Is Obama the Worst President Ever?

chadwick

hello people!!! hurricane katrina was a natural disaster created at sea by mother nature.
the gulf oil environmental disaster was solely created by mankind's bullshit greed.

that my friends is two different ball parks.

Byrnzie

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Ed would be better served looking to topics other than politics (because that's boring and uninteresting to sing about) and for the love of fuck, don't write anymore about leaves of foliage or oceans. Things will fall back into place.

Or maybe Ed will make his own mind up about that.

Byrnzie

chadwick wrote:

hello people!!! hurricane katrina was a natural disaster created at sea by mother nature.
the gulf oil environmental disaster was solely created by mankind's bullshit greed.

Except there was nothing natural about not fixing the sub-standard levies, and there was nothing natural about the complete cluster-fuck of any rescue operation after the hurricane hit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of ... ew_Orleans
'In a June 2006 report on the disaster,[32] the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers admitted that faulty design specifications, incomplete sections, and substandard construction of levee segments, contributed to the damage done to New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina.[33] A report released by the American Society of Civil Engineers in June 2007 concluded that two-thirds of the flooding in the city could have been avoided if the levees had held.'

chadwick

Byrnzie wrote:

chadwick wrote:

hello people!!! hurricane katrina was a natural disaster created at sea by mother nature.
the gulf oil environmental disaster was solely created by mankind's bullshit greed.

Except there was nothing natural about not fixing the sub-standard levies, and there was nothing natural about the complete cluster-fuck of any rescue operation after the hurricane hit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of ... ew_Orleans
'In a June 2006 report on the disaster,[32] the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers admitted that faulty design specifications, incomplete sections, and substandard construction of levee segments, contributed to the damage done to New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina.[33] A report released by the American Society of Civil Engineers in June 2007 concluded that two-thirds of the flooding in the city could have been avoided if the levees had held.'

i believe that.

electronblue

someone told me Hurricane Katrina flew out of Bush's left ear ~

Cliffy6745

Leave it to Sawyer to stir shit up and disappear....

Dork.

mickeyrat

not that anyone really should or does care , but there's a reason I dont go to AMT that much. This would be one of them.

MoonTurtle

respect him for doing the job he asked for?

que???

Sawyer wrote:

Flagg wrote:

Um, W might have something to say about that.

i disagree wholeheartedly and respect him for having to deal with 9/11

MoonTurtle

what???


so obama was elected cuz pj said so?


wow!!! backspacer is a celebration of obama?? wow!!


wow pj is more powerful than I thought! Here I thought there sogs just made me feel yummy, little did I know they were changing the world.

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Sometime around 1994, most of if not all the members of PJ became increasingly involved in politics. As a byproduct, a lot of fans also became more vocal and aware as well. In the following decade and a half, albums and concerts were continually saturated with songs and long ass speeches, and finally, with Obama's election, the band appeared to have been satisfied politically because the popular vote mirrored their own ideals. Now, not even 2 years later, the president is already being called the worst president ever.

Does this mean PJ and the fans that hang on their every political word don't know shit about politics? Would everyone be better served just shutting the fuck up and making good albums again so that balance can be restored in the world?

Remember, Backspacer was hailed as a celebration of Ed's approval of Obama. Seems like such a waste of time now, yes?

MoonTurtle

so Tesla is not to blame for global weather changes?

yay!!!

BlackThirteen

yeesh a political thread. Politics seems to always be a really touchy subject. Everyone seems to be really adamant about their beliefs hence why I try to steer clear of the issue.

As for the topic. I don't think he is the worst president ever. I mean just the word "worst" seems to denote opinion. And there's really no measure for how good or bad a president is. It's all simply opinion. The thing that really irks me is that people seem to take their own opinions way to seriously. No one's word on a subject like this is gospel so to each his/her own.

Byrnzie

MoonTurtle wrote:

respect him for doing the job he asked for?

Some people are tax collectors.

Next!

