Is Obama the Worst President Ever?

Hammerdonkey

MoonTurtle wrote:

what???


so obama was elected cuz pj said so?


wow!!! backspacer is a celebration of obama?? wow!!


wow pj is more powerful than I thought! Here I thought there sogs just made me feel yummy, little did I know they were changing the world.

Is that what I said? Or did I say that Ed finally approved of the presidential elect? And yes, Backspacer was advertised as Ed's seal of approval for Obama.

There's really nothing to argue here. You have trouble reading English apparently. And, political rock sucks turtle dick.

RW81233

Hammerdonkey wrote:

MoonTurtle wrote:

what???


so obama was elected cuz pj said so?


wow!!! backspacer is a celebration of obama?? wow!!


wow pj is more powerful than I thought! Here I thought there sogs just made me feel yummy, little did I know they were changing the world.

Is that what I said? Or did I say that Ed finally approved of the presidential elect? And yes, Backspacer was advertised as Ed's seal of approval for Obama.

There's really nothing to argue here. You have trouble reading English apparently. And, political rock sucks turtle dick.

isn't all rock political in the grand sense? is it oppositional "political" rock that you hate? i really don't know your answer, but i am curious as to why you don't like it...personally i think it's silly to "leave it to the politicians" when our country is supposed to be a democracy where all voices can be heard - even drunken lead singers voices, or drunken fans cheering for drunken lead singers.

The Fixer

demetrios wrote:

I don't think Obama is the "Worst USA President Ever." Who is though, IMO, is Richard Nixon. He has bankrupt America & the world by industrializing China. Almost every single product you see today is Made in China. I'm Canadian & what I see here in my own country & my visits to the USA is that almost 80% of items in the stores across these two great countries are Made in China.

I had friends that just came back from Jamaica that bought me a t-shirt. They told me stories that they had a hard time finding one @ the local boutique stores, hotel & anything close by that was Made in Jamaica cause everything there was Made in China. Lucky they found one. What ever happen to the Made in USA or Made in Canada product? It's gone! Only a lucky handful of businesses are still active & around. It's not right at all. Shop at your local Walmart, Target, Home Depot, Zellers, Best Buy etc.. Almost half (even more) of their stock are Made in China. I used to work for a huge computer/printer company and thought they were 100% USA brand. But the calls coming in, all the items were made & built were in China. Their tech support was in India.

Today I'm a Ceramic Tile & Marble, Granite, Slate installer and the boxes & boxes coming in to our local flooring center, Home Depot, Kents, huge tiling centers across this country are Made in China. On the boxes you will see/read "Beautiful Porcelain Italian Tiles" etc.. But on the side of the boxes & on the bottom of the tiles, it's Made in China. Added bonus, remember those red mittens Oprah was so crazy about? The one's for the 2010 Vancouver Winter Games? Guess where they were made? Not in Canada! But you know where ...

Someday oh someday I hope they block all ships, airplanes, even lock down the border that no Made in China product leaves & enters North America. Just a few day's ago the new iPad just got released. I'm sad to read & hear on the new's that Apple had all their products built in sweat shops in China & many suicide cases have been posted online. Their iPods, iPhones, Macs etc.. The reason was for higher demand of their product. Now they decided to raise their pay to 20%.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec ... le1583890/

"The basic salary at the China plants of Foxconn Technology Group – which makes iPhones and other popular gadgets – is currently about 900 yuan ($130 U.S.) per month!"

Why not build them in USA? Oh, it will cost the company a lot to build here so why not let that 5 year old kid work his ass off all day for a few bucks to build that shit that goes for 500 bucks. That's great! That's real great!

D'oh! Sorry for that long rant. But it pisses me off & it pisses everybody off who are in the construction, installing, building, selling, owning a business field etc.. that have lost their job or can't stand to see every single item in stores or even half the shit that's in your very home right now that was built in China. Made in USA & Made in Canada has disappeared. And who is to blame? The president? Yes! Who started this? Richard Nixon.

