of murderers on the grounds that everyone is in danger as long as they're alive. That's simply not the case.

Do those numbers show any of the injuries/fatalities caused by murderers while in jail?

Also, I don't like that 1% because it is way more than it should be anyhow.

chadwick

wolfamongwolves wrote:

chadwick wrote:

wolfamongwolves wrote:

I can see that from your last post. More barbarity. Nice.

believe this...

i am a full on gentleman
i love & am kind & gentle & harsh, a bit brash about somethings...

when evil bullshit rises its useless head
it is to be removed one way or another

simple shit

you can ask nicely... evil person please leave
they should be smart and go...

you can be nasty... dear evil monster, you hurt women and children
you are a scumbag
you would be better off without a pumping heart

dear woman beater
i like to fight
wanna fight?

see how simple it all is?

Or simple-minded?

if you think that
that's cool

wolfamongwolves

cincybearcat wrote:

wolfamongwolves wrote:

Just to put things in a little bit of context here: I know there was a list of examples of convicted murderers who reoffended a few pages back, that sparked quite a bit of hysteria. But it's important to note the fact that murder has the lowest rates of recidivism of any crime. There have been studies that have shown that over 70% of released thieves have commited further robberies, as compared to just over 1% of released murder convicts.

Again, this supports the case for improving and reforming incarceration procedures, and really, really doesn't support the wholesale execution of murderers on the grounds that everyone is in danger as long as they're alive. That's simply not the case.

Do those numbers show any of the injuries/fatalities caused by murderers while in jail?

No, it doesn't. I don't know if there are studies like that, though I would also be interested to see them. My hunch would be that they wouldn't vary wildly from that.

cincybearcat wrote:

Also, I don't like that 1% because it is way more than it should be anyhow.

No, I don't like it either, but as both sides have pointed out, it's a flawed system. But it's hardly justification for killing all killers. Besides, it puts the hysteria that followed the list in a little more rational context.

wolfamongwolves

chadwick wrote:

wolfamongwolves wrote:

chadwick wrote:

believe this...

i am a full on gentleman
i love & am kind & gentle & harsh, a bit brash about somethings...

when evil bullshit rises its useless head
it is to be removed one way or another

simple shit

you can ask nicely... evil person please leave
they should be smart and go...

you can be nasty... dear evil monster, you hurt women and children
you are a scumbag
you would be better off without a pumping heart

dear woman beater
i like to fight
wanna fight?

see how simple it all is?

Or simple-minded?

if you think that
that's cool

I have stated what I think about the things you say. If you can't be bothered to read them, or don't want to, that's fine, I can't make you.
Most of the time I think you're going to extremes just trying to provoke a reaction - I hope so.
But I think the way you carry on is pretty childish, yes, and does you no favours. I think you do your position far more harm than good.
There it is. My opinion. Take it or leave it. I expect you'll leave it.

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Assuming that the death penalty was abolished completely in the US, how do yo guarantee the public the most dangerous never get out. It's obvious from another post that dangerous people have been released or escaped. Would you build a super max in a remote area? 24 hour lock down? Then the other question is when does an obvious dangerous person give up his rights.

if the US can establish a maximum security facilty like Guantanamo to house prisoners who have never been charged and never been given a trial, one would assume that they could build something similar in the good old USA to house convicted murderers. yeah?

this should go without saying, but leaving out the torture, sexual degradation and other revolting acts would be nice too.

ok.

thanks.

So...can we put them in a cell and not let them out ever? Have a small hole for food...have a toilet and a sink to wash...and never open the door (unless the cell needs maintenance, in which case they are brought immediately to another cell)? No TV, no other prisoners, no freedom to roam, no outside time, no exercise equipment? Is that cruel and unusual punishment? Oh, and no suicide watch either. Don't kill them, but certainly don't care if they do it to themselves.

I could easily abandon my support of the death penalty if the risk to others was eliminated through the situation I described above.

all of what you have listed in your post has occurred in the united states, and still does to this day. remember the hole in alcatraz? how about you google Tamms, a supermax here in illinois that has been sued by inmates and is being investigated by human rights groups, and tell us how humanely those prisoners were treated. my former roomate worked as a guard there and he has a hundred stories of abuse he has personally witnessed. he was not named in the lawsuit, but may have to testify at any hearings or trial. so since that happens today, you can abandon your support for the dp then?

chadwick

wolfamongwolves wrote:

I have stated what I think about the things you say. If you can't be bothered to read them, or don't want to, that's fine, I can't make you.
Most of the time I think you're going to extremes just trying to provoke a reaction - I hope so.
But I think the way you carry on is pretty childish, yes, and does you no favours. I think you do your position far more harm than good.
There it is. My opinion. Take it or leave it. I expect you'll leave it.

you have an opinion
oddly enough
i also have an opinion

my vote is to not cradle the worst of the worst
the worst of the worst get fried

also,
i am sorry some of my comments are a bit graphic
they are all true horrors that monsters have done

eyedclaar

I have learned that my views are often times dismissed as monstrous. I believe that humans are a plague, so if I have little use for most people, try to imagine how I feel about the true bastards in our midst. When I blame our species for the woeful condition and rapid deterioration of our planet, you’ll just have to forgive me for not placing the same emphasis on the importance of human life that some of you so clearly believe. Maybe it’s because I spend my time amongst the animals and have developed a far greater respect for their honesty, directness, and bravery in which they face life, pain, and death. A wolf pack wouldn’t tolerate anti-social behavior from one its own; they wouldn’t make excuses for brother who was once kicked in the head by a moose and since then has been biting family and acting crazy. You will say we are better than wolves, but that is something you will never convince me of, and I have all of human history on my side of the argument.
Have any of you ever killed anything with your own hands that was mortally wounded? Ever seen that last flicker of life go out in something’s eyes? I have and I seem to have a whole different relationship with life and death than most people. Hell, cancer took my father when I was a child and it was the best thing that could have happened to my family. See, he wasn’t a good man, and although I know what demon made him that way, it didn’t change the damage he was doing. Cancer stopped him from doing any more.
So, maybe your beliefs make you compassionate and wise. Maybe. Or, maybe they make you all too human, impractical, and without the will to do what is necessary. Not sure. All I can do is tell where I come from, and it’s a place most of you haven’t been.