punching a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = bad
inducing 50,000 volts or spraying poison at a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = good
glad that's all sorted out :?
the officer clearly wasn't to concerned about a weapon because he kept going back and forth with the two of them... first with one girl ..then with the other.... moving them around all over the place...people directly behind you, who knows what their intentions are.... yet your only concern is taking these girls down... no regard for the safety of yourself or others.... get on the radio call for back up and contain them..... mace the girls...and keep them under control...obviously this wasn't under control
have you ever been maced?
it sucks bad.
please punch my face first.
i'd let you beat my face 1 million times faster than i'd let you mace my face.
mace in the eyes is pure hell.
punching a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = bad
inducing 50,000 volts or spraying poison at a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = good
glad that's all sorted out :?
That's what I've been thinking. Honestly, I'll take the punch to the face over being tazed or maced any time. Getting punched usually just wakes you up a bit. The other two will fuckin' make your day pretty goddamn miserable.
yes but you're a man (supposedly)...now if you're a woman, you can beat the shit out of any man you want and that man must sit there and take it...i love learning on the MT!
That's a childish comment....We are talking about this specific situation.... If a woman is attacking an officer ,punching as you state the officer should defend himself...not sit there and take it.... stop slowing down the conversation.....
Push them down to the ground ...wrestle them down.... mace them... club them... ..slap some cuffs on them... back up... No need to know someone out with a punch to the face....
That's a childish comment....We are talking about this specific situation.... If a woman is attacking an officer ,punching as you state the officer should defend himself...not sit there and take it.... stop slowing down the conversation.....
Push them down to the ground ...wrestle them down.... mace them... club them... ..slap some cuffs on them... back up... No need to know someone out with a punch to the face....
Seriously, you would rather get hit with a club than a fist? That's insane. There is a reason primitive man quickly stopped trying to punch sabre-tooth tigers and started looking into weaponry.
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punching a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = bad
inducing 50,000 volts or spraying poison at a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = good
glad that's all sorted out :?
the officer clearly wasn't to concerned about a weapon because he kept going back and forth with the two of them... first with one girl ..then with the other.... moving them around all over the place...people directly behind you, who knows what their intentions are.... yet your only concern is taking these girls down... no regard for the safety of yourself or others.... get on the radio call for back up and contain them..... mace the girls...and keep them under control...obviously this wasn't under control
have you ever been maced?
it sucks bad.
please punch my face first.
i'd let you beat my face 1 million times faster than i'd let you mace my face.
mace in the eyes is pure hell.
fuck i've had black eyes that made me smile.
I've been around areas where Mace has been used....and it is powerful and effective.... If the officer had maced the girls (based on what we see) he wouldn't be under such attacks or we wouldn't be as critical of him.... but he didn't act professionally ... that's why so many people are upset...
I agree these girls (base on the video info) acted stupid...and deserved to be maced....let the courts deal with this..... ONly problem is that now the officer is putting his department in a bad position by using his fist .... Next time think!
That's a childish comment....We are talking about this specific situation.... If a woman is attacking an officer ,punching as you state the officer should defend himself...not sit there and take it.... stop slowing down the conversation.....
Push them down to the ground ...wrestle them down.... mace them... club them... ..slap some cuffs on them... back up... No need to know someone out with a punch to the face....
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punching a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = bad
inducing 50,000 volts or spraying poison at a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = good
glad that's all sorted out :?
the officer clearly wasn't to concerned about a weapon because he kept going back and forth with the two of them... first with one girl ..then with the other.... moving them around all over the place...people directly behind you, who knows what their intentions are.... yet your only concern is taking these girls down... no regard for the safety of yourself or others.... get on the radio call for back up and contain them..... mace the girls...and keep them under control...obviously this wasn't under control
i'd post comments from police officers that were in a similar situation but they're dead
That's a pretty serious situation... I am not a professional.... but I'll try... I would mace her, tase her(dont know the law), push her down, wrestle her down, flip her with a karate move, club her (body), or run!
I mean I just don't punch women .... that's just me... and this situation didn't appear to be life threatening, at least in the video.... the girls weren't attacking the officer (he must have felt differently about that), they were removing his hands from them.... no weapons were involved.... He could have pushed them off and then pulled out the mace.....
you come across like some of us hit women.
i can't speak for anyone here except myself, i have not ever harmed a female.
i may have broke some hearts but i've not ever abused a woman,,, ever.
women know they're safe with me.
Now children on the other hand... :twisted:
I sucker-punch babies on a frequent basis.
You know that saying "it's like taking candy from a baby"? ...that implies that it's easy to take it.
