There are 10-20 MALES standing around watching what is happening in that video....Right???
How come none of them pushed the police officer??
How come none of them got involved???
How come none of them went to the aid of the poor defenseless female?????
Just curious.....
I want to hear what you think the reason is.....
Because they were afraid..... Black man getting involved with police? come on ... That girl was punched.... if they had gotten involved ..someone would have been shot!
There are 10-20 MALES standing around watching what is happening in that video....Right???
How come none of them pushed the police officer??
How come none of them got involved???
How come none of them went to the aid of the poor defenseless female?????
Just curious.....
I want to hear what you think the reason is.....
Because they were afraid..... Black man getting involved with police? come on ... That girl was punched.... if they had gotten involved ..someone would have been shot!
So you say the reason they didnt get involved....
Is because they would have been shot.....
Ok....
Anyone else have a reason why the Males didnt get involved????
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There are 10-20 MALES standing around watching what is happening in that video....Right???
How come none of them pushed the police officer??
How come none of them got involved???
How come none of them went to the aid of the poor defenseless female?????
Just curious.....
I want to hear what you think the reason is.....
Because they were afraid..... Black man getting involved with police? come on ... That girl was punched.... if they had gotten involved ..someone would have been shot!
So you say the reason they didnt get involved....
Is because they would have been shot.....
Ok....
Anyone else have a reason why the Males didnt get involved????
In this specific case.... I believe they were afraid to get involved with something like this.... I am sure some of them must have believed that the girls were in the wrong.... But after they were punched it must have triggered something with in them... they must have felt that brutality... ... to me, seeing a white cop punch a teenage black girl brings back memories of history.... But that's just me ... and those guys could have felt that they were better off recording or being witnesses ..... don't know....I'm just glad they didn't get involved.... That should work in the girls favor....during court.....
At the end of this ... I believe the cop should be suspended....maybe fired... and the girls shouldn't receive squat! They over reacted ... They should have to do some serious community service...but the officer should not be let off easy either....because he should have never punched a teenage girl..... that is for sure! I don't care if multiple teenage girl's were attacking him.... He should never hit a teenage girl...... take a step back...call for back up ....
In this specific case.... I believe they were afraid to get involved with something like this.... I am sure some of them must have believed that the girls were in the wrong.... But after they were punched it must have triggered something with in them... they must have felt that brutality... ... to me, seeing a white cop punch a teenage black girl brings back memories of history.... But that's just me ... and those guys could have felt that they were better off recording or being witnesses ..... don't know....I'm just glad they didn't get involved.... That should work in the girls favor....during court.....
Yeah...
Those girls will need all the help they can get....
Resisting arrest.....
FELONY assault of a police officer.....
I bet they wished they had just shut their mouths and taken the $50 ticket for jaywalking....
But you are right....
Those girls are going to need all the help they can get.......
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OHHHHH CRAP I just watched the vid lol!!!!!!! still laughing my azz off,,what where those girls thinking ?
if that were young men there would have been some serious azz whooping going on,the girls got off ez IMO.
At the end of this ... I believe the cop should be suspended....maybe fired... and the girls shouldn't receive squat! They over reacted ... They should have to do some serious community service...but the officer should not be let off easy either....because he should have never punched a teenage girl..... that is for sure! I don't care if multiple teenage girl's were attacking him.... He should never hit a teenage girl...... take a step back...call for back up ....
I disagree, I just watched the vid and the girls blew it bigtime.did you see the size of that teen girl ? I'll bet she would wip yer butt
Why not just take a ticket for jaywalking and be done with it?
because a police ticket = aggression = invasion = evil = soulless = brainless = government invasion = nazis.... mmmmm-kay?
Ok, why not take the soulless, brainless, government invasion, nazi ticket then?
...really, it's just a piece of paper.
That piece of paper can be discussed in front of a judge, and the person ticketed can explain to the judge why them getting a ticket is worse than the oil spill, and whatnot. And if the judge doesn't agree with them, then they can have a petition signed to repeal the jaywalking laws on that street.
