Seattle officer punches girl in face during jaywalking stop

chadwick · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

I think the majority of people here believe the girls over reacted and deserve to be punished by the law.... But punching a woman/ teenage girl wasn't the smartest thing to do.... you might be ok with hitting women, but the majority of society is against Men hitting women.... especially with with a fist to the face....
The officer could have backed away and maced them or could have called for back up.... now he put the seattle police department in a bad position....and makes the girls appear like the victims....
He is a professional and is paid/trained to be that.... If you are ok with the officer punching the girls then you're ok with the officer shooting them down like dogs.... right?

hitting a woman is bullshit.
and no i am not ok with it.
this is not a domestic abuse call.
them two chics are fulla shit.

CJMST3K · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

I think the majority of people here believe the girls over reacted and deserve to be punished by the law.... But punching a woman/ teenage girl wasn't the smartest thing to do.... you might be ok with hitting women, but the majority of society is against Men hitting women.... especially with with a fist to the face....
The officer could have backed away and maced them or could have called for back up.... now he put the seattle police department in a bad position....and makes the girls appear like the victims....
He is a professional and is paid/trained to be that.... If you are ok with the officer punching the girls then you're ok with the officer shooting them down like dogs.... right?

But the reason had nothing, zero, ziltch to do with punishment.

He was trying to complete an arrest, and she jumped in and started assaulting him. ...so he ignored the first time, and she did it again. So he resolved it in a decisive, non-lethal way.

...and I'm totally ok with the officer shooting them down like dogs. :roll:

Backup would have been best. I'm 100% positive the officer would have preferred to have backup when that girl was assaulting him. But that girl was pushing him and pushing him, escalating things very fast, and backup doesn't show up in a 30 second time frame, let alone that it's hard to complete and arrest from a struggling person and handle a radio to call for backup.

And be it man or woman, if you start assaulting a police officer, I have no sympathy if they take a punch to stop the assault. Period.

Boxes&Books · June 2010

chadwick wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

I think the majority of people here believe the girls over reacted and deserve to be punished by the law.... But punching a woman/ teenage girl wasn't the smartest thing to do.... you might be ok with hitting women, but the majority of society is against Men hitting women.... especially with with a fist to the face....
The officer could have backed away and maced them or could have called for back up.... now he put the seattle police department in a bad position....and makes the girls appear like the victims....
He is a professional and is paid/trained to be that.... If you are ok with the officer punching the girls then you're ok with the officer shooting them down like dogs.... right?

hitting a woman is bullshit.
and no i am not ok with it.
this is not a domestic abuse call.
them two chics are fulla shit.

Your ok with the way the officer handled this situation .... striking a women with a fist to the face....
Your on both sides of the argument. I don't believe a women should be struck by a fist to the face by any man under any circumstance.... PERIOD!
If you are ok with the officer defending himself (based on this video) then you are ok with him shooting these "chicks", because if he claims his life was threaten ...then he could have defended his life by shooting.... and based on the video he didn't care who was around him because his focus were these women.... If his life was being threaten he should have called for back up... or pointed his gun.....
I am not making excuses for these women..... they are clearly in the wrong....

chadwick · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

Your ok with the way the officer handled this situation .... striking a women with a fist to the face....
Your on both sides of the argument. I don't believe a women should be struck by a fist to the face by any man under any circumstance.... PERIOD!
If you are ok with the officer defending himself (based on this video) then you are ok with him shooting these "chicks", because if he claims his life was threaten ...then he could have defended his life by shooting.... and based on the video he didn't care who was around him because his focus were these women.... If his life was being threaten he should have called for back up... or pointed his gun.....
I am not making excuses for these women..... they are clearly in the wrong....

i watched the video once.
i saw him on his police radio.
do we know what happened prior to the recording of this incident? no we do not.

you're blowing it out of proportion.

i have never harmed a woman in my life.
women and me are wonderful friends.

i see these two young women as idiotic overbearing little shits.

CJMST3K · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

I don't believe a women should be struck by a fist to the face by any man under any circumstance.... PERIOD!

...you have a huge hangup about this being a "man punching a woman" and how that is not right under any circumstance known to man. Ok... fine.

