Seattle officer punches girl in face during jaywalking stop

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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    blackredyellow wrote:
    That's a tough one...

    He is engaged with one girl, and second is grabbing him, what happens if a 3rd person grabs his gun while he's tied up?

    had her or a 3rd person tried to grab his gun this would be a point, however.....what happened was a group of young girls were being detained for jaywalking.

    sure she probably shouldn't have grabbed his arm but what would've happened if he had let her arm go? at the most she might run off and -gasp- jaywalk another day!? :shock: seriously, is that the argument?

    secondly the cop didn't even have his back turned when this happened, so it's not like he thought someone was trying to grab his gun or anything, he got pissed and punched her. he wasn't in fear for his life or unsure of what might happen next.

    i say the cop is a jackass and needs to stop being such a pussy and get his quota doing real police work :thumbdown:

    IT WAS FUCKING JAYWALKING to go to such lengths to detain people over that is just fucking stupid. how many of you don't wear your seat belts? i would like to see a cop detain you at his car with his hand on your neck for jaywalking or not wearing your seatbelt or something really small. i'm sure you guys would be on here bitching about what a dick he was for going to all that trouble over such a small infraction

    protect and serve - who was he protecting?

    what about people who rip the tags off their mattress?
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  • Pepe Silvia
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    Fifthelement wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    I wasn't trying to rationalize their behavior. I just don't like seeing the police spend their resources on raping the taxpayers when there are more serious threats then people crossing the street illegally.

    I'll reiterate what I said on the AET thread regarding this incident
    Fifthelement wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    had her or a 3rd person tried to grab his gun this would be a point, however.....what happened was a group of young girls were being detained for jaywalking.

    sure she probably shouldn't have grabbed his arm but what would've happened if he had let her arm go? at the most she might run off and -gasp- jaywalk another day!? :shock: seriously, is that the argument?

    secondly the cop didn't even have his back turned when this happened, so it's not like he thought someone was trying to grab his gun or anything, he got pissed and punched her. he wasn't in fear for his life or unsure of what might happen next.

    i say the cop is a jackass and needs to stop being such a pussy and get his quota doing real police work :thumbdown:

    IT WAS FUCKING JAYWALKING to go to such lengths to detain people over that is just fucking stupid. how many of you don't wear your seat belts? i would like to see a cop detain you at his car with his hand on your neck for jaywalking or not wearing your seatbelt or something really small. i'm sure you guys would be on here bitching about what a dick he was for going to all that trouble over such a small infraction

    protect and serve - who was he protecting?

    what about people who rip the tags off their mattress?

    Um, actually that's what he was doing. He was enforcing a law (or by-law). Just because a law seems inconsequential to you doesn't mean that it shouldn't be enforced (that goes for seatbelts violations and speeding tickets as well).

    The simple fact is she is the one that caused the situation. Hell, if she'd cooperated in the beginning, she probably could have gone to court to contest the citation. Chances are he wouldn't have showed up in court and she probably could have gotten out of the ticket. Regardless, she is responsible for her actions. The girl isn't stupid, just wilfull, entitled and ignorant. The one that jumped in between the arresting officer and the suspect, on the other-hand, had more courage than brains at the moment. Not exactly a good combination when dealing with someone who is a lawful police officer and armed to boot.
    I'll also add some stats regarding jaywalking in that particular area
    The incident happened at Martin Luther King Jr. Way South near the arterial's intersection with Rainier Avenue South, in the vicinity of Franklin High School.

    A Seattle transportation department plan released in 2006 called for Seattle police pedestrian-safety patrols to target jaywalking, particularly near Franklin High and north of South McClellan Street by the Lowe's hardware store.

    Between 2002 and 2006 more jaywalkers were hit by vehicles on Rainier Avenue South than in any other corridor in the city.

    During that period, 61 pedestrians were struck while jaywalking on Rainier Avenue South -- nearly double the number of accidents on Aurora Avenue North, which had the second highest number of jaywalkers hit with 35, according to Seattle Transportation Department records.

    Also during that period, 23 other jaywalkers were hit in the South End, on Martin Luther King Jr. Way South and on Beacon Avenue South. Those roads also accounted for 126 pedestrian accidents at intersections.