MoonTurtle

umm that is lost on me


soooo yea


http://www.newsweek.com/2009/03/22/the- ... -star.html

Byrnzie wrote:

MoonTurtle wrote:

respect him for doing the job he asked for?

Some people are tax collectors.

Next!

PearlJam24

The problem is not so much the President as it is the legislative branch. Sure Obama and other Presidents before him had ideas to try and make this country better but it's difficult to accomplish things with corrupt politicians. It's a game to these morons who like to play republicans vs. democrats. They don't care about you or your country...they care about how much money in bribes they can hide in their backyards, attics, or freezers.

In regards to the oil spill in the gulf...what a mess. As a resident of Louisiana I'm devistated. I'm at a loss of words about how bad this is for our marshes, wetlands, and wildlife. I place the blame on BP. With all the information coming out, BP was the one looking the other way when it came to the safety of the crew and took short cuts when operating their machinery. They knew they had a problem with the blow out preventer days before the accident occurred but chose to ignore it because they didn't want to spend the money to fix it. I work for ExxonMobil and this is the same attitude that I see everyday at work. These companies don't give two shits about their employees. Equipment is breaking down and they refuse to spend money to fix it. I worry about my safety every day at work. To quote one of my co-workers who has been there for 30 years, "They're going to kill someone running things this way." All to save a fucking penny.

The government cannot to much of anything to stop the oil. Yes the major oil companies are working together behind closed doors. With the leak being 5000 feet below the surface of the gulf, and leaking pipes laid out like spaghetti noodles on the gulf floor...no one's prepared for a catastrophe like this. They had a similar problem off the coast of Mexico and it took them 9 months to cap the well. It's just sad that it could have been avoided and the 11 people that lost their lives in the blast could be at home with their families right now. All over what BP, a few thousand fucking dollars? And you were making how much a day? Oh yeah, that's right, over a million...do me a favor, clean the shit up and get the fuck out of our country. You're not welcome anymore!

Byrnzie

PearlJam24 wrote:

The problem is not so much the President as it is the legislative branch. Sure Obama and other Presidents before him had ideas to try and make this country better but it's difficult to accomplish things with corrupt politicians. It's a game to these morons who like to play republicans vs. democrats. They don't care about you or your country...they care about how much money in bribes they can hide in their backyards, attics, or freezers.

In regards to the oil spill in the gulf...what a mess. As a resident of Louisiana I'm devistated. I'm at a loss of words about how bad this is for our marshes, wetlands, and wildlife. I place the blame on BP. With all the information coming out, BP was the one looking the other way when it came to the safety of the crew and took short cuts when operating their machinery. They knew they had a problem with the blow out preventer days before the accident occurred but chose to ignore it because they didn't want to spend the money to fix it. I work for ExxonMobil and this is the same attitude that I see everyday at work. These companies don't give two shits about their employees. Equipment is breaking down and they refuse to spend money to fix it. I worry about my safety every day at work. To quote one of my co-workers who has been there for 30 years, "They're going to kill someone running things this way." All to save a fucking penny.

The government cannot to much of anything to stop the oil. Yes the major oil companies are working together behind closed doors. With the leak being 5000 feet below the surface of the gulf, and leaking pipes laid out like spaghetti noodles on the gulf floor...no one's prepared for a catastrophe like this. They had a similar problem off the coast of Mexico and it took them 9 months to cap the well. It's just sad that it could have been avoided and the 11 people that lost their lives in the blast could be at home with their families right now. All over what BP, a few thousand fucking dollars? And you were making how much a day? Oh yeah, that's right, over a million...do me a favor, clean the shit up and get the fuck out of our country. You're not welcome anymore!

Hear hear!

pickupyourwill

Sawyer wrote:

...historians would most likely argue Andrew Johnson who stepped in for Lincoln. He was a blatant racist who was close to retracting emancipation....However, Mr. Obama's time in office has been as ugly as his girly jump shot.

