Walked out of the DC show

number1PJfan

somebodyelsessky2020 wrote:

Yeah just imagine if his opinions were in his songs and if other rock stars tried to help save what was left of the world....good grief we'd be in trouble! :roll:

Yeah, just imagine if he were to put his opinions into the songs? He might accidentally influence someone to think in a way that is different from what they are used to thinking. OMG!!! He is the devil. :twisted:

Gern Blansten

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Cradles Broken Glass wrote:

Besides, we all know Pearl Jam/Ed is very political, are we really that surprised?

How is he political? He comments on stories that are in the news. He's as "political" as Jay Leno or David Letterman is. "George Bush is a bad president", "Goldman-Sachs fucked up". Well the clerk behind the counter at the 7/11 could tell ya that stuff.

do you pay attention to any lyrics to his songs? come on man....very political

bootlegger10

Ed would probably agree that his "kill themselves" comment was way over the line so give the OP a break.

What is ridiculous is that Ed blasts the lobbyists when the politicians Pearl Jam support (and write songs for) take money from the lobbyists and you don't get a peep out of Eddie. Change we can all believe in. We'll take money from Goldman Sachs until the shit hits the fan and the media finds out.

Most of you on this board are hypocrites. If the band was pro-life, pro-gun, pro-religion I would bet a HUGE percentage of you would be complaining or would have never listened to the band to begin with. This has been debated to no end in the past, but it is true and most of the people here would be crying like babies if Ed ever said something pro-conservative and would do more than just walk out of a concert. They would probably go home and cry and wonder how they fell in love with this band and do a lot of soul searching.

You live in worlds where you believe guns create criminals, where babies make people poor and not happy, etc...

gar mcmichael

It's a good thing you overly sensitive types don't listen to metal. You wouldn't make it through the first verse of any Slayer song without crying.

It's rock and roll. Deal with it.

MANKIND

im confused i thought this was said in bristow

Chris Desi

Tremendously ignorant and juevenile thing to say. I understand your feelings and might have done the same thing you did...

Ledbetterman10

usamamasan1 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

How is he political? .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSnJLSRAUcE
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So singing a cover song is political? I guess that makes Green Day political because they've covered Lennon's "Give Peace a Chance." I suppose Eminem is political too because he's mentioned George Bush's name in songs. Dude, you don't get it. If he was "political" as you and Cradles Broken Glass say he is, he'd write opinion articles or appear on Bill Maher or do SOMETHING in addition to giving drunken rants from the stage. Anyone could rant to 20,000 fans who already paid $100 to see him. I'd like to see how his opinions would fare in debate on some MSNBC or Foxnews show.

Ledbetterman10

Gern Blansten wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Cradles Broken Glass wrote:

Besides, we all know Pearl Jam/Ed is very political, are we really that surprised?

How is he political? He comments on stories that are in the news. He's as "political" as Jay Leno or David Letterman is. "George Bush is a bad president", "Goldman-Sachs fucked up". Well the clerk behind the counter at the 7/11 could tell ya that stuff.

do you pay attention to any lyrics to his songs? come on man....very political

No one's talking about his lyrics. We're talking about his on-stage talking. But you bring up a good point with the lyrics. He's such a great lyricist that he should just let the lyrics do the talking. He sings MUCH better than he talks.

Gern Blansten

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

How is he political? He comments on stories that are in the news. He's as "political" as Jay Leno or David Letterman is. "George Bush is a bad president", "Goldman-Sachs fucked up". Well the clerk behind the counter at the 7/11 could tell ya that stuff.

do you pay attention to any lyrics to his songs? come on man....very political

No one's talking about his lyrics. We're talking about his on-stage talking. But you bring up a good point with the lyrics. He's such a great lyricist that he should just let the lyrics do the talking. He sings MUCH better than he talks.

You said "how is he political" and then compared his political talk to Leno or Letterman

hardly...his lyrics show someone very informed and with a strong opinion

THAT is how he is political

Cradles Broken Glass

I'm glad to see that I as right,lol. I would be disappointed to find out that I've been religiously listening to PJ and watching PJ dvds for 10+ years and not no anymore about them than that. Also, I would like to add that one time I saw PJ and they strayed from commenting on anything political. Another, Ed made his case in a very respectful and informed way to the audience. I have great respect for these guys and all they do. However, I'm sure the DC show was him talking before he thought and I think we are all guilty of that at times.

acutejam

I think we should only attend events where we'll hear things to our liking. Likewise, folks who like to preach should only do so when they know they'll have a receptive audience.

I don't know why you'd want to try and persuade people who think differently from you. Our weekend BBQs should be limited to only people who agree with one another, and our sports events should only have one side's fans attend.

Long Live the American Echo Chambers!