Hypothetical for you, based strictly on your statements.

Lets say the officer was female...

Boxes&Books · June 2010

CJMST3K wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

I think the majority of people here believe the girls over reacted and deserve to be punished by the law.... But punching a woman/ teenage girl wasn't the smartest thing to do.... you might be ok with hitting women, but the majority of society is against Men hitting women.... especially with with a fist to the face....
The officer could have backed away and maced them or could have called for back up.... now he put the seattle police department in a bad position....and makes the girls appear like the victims....
He is a professional and is paid/trained to be that.... If you are ok with the officer punching the girls then you're ok with the officer shooting them down like dogs.... right?

But the reason had nothing, zero, ziltch to do with punishment.

He was trying to complete an arrest, and she jumped in and started assaulting him. ...so he ignored the first time, and she did it again. So he resolved it in a decisive, non-lethal way.

...and I'm totally ok with the officer shooting them down like dogs. :roll:

Backup would have been best. I'm 100% positive the officer would have preferred to have backup when that girl was assaulting him. But that girl was pushing him and pushing him, escalating things very fast, and backup doesn't show up in a 30 second time frame, let alone that it's hard to complete and arrest from a struggling person and handle a radio to call for backup.

And be it man or woman, if you start assaulting a police officer, I have no sympathy if they take a punch to stop the assault. Period.

The video shows an officer trying to make an arrest... the minute he felt threaten...he should have taken a step back and pulled out his mace...at that point calling for back up... but the women were only pushing him off of them...so when the officer pressed, they pushed back...its not like the officer stepped back and they pressed him...... they were more defending themselves from the officer..... even though I believe they were in the wrong..... I just don't believe the officer should have punched a girl in the face.....If i were the chief of police I would suspend this officer and possibly fire him.....because I would only want professionals in my department.......also would only want real men in my department.... Real Men Don't Hit Women!

You and I see the world in different ways... and clearly see this video in a very different way.....

Boxes&Books · June 2010

chadwick wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Your ok with the way the officer handled this situation .... striking a women with a fist to the face....
Your on both sides of the argument. I don't believe a women should be struck by a fist to the face by any man under any circumstance.... PERIOD!
If you are ok with the officer defending himself (based on this video) then you are ok with him shooting these "chicks", because if he claims his life was threaten ...then he could have defended his life by shooting.... and based on the video he didn't care who was around him because his focus were these women.... If his life was being threaten he should have called for back up... or pointed his gun.....
I am not making excuses for these women..... they are clearly in the wrong....

i watched the video once.
i saw him on his police radio.
do we know what happened prior to the recording of this incident? no we do not.

you're blowing it out of proportion.

i have never harmed a woman in my life.
woman and me are wonderful friends.

i see these two young women as idiotic overbearing little shits.

Watch it again....with an open mind.... Yes the women are wrong....but think how this could have been handled better.... we want progress in the world.....
look around you....there are a lot of people who could potentially be threatening (to officer) ...but he had another priority ....he wanted to arrest these women regardless of his surroundings .....someone could have shot the officer from behind...but he wasn't thinking...which makes me think...he wasn't thinking, when he punched the girl....
I guess as a man, Punching a woman would never be an option .... which wouldn't be a reaction for me....
I would rather mace her and her friend..... keep them entertained with that till my back up shows up.

Boxes&Books · June 2010

CJMST3K wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

I don't believe a women should be struck by a fist to the face by any man under any circumstance.... PERIOD!

...you have a huge hangup about this being a "man punching a woman" and how that is not right under any circumstance known to man. Ok... fine.

Hypothetical for you, based strictly on your statements.

Lets say the officer was female...

Punching someone in the face is pretty serious.... if it had been a women officer in this situation ...I would have felt the same... You are a professional and you need to handle it like a professional .... you don't strike someone in the face....
Just a few weeks ago... a kid punched another kid in the face...knocked him out....and the kid died... kid was 14 years old.....
You are a professional ...trained .... act like one..