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i've read on here where some ppl have never punched anyone in the mug ever before in the history of the galaxy...
i personally find that odd.
what do you think?
in my entire life, i have never punched a person in the face...hell, i've never got into a physical fight unless i was breaking it up...if it gets to the point where i have to punch someone (unless in self defense) i walk away...i've never understood it since it solves nothing imo
now if i'm a police officer and am by myself and have 2 people assaulting me, i will do what it takes to defend myself and control the situation
mr. eyed, sir...
i've read on here where some ppl have never punched anyone in the mug ever before in the history of the galaxy...
i personally find that odd.
what do you think?
in my entire life, i have never punched a person in the face...hell, i've never got into a physical fight unless i was breaking it up...if it gets to the point where i have to punch someone (unless in self defense) i walk away...i've never understood it since it solves nothing imo
now if i'm a police officer and am by myself and have 2 people assaulting me, i will do what it takes to defend myself and control the situation
norm, you are in fact, a gentleman with a gentle soul.
i grew up fighting with my 2 brothers.
we fought for fun.
i cannot say i have never punched a fuckers head in.
and my skull? it's been bloodied severely.
mr. eyed, sir...
i've read on here where some ppl have never punched anyone in the mug ever before in the history of the galaxy...
i personally find that odd.
what do you think?
in my entire life, i have never punched a person in the face...hell, i've never got into a physical fight unless i was breaking it up...if it gets to the point where i have to punch someone (unless in self defense) i walk away...i've never understood it since it solves nothing imo
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norm, you are in fact, a gentleman with a gentle soul.
i grew up fighting with my 2 brothers.
we fought for fun.
i cannot say i have never punched a fuckers head in.
and my skull? it's been bloodied severely.
LOL!!! you haven't lived till you've been hit with a stun gun..I tell you what it will take your leg's out from under you and will not even know what hit ya....so I'm not sure about the punch in the face or the tazer...I'll take my chances with a punch any time.
punching a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = bad
inducing 50,000 volts or spraying poison at a woman who is assaulting you and may have a weapon = good
glad that's all sorted out :?
the officer clearly wasn't to concerned about a weapon because he kept going back and forth with the two of them... first with one girl ..then with the other.... moving them around all over the place...people directly behind you, who knows what their intentions are.... yet your only concern is taking these girls down... no regard for the safety of yourself or others.... get on the radio call for back up and contain them..... mace the girls...and keep them under control...obviously this wasn't under control
i'd post comments from police officers that were in a similar situation but they're dead
Wait! What does that have to do with this situation? How was this officer protecting his life? Because he punched a teenage girl in the face? We are talking about this situation...different situations call for different reactions...
It's clear he wasn't watching his back ..... in one part there is a guy directly behind him...that guy could have easily attacked the officer..... This officer wasn't smart about the situation ...he was clearly out numbered...
the specific issue is that he acted unprofessionally ... punching a girl didn't do squat, other then create a national debate... the girls were still out of control....
I'm sure when he looks back at this he could think of a few ways of handling this differently.
mr. eyed, sir...
i've read on here where some ppl have never punched anyone in the mug ever before in the history of the galaxy...
i personally find that odd.
what do you think?
in my entire life, i have never punched a person in the face...hell, i've never got into a physical fight unless i was breaking it up...if it gets to the point where i have to punch someone (unless in self defense) i walk away...i've never understood it since it solves nothing imo
now if i'm a police officer and am by myself and have 2 people assaulting me, i will do what it takes to defend myself and control the situation
How did he control the situation? Remember this is a professional... He punched a teenage girl, who obviously wasn't a threat to him, because he continued to go back and forth with the girls.... If they had been a threat he would have retreated to a more neutral position....Instead of trying to bum rush the two of them.... Plus all the people around him could have easily been perceived as suspects....
The girls weren't assaulting him... they were more like removing the officers hands from them.... Did they ever punch him? Did they bring out an object?
You train for these types of things ....act professionally, represent the community,.... take control of the situation,...Show strength, ...and protect the community....
He punched a teenage girl, who obviously wasn't a threat to him
He punched a 170 lbs female, age undetermined at that time, who was actively assaulting him while he was arresting another person. ...there's a huge difference in your above description, and what occurred.
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He punched a teenage girl, who obviously wasn't a threat to him
He punched a 170 lbs female, age undetermined at that time, who was actively assaulting him while he was arresting another person. ...there's a huge difference in your above description, and what occurred.
some people cannot watch a video and see what is happening.
example: i've read on here...