    There were six jaywalking accidents on Aurora Avenue North in the several blocks south of North 125th Street between 2002 and 2006, tying that short stretch of roadway with Rainier Avenue South between South Hudson Street and 39th Avenue South for the highest number of jaywalking collisions in the city.

    Between 2006 and 2006, the State Department of Transportation launched the Washington State Corridor Safety Program.

    source http://www.seattlepi.com/local/421842_cop16.html


    I don't see a paid civil servant doing his/her job of attempting to protect the lives and limbs, of both jaywalkers and motorists, as, "raping the taxpayers." In fact, the behaviour of the girls wasted valuable time and resources of the Seattle PD especially when they could have been out dealing "with more serious threats" as you put it.


    and my reply form there

    actually he would have shown up because they usually do all their court dates on the same day, whenever a cop goes out he has the day already scheduled to be in court for whatever he writes a ticket for (unless it's something you get arrested for)

    of course their actions weren't the best, but who knows what was going on before the camera, as the guy is walking over you hear her yelling for him to get his hand off her neck. why would his hand be on her neck? was he trying to search her? if a cop tried to search me for jaywalking i'd be mad, too as it would be violating the 4th amendment.

    i don't see how punching a girl in the face helped this situation at all. i also don't see how the situation would've been worse had he not punched a girl in the face. so it's an over reaction. certainly they should have gone about it in a better way, unless it was a situation in which he was trying to search her without reasonable cause in which case i'd say they have a right to resist but there are better ways than punching her in the face.

    also, i can guarantee you if someone in this forum got a ticket for jaywalking and posted that here 99.9% of the people would be saying what a waste of time it was to go after them for that. and if that person said they were detained at the cops car with his hand on their neck i'm sure just as many would say it was an overreaction
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  • Cosmo
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    tonifig8 wrote:
    He couldn't have pushed her? Being much stronger then her.... he couldn't have maced her? ... He couldn't have taken a step back and called for back up? ...
    Again ... I am not trying to let these girls off the hook.... I am talking about the officers actions...
    If he would have shot her... would that have been ok? Since he felt threatened and was defending himself?
    I just don't believe a man should punch a women in the face...especially a teenage girl... ... If my teenage niece was pushing me...and I felt threaten ...Should I punch her in the face?
    ...
    Her actions escalated the situation from a routine traffic violation (yes, jaywalking is in the vehicle code (at least in California it is)) to one that results in an arrest.
    With the crowd gathering, his option to wrestle her to the ground to subdue her becomes risky. Bad thing can happen to you when your head is down where a kick can take you out.
    Options... mace, taser, nightstick, gun. She should be glad he chose fist... because the others are far worse.
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  • vomikus39
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    I feel that in todays day and age the general population is so quick to cry police brutality, racism, etc... Like any other profession, there are good cops and bad cops. Of course there are racist cops, just like there are racist doctors, teachers, and garbage men. If I get pulled over by the police I still shut my car off and put my keys on top of the car. There needs to be a sense of respect when dealing with police. I think a lot of situations, like this one, are created when people start mouthing off and being disrespectful even before the cop approaches their window. Like it or not, the race card is played constantly, and it is not always warranted. My cops are the NYPD, so I often here of police brutality and we are probably second to the LAPD with that. It is not the profession, it's the person. In defense of police, being that I have numerous friends on the NYPD, they deal with a lot of shit!! A LOT!! Someone wrote here "Fuck da Police, all of em". Yeah, very mature. Nowadays, the criminal has too many rights. In NYC there is now a proposal "shoot to injure" and not "shoot to kill". Explain that to the family of a cop killed by a low-life kid selling drug dealer who didnt think twice of putting a bullet in his head. This whole cop stuff will never end. I know I would never want to be one.
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  • Boxes&Books
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    Pepe Silvia wrote:


    and my reply form there

    actually he would have shown up because they usually do all their court dates on the same day, whenever a cop goes out he has the day already scheduled to be in court for whatever he writes a ticket for (unless it's something you get arrested for)

    of course their actions weren't the best, but who knows what was going on before the camera, as the guy is walking over you hear her yelling for him to get his hand off her neck. why would his hand be on her neck? was he trying to search her? if a cop tried to search me for jaywalking i'd be mad, too as it would be violating the 4th amendment.