Yes it bothers me more that this was a kid and yes it bothers me more that it was a man striking a woman....

chadwick · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

Watch it again....with an open mind.... Yes the women are wrong....but think how this could have been handled better.... we want progress in the world.....
look around you....there are a lot of people who could potentially be threatening (to officer) ...but he had another priority ....he wanted to arrest these women regardless of his surroundings .....someone could have shot the officer from behind...but he wasn't thinking...which makes me think...he wasn't thinking, when he punched the girl....
I guess as a man, Punching a woman would never be an option .... which wouldn't be a reaction for me....
I would rather mace her and her friend..... keep them entertained with that till my back up shows up.

let's see...
pretend you're a cop in seattle.
seattle's a decent sized city.

let's say some crazy chic attacks you with a butcher knife.
she is stabbing you as fast and as hard as she can with a butcher knife.
all this because she was having a drunken fueled domestic abuse situation with her boy friend and you were called to deal with them so she decides to attack you with a 10 inch blade.

good times...

punch her lights out or shoot her or mace her or club the fuckin maniac?

btw, im sure this happens pretty much all the time.

CJMST3K · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

I don't believe a women should be struck by a fist to the face by any man under any circumstance.... PERIOD!

...you have a huge hangup about this being a "man punching a woman" and how that is not right under any circumstance known to man. Ok... fine.

Hypothetical for you, based strictly on your statements.

Lets say the officer was female...

Punching someone in the face is pretty serious.... if it had been a women officer in this situation ...I would have felt the same... You are a professional and you need to handle it like a professional .... you don't strike someone in the face....
Just a few weeks ago... a kid punched another kid in the face...knocked him out....and the kid died... kid was 14 years old.....
You are a professional ...trained .... act like one..

Yes it bothers me more that this was a kid and yes it bothers me more that it was a man striking a woman....

Ok... so let's say female officer and male person assaulting the female officer.

CJMST3K · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

but the women were only pushing him off of them...

That is called resisting arrest.
The woman (one woman) who he was attempting to arrest was not cooperating. Did he punch her? Nope.

tonifig8 wrote:

so when the officer pressed, they pushed back...its not like the officer stepped back and they pressed him......

Incorrect. The woman in pink was not physically involved in this.
Then she pushed the officer about 4 times.

She jumped in and physically assaulted her with her hands. He stopped her, with his hands.

tonifig8 wrote:

also would only want real men in my department....

So you are against women on the police force? Wow, that's just sad and sexist.

Boxes&Books · June 2010

chadwick wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Watch it again....with an open mind.... Yes the women are wrong....but think how this could have been handled better.... we want progress in the world.....
look around you....there are a lot of people who could potentially be threatening (to officer) ...but he had another priority ....he wanted to arrest these women regardless of his surroundings .....someone could have shot the officer from behind...but he wasn't thinking...which makes me think...he wasn't thinking, when he punched the girl....
I guess as a man, Punching a woman would never be an option .... which wouldn't be a reaction for me....
I would rather mace her and her friend..... keep them entertained with that till my back up shows up.

let's see...
pretend you're a cop in seattle.
seattle's a decent sized city.

let's say some crazy chic attacks you with a butcher knife.
she is stabbing you as fast and as hard as she can with a butcher knife.
all this because she was having a drunken fueled domestic abuse situation with her boy friend and you were called to deal with them so she decides to attack you with a 10 inch blade.

good times...

punch her lights out or shoot her or mace her or club the fuckin maniac?

btw, im sure this happens pretty much all the time.

That's a pretty serious situation... I am not a professional.... but I'll try... I would mace her, tase her(dont know the law), push her down, wrestle her down, flip her with a karate move, club her (body), or run!
I mean I just don't punch women .... that's just me... and this situation didn't appear to be life threatening, at least in the video.... the girls weren't attacking the officer (he must have felt differently about that), they were removing his hands from them.... no weapons were involved.... He could have pushed them off and then pulled out the mace.....

norm · June 2010

punching a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = bad

inducing 50,000 volts or spraying poison at a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = good

glad that's all sorted out :?

eyedclaar · June 2010

norm wrote:

punching a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = bad

inducing 50,000 volts or spraying poison at a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = good

glad that's all sorted out :?

That's what I've been thinking. Honestly, I'll take the punch to the face over being tazed or maced any time. Getting punched usually just wakes you up a bit. The other two will fuckin' make your day pretty goddamn miserable.

