Woman dies saving her dog...

chadwick

eyedclaar wrote:

People also debate this without the adrenaline and fear of real panic mode. We behave in super crazy illogical ways when panic sets in. Some folks stop thinking and just start reacting... or they shut down altogether. It is easy to say what you think you will do, and what you should do, but what you really do is another story. The only time I have ever considered slapping my wife was when we were in a tight spot deep in the mountains and she went into full blown panic and reacted very poorly. Normally she wouldn't have done that, but who knows how you might react on any given day and to what situation.

i really seriously doubt that people on here would walk head first into a ragging inferno to save a life, rather it be a human or a dog.

in fact i would bet my life on it.

pandora

eyedclaar wrote:

pandora wrote:

This is the funny thing about a debate like this, I can't change your mind and no one will change my heart
I know there are many here that get my point and I see the other side. It does come down to a persons values and what their heart tells them to do. Dunkman said he didn't have a heart though, well not like the one I speak of, but I know he certainly does.
For me my heart is also my conscience. As I said in my original post, I would hope to be so brave as to save my dogs because I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't try. They are my bestest buddies which obviously some people can not understand. I raised my children like this, my husband believes as I do,maybe even more so, one if the things I love him so for. I know they would understand if I left this world like this.
Anyways this lady will remain a hero to me, may her soul rest now with God and may she be forever blessed with this kind of love. The kind of love that makes life worth living and dying for.

People also debate this without the adrenaline and fear of real panic mode. We behave in super crazy illogical ways when panic sets in. Some folks stop thinking and just start reacting... or they shut down altogether. It is easy to say what you think you will do, and what you should do, but what you really do is another story. The only time I have ever considered slapping my wife was when we were in a tight spot deep in the mountains and she went into full blown panic and reacted very poorly. Normally she wouldn't have done that, but who knows how you might react on any given day and to what situation.

I agree with your thoughts, none of us know how we would react. I know I'm not real good in emergencies, I've found that out already.

eyedclaar

pandora wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

pandora wrote:

This is the funny thing about a debate like this, I can't change your mind and no one will change my heart
I know there are many here that get my point and I see the other side. It does come down to a persons values and what their heart tells them to do. Dunkman said he didn't have a heart though, well not like the one I speak of, but I know he certainly does.
For me my heart is also my conscience. As I said in my original post, I would hope to be so brave as to save my dogs because I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't try. They are my bestest buddies which obviously some people can not understand. I raised my children like this, my husband believes as I do,maybe even more so, one if the things I love him so for. I know they would understand if I left this world like this.
Anyways this lady will remain a hero to me, may her soul rest now with God and may she be forever blessed with this kind of love. The kind of love that makes life worth living and dying for.

People also debate this without the adrenaline and fear of real panic mode. We behave in super crazy illogical ways when panic sets in. Some folks stop thinking and just start reacting... or they shut down altogether. It is easy to say what you think you will do, and what you should do, but what you really do is another story. The only time I have ever considered slapping my wife was when we were in a tight spot deep in the mountains and she went into full blown panic and reacted very poorly. Normally she wouldn't have done that, but who knows how you might react on any given day and to what situation.

I agree with your thoughts, none of us know how we would react. I know I'm not real good in emergencies, I've found that out already.

It's funny because I normally have a cagey nervous energy thing going, but in tight situations, I am calm as a stone.

the wolf

chadwick wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

People also debate this without the adrenaline and fear of real panic mode. We behave in super crazy illogical ways when panic sets in. Some folks stop thinking and just start reacting... or they shut down altogether. It is easy to say what you think you will do, and what you should do, but what you really do is another story. The only time I have ever considered slapping my wife was when we were in a tight spot deep in the mountains and she went into full blown panic and reacted very poorly. Normally she wouldn't have done that, but who knows how you might react on any given day and to what situation.

i really seriously doubt that people on here would walk head first into a ragging inferno to save a life, rather it be a human or a dog.

in fact i would bet my life on it.

You would lose that bet my friend.