"why didn't he call for back up?" --- he did, i saw him use his radio with my own two eyes.
example: they're teenagers... teens who are out of control wrestling a police officer.
the one young gal that got popped is a big girl and she assaulted him with force while he already had his hands full with her dumbass friend.
this is purely disrespect to the police officer.
a couple of years i stepped off a kerb in brooklyn looking right instead of left into the path of NYPD blue. i feel fortunate i wasnt punched in the face.
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He punched a teenage girl, who obviously wasn't a threat to him
He punched a 170 lbs female, age undetermined at that time, who was actively assaulting him while he was arresting another person. ...there's a huge difference in your above description, and what occurred.
some people cannot watch a video and see what is happening.
example: i've read on here...
"why didn't he call for back up?" --- he did, i saw him use his radio with my own two eyes.
example: they're teenagers... teens who are out of control wrestling a police officer.
the one young gal that got popped is a big girl and she assaulted him with force while he already had his hands full with her dumbass friend.
this is purely disrespect to the police officer.
When does he call for back up? At what point? I didn't see it.
Don't you think the officer is a little out of control as well? He is caught in a situation going back and forth with two teenagers who he can't control on his own.... Why wouldn't he call for back up? Why wouldn't he just mace them?
I didn't see the girls swing at him...They tried pushing his hands down and resisting arrest, but not attack him... If he felt threaten then he should have moved to a neutral position, so that he had a clear view of everyone, but instead he took it upon himself to rumble with everyone around him.... someone could have easily taken his gun!
This was a stupid situation and now the department will probably have to suffer because of this.... not only that but the officer could never really restrain the girls... its an embarrassment for the department and will probably have to fork out some money because of this.....
But you guys think it was the rational thing to do.... Yeah keep thinking like that and I'm sure a few more unprofessional incidents like this and Seattle will be broke! Because of law suites ....
He punched a teenage girl, who obviously wasn't a threat to him
He punched a 170 lbs female, age undetermined at that time, who was actively assaulting him while he was arresting another person. ...there's a huge difference in your above description, and what occurred.
What occurred in the video was a police officer punched a girl.... and you have no problem with that because you have no problem with punching a girl in the face!
I have a problem with it because I don't feel females should be punched in the face by any man in any situation.
The officer put himself in a poor situation clearly unable to handle the situation because if the girls wanted to really hurt him they would have easily taken his gun or hit the officer from behind.... But no you refuse to see that because your first reaction is to protect the police officers actions, regardless of the situation....
Think about it from a logical perspective... let's remove gender from the equation and see what we get.
...
Officer witnesses two persons jay-walking.
Officer tells subjects that they will be receiving a traffic citation in violation of Penal Code XXXX2345.
Subjects refuse.
What should the cop do... let them go? Do his job?
Subjects refuse to submit...
forcing officer to detain.
Subjects resist detainment...
forcing officer to restrain.
Subjects continue to struggle to resist restraint...
forcing officer to select 'use of force' to subdue the subjects... in order to restrain them.
First order of force... fist. After that, mace, taser, nightstick, service firearm.
...
Add the potentially hostile environment that is developing... a crowd begins to form.
The best bet is to retrain the subjects in handcuffs and secured in the back seat of the patrol car.
The best way to apply the handcuffs is the standing position, rather than wrestling the subject to the ground, where your head is closer to someone's hostile foot. Lose your head, when someone treats it as a soccer ball, means you may lose your gun... lose your gun and you may lose your life.
...
Moral of the story:
Just sign the goddamn tickets, bitches... and you won't get punched in the face by a cop.
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What happened to woman are equal? This cop did nothing wrong. Why not just take the ticket and fight it in court?
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He punched a teenage girl, who obviously wasn't a threat to him
He punched a 170 lbs female, age undetermined at that time, who was actively assaulting him while he was arresting another person. ...there's a huge difference in your above description, and what occurred.
What occurred in the video was a police officer punched a girl.... and you have no problem with that because you have no problem with punching a girl in the face!
I have a problem with it because I don't feel females should be punched in the face by any man in any situation.
The officer put himself in a poor situation clearly unable to handle the situation because if the girls wanted to really hurt him they would have easily taken his gun or hit the officer from behind.... But no you refuse to see that because your first reaction is to protect the police officers actions, regardless of the situation....
What a Joke!
While I agree that I would not hit a woman first, there are a few circumstance that I would hit a woman back. If she tried to hit the jewels, or if she continued to hit me in the face. Oh yeah I wold punch a woman.
