Could there be 3 Perfect games already-Ump screws last out

lukin2006

Just saw the replay, it wasn't even close. The umpire really blew that call. If if they did fix it and change the call it won't be the same as celebrating a perfect game with your teammates and your fans in your home ballpark. Joyce is scheduled to behind home plate tomorrow.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

How the fuck can he make that call???

At any point in any game...That is a RIDICULOUS call...right????

This asshole makes this call in the 9th inning of a perfect game???

HOW THE FUCK CAN HE MAKE THAT CALL?????

Enkidu

It's so damn sad. My husband kept watching it over and over on TV and I finally said - stop, you're making yourself crazy. Joyce has got to quit, right? I mean, I feel sort of sorry for him - but how can he go out there again? Aren't people gonna throw shit at him, probably REAL shit.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Enkidu wrote:

It's so damn sad. My husband kept watching it over and over on TV and I finally said - stop, you're making yourself crazy. Joyce has got to quit, right? I mean, I feel sort of sorry for him - but how can he go out there again? Aren't people gonna throw shit at him, probably REAL shit.

I am thinking....Within the next 24 hours, baseball HAS to over-rule this call.....right????

Wouldnt that be the best thing for baseball to do?????

Holy fuck....I cant believe that ump made that call....

neilybabes86

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

It's so damn sad. My husband kept watching it over and over on TV and I finally said - stop, you're making yourself crazy. Joyce has got to quit, right? I mean, I feel sort of sorry for him - but how can he go out there again? Aren't people gonna throw shit at him, probably REAL shit.

I am thinking....Within the next 24 hours, baseball HAS to over-rule this call.....right????

Wouldnt that be the best thing for baseball to do?????

Holy fuck....I cant believe that ump made that call....

its the thing to do,but it won't happen

pjsteelerfan

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

It's so damn sad. My husband kept watching it over and over on TV and I finally said - stop, you're making yourself crazy. Joyce has got to quit, right? I mean, I feel sort of sorry for him - but how can he go out there again? Aren't people gonna throw shit at him, probably REAL shit.

I am thinking....Within the next 24 hours, baseball HAS to over-rule this call.....right????

Wouldnt that be the best thing for baseball to do?????

Holy fuck....I cant believe that ump made that call....

I think what makes it worse are that it was a routine play that gets called correctly almost 99% of the time, even when it is a close play. And it was not even close. Joyce needs to be sat out for a while, or he needs to retire. If he can not make the correct call, he should not be an umpire. Most likely Gallaraga will never have another chance at a perfect game.

Too bad the union will not allow anything to happen to him and baseball can not overturn the call. Sad.

South of Seattle

I don't know why Major professional league's can't all have one good standard instant replay.

Everyone should use replay like the ATP(Tennis) tour. That thing is fast and is instant and everyone can see the result.

blackredyellow

pjsteelerfan wrote:

I think what makes it worse are that it was a routine play that gets called correctly almost 99% of the time, even when it is a close play. And it was not even close. Joyce needs to be sat out for a while, or he needs to retire. If he can not make the correct call, he should not be an umpire. Most likely Gallaraga will have another chance at a perfect game.

Too bad the union will not allow anything to happen to him and baseball can not overturn the call. Sad.

I disagree... if the guy has a pattern of missed calls, then yes, he should retire... but if he blew one call, then as terrible as this one was, you can't end a guy's career over it. I just think that we hold umpires/referees to an impossible standard of perfection. Think how many times in a day/week that you make a mistake at work, rand either you correct yourself right away, or no one even notices. EVERY mistake these guys make (even if it's one a month) gets seen by thousands of people and shown over and over again.

That is what is so frustrating... we have the technology in instant replay to get them right damn near 100% of the time, but MLB refuses to implement it.

pjsteelerfan

blackredyellow wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

I think what makes it worse are that it was a routine play that gets called correctly almost 99% of the time, even when it is a close play. And it was not even close. Joyce needs to be sat out for a while, or he needs to retire. If he can not make the correct call, he should not be an umpire. Most likely Gallaraga will have another chance at a perfect game.

Too bad the union will not allow anything to happen to him and baseball can not overturn the call. Sad.

I disagree... if the guy has a pattern of missed calls, then yes, he should retire... but if he blew one call, then as terrible as this one was, you can't end a guy's career over it. I just think that we hold umpires/referees to an impossible standard of perfection. Think how many times in a day/week that you make a mistake at work, rand either you correct yourself right away, or no one even notices. EVERY mistake these guys make (even if it's one a month) gets seen by thousands of people and shown over and over again.

That is what is so frustrating... we have the technology in instant replay to get them right damn near 100% of the time, but MLB refuses to implement it.

I agree, he should not be forced out of the game, but he should be held accountable. Sat down for a while- banned from being an offical in any postseason games for a while. But the Union will never allow that. And everyone makes mistakes, but that was a HUGE one that took away a once in a lifetime chance. That does not happen often, and most likely will not be corrected.

I agree, baseball needs to wake up and have some kind of replay.