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At the end of this ... I believe the cop should be suspended....maybe fired... and the girls shouldn't receive squat! They over reacted ... They should have to do some serious community service...but the officer should not be let off easy either....because he should have never punched a teenage girl..... that is for sure! I don't care if multiple teenage girl's were attacking him.... He should never hit a teenage girl...... take a step back...call for back up ....
he isn't going to lose his job.
he is going to be applauded and shown a better way of dealing with nut cases.
giving jaywalking tickets is uncalled for in my eyes but having said that - you just can't resist a police officer ... what i found interesting was none of the guys stepped in ... they knew the drill ... just relax ... that cop sucked balls tho also - he couldn't contain the one girl (hoping because he was trying not to hurt her) ...
sad on all counts ...
Jay walking seems silly, but part of a cops duties is to protect and serve and i see it all the time when people dart out in the street and many times with kids in tow and in many cases the proper crossing is usually only a short walk away. I agree a ticket is not necessary but letting people know that it could be dangerous could be a big help.
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At the end of this ... I believe the cop should be suspended....maybe fired... and the girls shouldn't receive squat! They over reacted ... They should have to do some serious community service...but the officer should not be let off easy either....because he should have never punched a teenage girl..... that is for sure! I don't care if multiple teenage girl's were attacking him.... He should never hit a teenage girl...... take a step back...call for back up ....
he isn't going to lose his job.
he is going to get applauded and shown a better way of dealing with nut cases.
I'm not saying he should lose his job, but something serious should come out of this..... Because no Man Should ever punch a women....especially in the face! Even if it's self defense....push her away ...handle it professionally...
What if the Officer called her a "Nigger"(excuse my language)? Would that merit discharge? Black people might see it as a racially motivated act. I think he should be suspended and should be investigated to the fullest extent....
You just don't punch teenagers or people in the face....
I am not defending these girls...I just don't believe they should have been punched in the face...
I'm not saying he should lose his job, but something serious should come out of this..... Because no Man Should ever punch a women....especially in the face! Even if it's self defense....
So... if a woman has a gun, punching a woman is out of the question?
I'm not saying she had a gun, but there ARE circumstances where punching a woman in the face is perfectly acceptable.
Notice, he didn't punch the girl he was spending all that time trying to arrest. She was being uncooperative, and he was trying to get her to put her arms behind her back. She continued to resist, and he continued trying to get her arm behind her back. Did he slug her? Nope.
The other girl started shoving the officer. Out numbered, and with this girl physically assaulting him, I can understand his actions of punching her. What is he supposed to do? Let her continue to shove him? It wasn't about to get easier for him to complete the arrest. She was assaulting him and preventing him from an arrest, so he did what he had to to stop her.
It's hard to arrest one person who is resisting, and push away someone else who is pushing you. He handled it professionally when he was going to write a ticket. When they chose to ignore his instructions, they were the ones who escalated it.
You just don't punch teenagers or people in the face....
I agree. You just don't punch teenagers, children, nor adults in the face. There has to be a reason, and shoving an officer several times seems reasonable the officer would need to react to stop their behavior.
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I'm not saying he should lose his job, but something serious should come out of this..... Because no Man Should ever punch a women....especially in the face! Even if it's self defense....
So... if a woman has a gun, punching a woman is out of the question?
I'm not saying she had a gun, but there ARE circumstances where punching a woman in the face is perfectly acceptable.
Notice, he didn't punch the girl he was spending all that time trying to arrest. She was being uncooperative, and he was trying to get her to put her arms behind her back. She continued to resist, and he continued trying to get her arm behind her back. Did he slug her? Nope.
The other girl started shoving the officer. Out numbered, and with this girl physically assaulting him, I can understand his actions of punching her. What is he supposed to do? Let her continue to shove him? It wasn't about to get easier for him to complete the arrest. She was assaulting him and preventing him from an arrest, so he did what he had to to stop her.
It's hard to arrest one person who is resisting, and push away someone else who is pushing you. He handled it professionally when he was going to write a ticket. When they chose to ignore his instructions, they were the ones who escalated it.
You just don't punch teenagers or people in the face....
I agree. You just don't punch teenagers, children, nor adults in the face. There has to be a reason, and shoving an officer several times seems reasonable the officer would need to react to stop their behavior.
You didn't want to make a hypothetical example and you used one at the beginning.... Ok.... What could have been done better?