Boxes&Books · June 2010

CJMST3K wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

but the women were only pushing him off of them...

That is called resisting arrest.
The woman (one woman) who he was attempting to arrest was not cooperating. Did he punch her? Nope.

tonifig8 wrote:

so when the officer pressed, they pushed back...its not like the officer stepped back and they pressed him......

Incorrect. The woman in pink was not physically involved in this.
Then she pushed the officer about 4 times.

She jumped in and physically assaulted her with her hands. He stopped her, with his hands.

tonifig8 wrote:

also would only want real men in my department....

So you are against women on the police force? Wow, that's just sad and sexist.

I am not sexist... don't try and change this... I was directly speaking about men...
Dude... you see the video one way I see it another way....
My point ... MY POINT is that it could have been handled a different way...and based on the video the officer clearly didn't feel threaten, because their was plenty of people around him who could have easily gotten involved ...and he had no regard for them... he wanted to make the arrest and couldn't.... because he was to busy going back and forth with these women..... he should have just maced the two of them .....and contained them....... That's my point.... handle it like a professional.... look at the video carefully and see how you would have handled it....

You are ok with men punching woman ... I am not... You said it yourself... regardless of the situation.... I wont punch a woman ...
we'll see how this plays out in court....

norm · June 2010

eyedclaar wrote:

norm wrote:

punching a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = bad

inducing 50,000 volts or spraying poison at a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = good

glad that's all sorted out :?

That's what I've been thinking. Honestly, I'll take the punch to the face over being tazed or maced any time. Getting punched usually just wakes you up a bit. The other two will fuckin' make your day pretty goddamn miserable.

yes but you're a man (supposedly)...now if you're a woman, you can beat the shit out of any man you want and that man must sit there and take it...i love learning on the MT!

chadwick · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

That's a pretty serious situation... I am not a professional.... but I'll try... I would mace her, tase her(dont know the law), push her down, wrestle her down, flip her with a karate move, club her (body), or run!
I mean I just don't punch women .... that's just me... and this situation didn't appear to be life threatening, at least in the video.... the girls weren't attacking the officer (he must have felt differently about that), they were removing his hands from them.... no weapons were involved.... He could have pushed them off and then pulled out the mace.....

you come across like some of us hit women.
i can't speak for anyone here except myself, i have not ever harmed a female.
i may have broke some hearts but i've not ever abused a woman,,, ever.
women know they're safe with me.

chadwick · June 2010

eyedclaar wrote:

norm wrote:

punching a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = bad

inducing 50,000 volts or spraying poison at a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = good

glad that's all sorted out :?

That's what I've been thinking. Honestly, I'll take the punch to the face over being tazed or maced any time. Getting punched usually just wakes you up a bit. The other two will fuckin' make your day pretty goddamn miserable.

mr. eyed, sir...
i've read on here where some ppl have never punched anyone in the mug ever before in the history of the galaxy...

i personally find that odd.
what do you think?

eyedclaar · June 2010

chadwick wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

That's a pretty serious situation... I am not a professional.... but I'll try... I would mace her, tase her(dont know the law), push her down, wrestle her down, flip her with a karate move, club her (body), or run!
I mean I just don't punch women .... that's just me... and this situation didn't appear to be life threatening, at least in the video.... the girls weren't attacking the officer (he must have felt differently about that), they were removing his hands from them.... no weapons were involved.... He could have pushed them off and then pulled out the mace.....

you come across like some of us hit women.
i can't speak for anyone here except myself, i have not ever harmed a female.
i may have broke some hearts but i've not ever abused a woman,,, ever.
women know they're safe with me.

Now children on the other hand... :twisted:

Boxes&Books · June 2010

norm wrote:

punching a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = bad

inducing 50,000 volts or spraying poison at a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = good

glad that's all sorted out :?

the officer clearly wasn't to concerned about a weapon because he kept going back and forth with the two of them... first with one girl ..then with the other.... moving them around all over the place...people directly behind you, who knows what their intentions are.... yet your only concern is taking these girls down... no regard for the safety of yourself or others.... get on the radio call for back up and contain them..... mace the girls...and keep them under control...obviously this wasn't under control

Seattle officer punches girl in face during jaywalking stop

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