I am Canadian! And I love my country. And I love my (USA) brother. I am angry & upset to see these two countries are losing these jobs while we have the resources & people to do it. We are getting our asses completely wiped out with products after products after products coming into our land from one & only country, China! There can only be so much. There should be a max limit that's coming in to our land. If this continues, both our countries will be overrun by China. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

I hope Obama does something to stop this. As for the prime minister of Canada and what he's doing? He can't say anything about this cause he only obeys what bigger brother (USA) say's.

Actually the main reason we import so many foreign made goods is because of the national debt. we pay back countries by importing their goods. Clinton had a plan to eliminate the national debt...as someone mentioned earlier in this thread he had run a surplus for the first time in over 50 years. bush, not only eliminated the surplus, but created record deficit amounts (and once again growing the national debt)

point being, our govt has a history of fiscal irresponsibility. clinton had a plan to change this, which would have in turn spurred the US economy by creating more domestically produced goods (therefore creating more jobs). it's no coincidence that unemployment has risen as the national debt has risen (of course this is just one of many reasons).

that's the most I've used my economics degree in the ten years since I've graduated college

chadwick

all i know is that Obama has his hands full and a very large mess to clean up thanks to W & dick nuts cheney.

in my humble yet outspoken opinion... W & company are fucked in the head.'
now... about the gulf oil crisis... wedge cheney's face into the gushing pipe.

MoonTurtle

Haha

Such anger.

There is an earlier post questioning why our country does not produce more solid choices -- this is why. Such anger towards a post.

Turtle dick? watch out -- mods don't like it when we don't play well in the sandbox.

Hammerdonkey wrote:

MoonTurtle wrote:

what???


so obama was elected cuz pj said so?


wow!!! backspacer is a celebration of obama?? wow!!


wow pj is more powerful than I thought! Here I thought there sogs just made me feel yummy, little did I know they were changing the world.

Is that what I said? Or did I say that Ed finally approved of the presidential elect? And yes, Backspacer was advertised as Ed's seal of approval for Obama.

There's really nothing to argue here. You have trouble reading English apparently. And, political rock sucks turtle dick.

Hammerdonkey

MoonTurtle wrote:

Haha

Such anger.

There is an earlier post questioning why our country does not produce more solid choices -- this is why. Such anger towards a post.

Turtle dick? watch out -- mods don't like it when we don't play well in the sandbox.

I get it now. You just wanted to converse with The Donkey. You could have just PM'd.

RW81233

I can't believe Ronald Reagan hasn't been brought up in this conversation. It is his economic plan (neoliberalism) that has taken the power from the people and placed it firmly in the hands of the corporate few, helped create the widest margin between the rich and poor in this country in over a hundred years, and, as Jeagler pointed out, made all of our politicians the same b/c they only get elected by getting funded by corporations (even Obama did that). It is his plan that led to the decimation of labor unions, underhanded racism (convincing people that Affirmative Action is unfair), overt sexism (Title IX repealed - interestingly all those "olympic sports" that claim that women's sports are forcing their decimation actually got cut at a faster rate during this time), and, as I mentioned before, class warfare (when he came into office CEO's made 15 to 1 of the average worker, now it is 500 to 1). He also ramped up military spending, and blasted through billions while lining the pockets of his friends and corporate funders. If you want to discuss the raw damage that a President and his legacy has put on the United States Reagan HAS to be considered in the top 5 suckiest Presidents of all time. The problem is that he was so persuasive that it's hard for even the most critical people to think outside of his corporate rich white male supremacist doctrine.

dcfaithful

Flagg wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

Flagg wrote:

Um, W might have something to say about that.

i disagree wholeheartedly and respect him for having to deal with 9/11

By invading a country that had nothing to do with it?

Oh well, to each their own I guess.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

_Crazy_Mary_

I don't think Obama is the worst president ever. At least not yet. He is better than Carter, Wilson or Roosevelt. He is only slightly worse than W.

chadwick

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

I don't think Obama is the worst president ever. At least not yet. He is better than Carter, Wilson or Roosevelt. He is only slightly worse than W.

how is Obama only slightly worse than W?
i am very curious and wait for your reply.