Do you think if the cop would have called for back up right away ...all of this could have been avoided? That's my point...
I personally don't believe a teenage girl should have been punched in the face...if she had pulled out a gun....I am sure he wouldn't be thinking -punch her in the face-....it would have been,- go after the gun-...
I am not on the side of the girls.... I think they over reacted and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law....But we pay these officers a lot of money to be professional ..and that isn't being professional.... I don't know what was said that might have triggered the girls ....or the full story...but bottom line is that they should have not been punched in the face...... Especially a teenage girl.... push them away ...pull out your mace and threaten to mace them.....while doing that use your radio to call for back up.... That's how I would have handled it....No shame in that ...
I'm not saying he should lose his job, but something serious should come out of this..... Because no Man Should ever punch a women....especially in the face! Even if it's self defense....push her away ...handle it professionally...
What if the Officer called her a "Nigger"(excuse my language)? Would that merit discharge? Black people might see it as a racially motivated act. I think he should be suspended and should be investigated to the fullest extent....
You just don't punch teenagers or people in the face....
I am not defending these girls...I just don't believe they should have been punched in the face...
As a woman I would normally agree with you about never punching a woman. However, at that point the officer was not dealing with a woman; he was dealing with someone who just physically assaulted an armed officer of the law. He did what was necessary. He struck her once to stun her and then barrelled into her to throw her off balance and prevent a subsequent attack from her. By asserting control over the situation in a firm and unexpected manner he was thankfully prevented from having to use a more agressive method of control.
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Next time you jay walk... make sure there isn't a cop around. If there is... use the goddamn crosswalk.
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I'm not saying he should lose his job, but something serious should come out of this..... Because no Man Should ever punch a women....especially in the face! Even if it's self defense....push her away ...handle it professionally...
What if the Officer called her a "Nigger"(excuse my language)? Would that merit discharge? Black people might see it as a racially motivated act. I think he should be suspended and should be investigated to the fullest extent....
You just don't punch teenagers or people in the face....
I am not defending these girls...I just don't believe they should have been punched in the face...
As a woman I would normally agree with you about never punching a woman. However, at that point the officer was not dealing with a woman; he was dealing with someone who just physically assaulted an armed officer of the law. He did what was necessary. He struck her once to stun her and then barrelled into her to throw her off balance and prevent a subsequent attack from her. By asserting control over the situation in a firm and unexpected manner he was thankfully prevented from having to use a more agressive method of control.
He couldn't have pushed her? Being much stronger then her.... he couldn't have maced her? ... He couldn't have taken a step back and called for back up? ...
Again ... I am not trying to let these girls off the hook.... I am talking about the officers actions...
If he would have shot her... would that have been ok? Since he felt threatened and was defending himself?
I just don't believe a man should punch a women in the face...especially a teenage girl... ... If my teenage niece was pushing me...and I felt threaten ...Should I punch her in the face?
He is engaged with one girl, and second is grabbing him, what happens if a 3rd person grabs his gun while he's tied up?
had her or a 3rd person tried to grab his gun this would be a point, however.....what happened was a group of young girls were being detained for jaywalking.
sure she probably shouldn't have grabbed his arm but what would've happened if he had let her arm go? at the most she might run off and -gasp- jaywalk another day!? :shock: seriously, is that the argument?
secondly the cop didn't even have his back turned when this happened, so it's not like he thought someone was trying to grab his gun or anything, he got pissed and punched her. he wasn't in fear for his life or unsure of what might happen next.
i say the cop is a jackass and needs to stop being such a pussy and get his quota doing real police work :thumbdown:
IT WAS FUCKING JAYWALKING to go to such lengths to detain people over that is just fucking stupid. how many of you don't wear your seat belts? i would like to see a cop detain you at his car with his hand on your neck for jaywalking or not wearing your seatbelt or something really small. i'm sure you guys would be on here bitching about what a dick he was for going to all that trouble over such a small infraction
protect and serve - who was he protecting?
what about people who rip the tags off their mattress?
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I wasn't trying to rationalize their behavior. I just don't like seeing the police spend their resources on raping the taxpayers when there are more serious threats then people crossing the street illegally.