    i don't see how punching a girl in the face helped this situation at all. i also don't see how the situation would've been worse had he not punched a girl in the face. so it's an over reaction. certainly they should have gone about it in a better way, unless it was a situation in which he was trying to search her without reasonable cause in which case i'd say they have a right to resist but there are better ways than punching her in the face.

    also, i can guarantee you if someone in this forum got a ticket for jaywalking and posted that here 99.9% of the people would be saying what a waste of time it was to go after them for that. and if that person said they were detained at the cops car with his hand on their neck i'm sure just as many would say it was an overreaction

    Exactly ...does common sense even exist anymore?
  • Boxes&Books
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    Cosmo wrote:
    tonifig8 wrote:
    He couldn't have pushed her? Being much stronger then her.... he couldn't have maced her? ... He couldn't have taken a step back and called for back up? ...
    Again ... I am not trying to let these girls off the hook.... I am talking about the officers actions...
    If he would have shot her... would that have been ok? Since he felt threatened and was defending himself?
    I just don't believe a man should punch a women in the face...especially a teenage girl... ... If my teenage niece was pushing me...and I felt threaten ...Should I punch her in the face?
    ...
    Her actions escalated the situation from a routine traffic violation (yes, jaywalking is in the vehicle code (at least in California it is)) to one that results in an arrest.
    With the crowd gathering, his option to wrestle her to the ground to subdue her becomes risky. Bad thing can happen to you when your head is down where a kick can take you out.
    Options... mace, taser, nightstick, gun. She should be glad he chose fist... because the others are far worse.


    How about stepping back ....and calling for back up? Is that to much to ask? Or was this equal to a bank robbery ....where the officer had to take immediate action?
    come on man... He simply shouldn't have punched her.... he didn't need to wrestle with her especially after the other girl started getting involved... I guess if you're daughter was being grabbed by the neck you would just stood back and allow it to happen....I am not arguing the reason for the ticket.... the girls were clearly in the wrong, but the officer should have never clinched his fist and struck the teenager...
    I just think it could have been handled differently ....where maybe the police officer could have been the victim ...now it looks like the girl was the victim.....
  • Jeanwah
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    People wouldn't resist police orders if the police did it in a way that was: non-harassing, did not display aggressive behavior or tone, and police were decent people who actually know how to communicate with other people. In other words, rational people who don't get off on a power trip of being a police officer.
  • JonnyPistachio
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    I have never punched anyone in the face in my life. And I have told myself to avoid it at all circumstances.

    However, if that were my daughter or neice (or anyone I know), I would be upset at the situation, but I would be more ashamed that I raised someone that didn't know how to handle themselves around the police. That girl was out of line. Who knows, that officer could've been scared being surrounded and just reacted. I really don't think he needed to punch her, but he was being assulted and the other girl was resisting. And it doesnt matter at that point if she robbed a bank, was jaywalking, or speeding, the girls were wrong, and the situation could have been avoided.

    Also, I don't think anyone commented yet...was he either going really easy on them (aside from the punch), or was he just really weak and unable to subdue her?? He looked to be about 5 foot 2 inches tall (and really weak or drunk, ahaha :lol: , so maybe he feels more threatened than a larger man would.
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  • JonnyPistachio
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    Jeanwah wrote:
    People wouldn't resist police orders if the police did it in a way that was: non-harassing, did not display aggressive behavior or tone, and police were decent people who actually know how to communicate with other people. In other words, rational people who don't get off on a power trip of being a police officer.

    it's just a viscious cycle though. I think some officers get that way because they start of rational and communicate with decency, but encounter too many criminals and law-breakers who just have a problem with authority. I've seen it a million times. People will always resist the police, even if the police act perfectly. There are just those types of people out there unfortunately.