_Crazy_Mary_

chadwick wrote:

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

I don't think Obama is the worst president ever. At least not yet. He is better than Carter, Wilson or Roosevelt. He is only slightly worse than W.

how is Obama only slightly worse than W?
i am very curious and wait for your reply.

Bush spent spent spent & did a terrible job protecting our borders. Obama has spent even more, similar lousy job protecting our borders, four terrorist attacks (fortunately most of the terrorists failed), not to mention lying about raising taxes... Overall, Bush & Obama are pretty much the same guy

chadwick

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Bush spent spent spent & did a terrible job protecting our borders. Obama has spent even more, similar lousy job protecting our borders, four terrorist attacks (fortunately most of the terrorists failed), not to mention lying about raising taxes... Overall, Bush & Obama are pretty much the same guy

bush also had the most expensive embassy ever built in the history of the universe.
thank you HALLIBURTON.
W & friends are monsters... FACT.

Lizard

I will have to wait to answer after he has served his term.....

chadwick

Lizard wrote:

I will have to wait to answer after he has served his term.....

word...

chadwick

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

I don't think Obama is the worst president ever. At least not yet. He is better than Carter, Wilson or Roosevelt. He is only slightly worse than W.

which roosevelt are you referring to?

milarso

Lizard wrote:

I will have to wait to answer after he has served his term.....

Yeah- this thread seems kind of premature...
And having only been alive to witness the work of four presidents (only really tuned in to politics for two of them) and being kind of skeptical about the way history is reported to us, I feel somewhat ill-informed to answer...

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

demetrios wrote:

I don't think Obama is the "Worst USA President Ever." Who is though, IMO, is Richard Nixon. He has bankrupt America & the world by industrializing China. Almost every single product you see today is Made in China. I'm Canadian & what I see here in my own country & my visits to the USA is that almost 80% of items in the stores across these two great countries are Made in China.

I had friends that just came back from Jamaica that bought me a t-shirt. They told me stories that they had a hard time finding one @ the local boutique stores, hotel & anything close by that was Made in Jamaica cause everything there was Made in China. Lucky they found one. What ever happen to the Made in USA or Made in Canada product? It's gone! Only a lucky handful of businesses are still active & around. It's not right at all. Shop at your local Walmart, Target, Home Depot, Zellers, Best Buy etc.. Almost half (even more) of their stock are Made in China. I used to work for a huge computer/printer company and thought they were 100% USA brand. But the calls coming in, all the items were made & built were in China. Their tech support was in India.

Today I'm a Ceramic Tile & Marble, Granite, Slate installer and the boxes & boxes coming in to our local flooring center, Home Depot, Kents, huge tiling centers across this country are Made in China. On the boxes you will see/read "Beautiful Porcelain Italian Tiles" etc.. But on the side of the boxes & on the bottom of the tiles, it's Made in China. Added bonus, remember those red mittens Oprah was so crazy about? The one's for the 2010 Vancouver Winter Games? Guess where they were made? Not in Canada! But you know where ...

Someday oh someday I hope they block all ships, airplanes, even lock down the border that no Made in China product leaves & enters North America. Just a few day's ago the new iPad just got released. I'm sad to read & hear on the new's that Apple had all their products built in sweat shops in China & many suicide cases have been posted online. Their iPods, iPhones, Macs etc.. The reason was for higher demand of their product. Now they decided to raise their pay to 20%.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec ... le1583890/

"The basic salary at the China plants of Foxconn Technology Group – which makes iPhones and other popular gadgets – is currently about 900 yuan ($130 U.S.) per month!"

Why not build them in USA? Oh, it will cost the company a lot to build here so why not let that 5 year old kid work his ass off all day for a few bucks to build that shit that goes for 500 bucks. That's great! That's real great!