I'll reiterate what I said on the AET thread regarding this incident
had her or a 3rd person tried to grab his gun this would be a point, however.....what happened was a group of young girls were being detained for jaywalking.
sure she probably shouldn't have grabbed his arm but what would've happened if he had let her arm go? at the most she might run off and -gasp- jaywalk another day!? :shock: seriously, is that the argument?
secondly the cop didn't even have his back turned when this happened, so it's not like he thought someone was trying to grab his gun or anything, he got pissed and punched her. he wasn't in fear for his life or unsure of what might happen next.
i say the cop is a jackass and needs to stop being such a pussy and get his quota doing real police work :thumbdown:
IT WAS FUCKING JAYWALKING to go to such lengths to detain people over that is just fucking stupid. how many of you don't wear your seat belts? i would like to see a cop detain you at his car with his hand on your neck for jaywalking or not wearing your seatbelt or something really small. i'm sure you guys would be on here bitching about what a dick he was for going to all that trouble over such a small infraction
protect and serve - who was he protecting?
what about people who rip the tags off their mattress?
Um, actually that's what he was doing. He was enforcing a law (or by-law). Just because a law seems inconsequential to you doesn't mean that it shouldn't be enforced (that goes for seatbelts violations and speeding tickets as well).
The simple fact is she is the one that caused the situation. Hell, if she'd cooperated in the beginning, she probably could have gone to court to contest the citation. Chances are he wouldn't have showed up in court and she probably could have gotten out of the ticket. Regardless, she is responsible for her actions. The girl isn't stupid, just wilfull, entitled and ignorant. The one that jumped in between the arresting officer and the suspect, on the other-hand, had more courage than brains at the moment. Not exactly a good combination when dealing with someone who is a lawful police officer and armed to boot.
I'll also add some stats regarding jaywalking in that particular area
The incident happened at Martin Luther King Jr. Way South near the arterial's intersection with Rainier Avenue South, in the vicinity of Franklin High School.
A Seattle transportation department plan released in 2006 called for Seattle police pedestrian-safety patrols to target jaywalking, particularly near Franklin High and north of South McClellan Street by the Lowe's hardware store.
Between 2002 and 2006 more jaywalkers were hit by vehicles on Rainier Avenue South than in any other corridor in the city.
During that period, 61 pedestrians were struck while jaywalking on Rainier Avenue South -- nearly double the number of accidents on Aurora Avenue North, which had the second highest number of jaywalkers hit with 35, according to Seattle Transportation Department records.
Also during that period, 23 other jaywalkers were hit in the South End, on Martin Luther King Jr. Way South and on Beacon Avenue South. Those roads also accounted for 126 pedestrian accidents at intersections.
There were six jaywalking accidents on Aurora Avenue North in the several blocks south of North 125th Street between 2002 and 2006, tying that short stretch of roadway with Rainier Avenue South between South Hudson Street and 39th Avenue South for the highest number of jaywalking collisions in the city.
Between 2006 and 2006, the State Department of Transportation launched the Washington State Corridor Safety Program.
I don't see a paid civil servant doing his/her job of attempting to protect the lives and limbs, of both jaywalkers and motorists, as, "raping the taxpayers." In fact, the behaviour of the girls wasted valuable time and resources of the Seattle PD especially when they could have been out dealing "with more serious threats" as you put it.
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actually he would have shown up because they usually do all their court dates on the same day, whenever a cop goes out he has the day already scheduled to be in court for whatever he writes a ticket for (unless it's something you get arrested for)
of course their actions weren't the best, but who knows what was going on before the camera, as the guy is walking over you hear her yelling for him to get his hand off her neck. why would his hand be on her neck? was he trying to search her? if a cop tried to search me for jaywalking i'd be mad, too as it would be violating the 4th amendment.
i don't see how punching a girl in the face helped this situation at all. i also don't see how the situation would've been worse had he not punched a girl in the face. so it's an over reaction. certainly they should have gone about it in a better way, unless it was a situation in which he was trying to search her without reasonable cause in which case i'd say they have a right to resist but there are better ways than punching her in the face.
also, i can guarantee you if someone in this forum got a ticket for jaywalking and posted that here 99.9% of the people would be saying what a waste of time it was to go after them for that. and if that person said they were detained at the cops car with his hand on their neck i'm sure just as many would say it was an overreaction
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He couldn't have pushed her? Being much stronger then her.... he couldn't have maced her? ... He couldn't have taken a step back and called for back up? ...
