Who's better, MIke FaceMelter Mccready or Eddie Van Halen?

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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,864
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  • Blah
    Blah Posts: 469
    Even Eddie Van Halen has admitted he's over-rated. Anyone who knows anything about guitar knows that the technical players are nothing more than robots following notes. Players like Hendrix and McCready play with an inner emotion that only a handful can reach. Some of the folks in this thread make me laugh, I know it's hard sometimes not to follow the sheep but lets not be asinine here.

    Cready gets da nod.
  • Flagg
    Flagg Posts: 5,856
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    So when we think about the greatest hard rock/rock n roll guitarists........

    Names that come to mind....

    Hendrix
    Beck
    Clapton
    Page

    And then Mr. Van Halen would have to be listed in the next 5-6.......Right????

    Mr. Mccready.....As much as I dig the guy.....Isnt in the top 50....Right????

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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    Beach Bum wrote:
    Even Eddie Van Halen has admitted he's over-rated. Anyone who knows anything about guitar knows that the technical players are nothing more than robots following notes. Players like Hendrix and McCready play with an inner emotion that only a handful can reach. Some of the folks in this thread make me laugh, I know it's hard sometimes not to follow the sheep but lets not be asinine here.

    Cready gets da nod.

    "Robots following notes"
    "The technical players"

    You make it sound like it is simple to play like EVH or Joe Satriani. Anyone who knows anything about guitar knows that the technical players need to have a huge understanding of music theory and the various modes and scales to play the music they do. I hear stories about Eric Johnson getting certain tones based on the finger he uses to pluck the strings. These folks immersed themselves into the guitar. Please penalize them for their huge knowledge about music theory and virtuoso versatility. To say they don't play with heart is what is asinine.

    Plus, EVH is not all about the solo. He has written tons of great songs over the years.

    McCready plays just about all his solos in the pentatonic scales. There is not a lot of variety to his playing. I think that is McCready's limitation. I don't think the majority of his solos are memorable because they lack melody and structure which is why some Even Flow solos click and some don't. He's got great chops, and they work well with this band, but like Speedy McCready said in a post above, McCready (Mike not Speedy) is not mentioned in the top 50 rock guitarist lists and it is not because the media and music people have a bias. I remember (may have been the Pittsburgh 2003 show) that Ed let Mike play a little speed metal. It was one of the most fun 15 seconds of McCready playing I heard. I wish Mike was allowed to play more different styles.

    The only time I have a negative thing to say about a band member's ability on this board is when you all make them out to be gods. Mike Mccready is the reason I learned guitar by the way.

    Being a great rhythm player is in my opinion much more difficult that being a good soloist, which gives EVH the nod in this argument.
  • rlaidepeas
    rlaidepeas St. Louis, MO Posts: 306
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    This thread is as ridiculous as the Jimmy Page vs. Mike McCready thread. If a band had a better solo guitarist than Eddie Van Halen they wouldn't have released their latest album with only two guitar solos on it (i.e., Backspacer).

    Eddie Van Halen wins this battle in a landslide. There is a reason Eddie Van Halen is so worshipped in the guitar magazines. I'll listen to Pearl Jam over Van Halen any day, but I know that EVH is in a different universe as a guitar, regardless of whatever style the two play.

    You can like watching Seth Rogan movies more than Al Pacino movies, but that doesn't mean that Seth Rogan is a better actor than Al Pacino.

    +1000000 I am not a Van Halen fan by ANY means, but the guy is one of the top 10 guitar players of all time. McCready, as great as he is, is not in the conversation. Sorry guys.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    so in summary: people who like Pearl Jam and dont know anything about guitar vote Mike

    everyone else on Earth votes Eddie.

    /thread
  • fox_mulderX
    fox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
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  • Blah
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  • Jay1187
    Jay1187 Wakefield, MA Posts: 130
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  • Horos
    Horos Posts: 4,518
    Another dumb thread! Mike isn't even close. Drink some more kool-aid people.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Another point I'd like to make...Someone mentioned a Mt Rockmore for guitarist and said Mike would be on it for Alt. Rock.....I'd say Stone deserved the honor more than Mike. Kurt Cobain, Jerry Cantrell, Thayil, Billy Corgan, Adam Jones, Frusciante, Johnny Greenwood are all people I'd put up there before Mike and that's only including maintream alt rock.

    Another mentioned to 50 of all time.... Mike's not in the top 100 and maybe not 200...I love Mike but he doesn't have an original style, in his lead playing or signature sounds he uses when writing. Plus, he doesn't write many songs, most guitarists that are mentioned have written dozens .
  • Paul Andrews
    Paul Andrews Posts: 2,489
    Pearl Jam is a classic case of the sum of the parts being lesser than the total of the whole.

    They all contribute something which when put together becomes something amazing. In sporting terms, a team of champions is nowhere near a champion team.

    If you put Ed's lyrics over a Flock Of Seagulls tune - it would suck.
    If you put Stone's riffs in a Creed song - it would suck.
    Jeff's bass in Oasis - it would suck
    Matt's beat's in a techno song would suck.
    Mike's solo in a Nicklecrap song would suck.
    Boom in Bronski Beat would just be plain sad.

    But put them all together and they could cover songs by any of these bands and kill them - or create the amazing songs we love them for.
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  • Break The Sky
    Break The Sky Posts: 1,276
    Alright, well, let's make this simple.

    Here is a Mike McCready solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2IrGshrgHM

    Here is an Eddie Van Halen solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdFJTbaFcZ0

    You tell me which one is better.
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  • Brisk.
    Brisk. Posts: 11,578
    your asking a PJ forum? :P
  • Blah
    Blah Posts: 469
    edited May 2010
    Big Drop wrote:
    Alright, well, let's make this simple.

    Here is a Mike McCready solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2IrGshrgHM

    Here is an Eddie Van Halen solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdFJTbaFcZ0

    You tell me which one is better.

    Damn Mike put da whoppin on him.

    Great Post!
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  • Blah
    Blah Posts: 469
    DewieCox wrote:
    Another point I'd like to make...Someone mentioned a Mt Rockmore for guitarist I'd say Kurt Cobain deserved the honor.

    :lol:
  • BALLBOY
    BALLBOY Australia Posts: 1,035
    Has to be Mike as he has never played a rubbish synthersizer solo!
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  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    Mike's a wailer, EVH is a shredder. Who is better at what he does should be the question.
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  • Paul Andrews
    Paul Andrews Posts: 2,489
    markin ball wrote:
    Mike's a wailer, EVH is a shredder. Who is better at what he does should be the question.

    Mike is best at being Mike
    EVH is best at being EVH

    Roll up, roll up, everyone is a winner in this game... 8-)
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  • WM31482
    WM31482 New York, NY Posts: 563
    Paul Andrews wrote:
    If you put Ed's lyrics over a Flock Of Seagulls tune - it would suck.
    If you put Stone's riffs in a Creed song - it would suck.
    Jeff's bass in Oasis - it would suck
    Matt's beat's in a techno song would suck.
    Mike's solo in a Nicklecrap song would suck.
    Boom in Bronski Beat would just be plain sad.

    But put them all together and they could cover songs by any of these bands and kill them - or create the amazing songs we love them for.

    what kind of analysis is this? name one riff for me that sounds good over a creed song......

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