D'oh! Sorry for that long rant. But it pisses me off & it pisses everybody off who are in the construction, installing, building, selling, owning a business field etc.. that have lost their job or can't stand to see every single item in stores or even half the shit that's in your very home right now that was built in China. Made in USA & Made in Canada has disappeared. And who is to blame? The president? Yes! Who started this? Richard Nixon.

I am Canadian! And I love my country. And I love my (USA) brother. I am angry & upset to see these two countries are losing these jobs while we have the resources & people to do it. We are getting our asses completely wiped out with products after products after products coming into our land from one & only country, China! There can only be so much. There should be a max limit that's coming in to our land. If this continues, both our countries will be overrun by China. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

I hope Obama does something to stop this. As for the prime minister of Canada and what he's doing? He can't say anything about this cause he only obeys what bigger brother (USA) say's.

Actually the main reason we import so many foreign made goods is because of the national debt. we pay back countries by importing their goods. Clinton had a plan to eliminate the national debt...as someone mentioned earlier in this thread he had run a surplus for the first time in over 50 years. bush, not only eliminated the surplus, but created record deficit amounts (and once again growing the national debt)

it's worth noting that this surplus was created with republicans controling both the house and senate.

Byrnzie

RW81233 wrote:

I can't believe Ronald Reagan hasn't been brought up in this conversation. It is his economic plan (neoliberalism) that has taken the power from the people and placed it firmly in the hands of the corporate few, helped create the widest margin between the rich and poor in this country in over a hundred years, and, as Jeagler pointed out, made all of our politicians the same b/c they only get elected by getting funded by corporations (even Obama did that). It is his plan that led to the decimation of labor unions, underhanded racism (convincing people that Affirmative Action is unfair), overt sexism (Title IX repealed - interestingly all those "olympic sports" that claim that women's sports are forcing their decimation actually got cut at a faster rate during this time), and, as I mentioned before, class warfare (when he came into office CEO's made 15 to 1 of the average worker, now it is 500 to 1). He also ramped up military spending, and blasted through billions while lining the pockets of his friends and corporate funders. If you want to discuss the raw damage that a President and his legacy has put on the United States Reagan HAS to be considered in the top 5 suckiest Presidents of all time. The problem is that he was so persuasive that it's hard for even the most critical people to think outside of his corporate rich white male supremacist doctrine.

Not to mention his backing of the death squads in South America which saw hundreds of thousands of civilians slaughtered.
Oh, and Iran Contra.

The Juggler

Byrnzie wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

I can't believe Ronald Reagan hasn't been brought up in this conversation. It is his economic plan (neoliberalism) that has taken the power from the people and placed it firmly in the hands of the corporate few, helped create the widest margin between the rich and poor in this country in over a hundred years, and, as Jeagler pointed out, made all of our politicians the same b/c they only get elected by getting funded by corporations (even Obama did that). It is his plan that led to the decimation of labor unions, underhanded racism (convincing people that Affirmative Action is unfair), overt sexism (Title IX repealed - interestingly all those "olympic sports" that claim that women's sports are forcing their decimation actually got cut at a faster rate during this time), and, as I mentioned before, class warfare (when he came into office CEO's made 15 to 1 of the average worker, now it is 500 to 1). He also ramped up military spending, and blasted through billions while lining the pockets of his friends and corporate funders. If you want to discuss the raw damage that a President and his legacy has put on the United States Reagan HAS to be considered in the top 5 suckiest Presidents of all time. The problem is that he was so persuasive that it's hard for even the most critical people to think outside of his corporate rich white male supremacist doctrine.

Not to mention his backing of the death squads in South America which saw hundreds of thousands of civilians slaughtered.
Oh, and Iran Contra.

he did end the cold war....oh wait....that was rocky.

gabers

You see, W was such a collosal fuckup in every sense of the word, Obama could start sporting a do rag and drinkin' 40's at his press conferences, refer to his cabinet as "my niggaz", and nominate Al Sharpton for the Supreme Court and he'd still not be the worst president by a long shot. Of course, there'd be a line of rednecks as long as the Mason Dixon line waiting to shoot his butt, but that's how big the difference between these two presidents are, IMO.