After just listening to it on good speakers for the first time, it really does feel like Into The Wild. And I agree that there could have been some instrumentation added here from an outside source, so maybe this is a song that Ed worked on with the creator of the score. But it wouldn't surprise me if it came from the BS session either, as I could see Brendan O Brien being the guy responsible for the music being the way it is.
words seem so out of place.
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Another reason I don't think it's from ITW is cus if youve been to or heard ed's solo shows he's really not afraid to break out anything, Arc for example, I think he would have played something that was recorded with such great quality.
The more I listen to this the more I love it. It's a really good song.
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It's my understanding that this track is definitely from Riot Act.
Any what would your "understanding" be?
The recording archive site that was listed by someone else here links it to Riot Act and that site hasn't been updated since 2003. The website that this song (which I really like by the way) can be heard (not downloaded) was updated with strikeouts over self-titled and backspacer, leaving riot act as the source. As much as people may have trained ears and musical deduction skills, we can only really go by the information that is out there and this point. In this case, it consistently points towards the riot act recording sessions as the origin. obvioulsy it could have been reworked and what not much later than that, but it seems pretty clear that this is when the song originated.
It's my understanding that this track is definitely from Riot Act.
Any what would your "understanding" be?
The recording archive site that was listed by someone else here links it to Riot Act and that site hasn't been updated since 2003. The website that this song (which I really like by the way) can be heard (not downloaded) was updated with strikeouts over self-titled and backspacer, leaving riot act as the source. As much as people may have trained ears and musical deduction skills, we can only really go by the information that is out there and this point. In this case, it consistently points towards the riot act recording sessions as the origin. obvioulsy it could have been reworked and what not much later than that, but it seems pretty clear that this is when the song originated.
Good point. Look at the Zeppelin 4 and Houses of the Holy songs that ended up on Physical Graffiti, and Walter's Walk on Coda was a case where the song was from the Houses of the Holy era, a riff was used on Presence, and when it finally appeared on Coda, Plant had recorded the vocal track in the early 80's after Bonham died, obviously, for the album's release. So what I'm saying, this wouldn't be the first time a band finisher and released earlier material, at a later time.
Up here so high I start to shake, Up here so high the sky I scrape, I've no fear but for falling down, So look out below I am falling now, Falling down,...not staying down, Could’ve held me up, rather tear me down, Drown in the river
ok, it's established there was a song recorded in the riot act sessions called better days and it clearly didn't make the album. now, monkeywrench was involved with and only with riot act. however, this song sounds nothing like the riot act era, especially ed. there is alot of production and usage of extra instruments and it is very "new" and uplifting sounding. also, on the monkeywrench website it said something like "gary, kelly wanted you to hear this". i say that pj re-recorded and re-worked this song for possibly backspacer or an ep after it or whatever and the people at monkeywrench remember the song and how it didnt make it, etc .. maybe they got word from kelly kurtis that the band re-worked it for something and one person from monkeywrench was showing another.
so i say it is a riot act outtake that got re-recorded/re-arranged for either backspacer, an ep, or next album. brendan obrian must have done something with this.
as far as the song i think it's simply phenomenal.
incredibly uplifting and the lyrics are absolutely amazing.
great work.
start digging more stuff up! come on pj!
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ok, it's established there was a song recorded in the riot act sessions called better days and it clearly didn't make the album. now, monkeywrench was involved with and only with riot act. however, this song sounds nothing like the riot act era, especially ed. there is alot of production and usage of extra instruments and it is very "new" and uplifting sounding. also, on the monkeywrench website it said something like gary, kelly wanted you to hear this. i say that pj re-recorded and re-worked this song for possibly backspacer or an ep after it or whatever and the people at monkeywrench remember the song and how it didnt make it, etc .. maybe they got word from kelly kurtis that the band re-worked it for something and one person from monkeywrench was showing another.
so i say it is a riot act outtake that got re-recorded/re-arranged for either backspacer, an ep, or next album. brendan obrian must have done something with this.