    There are a few who are on a power trip, but that is not the majority. Sadly, it's that minority of power-trip officers who give them a bad name and do cause fear in people. I have personally even encountered a very awful, powertrip jerk of an officer, and it turned out to be no problem. You just have to know how to deal with them.
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    People wouldn't resist police orders if the police did it in a way that was: non-harassing, did not display aggressive behavior or tone, and police were decent people who actually know how to communicate with other people. In other words, rational people who don't get off on a power trip of being a police officer.

    it's just a viscious cycle though. I think some officers get that way because they start of rational and communicate with decency, but encounter too many criminals and law-breakers who just have a problem with authority. I've seen it a million times. People will always resist the police, even if the police act perfectly. There are just those types of people out there unfortunately.

    There are a few who are on a power trip, but that is not the majority. Sadly, it's that minority of power-trip officers who give them a bad name and do cause fear in people. I have personally even encountered a very awful, powertrip jerk of an officer, and it turned out to be no problem. You just have to know how to deal with them.

    You're right, it goes for both sides. Apparently people everywhere have problems with being rational and able to communicate effectively.

    But I've seen more cops being arrogant bastards than decent cops. Why should we know how to deal with them? They're in a "people" field. They should have to know how to communicate effectively, as part of their job.
  • chadwick
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    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    People wouldn't resist police orders if the police did it in a way that was: non-harassing, did not display aggressive behavior or tone, and police were decent people who actually know how to communicate with other people. In other words, rational people who don't get off on a power trip of being a police officer.

    it's just a viscious cycle though. I think some officers get that way because they start of rational and communicate with decency, but encounter too many criminals and law-breakers who just have a problem with authority. I've seen it a million times. People will always resist the police, even if the police act perfectly. There are just those types of people out there unfortunately.

    There are a few who are on a power trip, but that is not the majority. Sadly, it's that minority of power-trip officers who give them a bad name and do cause fear in people. I have personally even encountered a very awful, powertrip jerk of an officer, and it turned out to be no problem. You just have to know how to deal with them.

    exactly...
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  • inmytree
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    I have no problem with what this officer did...as others have mentioned, get your ticket, move on, and perhaps fight it in court...

    The girl who got punched pushed the officer...I hope she was arrested, too...

    And the I hope the soon-to-farmer never needs to call those fn cops, cuz you know, they all suck, fo reals... :lol:
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    inmytree wrote:
    I have no problem with what this officer did...as others have mentioned, get your ticket, move on, and perhaps fight it in court...

    The girl who got punched pushed the officer...I hope she was arrested, too...

    And the I hope the soon-to-farmer never needs to call those fn cops, cuz you know, they all suck, fo reals... :lol:


    I'm not trying to stir anything up..... but if your daughter or sister was getting in my face and pushing me....would it be ok for me to punch her? Knock her ass out?

    Or what it have been cool for the police officer to shoot her?
  • Stypo420
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    I can see that I am a bit late to the table….I think the officer over stepped yes the girl did give him a half-hearted one hand push, but it appeared to me that he could have gotten control with out that punch to the face. I would also note how quick he was to switch suspects as soon as that girl cave him that little shove he was after her with a vengeance. Now I actually thing the girl should be charged with something cause you just don’t put your hands on a cop and she certainly needs to learn that lesson. After watching the video I just can’t seem to reconcile punching this girl in the face, I do wonder if I would have felt differently if he punched her in the stomach or disabled her in some other way.

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  • Blockhead
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    I can't believe this is even a discussion, they broke the law (no matter how small, its still the law) and resisted arrest and struck the officer. I am not a fan of police officers becuase I do think the abuse their power sometimes, But the man has the right to take full force if he is getting assulted while engaged with another person resisting. Quit making excuses for stupid people. they deserve what they got.
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    HeidiJam wrote:
    I can't believe this is even a discussion, they broke the law (no matter how small, its still the law) and resisted arrest and struck the officer. I am not a fan of police officers becuase I do think the abuse their power sometimes, But the man has the right to take full force if he is getting assulted while engaged with another person resisting. Quit making excuses for stupid people. they deserve what they got.


    I don't think anyone is defending the girls....
    If the police officer shot the girl would that still have been ok? Could he have handled this better?
    Is that how you would have handled it? Would you knock a teenage girl out that got in your face?
  • CJMST3K
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    tonifig8 wrote:
    Would you knock a teenage girl out that got in your face?



    If being physically assaulted by them, when they have nothing to do with what I'm doing? Yes, and I'd be unapologetic about it.

