Roland Martin: If you are elected what is the very first thing that you focus on as Commander in Chief of this country?
Barack Obama: Well, we will call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I will give them a new assignment and that is to bring our troops home in a careful, responsible way, but to end this occupation in Iraq. I will call in my Secretary of State and initiate the diplomacy that's needed to make sure that exit is accompanied by negotiations between the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.
Not the Worst president ever, but send 30,000 more troops to iraq and afganistan after saying this (which is the reason i voted for him) = he sucks ASS!!!
biggest reason why i won't be voting for him in 2012.
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
I thought Bush said all the right things after 9/11
Deny it if you like but Bush had the country pretty united in the months following.
I asked you what he said after 9/11 that was right.
As far as the U.S being united after 9/11 they were just united in blood lust and a juvenile feeling of revenge encouraged by the idiot frat boys of the Bush Administration and your servile media.
Fat lot of good it did though, as Osama Bin Laden is still alive, Al Queda is still operating, and the American tax payers are still channeling over $4 Billion of military aid into Israel every year ensuring that Americans will still be hated by millions across the world. I.e, Business as usual.
i was united because i lost 2 cousins and 80 some odd friends
anybody who didn't lose someone close has NO IDEA
i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
i was united because i lost 2 cousins and 80 some odd friends
anybody who didn't lose someone close has NO IDEA
United in what way? United with the Bush Administration? Or united with your family who had suffered a loss? Or both? Or are the two mutually exclusive? Maybe you can elaborate?
Being united with your family in a time of grief isn't the same as being united with a corrupt administration.
not that it matters too much but shouldn't this be in the Moving Train section?
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i was united because i lost 2 cousins and 80 some odd friends
anybody who didn't lose someone close has NO IDEA
United in what way?
sadness hate revenge sorrow name it we had it
i'm done with this thread but i ask all those to respect 9/11
I'm with you on that and I didn't lose anyone I know. Sorry for your loss.
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Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
I asked you what he said after 9/11 that was right.
As far as the U.S being united after 9/11 they were just united in blood lust and a juvenile feeling of revenge encouraged by the idiot frat boys of the Bush Administration and your servile media.
Fat lot of good it did though, as Osama Bin Laden is still alive, Al Queda is still operating, and the American tax payers are still channeling over $4 Billion of military aid into Israel every year ensuring that Americans will still be hated by millions across the world. I.e, Business as usual.
he didn't have to say much and the initial message was more " stand united" than "kill bin laden"
I think Bush sucked pretty bad but Obama hasn't done much better
I thought Bush said all the right things after 9/11
Like what? :?
Deny it if you like but Bush had the country pretty united in the months following.
Yeah, and he had the sympathy of the WORLD. And he fucked that up. And he turned that unity into arrogance. Anything Obama does will never come close to what W did - occupying Iraq, and most importantly, THE PATRIOT ACT. I haven't read this entire thing, but anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist, then must really love a dictator because only a dictatorial person would think that is for the "greater good." Like I said, I haven't read this entire thing, but I can't believe the Patriot Act hasn't come up. If any of you even think that's a good idea, then you live by the notion of fear and have no business bringing your heads out of the sand.
Kat, Sea - somebody move this to the Moving Train.
this administration is just as inept as the previous one.
our country needs a viable third option...right now.
of course we do and have, that's why we have people like karl rove, barney frank, fox news....to polarize people and divide them with partisanship so the majority picks a team and automatically dismisses anything the other team says because 'they are fucking idiots'. we'd rather attack and just call them names rather than listening and having an actual discussion. no one is right all the time and people who think they are are usually annoying pricks.
it's sad so many don't seem to realize they just reverse roles every few years of giving their star players free passes when they are on top but when the other team is in power and doing the same things suddenly it's the worst thing ever and anyone who supports it is a moron. we're too busy attacking each other instead and writing off anything the other side says instead of actually working to fix problems.
people point to small little crumbs we have been given in the last 2 years and say 'see, see!' but those crumbs are far from the promise of change that was marketed to us for almost 4 years nonstop. basically, what we are supposed to believe is when obama was saying all those things he was just clueless about how politics worked, apparently he thought the republicans would just go along with everything he wanted.....
lastly, i still laugh now and then when i think of during the campaign when it was leaked from a meeting that obama never intended to renegotiate NAFTA and how that was just a ploy to get support from certain demographics the obama supporters went crazy saying it was a lie........and yet..........
his 2012 campaign slogan should be
maybe someday! or change? who said anything about change??