Andrew Johnson didn't have millions and millions of viewers watching the news everyday--critiquing him every single day--every move under a constant, never-ending microscope. just sayin'.

The Juggler

polaris_x wrote:

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Sometime around 1994, most of if not all the members of PJ became increasingly involved in politics. As a byproduct, a lot of fans also became more vocal and aware as well. In the following decade and a half, albums and concerts were continually saturated with songs and long ass speeches, and finally, with Obama's election, the band appeared to have been satisfied politically because the popular vote mirrored their own ideals. Now, not even 2 years later, the president is already being called the worst president ever.

Does this mean PJ and the fans that hang on their every political word don't know shit about politics? Would everyone be better served just shutting the fuck up and making good albums again so that balance can be restored in the world?

Remember, Backspacer was hailed as a celebration of Ed's approval of Obama. Seems like such a waste of time now, yes?

i don't think anyone has anything susbstantive to indicate that Obama is remotely close to being the Worst President Ever ... I mean - the world is still suffering the consequences of 8 years of W ...

having said that - if you go to the Moving Train ... you will see that there was equally the same number of people who were against obama from both sides of the political spectrum ... now, his supporters pre-election are starting to have misgivings ... the question tho is would mccain/palin be any better during this economic crisis!? ... i hardly doubt it ...

that is hardly the question because we all know the answer....the real question is why can't this great country produce more solid choices who actually have a shot at winning.

our system is broken from the core people...dems/repubs--they're all the same.

The Juggler

gabers wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

obama is a centrist at best, most likely a conservative democrat. .

there's nothing conservative about all the money he's spent over the last couple years.

Or the way lil' Bush, daddy Bush, or Ronnie, for that matter, spent OUR money. But somehow theirs was just because it was for defense spending and war mongering instead of trying to stimulate a failing economy or trying to ensure affordable healthcare for all Americans. :roll:

Come on now, at least Obama has a legitimate reason for increased spending.

nope.
wrong again. there has not been a true conservative in office in DECADES my friend. decades.

and, in case you have not noticed, obama has not ended anything. he's merely adopted the same iraq polices as his predecessor and sent more troops and spent more money in afghanistan. they're both "war mongers." obama is just dreadful and his administration is as inept as any other we've had.

chadwick

pickupyourwill wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

...historians would most likely argue Andrew Johnson who stepped in for Lincoln. He was a blatant racist who was close to retracting emancipation....However, Mr. Obama's time in office has been as ugly as his girly jump shot.

Andrew Johnson didn't have millions and millions of viewers watching the news everyday--critiquing him every single day--every move under a constant, never-ending microscope. just sayin'.

this is true.
back then it took quite some time for news to circulate whereas today as soon as you fart it is global news.
right now on msnbc it reads that Obama has morning wood... nicely done mr. president.

Flagg

For one thing, people always assume that whatever they are going through at the moment is the "best ever" or the "worst ever" with no historical perspective. Probably because we didn't live 100 years ago and have no sense of the impact of some of the decisions made at that time but you cannot have a "worst president ever" discussion without the following:

Hebert Hoover, Richard Nixon, Ulysses Grant, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, Warren Harding, James Buchanan.

I think Obama is going to fall somewhere around the middle because he isn't going to be able to effect half of the changes he wanted to or promised and as has been noted, he has already gone back on a lot of his campaign promises. You know what that makes him? Normal. Or in other words, average.

I think W is going to wind up in the bottom half, but certainly not the worst either.

Campaign promises suck. These guys (all of them) promise the world and then when they win the election they realize "Oh, wait, I can't do that I guess".

Oh, and good point on the media exposure today. They can't do anything without the bloggers and talk show hosts ripping them 5 minutes later. Like the ridiculous controversy over Obama skipping the Arlington Cemetery Memorial Day Service this weekend when Bush, George HW Bush (who missed all 4 when he was in office) and Reagan have done that as well. Plus Obama attended the service at Lincoln National Cemetery. Arlington isn't the only one. Hate on him all you want. He deserves it for some things, but not for this.