When I was 16 we lived in a huge apartment complex. it was Dec. 23, my sister and I were out christmas shopping. we couldnt get down the street to our apt. so went around another way and pulled into a church parking lot behind the complex. I saw fire shooting out of the top floor windows and top of the building.

My sister claims I jumped out of the car as she sped up the hill and never broke stride and ran towards evreyone looking for my Mom. A friend said that she had gone back into the building to get some old lady out and they didn't see her come out. I went running to the building and was 2 steps away from the door when my mom grabbed me. she had come out the other side of the building and was standing up front of the crowd with the old lady.
my point is, I've been there. I didn't think twice about going in after my mother, nor did she think twice about going in after the old lady. and before anyone says that we put fire fighter life at risk, not really. they were not even fucking there yet. Had my mother waited there is no doubt the old lady would have died.

comebackgirl

eyedclaar wrote:

pandora wrote:

This is the funny thing about a debate like this, I can't change your mind and no one will change my heart
I know there are many here that get my point and I see the other side. It does come down to a persons values and what their heart tells them to do. Dunkman said he didn't have a heart though, well not like the one I speak of, but I know he certainly does.
For me my heart is also my conscience. As I said in my original post, I would hope to be so brave as to save my dogs because I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't try. They are my bestest buddies which obviously some people can not understand. I raised my children like this, my husband believes as I do,maybe even more so, one if the things I love him so for. I know they would understand if I left this world like this.
Anyways this lady will remain a hero to me, may her soul rest now with God and may she be forever blessed with this kind of love. The kind of love that makes life worth living and dying for.

People also debate this without the adrenaline and fear of real panic mode. We behave in super crazy illogical ways when panic sets in. Some folks stop thinking and just start reacting... or they shut down altogether. It is easy to say what you think you will do, and what you should do, but what you really do is another story. The only time I have ever considered slapping my wife was when we were in a tight spot deep in the mountains and she went into full blown panic and reacted very poorly. Normally she wouldn't have done that, but who knows how you might react on any given day and to what situation.

Exactly. The part of our brain that kicks in and starts functioning in a panic situation is a totally different part than the portion that manages logical thought. It all becomes about fight/flight/freeze and instinct takes over. I always think that if someone breaks into my house I'm gonna kick some ass. But usually when I hear a noise when I'm alone at night the first thing I do is freeze. Then calm sets in...which is weird because I'm usually a bit of a high strung mess So you don't know. We all know what we think we would do...but once adrenalin takes hold it's all about instinct and how you're hardwired.

pandora

the wolf wrote:

chadwick wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

People also debate this without the adrenaline and fear of real panic mode. We behave in super crazy illogical ways when panic sets in. Some folks stop thinking and just start reacting... or they shut down altogether. It is easy to say what you think you will do, and what you should do, but what you really do is another story. The only time I have ever considered slapping my wife was when we were in a tight spot deep in the mountains and she went into full blown panic and reacted very poorly. Normally she wouldn't have done that, but who knows how you might react on any given day and to what situation.

i really seriously doubt that people on here would walk head first into a ragging inferno to save a life, rather it be a human or a dog.

in fact i would bet my life on it.

You would lose that bet my friend.

When I was 16 we lived in a huge apartment complex. it was Dec. 23, my sister and I were out christmas shopping. we couldnt get down the street to our apt. so went around another way and pulled into a church parking lot behind the complex. I saw fire shooting out of the top floor windows and top of the building.

My sister claims I jumped out of the car as she sped up the hill and never broke stride and ran towards evreyone looking for my Mom. A friend said that she had gone back into the building to get some old lady out and they didn't see her come out. I went running to the building and was 2 steps away from the door when my mom grabbed me. she had come out the other side of the building and was standing up front of the crowd with the old lady.
my point is, I've been there. I didn't think twice about going in after my mother, nor did she think twice about going in after the old lady. and before anyone says that we put fire fighter life at risk, not really. they were not even fucking there yet. Had my mother waited there is no doubt the old lady would have died.