Yeah, and he had the sympathy of the WORLD. And he fucked that up. And he turned that unity into arrogance. Anything Obama does will never come close to what W did - occupying Iraq, and most importantly, THE PATRIOT ACT. I haven't read this entire thing, but anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist, then must really love a dictator because only a dictatorial person would think that is for the "greater good." Like I said, I haven't read this entire thing, but I can't believe the Patriot Act hasn't come up. If any of you even think that's a good idea, then you live by the notion of fear and have no business bringing your heads out of the sand.
Kat, Sea - somebody move this to the Moving Train.
Sometime around 1994, most of if not all the members of PJ became increasingly involved in politics. As a byproduct, a lot of fans also became more vocal and aware as well. In the following decade and a half, albums and concerts were continually saturated with songs and long ass speeches, and finally, with Obama's election, the band appeared to have been satisfied politically because the popular vote mirrored their own ideals. Now, not even 2 years later, the president is already being called the worst president ever.
Does this mean PJ and the fans that hang on their every political word don't know shit about politics? Would everyone be better served just shutting the fuck up and making good albums again so that balance can be restored in the world?
Remember, Backspacer was hailed as a celebration of Ed's approval of Obama. Seems like such a waste of time now, yes?
Sometime around 1994, most of if not all the members of PJ became increasingly involved in politics. As a byproduct, a lot of fans also became more vocal and aware as well. In the following decade and a half, albums and concerts were continually saturated with songs and long ass speeches, and finally, with Obama's election, the band appeared to have been satisfied politically because the popular vote mirrored their own ideals. Now, not even 2 years later, the president is already being called the worst president ever.
Does this mean PJ and the fans that hang on their every political word don't know shit about politics? Would everyone be better served just shutting the fuck up and making good albums again so that balance can be restored in the world?
Remember, Backspacer was hailed as a celebration of Ed's approval of Obama. Seems like such a waste of time now, yes?
i don't think anyone has anything susbstantive to indicate that Obama is remotely close to being the Worst President Ever ... I mean - the world is still suffering the consequences of 8 years of W ...
having said that - if you go to the Moving Train ... you will see that there was equally the same number of people who were against obama from both sides of the political spectrum ... now, his supporters pre-election are starting to have misgivings ... the question tho is would mccain/palin be any better during this economic crisis!? ... i hardly doubt it ...
I don't know the answer. There are too many hands in too many pockets and it's impossible for any single person to make a significant difference.
Ed would be better served looking to topics other than politics (because that's boring and uninteresting to sing about) and for the love of fuck, don't write anymore about leaves of foliage or oceans. Things will fall back into place.
hammerdonkey for president?
vote #1... chadwick,,, yes/no?
yes... chaching.
let the political bullshit and lies begin.
btw, make weed legal and we'll be set.
just had to remind hammerdonkey of the bong hits i want to be doing, legally.
either way i'm doing bong hits... kiss my ass congress.
obama is a centrist at best, most likely a conservative democrat. .
there's nothing conservative about all the money he's spent over the last couple years.
Or the way lil' Bush, daddy Bush, or Ronnie, for that matter, spent OUR money. But somehow theirs was just because it was for defense spending and war mongering instead of trying to stimulate a failing economy or trying to ensure affordable healthcare for all Americans. :roll:
Come on now, at least Obama has a legitimate reason for increased spending.
hello people!!! hurricane katrina was a natural disaster created at sea by mother nature.
the gulf oil environmental disaster was solely created by mankind's bullshit greed.
Ed would be better served looking to topics other than politics (because that's boring and uninteresting to sing about) and for the love of fuck, don't write anymore about leaves of foliage or oceans. Things will fall back into place.
hello people!!! hurricane katrina was a natural disaster created at sea by mother nature.
the gulf oil environmental disaster was solely created by mankind's bullshit greed.
Except there was nothing natural about not fixing the sub-standard levies, and there was nothing natural about the complete cluster-fuck of any rescue operation after the hurricane hit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of ... ew_Orleans 'In a June 2006 report on the disaster,[32] the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers admitted that faulty design specifications, incomplete sections, and substandard construction of levee segments, contributed to the damage done to New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina.[33] A report released by the American Society of Civil Engineers in June 2007 concluded that two-thirds of the flooding in the city could have been avoided if the levees had held.'
hello people!!! hurricane katrina was a natural disaster created at sea by mother nature.
the gulf oil environmental disaster was solely created by mankind's bullshit greed.
Except there was nothing natural about not fixing the sub-standard levies, and there was nothing natural about the complete cluster-fuck of any rescue operation after the hurricane hit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of ... ew_Orleans 'In a June 2006 report on the disaster,[32] the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers admitted that faulty design specifications, incomplete sections, and substandard construction of levee segments, contributed to the damage done to New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina.[33] A report released by the American Society of Civil Engineers in June 2007 concluded that two-thirds of the flooding in the city could have been avoided if the levees had held.'