Again ... I am not trying to let these girls off the hook.... I am talking about the officers actions...
If he would have shot her... would that have been ok? Since he felt threatened and was defending himself?
I just don't believe a man should punch a women in the face...especially a teenage girl... ... If my teenage niece was pushing me...and I felt threaten ...Should I punch her in the face?
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Her actions escalated the situation from a routine traffic violation (yes, jaywalking is in the vehicle code (at least in California it is)) to one that results in an arrest.
With the crowd gathering, his option to wrestle her to the ground to subdue her becomes risky. Bad thing can happen to you when your head is down where a kick can take you out.
Options... mace, taser, nightstick, gun. She should be glad he chose fist... because the others are far worse.
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I feel that in todays day and age the general population is so quick to cry police brutality, racism, etc... Like any other profession, there are good cops and bad cops. Of course there are racist cops, just like there are racist doctors, teachers, and garbage men. If I get pulled over by the police I still shut my car off and put my keys on top of the car. There needs to be a sense of respect when dealing with police. I think a lot of situations, like this one, are created when people start mouthing off and being disrespectful even before the cop approaches their window. Like it or not, the race card is played constantly, and it is not always warranted. My cops are the NYPD, so I often here of police brutality and we are probably second to the LAPD with that. It is not the profession, it's the person. In defense of police, being that I have numerous friends on the NYPD, they deal with a lot of shit!! A LOT!! Someone wrote here "Fuck da Police, all of em". Yeah, very mature. Nowadays, the criminal has too many rights. In NYC there is now a proposal "shoot to injure" and not "shoot to kill". Explain that to the family of a cop killed by a low-life kid selling drug dealer who didnt think twice of putting a bullet in his head. This whole cop stuff will never end. I know I would never want to be one.
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actually he would have shown up because they usually do all their court dates on the same day, whenever a cop goes out he has the day already scheduled to be in court for whatever he writes a ticket for (unless it's something you get arrested for)
of course their actions weren't the best, but who knows what was going on before the camera, as the guy is walking over you hear her yelling for him to get his hand off her neck. why would his hand be on her neck? was he trying to search her? if a cop tried to search me for jaywalking i'd be mad, too as it would be violating the 4th amendment.
i don't see how punching a girl in the face helped this situation at all. i also don't see how the situation would've been worse had he not punched a girl in the face. so it's an over reaction. certainly they should have gone about it in a better way, unless it was a situation in which he was trying to search her without reasonable cause in which case i'd say they have a right to resist but there are better ways than punching her in the face.
also, i can guarantee you if someone in this forum got a ticket for jaywalking and posted that here 99.9% of the people would be saying what a waste of time it was to go after them for that. and if that person said they were detained at the cops car with his hand on their neck i'm sure just as many would say it was an overreaction
He couldn't have pushed her? Being much stronger then her.... he couldn't have maced her? ... He couldn't have taken a step back and called for back up? ...
Again ... I am not trying to let these girls off the hook.... I am talking about the officers actions...
If he would have shot her... would that have been ok? Since he felt threatened and was defending himself?
I just don't believe a man should punch a women in the face...especially a teenage girl... ... If my teenage niece was pushing me...and I felt threaten ...Should I punch her in the face?
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Her actions escalated the situation from a routine traffic violation (yes, jaywalking is in the vehicle code (at least in California it is)) to one that results in an arrest.
With the crowd gathering, his option to wrestle her to the ground to subdue her becomes risky. Bad thing can happen to you when your head is down where a kick can take you out.
Options... mace, taser, nightstick, gun. She should be glad he chose fist... because the others are far worse.
How about stepping back ....and calling for back up? Is that to much to ask? Or was this equal to a bank robbery ....where the officer had to take immediate action?
come on man... He simply shouldn't have punched her.... he didn't need to wrestle with her especially after the other girl started getting involved... I guess if you're daughter was being grabbed by the neck you would just stood back and allow it to happen....I am not arguing the reason for the ticket.... the girls were clearly in the wrong, but the officer should have never clinched his fist and struck the teenager...