There are heros out there that will risk their life to save another, more than we know. I admire your bravery and your heart.

guacamolejoe

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I can just picture my wake/funeral, after I died saving my dogs life...

As I lay in the coffin, there is no doubt someone in my family, or one of my friends would bring my dog into the wake. As I lay in my coffin, and family members are grieving, the good preacher would start to say a few kind words.....

As this was going on my dog would be there doing one of 2 things...or both.....

1. He would be licking his balls....
2. After licking his balls, he would start humping my girlfriends leg.

And the reason he didn't pee on your coffin was because somebody left their "mark" already .

As for the woman who died, it was a fatal mistake. I'm sorry but no animal is worth the price of "your" life or mine. I have been at a fire when a woman was screaming "My baby, my baby". Only to find out she was talking about her dog. We had to rescue the firefighter out of the window. :?

chadwick

eyedclaar wrote:

It's funny because I normally have a cagey nervous energy thing going, but in tight situations, I am calm as a stone.

we have things in common.

chadwick

the wolf wrote:

You would lose that bet my friend.

When I was 16 we lived in a huge apartment complex. it was Dec. 23, my sister and I were out christmas shopping. we couldnt get down the street to our apt. so went around another way and pulled into a church parking lot behind the complex. I saw fire shooting out of the top floor windows and top of the building.

My sister claims I jumped out of the car as she sped up the hill and never broke stride and ran towards evreyone looking for my Mom. A friend said that she had gone back into the building to get some old lady out and they didn't see her come out. I went running to the building and was 2 steps away from the door when my mom grabbed me. she had come out the other side of the building and was standing up front of the crowd with the old lady.
my point is, I've been there. I didn't think twice about going in after my mother, nor did she think twice about going in after the old lady. and before anyone says that we put fire fighter life at risk, not really. they were not even fucking there yet. Had my mother waited there is no doubt the old lady would have died.

that is amazing on you and your mother.
i stand corrected.
(shakes your hand through the internet)

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

People also debate this without the adrenaline and fear of real panic mode. We behave in super crazy illogical ways when panic sets in. Some folks stop thinking and just start reacting... or they shut down altogether. It is easy to say what you think you will do, and what you should do, but what you really do is another story. The only time I have ever considered slapping my wife was when we were in a tight spot deep in the mountains and she went into full blown panic and reacted very poorly. Normally she wouldn't have done that, but who knows how you might react on any given day and to what situation.

i really seriously doubt that people on here would walk head first into a ragging inferno to save a life, rather it be a human or a dog.

in fact i would bet my life on it.

id do it for my child and my granddaughter. without hesitation.

chadwick

catefrances wrote:

id do it for my child and my granddaughter. without hesitation.

i would hope nobody would go into a ragging inferno to save me.
im not talkin about a kitchen fire.
im talkin full blast inferno situation.
please don't come find me.
it isn't worth it.
everyone dying, being burnt alive to get to me and to help me out???

please do not....

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

catefrances wrote:

id do it for my child and my granddaughter. without hesitation.

i would hope nobody would go into a ragging inferno to save me.
im not talkin about a kitchen fire.
im talkin full blast inferno situation.
please don't come find me.
it isn't worth it.
everyone dying, being burnt alive to get to me and to help me out???

please do not....

dont fret none... i wont.

chadwick

catefrances wrote:

chadwick wrote:

catefrances wrote:

id do it for my child and my granddaughter. without hesitation.

i would hope nobody would go into a ragging inferno to save me.
im not talkin about a kitchen fire.
im talkin full blast inferno situation.
please don't come find me.
it isn't worth it.
everyone dying, being burnt alive to get to me and to help me out???

please do not....

dont fret none... i wont.

you're a prick

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

catefrances wrote:

chadwick wrote:

i would hope nobody would go into a ragging inferno to save me.
im not talkin about a kitchen fire.
im talkin full blast inferno situation.
please don't come find me.
it isn't worth it.
everyone dying, being burnt alive to get to me and to help me out???

please do not....

dont fret none... i wont.

you're a prick

:wave:

redrock

catefrances wrote:

chadwick wrote:

i really seriously doubt that people on here would walk head first into a ragging inferno to save a life, rather it be a human or a dog.

in fact i would bet my life on it.

id do it for my child and my granddaughter. without hesitation.