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Sometime around 1994, most of if not all the members of PJ became increasingly involved in politics. As a byproduct, a lot of fans also became more vocal and aware as well. In the following decade and a half, albums and concerts were continually saturated with songs and long ass speeches, and finally, with Obama's election, the band appeared to have been satisfied politically because the popular vote mirrored their own ideals. Now, not even 2 years later, the president is already being called the worst president ever.
Does this mean PJ and the fans that hang on their every political word don't know shit about politics? Would everyone be better served just shutting the fuck up and making good albums again so that balance can be restored in the world?
Remember, Backspacer was hailed as a celebration of Ed's approval of Obama. Seems like such a waste of time now, yes?
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Sammi: Wanna just break up?
i was united because i lost 2 cousins and 80 some odd friends
anybody who didn't lose someone close has NO IDEA
United in what way? United with the Bush Administration? Or united with your family who had suffered a loss? Or both? Or are the two mutually exclusive? Maybe you can elaborate?
Being united with your family in a time of grief isn't the same as being united with a corrupt administration.
sadness hate revenge sorrow name it we had it
i'm done with this thread but i ask all those to respect 9/11
And how do you feel about it now ten years later? Do you think Bush et al did the right thing?
A million Iraqis were killed since the U.S invasion in 2003. Was that justified?
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I'm with you on that and I didn't lose anyone I know. Sorry for your loss.
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"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
he didn't have to say much and the initial message was more " stand united" than "kill bin laden"
I think Bush sucked pretty bad but Obama hasn't done much better
Yeah, and he had the sympathy of the WORLD. And he fucked that up. And he turned that unity into arrogance. Anything Obama does will never come close to what W did - occupying Iraq, and most importantly, THE PATRIOT ACT. I haven't read this entire thing, but anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist, then must really love a dictator because only a dictatorial person would think that is for the "greater good." Like I said, I haven't read this entire thing, but I can't believe the Patriot Act hasn't come up. If any of you even think that's a good idea, then you live by the notion of fear and have no business bringing your heads out of the sand.
Kat, Sea - somebody move this to the Moving Train.
pretty on point there pepe....
there's nothing conservative about all the money he's spent over the last couple years.
Does this mean PJ and the fans that hang on their every political word don't know shit about politics? Would everyone be better served just shutting the fuck up and making good albums again so that balance can be restored in the world?
Remember, Backspacer was hailed as a celebration of Ed's approval of Obama. Seems like such a waste of time now, yes?
i don't think anyone has anything susbstantive to indicate that Obama is remotely close to being the Worst President Ever ... I mean - the world is still suffering the consequences of 8 years of W ...
having said that - if you go to the Moving Train ... you will see that there was equally the same number of people who were against obama from both sides of the political spectrum ... now, his supporters pre-election are starting to have misgivings ... the question tho is would mccain/palin be any better during this economic crisis!? ... i hardly doubt it ...
Ed would be better served looking to topics other than politics (because that's boring and uninteresting to sing about) and for the love of fuck, don't write anymore about leaves of foliage or oceans. Things will fall back into place.
vote #1... chadwick,,, yes/no?
yes... chaching.
let the political bullshit and lies begin.
btw, make weed legal and we'll be set.
just had to remind hammerdonkey of the bong hits i want to be doing, legally.
either way i'm doing bong hits... kiss my ass congress.
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I am tired; my heart is
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no more forever."
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Or the way lil' Bush, daddy Bush, or Ronnie, for that matter, spent OUR money. But somehow theirs was just because it was for defense spending and war mongering instead of trying to stimulate a failing economy or trying to ensure affordable healthcare for all Americans. :roll:
Come on now, at least Obama has a legitimate reason for increased spending.
can i ask why you don't think that it is the same ball park? not saying your wrong but just wondering why you think that way.
the gulf oil environmental disaster was solely created by mankind's bullshit greed.
that my friends is two different ball parks.
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I am tired; my heart is
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Or maybe Ed will make his own mind up about that.
Except there was nothing natural about not fixing the sub-standard levies, and there was nothing natural about the complete cluster-fuck of any rescue operation after the hurricane hit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of ... ew_Orleans
'In a June 2006 report on the disaster,[32] the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers admitted that faulty design specifications, incomplete sections, and substandard construction of levee segments, contributed to the damage done to New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina.[33] A report released by the American Society of Civil Engineers in June 2007 concluded that two-thirds of the flooding in the city could have been avoided if the levees had held.'
i believe that.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Forgive every being,
the bad feelings
it's just me"
Dork.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
que???
so obama was elected cuz pj said so?
wow!!! backspacer is a celebration of obama?? wow!!
wow pj is more powerful than I thought! Here I thought there sogs just made me feel yummy, little did I know they were changing the world.
yay!!!