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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,184
    I can't think of anything worse than an a-rod/michael kay simulcast of SNB. :sick:
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
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    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,695
    I’ve been out of the card game for a long time but I do know Fanatics by purchasing signed stuff (bats, jerseys, etc).  

    They truly have taken over the market.  
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,997
    Wobbie said:
    I can't think of anything worse than an a-rod/michael kay simulcast of SNB. :sick:
    They're good. And it's only 8 games
    I miss igotid88
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,184
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Posts: 16,446
    Congrats to the greatest free agent signing the Cubs ever made.
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,071
    Wobbie said:
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:

    I think he gets in the HoF (maybe not first ballot, but eventually)
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,612
    eeriepadave said:
    Wobbie said:
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:

    I think he gets in the HoF (maybe not first ballot, but eventually)
    Lester

    I look at the over all numbers, the 3 World Series championship teams, his post season record, and I have to agree with you.
    In my eyes Lester is a Hall Of Famer. 
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Posts: 9,296
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Wobbie said:
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:

    I think he gets in the HoF (maybe not first ballot, but eventually)
    Lester

    I look at the over all numbers, the 3 World Series championship teams, his post season record, and I have to agree with you.
    In my eyes Lester is a Hall Of Famer. 
    I could see him getting in eventually, perhaps at the end of his eligibility or by the veteran's committee. There are currently six pitchers in the Hall of Fame with between 200 and 210 wins and with the recent devaluing of wins, you could make the case for 200 being the new 300.
    Reading 2004
    Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
    Chicago 2007
    Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
    Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
    Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
    Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
    Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
    Fenway 2, 2018
    MSG 2022
    St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
    MSG 2024, MSG 2024
    Philadelphia 2024
    "I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
    Things happen in the game. Nothing you
    can do. I don't go and say,
    "I'm gonna beat this guy up."
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,612
    xavier mcdaniel said:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Wobbie said:
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:

    I think he gets in the HoF (maybe not first ballot, but eventually)
    Lester

    I look at the over all numbers, the 3 World Series championship teams, his post season record, and I have to agree with you.
    In my eyes Lester is a Hall Of Famer. 
    I could see him getting in eventually, perhaps at the end of his eligibility or by the veteran's committee. There are currently six pitchers in the Hall of Fame with between 200 and 210 wins and with the recent devaluing of wins, you could make the case for 200 being the new 300.
    How many lefties with 200 wins, and part of 3 championships?
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,997
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Wobbie said:
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:

    I think he gets in the HoF (maybe not first ballot, but eventually)
    Lester

    I look at the over all numbers, the 3 World Series championship teams, his post season record, and I have to agree with you.
    In my eyes Lester is a Hall Of Famer. 
    If David Cone is not a HOF Lester should not get in
    I miss igotid88
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,184
    igotid88 said:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Wobbie said:
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:

    I think he gets in the HoF (maybe not first ballot, but eventually)
    Lester

    I look at the over all numbers, the 3 World Series championship teams, his post season record, and I have to agree with you.
    In my eyes Lester is a Hall Of Famer. 
    If David Cone is not a HOF Lester should not get in

    let's put in everyone who has ever been a yankees!!!! good god.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,612
    Wobbie said:
    igotid88 said:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Wobbie said:
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:

    I think he gets in the HoF (maybe not first ballot, but eventually)
    Lester

    I look at the over all numbers, the 3 World Series championship teams, his post season record, and I have to agree with you.
    In my eyes Lester is a Hall Of Famer. 
    If David Cone is not a HOF Lester should not get in

    let's put in everyone who has ever been a yankees!!!! good god.
    Mel Hall?
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,612
    edited January 2022
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    Wobbie said:
    igotid88 said:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Wobbie said:
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:

    I think he gets in the HoF (maybe not first ballot, but eventually)
    Lester

    I look at the over all numbers, the 3 World Series championship teams, his post season record, and I have to agree with you.
    In my eyes Lester is a Hall Of Famer. 
    If David Cone is not a HOF Lester should not get in

    let's put in everyone who has ever been a yankees!!!! good god.
    Mel Hall?
    Damn, for some reason Mel Hall was the 1st obviously non deserving ex yankee who came to mind. I have no idea why he entered my mind. And now I just did some research on him. 45 years prison for sexual assault. 
    Post edited by SPEEDY MCCREADY on
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Posts: 9,296
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    Wobbie said:
    igotid88 said:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Wobbie said:
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:

    I think he gets in the HoF (maybe not first ballot, but eventually)
    Lester

    I look at the over all numbers, the 3 World Series championship teams, his post season record, and I have to agree with you.
    In my eyes Lester is a Hall Of Famer. 
    If David Cone is not a HOF Lester should not get in

    let's put in everyone who has ever been a yankees!!!! good god.
    Mel Hall?
    Damn, for some reason Mel Hall was the 1st obviously non deserving ex yankee who came to mind. I have no idea why he entered my mind. And now I just did some research on him. 45 years prison for sexual assault. 
    Mel Hall's two most notable Yankee moments are hitting the walkoff off Jeff Reardon on Memorial Day 1991 when the Yankees spent about a month flirting with .500 before losing 91 games and in 1992 calling Bernie Williams "Mr. Zero", which obviously convinced the Yankees to get rid of him heading into the 1993 season.
    Reading 2004
    Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
    Chicago 2007
    Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
    Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
    Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
    Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
    Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
    Fenway 2, 2018
    MSG 2022
    St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
    MSG 2024, MSG 2024
    Philadelphia 2024
    "I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
    Things happen in the game. Nothing you
    can do. I don't go and say,
    "I'm gonna beat this guy up."
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,612
    For my 1st 45 years of my life?
    The Cubs considered losing only 91 games? A step in the right direction! 
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,997
    Wobbie said:
    igotid88 said:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Wobbie said:
    congrats, jon lester, on a great career.