Same here. Would do it for my daughter. Not sure what my reaction would be for anyone else, but I would die for my daughter.

musicismylife78

while its a tragedy that woman died, i think she did the right thing. Can you imagine the agony she would have felt standing outside while her building went up in flames knowing her dog was being burned to ash inside? Imagine knowing this, thinking this. Imagine doing nothing and having the guilt of knowing you could go in there but are too scared or too chicken or too whatever to do it. I would assume the woman had she stayed outside, and not done a thing as her dog was burned alive, would have been gutted, and would have possibly thought of that day, that image the rest of her life.

We all have things we would die for. We would give our life for. For some its our religion. Or our political beliefs. Maybe our way of life or our freedom. Our family and friends. I see no problem including animals and pets in that list. Pets are a huge part of our lives.

Imagine for a moment, this woman was a mother. Her building was burning and her child was still inside. The natural, primal, instinctual reaction is that the mom goes in to save the child, no matter what. Imagine had that hypothetical mother done what you all wanted this woman to do with her dog, to do nothing. That woman or mother would have been shunned, ostracized and possibly murdered by a person who felt this mother did nothing as her child was trapped in a fire.

Its stunning how some of you could suggest any pet owner or anyone in general should sit around and watch an animal being burned alive.

redrock

musicismylife78 wrote:

That woman or mother would have been shunned, ostracized and possibly murdered by a person who felt this mother did nothing as her child was trapped in a fire.

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That's quite OTT! Even if you think that way, I'm thinking that should it be a pet instead of a child, no one would shun, ostracize or murder a person for not going into a raging fire to save an animal.

As harsh as it may seem, MOST people put more value on a child's life than a dog's. MOST people will find it a must to try to save a child trapped in a fire (risking their own lives) as opposed to MOST people would find it a bit 'foolish' to do the same for a pet. My neighbour is a firefighter and we were talking about this yesterday as some posters said it was their job to save people regardless. This is true, but he also said they would be quite saddened if, in the line of duty, a firefighter lost his life or was maimed for life because they had to try and rescue someone in the situation of this lady (and he did say her actions were foolish!). However, had no qualms whatsoever if a firefighter got into trouble trying to rescue someone who went in after a child/person (even if their action would still be classified as foolish). They need to take some very difficult decisions and whilst their life somes second to whoever may be trapped in this fire, sometimes they need to 'let go'. As a general rule, firefighters will not put their lives at risk to save a pet. And he did reiterate that going into a burning house with no protection is against all advice they can give!

musicismylife78

redrock wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

That woman or mother would have been shunned, ostracized and possibly murdered by a person who felt this mother did nothing as her child was trapped in a fire.

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That's quite OTT! Even if you think that way, I'm thinking that should it be a pet instead of a child, no one would shun, ostracize or murder a person for not going into a raging fire to save an animal.

As harsh as it may seem, MOST people put more value on a child's life than a dog's. MOST people will find it a must to try to save a child trapped in a fire (risking their own lives) as opposed to MOST people would find it a bit 'foolish' to do the same for a pet. My neighbour is a firefighter and we were talking about this yesterday as some posters said it was their job to save people regardless. This is true, but he also said they would be quite saddened if, in the line of duty, a firefighter lost his life or was maimed for life because they had to try and rescue someone in the situation of this lady (and he did say her actions were foolish!). However, had no qualms whatsoever if a firefighter got into trouble trying to rescue someone who went in after a child/person (even if their action would still be classified as foolish). They need to take some very difficult decisions and whilst their life somes second to whoever may be trapped in this fire, sometimes they need to 'let go'. As a general rule, firefighters will not put their lives at risk to save a pet. And he did reiterate that going into a burning house with no protection is against all advice they can give!