Ledbetterman10

Gern Blansten wrote:

You said "how is he political" and then compared his political talk to Leno or Letterman

hardly...his lyrics show someone very informed and with a strong opinion

THAT is how he is political

I stand by my claim that when Eddie TALKS politics onstage, he comes off like the left-wing celebrities that were portrayed as mindless in Team America. When he's riffing on things, it's just too much "fuck people who don't agree with my views" type of rhetoric. Song lyrics are another story. As are onstage speeches describing what may have inspired certain songs. But his speech at Bristow that inspired this thread was a perfect example of an Eddie speech gone wrong. Does anyone in the crowd care what Eddie Vedder has to say about Goldman-Sachs? Well I sure don't but I know that some people in the crowd do. But those who do care are treated to the suggestion that lobbyists should kill themselves.

But whatever, I sure didn't walk out of the show and as long as he brings the goods when he's singing (as he always does), I'm fine with having to endure hearing what's on his mind.

Gary Carter

usamamasan1 wrote:

didn't the VFC tour donate funds to help elect some guy? That's pretty political. :?

yea that some guy was john kerry. the same guy who flip flopped more then a fish does.

say didn't ed also show up at nader rallys in between vfc tour dates



pot meet kettle

Vedderfan10 wrote:

Oh, and I can't believe you believe in "free speech" and then act all offended at one person's opinion. Free speech my ass...

it's only free speech in america if it fits your view and sadly this thread is a perfect example of the dumb america that exists today




i seem to remember obama saying he get our troops out of iraq and afghanistan. but yet he's still pumping billions of dollars into the war. oh the irony.









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theoceansmademe

mulva8 wrote:

I was wondering if anyone else at the DC show was upset with EV comments that lobbyist for financial institutions should "kill themselves"? I thought it was an awful thing to say. It totally sucked the life right out of the show for me. I understand that Eddie had the right to speak his mind, but I thought that comment was so crass and ignorant and it really upset me. When they started "The Fixer" I couldn't even move I was so stunned and upset and I looked at my brother and we both said "let's leave". And there were quite a few people leaving when we were (just before the first encore).

I certainly don't look to the band to be my moral compass, but to marginalize someone's life and suicide I think is irresponsible. After 13 years in the fan clubs and almost 20 shows I can't say I am excited about seeing them again.

I was wondering if anyone else felt the same way.

Wow, you are a real small minded jackass.

I don't recall when EV said it put he thanked the crowd for supporting them all these years so they could have so much in their lives and continue to play.

Then during the 1st encore EV dedicated Just Breathe to, I believe, his son.

Why point out the negative?

Plus it was a joke. Again you are a JACKASS for leaving and a bigger JACKASS for starting this thread.

Please go away.

Bearfan80

mulva8 wrote:

I was wondering if anyone else at the DC show was upset with EV comments that lobbyist for financial institutions should "kill themselves"? I thought it was an awful thing to say. It totally sucked the life right out of the show for me. I understand that Eddie had the right to speak his mind, but I thought that comment was so crass and ignorant and it really upset me. When they started "The Fixer" I couldn't even move I was so stunned and upset and I looked at my brother and we both said "let's leave". And there were quite a few people leaving when we were (just before the first encore).

I certainly don't look to the band to be my moral compass, but to marginalize someone's life and suicide I think is irresponsible. After 13 years in the fan clubs and almost 20 shows I can't say I am excited about seeing them again.

I was wondering if anyone else felt the same way.

wow, losing a comment due to EV's comments... Must not have been a true fan anyways...

bicyclejoe

This thread is dumb

Gary Carter

bicyclejoe wrote:

This thread is dumb

yea the cheap shots to the OP are dumb. it's called free speech people. something the band very much supports. i wonder what people would think if ed was a card carrying nra member.






BTW- can anyone tell me wtf a true fan is. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:. i'd like to know bout that.

Gern Blansten

metsfan wrote:

bicyclejoe wrote:

This thread is dumb

yea the cheap shots to the OP are dumb. it's called free speech people. something the band very much supports. i wonder what people would think if ed was a card carrying nra member.






BTW- can anyone tell me wtf a true fan is. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:. i'd like to know bout that.

doesn't free speech apply to those lobbing the cheap shots as well?

Byrnzie

INDIFFERENCE MAKER wrote:

Shut up and sing.

Yeah, be a robot with no opinion about anything. Good advice!

Byrnzie

CJMST3K wrote:

His comment went something like this (and I'm paraphrasing):


Is there anyone here who's a lobbyist? (a couple of hands go up - crowd boos in general)
Now, now... there are lobbyists who work for good things like (insert something good here).
And there are lobbyists who work for Goldman Sachs. If you're a lobbyist for Goldman Sachs, please kill yourself. You'll save the life of others... instead of taxpayers bailing out Goldman Sachs.... yada yada...

I don't really mean "kill yourself", but please change, and work for good.


(again, I'm paraphrasing)

Sounds like he was just paraphrasing Bil Hicks. Who gives a fuck?