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What happened to woman are equal? This cop did nothing wrong. Why not just take the ticket and fight it in court?
bingo!
because they are stupid and they do want to play the racist card.
they will play the racist card and they will lose.
every spectator in that crowd will swear to god that the policeman is a racist, i guaran-damn-tee it.
whether you agree with a cop or not your better off just accepting your ticket and fight it in court, now she could have bigger problems, not really worth it.
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whether you agree with a cop or not your better off just accepting your ticket and fight it in court, now she could have bigger problems, not really worth it.
Or....
You can resist arrest.....
Push the cop......
Get punched in the mouth......
And play the race card.........
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The girls weren't assaulting him... they were more like removing the officers hands from them.... Did they ever punch him? Did they bring out an object?
You train for these types of things ....act professionally, represent the community,.... take control of the situation,...Show strength, ...and protect the community....
Just a question, have you watched the extended and uncut version of the incident or just the three minute version? If you have only watched the three minute version you may want to watch the longer one. It can be found here: http://www.kirotv.com/video/23904902/index.html
Both girls committed assault on the officer. They both laid hands on him in a threatening and hostile manner. Moreover, at 00:20 black-shirt girl slapped and pushed the officer. Pink-shirt girl then pushed the officer at 00:25; she followed that by pushing the officer which then prompted the officer to punch her. Each of these escalating events, excluding the officers punch, constitutes assault.
Two separate offenses against the person that when used in one expression may be defined as any unlawful and unpermitted touching of another. Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.
You keep coming back to the fact that the officer shouldn't have punched a girl. I don't think anyone in this thread is advocating that people should just go out and randomly punch women in the face. But as I already said:
. . .at that point the officer was not dealing with a woman; he was dealing with someone who just physically assaulted an armed officer of the law. He did what was necessary. He struck her once to stun her and then barreled into her to throw her off balance and prevent a subsequent attack from her. By asserting control over the situation in a firm and unexpected manner he was thankfully prevented from having to use a more aggressive method of control.
All-in-all, the officer did exactly what you said he should have done . . . "take control of the situation,...Show strength, ...and protect the community...."
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It is odd. I mean surely at some point in one's life there is a valid reason to sock a mofo.
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it sucks bad.
please punch my face first.
i'd let you beat my face 1 million times faster than i'd let you mace my face.
mace in the eyes is pure hell.
fuck i've had black eyes that made me smile.
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That's a childish comment....We are talking about this specific situation.... If a woman is attacking an officer ,punching as you state the officer should defend himself...not sit there and take it.... stop slowing down the conversation.....
Push them down to the ground ...wrestle them down.... mace them... club them... ..slap some cuffs on them... back up... No need to know someone out with a punch to the face....
Seriously, you would rather get hit with a club than a fist? That's insane. There is a reason primitive man quickly stopped trying to punch sabre-tooth tigers and started looking into weaponry.
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I've been around areas where Mace has been used....and it is powerful and effective.... If the officer had maced the girls (based on what we see) he wouldn't be under such attacks or we wouldn't be as critical of him.... but he didn't act professionally ... that's why so many people are upset...
I agree these girls (base on the video info) acted stupid...and deserved to be maced....let the courts deal with this..... ONly problem is that now the officer is putting his department in a bad position by using his fist .... Next time think!
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i'd post comments from police officers that were in a similar situation but they're dead
I sucker-punch babies on a frequent basis.
You know that saying "it's like taking candy from a baby"? ...that implies that it's easy to take it.
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Ok, honestly folks, you shouldn't punch babies. However, feel free to club them or mace them as that is much more acceptable.
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in my entire life, i have never punched a person in the face...hell, i've never got into a physical fight unless i was breaking it up...if it gets to the point where i have to punch someone (unless in self defense) i walk away...i've never understood it since it solves nothing imo
now if i'm a police officer and am by myself and have 2 people assaulting me, i will do what it takes to defend myself and control the situation
i grew up fighting with my 2 brothers.
we fought for fun.
i cannot say i have never punched a fuckers head in.
and my skull? it's been bloodied severely.
good on you, buddy.
good on you.
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Probably the wise choice. Norm is good people. Everyone try to be like Norm a little bit more in your every day life.
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thank you gentlemen...however, if i had a nickle for every time i wanted to punch someone, i would be posting from my own tropical island
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Wait! What does that have to do with this situation? How was this officer protecting his life? Because he punched a teenage girl in the face? We are talking about this situation...different situations call for different reactions...
It's clear he wasn't watching his back ..... in one part there is a guy directly behind him...that guy could have easily attacked the officer..... This officer wasn't smart about the situation ...he was clearly out numbered...
the specific issue is that he acted unprofessionally ... punching a girl didn't do squat, other then create a national debate... the girls were still out of control....