I just think it could have been handled differently ....where maybe the police officer could have been the victim ...now it looks like the girl was the victim.....
People wouldn't resist police orders if the police did it in a way that was: non-harassing, did not display aggressive behavior or tone, and police were decent people who actually know how to communicate with other people. In other words, rational people who don't get off on a power trip of being a police officer.
I have never punched anyone in the face in my life. And I have told myself to avoid it at all circumstances.
However, if that were my daughter or neice (or anyone I know), I would be upset at the situation, but I would be more ashamed that I raised someone that didn't know how to handle themselves around the police. That girl was out of line. Who knows, that officer could've been scared being surrounded and just reacted. I really don't think he needed to punch her, but he was being assulted and the other girl was resisting. And it doesnt matter at that point if she robbed a bank, was jaywalking, or speeding, the girls were wrong, and the situation could have been avoided.
Also, I don't think anyone commented yet...was he either going really easy on them (aside from the punch), or was he just really weak and unable to subdue her?? He looked to be about 5 foot 2 inches tall (and really weak or drunk, ahaha , so maybe he feels more threatened than a larger man would.
People wouldn't resist police orders if the police did it in a way that was: non-harassing, did not display aggressive behavior or tone, and police were decent people who actually know how to communicate with other people. In other words, rational people who don't get off on a power trip of being a police officer.
it's just a viscious cycle though. I think some officers get that way because they start of rational and communicate with decency, but encounter too many criminals and law-breakers who just have a problem with authority. I've seen it a million times. People will always resist the police, even if the police act perfectly. There are just those types of people out there unfortunately.
There are a few who are on a power trip, but that is not the majority. Sadly, it's that minority of power-trip officers who give them a bad name and do cause fear in people. I have personally even encountered a very awful, powertrip jerk of an officer, and it turned out to be no problem. You just have to know how to deal with them.
People wouldn't resist police orders if the police did it in a way that was: non-harassing, did not display aggressive behavior or tone, and police were decent people who actually know how to communicate with other people. In other words, rational people who don't get off on a power trip of being a police officer.
it's just a viscious cycle though. I think some officers get that way because they start of rational and communicate with decency, but encounter too many criminals and law-breakers who just have a problem with authority. I've seen it a million times. People will always resist the police, even if the police act perfectly. There are just those types of people out there unfortunately.
There are a few who are on a power trip, but that is not the majority. Sadly, it's that minority of power-trip officers who give them a bad name and do cause fear in people. I have personally even encountered a very awful, powertrip jerk of an officer, and it turned out to be no problem. You just have to know how to deal with them.
You're right, it goes for both sides. Apparently people everywhere have problems with being rational and able to communicate effectively.
But I've seen more cops being arrogant bastards than decent cops. Why should we know how to deal with them? They're in a "people" field. They should have to know how to communicate effectively, as part of their job.
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Because they were afraid..... Black man getting involved with police? come on ... That girl was punched.... if they had gotten involved ..someone would have been shot!
Is because they would have been shot.....
Ok....
Anyone else have a reason why the Males didnt get involved????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
In this specific case.... I believe they were afraid to get involved with something like this.... I am sure some of them must have believed that the girls were in the wrong.... But after they were punched it must have triggered something with in them... they must have felt that brutality... ... to me, seeing a white cop punch a teenage black girl brings back memories of history.... But that's just me ... and those guys could have felt that they were better off recording or being witnesses ..... don't know....I'm just glad they didn't get involved.... That should work in the girls favor....during court.....
they aren't stupid?
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Those girls will need all the help they can get....
Resisting arrest.....
FELONY assault of a police officer.....
I bet they wished they had just shut their mouths and taken the $50 ticket for jaywalking....
But you are right....
Those girls are going to need all the help they can get.......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
if that were young men there would have been some serious azz whooping going on,the girls got off ez IMO.
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I disagree, I just watched the vid and the girls blew it bigtime.did you see the size of that teen girl ? I'll bet she would wip yer butt
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Ok, why not take the soulless, brainless, government invasion, nazi ticket then?
