Tampa Bay Poster

eyesnoeyes

I can see your point - but do we really need to set the bar lower for the 'super-fan'? I mean, how hard is it to couple your criticisms with something constructive?? As I've said in my overly-wordy posts above - I think the OP got nailed because of the 'Hate Ames' aspect.

I don't know - it's not that hard to stick to trying to be a little positive, and I don't think that the uber-fans should get some sort of pass...

Vedderlution_Baby

It's gotta be stressful working for us fans. We're crazy. We have poster elitist, setlist elitist, seat elitist, memorabilia elitist, bootleg elitist, and every other kind of elitist you can think of. And when something doesn't go our way, or please us, we get more than a little vocal about it. I can only imagine how shitty that can be at times. People want tenclub to be personal and close with the fans. This is what happens. You cant have them acting like people and being close instead of a huge business without the human emotions coming into play.

TheLostSoul

I fully understand Tim's frustration. His job, at times, seems impossible. Can't please everyone, especially when we are this spoiled by everything that has been offered to us over the years. Quite frankly, I'm surprised it took him this long to speak up about it.

I will say that 'loser' and 'asshole' was a bit over the top and unnecessary though. And I'd be willing to bet, that in hindsight, he would probably agree. But you can't blame the dude. People flip out and toss a word or two in from time to time. He is human, just like the rest of us, including the people who design the posters.

Kel Varnsen

eyesnoeyes wrote:

I can see your point - but do we really need to set the bar lower for the 'super-fan'? I mean, how hard is it to couple your criticisms with something constructive?? As I've said in my overly-wordy posts above - I think the OP got nailed because of the 'Hate Ames' aspect.

I don't know - it's not that hard to stick to trying to be a little positive, and I don't think that the uber-fans should get some sort of pass...

I don't think they should get a pass either, not at all. But I am not sure if throwing around words like "losers" and "asshole" is the best way to treat hardcore fans (the ones that will as much as they say negative things, will support the band no matter what), especially when a simple note about keeping your comments more constructive, or just deleting the post would probably just have been sufficient.

norm

Kel Varnsen wrote:

I don't think they should get a pass either, not at all. But I am not sure if throwing around words like "losers" and "asshole" is the best way to treat hardcore fans (the ones that will as much as they say negative things, will support the band no matter what), especially when a simple note about keeping your comments more constructive, or just deleting the post would probably just have been sufficient.

but people whose vocabulary peaks at "hate" and "sucks" won't understand a politely worded criticism so tim put it words they would understand

Vedderman51

Didn't BostonLou get banned for name calling? But its ok for Tim to call people "assholes" that doesn't seem right

LONGRD

Lukin66 wrote:

hmm, so I can't have an opinion? I don't like Ames, so I don't buy them. Simple as that. Though I am surprised that I can't post a single thought in my head that doesn't line directly paralell with the 10C. Why didn't the WHOLE THREAD bashing Ames because Klausen only got 3 posters this tour get this special treatment too? I'll make it a point from now on not to express my thoughts on (of all things) a message board. I hope you have a nice day too, Tim :rolleyes:

You call this statement an opinion? :rolleyes: Give some reasons behind it.

Lukin66 wrote:

gawd, I hate Ames

I'm just glad I'm not into posters.

eldarion75

Rubysdad wrote:

We get it. Some people don't like some of the posters. Do we have to come on here with such negativity? If you don't like it, don't get it. I'm REALLY sick of assholes who think they're critics. Try it yourself. Start your own band. Run your own fan club. Moderate your own board. If you have to say you hate someone/something, please find somewhere else to do it. These guys are busting their talented asses to provide posters for (mostly) grateful, art-loving Pearl Jam fans and the last thing we want is for them to have to read such sophomoric drivel from losers.

Have a nice.

Tim

Really uncool of you going off on one & calling people assholes just because they are voicing their opinion of something, be it 'art' so called or not.

Fair enough a lot of people who post here are lowbrow at best and the manner in which they express their opinion echoes that, but they pay your wages and on a very basic level are entitled to not only not be abused by you because you have a position where you think you can, but given the hitherto excellent standard set by Ames bros posters, they are allowed express their dissatisfaction with this really substandard effort(meaning the WPB-the Tampa is great) without being being berated for it.
You don't sound like you enjoy your job, I suggest a career break or even change.

Hope you're ok,

dave

JOEJOEJOE

eldarion75 wrote:

Really uncool of you going off on one & calling people assholes just because they are voicing their opinion of something, be it 'art' so called or not.

Fair enough a lot of people who post here are lowbrow at best and the manner in which they express their opinion echoes that, but they pay your wages and on a very basic level are entitled to not only not be abused by you because you have a position where you think you can, but given the hitherto excellent standard set by Ames bros posters, they are allowed express their dissatisfaction with this really substandard effort(meaning the WPB-the Tampa is great) without being being berated for it.
You don't sound like you enjoy your job, I suggest a career break or even change.

Hope you're ok,

dave

Why do people have such a difficult time in differentiating between "expressing an opinion" and just being downright rude and lacking in class?