proves my point. if most firefighters think its useless or not worth it to go into a building to save a pet, this woman might have known that. Or even if she didnt her actions were in the right, because of what you said. Who else would have saved her pet? If the firefighters werent going to, who was? And as I said, had this woman done nothing, had just stood outside twittling her thumbs while her pet was burned alive, i would bet she wouldnt have ever forgiven herself. Ultimately, you act in the way your soul or heart tells you. I am an animal lover. I have long, my whole life, felt animals are important and have feelings, and are worth protecting and saving. I am a vegetarian for this reason.

My point is, this woman's dog was inside a building engulfed in flames. I think its absolutely ludicrous and complete poppycock to tell me that people shouldnt do all they can to protect and save any living being in such a situation, human or otherwise. If firefighters arent willing to save a pet, fine, it then becomes the duty of the owner or any other courageous and heroic person to go in there and save the being in there.

I can tell you right now, flat out, of course if there was a human being in a burning building I would help, but also, if my parents dog, I dont have a pet, if my parents dog was trapped in a fire, I would get him and save him, or try to. Flat out.

She had two choices: one, do nothing, and have the dying barks of her dog being tortured with flames haunt her the rest of her life, and wait for a firefighter who would have done nothing to save her dog OR two, man up, take a risk, and follow her heart, and save her dog. She made the right decision. She deserves to be alive, with her dog right now, but reguardless, she made the right decision.

Flat out, in my book, anyone who does nothing to save ANY type of being trapped in a fire or any type of situation, is an idiot, or worse. You dont sit around while something or someone you care about dies. You just dont.

redrock

musicismylife78 wrote:

I am an animal lover. I have long, my whole life, felt animals are important and have feelings, and are worth protecting and saving. .

I love animals - as I mentioned before I have cats, mice, etc. Would I go into a raging fire to save my cats? My gut would say yes because I would know of their fear and suffering. Would I risk leaving my daughter without a mother, my husband without a wife, my father without a daughter, etc. to save my cats? I honestly don't think so, but you never know. Would I be gutted if they don't survive? Yes, terribly.

Going on your statement that one cannot stand around while someone is dying... should this lady's neighbour have also gone in the house to try to save her when she realised she was in trouble and didn't come out the back door?

The rangers are hoping that the lady's parents will take the dog. What a sad daily reminder of their daughter. I'm sure they would rather have her in the house than her dog.

musicismylife78

redrock wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

I am an animal lover. I have long, my whole life, felt animals are important and have feelings, and are worth protecting and saving. .

I love animal - as I mentioned before I have cats, mice, etc. Would I go into a raging fire to save my cats? My gut would say yes because I would know of their fear and suffering. Would I risk leaving my daughter without a mother, my husband without a wife, my father without a daughter, etc. to save my cats? I honestly don't think so, but you never know. Would I be gutted if they don't survive? Yes, terribly.

The rangers are hoping that the lady's parents will take the dog. What a sad daily reminder of their daughter. I'm sure they would rather have her in the house than her dog.

as i said before thee are things that each person must decide on their own. Some would die for their religion, others would find that insane. Some would die for their family, others have been abused and so that idea of family isnt there. Some would die for their political beliefs, some wouldnt. etcetera etcetera.

I agree with the previous poster who expressed dismay at the mocking going on for those of us who would actually go into a building to save a pet. Or a non human being. Its like its some foreign alien concept to some of you here. What, save a dog?, how ridiculous!

If you think its okay to do nothing while a pet is being killed, thats your own baggage friend. I wouldnt have it. I wouldnt be the meek, soulless thing that doesnt act.

Its the same with someone like Chris Mccandless. Either you read the book, or saw the movie, and thought Chris was a hero, like I, Sean, or Ed or Krakauer many others did, or you though he was stupid or silly or a lunatic. He died essentially trying to live his life on his own terms. Some wouldnt do that. Some would just do nothing. Chris did something.