    kershaw should follow his lead :angry:

    I think he gets in the HoF (maybe not first ballot, but eventually)
    Lester

    I look at the over all numbers, the 3 World Series championship teams, his post season record, and I have to agree with you.
    In my eyes Lester is a Hall Of Famer. 
    If David Cone is not a HOF Lester should not get in

    let's put in everyone who has ever been a yankees!!!! good god.
    He has 5 words series rings. His WAR which is a thing now is higher than Lester's. Cone didn't even make it past the first year on the ballot. 
    I miss igotid88
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    Good career on some great teams. 

    Numbers a lot like Wainwright and I think both are just on the outside looking in.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,944
    I think a reasonable comp for Lester is Curt Schilling.

    Schilling was 216-146 with a 3.46 ERA, 3116 Ks.
    Lester 200-1117 with a 3.66, 2488Ks

    Both have 3 rings; however, Schilling is one of the greatest post season pitchers of the last quarter century.
    Schilling postseason was 11-2 with a 2,23 ERA and a WS MVP
    Lester postseason was 9-7 with a 2.51 ERA

    Schilling is not in. Came close last year with 71.1% of votes. Early indications are he is taking a step back this year.
    His politics are likely playing a role in his exclusion (which is unfortunate but reality), so were he a nice, soft-spoken individual who kept his political leanings to himself he might have made it in just barely.

    To me, Schilling has a slightly better resume than Lester, therefore I don't see Lester as HOF worthy.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,370
    Lester in the HOF?  NO NO NO NO NO.
    Mediocre at best. 
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    ^
    Wow, lester had 1117 losses
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,370
    MayDay10 said:
    ^
    Wow, lester had 1117 losses
    ALL-time leader.  He has more than Cy Young!
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,944
    MayDay10 said:
    ^
    Wow, lester had 1117 losses
    Ha, excellent typo (also last 4 of my cell number so maybe a subconscious typo). I'm not editing it.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,043
    Baseball is the last sport to put you in the hall for championships won. Lester was consistently very good, and probably very much indeed the best FA signing of the Cubs. But is no way a hall of famer.

    BA's JAWS score is my go-to:

    Hall of Fame Statistics

     
      Black Ink
        Pitching - 8 (383), Average HOFer ≈ 40
      Gray Ink
        Pitching - 148 (119), Average HOFer ≈ 185
      Hall of Fame Monitor
        Pitching - 98 (105), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
      Hall of Fame Standards
        Pitching - 40 (78), Average HOFer ≈ 50
      JAWS
        Starting Pitcher (149th):
          44.2 career WAR | 34.6 7yr-peak WAR | 39.4 JAWS | 39.4 S-JAWS | 3.3 WAR/162
        Average HOF P (out of 66):
          73.0 career WAR | 49.8 7yr-peak WAR | 61.4 JAWS | 56.8 S-JAWS | 4.5 WAR/162
    • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
      edited January 2022
      What somewhat-contemporary pitchers are probably going to the Hall?

      Kershaw
      Mad Bum
      Verlander
      Scherzer
      Greinke? Kluber? Sabathia? Sale?  Then what?

      They are going to have to induct somebody


    • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,456
      Not sure about Lester...great pitcher for sure. He may get in towards the end of his eligibility, though.
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    • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,043
      Kershaw, Verlander, Grienke, Scherzer are all HOF imo of the guys playing right now.
    • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,184
      MayDay10 said:
      What somewhat-contemporary pitchers are probably going to the Hall?

      Kershaw
      Mad Bum
      Verlander
      Scherzer
      Greinke? Kluber? Sabathia? Sale?  Then what?

      They are going to have to induct somebody



      kershaw (dammit!), verlander, scherzer and, I guess, greinke. maybe sabbathia. without looking at the numbers, I don't think sale.
      If I had known then what I know now...

      Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
      VIC 07
      EV LA1 08
      Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
      Columbus 10
      EV LA 11
      Vancouver 11
      Missoula 12
      Portland 13, Spokane 13
      St. Paul 14, Denver 14
      Philly I & II, 16
      Denver 22
    • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
      I don’t know if CC should get in, but he will
    • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
      I think MadBum’s postseason performance gives him the edge over most other borderline guys. Elevated numbers and probably the best of this generation. Win total could drag him down.
    • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,043
      I think Bumgarner and Lester are both on the outside looking in, but MadBum is closer than Lester imo because he has the next 6, 7, 8 years to change that.
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