...really, it's just a piece of paper.
That piece of paper can be discussed in front of a judge, and the person ticketed can explain to the judge why them getting a ticket is worse than the oil spill, and whatnot. And if the judge doesn't agree with them, then they can have a petition signed to repeal the jaywalking laws on that street.
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he is going to be applauded and shown a better way of dealing with nut cases.
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Jay walking seems silly, but part of a cops duties is to protect and serve and i see it all the time when people dart out in the street and many times with kids in tow and in many cases the proper crossing is usually only a short walk away. I agree a ticket is not necessary but letting people know that it could be dangerous could be a big help.
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I'm not saying he should lose his job, but something serious should come out of this..... Because no Man Should ever punch a women....especially in the face! Even if it's self defense....push her away ...handle it professionally...
What if the Officer called her a "Nigger"(excuse my language)? Would that merit discharge? Black people might see it as a racially motivated act. I think he should be suspended and should be investigated to the fullest extent....
You just don't punch teenagers or people in the face....
I am not defending these girls...I just don't believe they should have been punched in the face...
So... if a woman has a gun, punching a woman is out of the question?
I'm not saying she had a gun, but there ARE circumstances where punching a woman in the face is perfectly acceptable.
Notice, he didn't punch the girl he was spending all that time trying to arrest. She was being uncooperative, and he was trying to get her to put her arms behind her back. She continued to resist, and he continued trying to get her arm behind her back. Did he slug her? Nope.
The other girl started shoving the officer. Out numbered, and with this girl physically assaulting him, I can understand his actions of punching her. What is he supposed to do? Let her continue to shove him? It wasn't about to get easier for him to complete the arrest. She was assaulting him and preventing him from an arrest, so he did what he had to to stop her.
It's hard to arrest one person who is resisting, and push away someone else who is pushing you. He handled it professionally when he was going to write a ticket. When they chose to ignore his instructions, they were the ones who escalated it.
What if the girl drew a gun on him?
He didn't say that, and she didn't draw a gun on him.
Lets discuss facts and what happened.
I agree. You just don't punch teenagers, children, nor adults in the face. There has to be a reason, and shoving an officer several times seems reasonable the officer would need to react to stop their behavior.
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You didn't want to make a hypothetical example and you used one at the beginning.... Ok.... What could have been done better?
Do you think if the cop would have called for back up right away ...all of this could have been avoided? That's my point...
I personally don't believe a teenage girl should have been punched in the face...if she had pulled out a gun....I am sure he wouldn't be thinking -punch her in the face-....it would have been,- go after the gun-...
I am not on the side of the girls.... I think they over reacted and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law....But we pay these officers a lot of money to be professional ..and that isn't being professional.... I don't know what was said that might have triggered the girls ....or the full story...but bottom line is that they should have not been punched in the face...... Especially a teenage girl.... push them away ...pull out your mace and threaten to mace them.....while doing that use your radio to call for back up.... That's how I would have handled it....No shame in that ...
As a woman I would normally agree with you about never punching a woman. However, at that point the officer was not dealing with a woman; he was dealing with someone who just physically assaulted an armed officer of the law. He did what was necessary. He struck her once to stun her and then barrelled into her to throw her off balance and prevent a subsequent attack from her. By asserting control over the situation in a firm and unexpected manner he was thankfully prevented from having to use a more agressive method of control.
Next time you jay walk... make sure there isn't a cop around. If there is... use the goddamn crosswalk.
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He couldn't have pushed her? Being much stronger then her.... he couldn't have maced her? ... He couldn't have taken a step back and called for back up? ...
Again ... I am not trying to let these girls off the hook.... I am talking about the officers actions...
If he would have shot her... would that have been ok? Since he felt threatened and was defending himself?