as far as the song i think it's simply phenomenal.
incredibly uplifting and the lyrics are absolutely amazing.
great work.
start digging more stuff up! come on pj!
ok, it's established there was a song recorded in the riot act sessions called better days and it clearly didn't make the album. now, monkeywrench was involved with and only with riot act. however, this song sounds nothing like the riot act era, especially ed. there is alot of production and usage of extra instruments and it is very "new" and uplifting sounding. also, on the monkeywrench website it said something like gary, kelly wanted you to hear this. i say that pj re-recorded and re-worked this song for possibly backspacer or an ep after it or whatever and the people at monkeywrench remember the song and how it didnt make it, etc .. maybe they got word from kelly kurtis that the band re-worked it for something and one person from monkeywrench was showing another.
so i say it is a riot act outtake that got re-recorded/re-arranged for either backspacer, an ep, or next album. brendan obrian must have done something with this.
as far as the song i think it's simply phenomenal.
incredibly uplifting and the lyrics are absolutely amazing.
great work.
start digging more stuff up! come on pj!
that's a solid theory, i think.
I would have to back that up too. Also, Ed's voice sounds absolutely incredible. He still has it!
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Nobody else got a No Code vibe from the song? the sitar made me think of the version of Long Road with Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn. I'm not saying this song is from No Code. I don't really care when its from. I would love to know the backstory just for the sake of pearl jam nerdery. All I definitely know is that I like it.
Ed Played Unthought Known solo in Montreal. He mentioned that he had just written the song.
Ed played it in Newark first..
but back to this new song...listening to it sounds like Ed now...listening to the lyrics...I wonder if it wasn't a song from Riot Act era that's been redone... maybe even partially rewritten...parts rhyme others don't...this song is beautiful full of everything just like the song speaks of... many different worlds...I hear Indian(india), Spanish... it's a bucket full of sounds layering all over each other culminating into a joyous uprising into a new and Better Days...
My favorite line is (I hope it's ok to post this):
Not running from something…I'm running towards the day…wide awake
A whisper once quiet…Now rising to a scream…I am me.
I'm falling… free fallin…World's calling me up off my knees
this is what I hear anyway...I am not sure it's right....
Kat made a post somewhere in this thread. They know it's here. We have been told not to post links to the where to find it, but otherwise discussion about the song seems to be okay.
words seem so out of place.
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ok, it's established there was a song recorded in the riot act sessions called better days and it clearly didn't make the album. now, monkeywrench was involved with and only with riot act.
What the hell are you talking about? "Monkeywrench" in this sense refers to the band's record label, which is run by their management.
the people at monkeywrench remember the song and how it didnt make it, etc .. maybe they got word from kelly kurtis that the band re-worked it for something and one person from monkeywrench was showing another.
"The people at Monkeywrench"? The people "at" Monkeywrench are just the band and their management. You're making this into more than it is - this is just a song that Pearl Jam's manager and Gary Westlake, another Curtis Management/PJ-related person, were passing around for whatever reason.
Right, and in fact Monkeywrench actually had nothing to do with Riot Act, it was all Sony. Monkeywrench is bascially everything since Riot Act. I think the Man of the Hour single might have been the first release on it, but I can't find it right now to confirm that. Otherwise I think Self-Titled was a Monkeywrench/J Records collaboration, Into the Wild was at least a Monkeywrench collab, and Backspacer was a Monkeywrench only record (with a little help from Target). But as he said above me, Monkeywrench is no one more than the band and their camp and management.
words seem so out of place.
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Nobody else got a No Code vibe from the song? the sitar made me think of the version of Long Road with Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn. I'm not saying this song is from No Code. I don't really care when its from. I would love to know the backstory just for the sake of pearl jam nerdery. All I definitely know is that I like it.
I definitely got the No Code vibe too. I guess I would have to say it's only reminiscent of No Code and Long Road, but sounds like it was recorded recently. The vocals are way more 2009 than 1994 or 2002.
Anybody think that accordian sound may be a Hurdy-Gurdy?
