I say Arod. Just pretend he didn't take the PED's if you can.
Who's better? You can't say Ripken because he doesn't have the numbers. Ozzie Smith either.
Honus Wagner?
Arod besides Bonds and Pujols' 11 year run was the best all around player I have seen w my own two eyes.
It is a tough question. You have era-adjusted, Honus Wagner was great, but if you transplanted him to the year 2005, with those slabs of leather they called gloves back then (sharing with the other SS)... I dunno... also, the position changed. Prior to 1990, with few exceptions (Ripken), it was a purely defensive position, and any offense was just a bonus.
The best defensive shortstop I ever saw was probably a tie between Ozzie and Vizquel
If you are skewing more toward offensive (and power) numbers, you go more toward the A-Rod and Jeter. Id definitely give A-Rod, vintage Seattle and Texas a nod over Jeter overall.
Lindor and Correa are pretty great.
You also might consider Ernie Banks and Robin Yount
A-rod had better range than all of the players you mentioned but Smith and Vizquel. Those are the best defensive players I've ever seen. Arod was no slouch either. Dude could play the position. Then he played 3rd at an elite level.
For hitting Arod is second to only Honus but like you said, he did it in a different era.
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Rollins and Tex would get my HOF votes…..with Bonds, of course.
Is Buster the only guy to win CBPOY TWICE?
If I had known then what I know now...
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Rollins and Tex would get my HOF votes…..with Bonds, of course.
Is Buster the only guy to win CBPOY TWICE?
I don't think Rollins will get enough votes to be eligible next year. Teixeira has good numbers but will probably not get the 15%? to stay on. He's borderline though. Maybe he'll get the votes that would have gone to A-Rod
Bonds Clemens Sosa Vizquel. He should be in for his defense alone since they let Smith in. Arod Ramirez
Manny, Vizquel and Sosa get shit on. Sosa was a 30/30 guy before he was a HR hitter. Vizquel I mentioned already. Manny was a beast and he doesn’t even get a mention anymore.
It used to be if you hit certain numbers you got in. There were a lot of writers that didn’t mind the long balls in 1996-2008…
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Paywalled. When was each ball used and what was the difference between them?
MLB are a bunch of fuckers. I'm sure Jeff Passan will put out a story countering this claiming the innocence of the league and owners, since he is their bitch boy/lap dog.
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For hitting Arod is second to only Honus but like you said, he did it in a different era.
I enjoy talking about these things.
Objectively, Arod
can I get some love for rich aurilia?
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10/31/09- Philly
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7/19/13- Wrigley
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9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
Is Buster the only guy to win CBPOY TWICE?
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Bonds
Clemens
Sosa
Vizquel. He should be in for his defense alone since they let Smith in.
Arod
Ramirez
Manny, Vizquel and Sosa get shit on. Sosa was a 30/30 guy before he was a HR hitter. Vizquel I mentioned already. Manny was a beast and he doesn’t even get a mention anymore.
It used to be if you hit certain numbers you got in. There were a lot of writers that didn’t mind the long balls in 1996-2008…
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
If you can have murderers and wife beaters in the HOF then some very poor choice in hazing should be allowed too.
He should have been in before that incident anyways...
Early contender favorite now.
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I like Canha and love Max - dude is first ballot hof. Crazy money to pay, though.
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Basement friggin team. I don't get it.
He is one I can see pitching effectively until he's 45 though. He is built like that.
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Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
MLB are a bunch of fuckers. I'm sure Jeff Passan will put out a story countering this claiming the innocence of the league and owners, since he is their bitch boy/lap dog.
That is where I thought the change came from.