Not every business feels the need to tolerate abuse from it's customers.

The OPs tone/choice of words, not his opinion, is what is being questioned here.

gfraser

Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:

I say Tim called it like he saw it...

which was what lukin66 did wasnt it? and then tim shit on him. so if i call tim a asshole for his comments, just calling it like i see it, then thats cool?

evolvedmammal

sick design!! i love it

benjs

I apologize if it's been mentioned in this lengthy thread, but anyone notice that rather than a prism, it's an avocado? I think it's kinda cool

Vedderlution_Baby

benjs wrote:

I apologize if it's been mentioned in this lengthy thread, but anyone notice that rather than a prism, it's an avocado? I think it's kinda cool

I didn't notice. that is cool. I also wouldn't have noticed the resemblance between the zeppelin cover if someone didn't mention it.

eldarion75

Tampa is a great fuckin poster & i'd be delighted to have it in my collection..the WPB is completely irredeemably bad though, it's impossible to constructively crticise it as it's got no merit whatsoever.
Not worth the paper it's printed on, but the Tampa is a hopeful sign that things are gonna pick up.

BMoore09

I LOVE the tampa poster. I picked it up before the show. After the show there were 100's of people looking to buy one, but they were all sold out. I saw some dude on the street saying "i'll pay $150 for your poster". Times as they are, I sold. Tough to pass up. If I didnt have a bunch of other posters still rolled up in my closet, I would not have sold..but as it is, it paid for my ticket. A mistake? Maybe....

Fahka

Wow, ok well.. FIRSTLY


I dont think there is anything wrong with voicing your opinion... hate is a strong word.. but i believe some really strong words from Rubysdad was a little , hmm unnecessary? I'd get banned for calling these people assholes But its all good.. we all get frustrated at times.. but u know, im just your average non important pearl jam fan I personally really liked both of the posters.. of course i liked them when i cant afford em


No hate.. florida shows were kick a!

pjhead

Rubysdad wrote:

We get it. Some people don't like some of the posters. Do we have to come on here with such negativity? If you don't like it, don't get it. I'm REALLY sick of assholes who think they're critics. Try it yourself. Start your own band. Run your own fan club. Moderate your own board. If you have to say you hate someone/something, please find somewhere else to do it. These guys are busting their talented asses to provide posters for (mostly) grateful, art-loving Pearl Jam fans and the last thing we want is for them to have to read such sophomoric drivel from losers.

Have a nice.

Tim

I call Tim's job when he goes off the deep end...........

footstepstochris

Rubysdad wrote:

We get it. Some people don't like some of the posters. Do we have to come on here with such negativity? If you don't like it, don't get it. I'm REALLY sick of assholes who think they're critics. Try it yourself. Start your own band. Run your own fan club. Moderate your own board. If you have to say you hate someone/something, please find somewhere else to do it. These guys are busting their talented asses to provide posters for (mostly) grateful, art-loving Pearl Jam fans and the last thing we want is for them to have to read such sophomoric drivel from losers.

Have a nice.

Tim

Rock on Tim.....Who said everyone has to like the same thing people. I love the Tampa poster. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....

footstepstochris

So you just have to say some daring things to get some real "superfans" to respond I guess. Ill have to remember that one. I cant ask a question ten different ways and get no response...my naivete for thinking us PJ followers were a different more peace enlightment seeking breed.

Second, This argument is stupid. Tim didnt call anyone a direct asshole...he said he is tired of people complaining, to him the negativity means "assholes" in general. No time out necessary. Since when should it be a crime for any of us to say how we feel/think. Lukin should be allowed to say his view and Tim the same. Lets not all get so personal.

Songburst

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

I think it's probably more of a cumulative thing...listening to people whine and complain about like everything. AND...don't you think he would have a little better idea as to whether the Ames guys look at the board or not than you?

AND... maybe it would SUCK if you were an artist and people were complaining about your most current work before you had even gone public with 90% of it. I would think you guys all sucked if I was the artist.

AND... for the record... I love the WPB poster and happen to really like a lot of what Ames puts out there. I didn't really get a look at tonight's yet... but guys... maybe (??) there is a lot of really negative and mean spirited energy around here sometimes and somewhere along the line it has become "cool" to trash Ames.

Sometimes people benefit from a little slap down. Makes them re-examine themselves....

The problem is that Tim is seen as a representative of the band on here and berating complaining fans is still shitting on your fans. If he would have prefaced his post with "the following rant is the opinion of a disgruntled reader of posts and not that of Pearl Jam ..." it would have been fine. His post has been posted countless times by other people over the last few years.

Also, am I the only person who sees the irony in the statement that the complainers are "sophmoric losers" and that the proposed solution in the same post was a very playground-esque "start your own club then"? I actually thought that he would get pounced on quickly by the sharp wits around here for that blunder.

Anyway -- Tim - come stay at my camp for a couple of weeks and unwind. The bugs are the shits right now but the fishing and drinks are great.