I just don't believe a man should punch a women in the face...especially a teenage girl... ... If my teenage niece was pushing me...and I felt threaten ...Should I punch her in the face?
had her or a 3rd person tried to grab his gun this would be a point, however.....what happened was a group of young girls were being detained for jaywalking.
sure she probably shouldn't have grabbed his arm but what would've happened if he had let her arm go? at the most she might run off and -gasp- jaywalk another day!? :shock: seriously, is that the argument?
secondly the cop didn't even have his back turned when this happened, so it's not like he thought someone was trying to grab his gun or anything, he got pissed and punched her. he wasn't in fear for his life or unsure of what might happen next.
i say the cop is a jackass and needs to stop being such a pussy and get his quota doing real police work :thumbdown:
IT WAS FUCKING JAYWALKING to go to such lengths to detain people over that is just fucking stupid. how many of you don't wear your seat belts? i would like to see a cop detain you at his car with his hand on your neck for jaywalking or not wearing your seatbelt or something really small. i'm sure you guys would be on here bitching about what a dick he was for going to all that trouble over such a small infraction
protect and serve - who was he protecting?
what about people who rip the tags off their mattress?
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actually he would have shown up because they usually do all their court dates on the same day, whenever a cop goes out he has the day already scheduled to be in court for whatever he writes a ticket for (unless it's something you get arrested for)
of course their actions weren't the best, but who knows what was going on before the camera, as the guy is walking over you hear her yelling for him to get his hand off her neck. why would his hand be on her neck? was he trying to search her? if a cop tried to search me for jaywalking i'd be mad, too as it would be violating the 4th amendment.
i don't see how punching a girl in the face helped this situation at all. i also don't see how the situation would've been worse had he not punched a girl in the face. so it's an over reaction. certainly they should have gone about it in a better way, unless it was a situation in which he was trying to search her without reasonable cause in which case i'd say they have a right to resist but there are better ways than punching her in the face.
also, i can guarantee you if someone in this forum got a ticket for jaywalking and posted that here 99.9% of the people would be saying what a waste of time it was to go after them for that. and if that person said they were detained at the cops car with his hand on their neck i'm sure just as many would say it was an overreaction
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Her actions escalated the situation from a routine traffic violation (yes, jaywalking is in the vehicle code (at least in California it is)) to one that results in an arrest.
With the crowd gathering, his option to wrestle her to the ground to subdue her becomes risky. Bad thing can happen to you when your head is down where a kick can take you out.
Options... mace, taser, nightstick, gun. She should be glad he chose fist... because the others are far worse.
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Exactly ...does common sense even exist anymore?
How about stepping back ....and calling for back up? Is that to much to ask? Or was this equal to a bank robbery ....where the officer had to take immediate action?
come on man... He simply shouldn't have punched her.... he didn't need to wrestle with her especially after the other girl started getting involved... I guess if you're daughter was being grabbed by the neck you would just stood back and allow it to happen....I am not arguing the reason for the ticket.... the girls were clearly in the wrong, but the officer should have never clinched his fist and struck the teenager...
I just think it could have been handled differently ....where maybe the police officer could have been the victim ...now it looks like the girl was the victim.....
However, if that were my daughter or neice (or anyone I know), I would be upset at the situation, but I would be more ashamed that I raised someone that didn't know how to handle themselves around the police. That girl was out of line. Who knows, that officer could've been scared being surrounded and just reacted. I really don't think he needed to punch her, but he was being assulted and the other girl was resisting. And it doesnt matter at that point if she robbed a bank, was jaywalking, or speeding, the girls were wrong, and the situation could have been avoided.
Also, I don't think anyone commented yet...was he either going really easy on them (aside from the punch), or was he just really weak and unable to subdue her?? He looked to be about 5 foot 2 inches tall (and really weak or drunk, ahaha
it's just a viscious cycle though. I think some officers get that way because they start of rational and communicate with decency, but encounter too many criminals and law-breakers who just have a problem with authority. I've seen it a million times. People will always resist the police, even if the police act perfectly. There are just those types of people out there unfortunately.
There are a few who are on a power trip, but that is not the majority. Sadly, it's that minority of power-trip officers who give them a bad name and do cause fear in people. I have personally even encountered a very awful, powertrip jerk of an officer, and it turned out to be no problem. You just have to know how to deal with them.
You're right, it goes for both sides. Apparently people everywhere have problems with being rational and able to communicate effectively.
But I've seen more cops being arrogant bastards than decent cops. Why should we know how to deal with them? They're in a "people" field. They should have to know how to communicate effectively, as part of their job.