    And you keep mentioning "teenage", "teenage"... I don't think he was in the position to ask the girl her age while she was assaulting him. And you're suggesting from using "teenage" so often that age of the person assaulting him should play a role in his action, so I'll put you in the same position your putting him in.


    Which one of these girls is a teenager, if any of them, just by looking at their photo?

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/shelli- ... 22843F.jpg

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/toria-l ... 30816F.jpg

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    CJMST3K wrote:
    tonifig8 wrote:
    Would you knock a teenage girl out that got in your face?



    If being physically assaulted by them, when they have nothing to do with what I'm doing? Yes, and I'd be unapologetic about it.

    And you keep mentioning "teenage", "teenage"... I don't think he was in the position to ask the girl her age while she was assaulting him. And you're suggesting from using "teenage" so often that age of the person assaulting him should play a role in his action, so I'll put you in the same position your putting him in.


    Which one of these girls is a teenager, if any of them, just by looking at their photo?

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/shelli- ... 22843F.jpg

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/toria-l ... 30816F.jpg

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/jerica- ... 27195F.jpg

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/atavia- ... 27524F.jpg


    Sorry man, but I just wouldn't punch a women in the face not even if she was attacking my mother..... That's just disgusting .... I wouldn't punch a women period... I was raised to never put my hands on a women ... no matter what... and I have seen some extreme situations......
    And you're ignoring my question.... the main point.... Couldn't the officer just have called for back up? Or have just pushed the girls off of him and maced them? Would it have been ok for him to shoot her? Because as you say, he was acting in self-defense.
    As for your images ..... none of those girls/women look threatening .... and unlike you I would never put my hands on a woman ....if I did I would be apologetic..... I would rather run, then hit a women....
    I'd hit you for punching a woman.....and I wouldn't be apologetic..... but that's just me...
  • chadwick
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    CJMST3K wrote:
    tonifig8 wrote:
    Would you knock a teenage girl out that got in your face?



    If being physically assaulted by them, when they have nothing to do with what I'm doing? Yes, and I'd be unapologetic about it.

    And you keep mentioning "teenage", "teenage"... I don't think he was in the position to ask the girl her age while she was assaulting him. And you're suggesting from using "teenage" so often that age of the person assaulting him should play a role in his action, so I'll put you in the same position your putting him in.


    Which one of these girls is a teenager, if any of them, just by looking at their photo?

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/shelli- ... 22843F.jpg

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/toria-l ... 30816F.jpg

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/jerica- ... 27195F.jpg

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/atavia- ... 27524F.jpg

    exactly...
    all i've read here is teenage girl, teenage girl...
    she doesn't look like a teenager anyway.
    next time hopefully she leaves her hands to herself, stands there and keeps quiet.
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    chadwick wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    tonifig8 wrote:
    Would you knock a teenage girl out that got in your face?



    If being physically assaulted by them, when they have nothing to do with what I'm doing? Yes, and I'd be unapologetic about it.

    And you keep mentioning "teenage", "teenage"... I don't think he was in the position to ask the girl her age while she was assaulting him. And you're suggesting from using "teenage" so often that age of the person assaulting him should play a role in his action, so I'll put you in the same position your putting him in.


    Which one of these girls is a teenager, if any of them, just by looking at their photo?

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/shelli- ... 22843F.jpg

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/toria-l ... 30816F.jpg

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/jerica- ... 27195F.jpg

    http://www.modelhour.com/photos/atavia- ... 27524F.jpg

    exactly...
    all i've read here is teenage girl, teenage girl...
    she doesn't look like a teenager anyway.
    next time hopefully she leaves her hands to herself, stands there and keeps quiet.


    I think the majority of people here believe the girls over reacted and deserve to be punished by the law.... But punching a woman/ teenage girl wasn't the smartest thing to do.... you might be ok with hitting women, but the majority of society is against Men hitting women.... especially with with a fist to the face....
    The officer could have backed away and maced them or could have called for back up.... now he put the seattle police department in a bad position....and makes the girls appear like the victims....
    He is a professional and is paid/trained to be that.... If you are ok with the officer punching the girls then you're ok with the officer shooting them down like dogs.... right?

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