Hammerdonkey

I think I'd respect baseball more if they would overrule the call. The kid threw a perfect game and deserves to have it on his resume. There's only been 20 perfect games ever thrown. They are more rare than being struck by lightning.

Replay shows the runner was clearly out. I don't think the hitter would mind if it was reversed. He looked sick when he realized he was called safe after that weak shit he hit.

Why is it so hard for people to do the right thing anymore? Oh, and Pete Rose has suffered enough. He needs to be in the Hall of Fame too.

polaris_x

brutal ... watching the replays is like watching a train wreck ... especially after the catch CF made for the first out in the 9th ...

Black Diamond

Hammerdonkey wrote:

I think I'd respect baseball more if they would overrule the call. The kid threw a perfect game and deserves to have it on his resume. There's only been 20 perfect games ever thrown. They are more rare than being struck by lightning.

Replay shows the runner was clearly out. I don't think the hitter would mind if it was reversed. He looked sick when he realized he was called safe after that weak shit he hit.

Why is it so hard for people to do the right thing anymore? Oh, and Pete Rose has suffered enough. He needs to be in the Hall of Fame too.

+1 on both points. How the hell after the steroid era Rose does not get at least the opportunity to be voted on is beyond me...

QuarterToTen

To so blatantly deprive this kid of the defining moment of his career, of what so many have strived for, worked for their entire lives and never even come close to achieving is truly beyond comprehension.

I couldn't stop watching the replay. Just couldn't believe it.

The precedent that would be set in reviewing and OBVIOUSLY reversing this call will never happen. It would indicated that the umpires are not as infallible as they are portrayed, and MLB obviously can't accept the fact that these umps are human and occasionally make mistakes.

And then they wonder why attendance is down. What a fucking farce.

Dissidentman

eh, it's just a game.

theoceansmademe

polaris_x wrote:

brutal ... watching the replays is like watching a train wreck ... especially after the catch CF made for the first out in the 9th ...

exactly.

How did Joyce screw up that call moments after that catch?

Come on. How would have really cared if the runner was safe on a play that close.

I really think this will lead to instant replay. It is needed.

Joyce should seriously retire. This will have a lasting effect on his confidence.

If it were the 2nd, 4th, or even 6th inning no big deal on a blown call. But the last out? My gosh that ump is stupid.

Cliffy6745

Mariano Rivera's take:

“It happened to the best umpire we have in our game. The best. And a perfect gentleman. Obviously, it was a mistake. It was a perfect game. It’s a shame for both of them, for the pitcher and for the umpire. But I’m telling you he is the best baseball has, and a great guy. It’s just a shame.”

I feel for Joyce a little more than I did yesterday but the fact remains, you gotta get that call right. No excuses.

Now it's on Selig. He should make this right, but won't. Let's just hope it leads to replay.

Yellow Ledbelly

Stone Is God wrote:

This is the type of shit that happens when this is your commish...

Rmember the dopey buzzard on the old cartoons? How about the ostrich that always stuck his head in the sand? Selig epitomized. Actually, every time bud has a microphone in his face the Looney Tunes music should be played as he approaches the podium and Porky's "That's all folks" should take him off the stage. Dude is a joke. why the hell wouldn't MLB have any comment on it? Bud is a puss.

Everybody handled the situation as best as possible from what I've heard....Gallaraga, Leyland and you've got to give major credit to Joyce for stepping up and admitting it, but even more so for going to the pitcher and apologizing. I truly feel bad for the guy, but the heckling he will get this afternoon behind the plate will be justified just the same. Like Leyland said though managers, players, writers...everybody makes mistakes. This a screw up of epic fuckin' proportions though.

Of course there should be replay in cases such as this...the whole tradition thing with umps basically being God is so idiotic it is beyond description to me. Of course, replay would mean there would never be another double play turned from second to first because no middle infielder has touched the bag when turning one in years....well, very few anyway...but that's another story.

bottom line...the kid got his perfect game just like he said....he knows he did and everybody else knows he did. Damn shame the gutless wonder who is Selig won't do anything to give him credit where it is due.

blackredyellow

Yellow Ledbelly wrote:

Of course there should be replay in cases such as this...the whole tradition thing with umps basically being God is so idiotic it is beyond description to me. Of course, replay would mean there would never be another double play turned from second to first because no middle infielder has touched the bag when turning one in years....well, very few anyway...but that's another story.

While I am 100% in favor of review, it does bring in some interesting questions in baseball...

say there was a reversed play at first... the guy was called out, but review showed him safe. no biggie right?

but say there was a guy on 3rd coming home during that play... the call at first was initially the 3rd out, so the play stopped. When overturned and ruled safe, what happens to the guy running home? Do you put him back on third even though he would have probably scored? Do you let the run count even though he could have been thrown out by the first basemen if the play continued?

I would say an objective rule is needed like putting the runner back to the last base he was, but is that really fair either? Your guy is safe at first, but you lose a run that would have scored if the ump didn't screw up?

patrickredeyes

He was out by a mile how could he not see that. It sucks so bad watching that replay.

Cliffy6745

Sooooo. It looks like there is a chance Bud does the right thing.