Plant/Page used a Hurdy-Gurdy very effectively on the No Quarter album. Also, it's that thing Page was playing in Song Remains the Same when he turned around and his eyes were red lights.
Up here so high I start to shake, Up here so high the sky I scrape, I've no fear but for falling down, So look out below I am falling now, Falling down,...not staying down, Could’ve held me up, rather tear me down, Drown in the river
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The recording archive site that was listed by someone else here links it to Riot Act and that site hasn't been updated since 2003. The website that this song (which I really like by the way) can be heard (not downloaded) was updated with strikeouts over self-titled and backspacer, leaving riot act as the source. As much as people may have trained ears and musical deduction skills, we can only really go by the information that is out there and this point. In this case, it consistently points towards the riot act recording sessions as the origin. obvioulsy it could have been reworked and what not much later than that, but it seems pretty clear that this is when the song originated.
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Some words when spoken...can't be taken back.
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its got kindof a "let me sleep" + "hard sun" thing happening... dont know what it is that just SO BAD
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Good point. Look at the Zeppelin 4 and Houses of the Holy songs that ended up on Physical Graffiti, and Walter's Walk on Coda was a case where the song was from the Houses of the Holy era, a riff was used on Presence, and when it finally appeared on Coda, Plant had recorded the vocal track in the early 80's after Bonham died, obviously, for the album's release. So what I'm saying, this wouldn't be the first time a band finisher and released earlier material, at a later time.
ok, it's established there was a song recorded in the riot act sessions called better days and it clearly didn't make the album. now, monkeywrench was involved with and only with riot act. however, this song sounds nothing like the riot act era, especially ed. there is alot of production and usage of extra instruments and it is very "new" and uplifting sounding. also, on the monkeywrench website it said something like "gary, kelly wanted you to hear this". i say that pj re-recorded and re-worked this song for possibly backspacer or an ep after it or whatever and the people at monkeywrench remember the song and how it didnt make it, etc .. maybe they got word from kelly kurtis that the band re-worked it for something and one person from monkeywrench was showing another.
so i say it is a riot act outtake that got re-recorded/re-arranged for either backspacer, an ep, or next album. brendan obrian must have done something with this.
as far as the song i think it's simply phenomenal.
incredibly uplifting and the lyrics are absolutely amazing.
great work.
start digging more stuff up! come on pj!
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that's a solid theory, i think.
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I would have to back that up too. Also, Ed's voice sounds absolutely incredible. He still has it!
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Ed Played Unthought Known solo in Montreal. He mentioned that he had just written the song.
http://seanbriceart.com/
but back to this new song...listening to it sounds like Ed now...listening to the lyrics...I wonder if it wasn't a song from Riot Act era that's been redone... maybe even partially rewritten...parts rhyme others don't...this song is beautiful full of everything just like the song speaks of... many different worlds...I hear Indian(india), Spanish... it's a bucket full of sounds layering all over each other culminating into a joyous uprising into a new and Better Days...
My favorite line is (I hope it's ok to post this):
Not running from something…I'm running towards the day…wide awake
A whisper once quiet…Now rising to a scream…I am me.
I'm falling… free fallin…World's calling me up off my knees
this is what I hear anyway...I am not sure it's right....
Kat made a post somewhere in this thread. They know it's here. We have been told not to post links to the where to find it, but otherwise discussion about the song seems to be okay.
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"The people at Monkeywrench"? The people "at" Monkeywrench are just the band and their management. You're making this into more than it is - this is just a song that Pearl Jam's manager and Gary Westlake, another Curtis Management/PJ-related person, were passing around for whatever reason.
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I definitely got the No Code vibe too. I guess I would have to say it's only reminiscent of No Code and Long Road, but sounds like it was recorded recently. The vocals are way more 2009 than 1994 or 2002.
Plant/Page used a Hurdy-Gurdy very effectively on the No Quarter album. Also, it's that thing Page was playing in Song Remains the Same when he turned around and his eyes were red lights.
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