I'm sure when he looks back at this he could think of a few ways of handling this differently.
How did he control the situation? Remember this is a professional... He punched a teenage girl, who obviously wasn't a threat to him, because he continued to go back and forth with the girls.... If they had been a threat he would have retreated to a more neutral position....Instead of trying to bum rush the two of them.... Plus all the people around him could have easily been perceived as suspects....
The girls weren't assaulting him... they were more like removing the officers hands from them.... Did they ever punch him? Did they bring out an object?
You train for these types of things ....act professionally, represent the community,.... take control of the situation,...Show strength, ...and protect the community....
He punched a 170 lbs female, age undetermined at that time, who was actively assaulting him while he was arresting another person. ...there's a huge difference in your above description, and what occurred.
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example: i've read on here...
"why didn't he call for back up?" --- he did, i saw him use his radio with my own two eyes.
example: they're teenagers... teens who are out of control wrestling a police officer.
the one young gal that got popped is a big girl and she assaulted him with force while he already had his hands full with her dumbass friend.
this is purely disrespect to the police officer.
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When does he call for back up? At what point? I didn't see it.
Don't you think the officer is a little out of control as well? He is caught in a situation going back and forth with two teenagers who he can't control on his own.... Why wouldn't he call for back up? Why wouldn't he just mace them?
I didn't see the girls swing at him...They tried pushing his hands down and resisting arrest, but not attack him... If he felt threaten then he should have moved to a neutral position, so that he had a clear view of everyone, but instead he took it upon himself to rumble with everyone around him.... someone could have easily taken his gun!
This was a stupid situation and now the department will probably have to suffer because of this.... not only that but the officer could never really restrain the girls... its an embarrassment for the department and will probably have to fork out some money because of this.....
But you guys think it was the rational thing to do.... Yeah keep thinking like that and I'm sure a few more unprofessional incidents like this and Seattle will be broke! Because of law suites ....
What occurred in the video was a police officer punched a girl.... and you have no problem with that because you have no problem with punching a girl in the face!
I have a problem with it because I don't feel females should be punched in the face by any man in any situation.
The officer put himself in a poor situation clearly unable to handle the situation because if the girls wanted to really hurt him they would have easily taken his gun or hit the officer from behind.... But no you refuse to see that because your first reaction is to protect the police officers actions, regardless of the situation....
What a Joke!
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Officer witnesses two persons jay-walking.
Officer tells subjects that they will be receiving a traffic citation in violation of Penal Code XXXX2345.
Subjects refuse.
What should the cop do... let them go? Do his job?
Subjects refuse to submit...
forcing officer to detain.
Subjects resist detainment...
forcing officer to restrain.
Subjects continue to struggle to resist restraint...
forcing officer to select 'use of force' to subdue the subjects... in order to restrain them.
First order of force... fist. After that, mace, taser, nightstick, service firearm.
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Add the potentially hostile environment that is developing... a crowd begins to form.
The best bet is to retrain the subjects in handcuffs and secured in the back seat of the patrol car.
The best way to apply the handcuffs is the standing position, rather than wrestling the subject to the ground, where your head is closer to someone's hostile foot. Lose your head, when someone treats it as a soccer ball, means you may lose your gun... lose your gun and you may lose your life.
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Moral of the story:
Just sign the goddamn tickets, bitches... and you won't get punched in the face by a cop.
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While I agree that I would not hit a woman first, there are a few circumstance that I would hit a woman back. If she tried to hit the jewels, or if she continued to hit me in the face. Oh yeah I wold punch a woman.
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they will play the racist card and they will lose.
every spectator in that crowd will swear to god that the policeman is a racist, i guaran-damn-tee it.
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You can resist arrest.....
Push the cop......
Get punched in the mouth......
And play the race card.........
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Just a question, have you watched the extended and uncut version of the incident or just the three minute version? If you have only watched the three minute version you may want to watch the longer one. It can be found here: http://www.kirotv.com/video/23904902/index.html
Both girls committed assault on the officer. They both laid hands on him in a threatening and hostile manner. Moreover, at 00:20 black-shirt girl slapped and pushed the officer. Pink-shirt girl then pushed the officer at 00:25; she followed that by pushing the officer which then prompted the officer to punch her. Each of these escalating events, excluding the officers punch, constitutes assault.
You keep coming back to the fact that the officer shouldn't have punched a girl. I don't think anyone in this thread is advocating that people should just go out and randomly punch women in the face. But as I already said:
All-in-all, the officer did exactly what you said he should have done . . . "take control of the situation,...Show strength, ...and protect the community...."