Obesity only here in the USA ?

Lizardjam

pandora wrote:

I want a little of that "unexplained weight loss" in my lifetime. I know its often listed as a symptom of a dreaded disease but whatever
and I always think 'unexplained weight loss and this is a bad thing?" sounds pretty good to me. Can you image getting on a scale just once and have it say 10lbs lighter for no apparent reason, thats like a dream come true!

Heheh I used to think that too! But no, i think it would be worrisome...

LikeAnOcean

RW81233 wrote:

why aren't there any threads on how disgusting thin people are and asking about why they can't eat more.

Because for every anorexic person in America, there are 500 obese people.

haffajappa

i'm kind of confused i guess cos i've only skipped over most of this thread but are people actually insinuating that being obese doesn't pose a threat to your health?

Lizardjam

haffajappa wrote:

i'm kind of confused i guess cos i've only skipped over most of this thread but are people actually insinuating that being obese doesn't pose a threat to your health?

I think i read that in this thread too.....

haffajappa

Lizardjam wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

i'm kind of confused i guess cos i've only skipped over most of this thread but are people actually insinuating that being obese doesn't pose a threat to your health?

I think i read that in this thread too.....

unless the blockage of arteries actually helps your cardiac system..

Lizardjam

haffajappa wrote:

Lizardjam wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

i'm kind of confused i guess cos i've only skipped over most of this thread but are people actually insinuating that being obese doesn't pose a threat to your health?

I think i read that in this thread too.....

unless the blockage of arteries actually helps your cardiac system..

And it's considered exercise to walk around with all the extra weight...it's like weight lifting for your heart and bones!

haffajappa

Lizardjam wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Lizardjam wrote:

I think i read that in this thread too.....

unless the blockage of arteries actually helps your cardiac system..

And it's considered exercise to walk around with all the extra weight...it's like weight lifting for your heart and bones!

yes and letting your heart carry a load of 5x the average person......... is healthy.........

Lizardjam

haffajappa wrote:

Lizardjam wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

unless the blockage of arteries actually helps your cardiac system..

And it's considered exercise to walk around with all the extra weight...it's like weight lifting for your heart and bones!

yes and letting your heart carry a load of 5x the average person......... is healthy.........

It's a workout! heheh :roll:

haffajappa

RW81233 wrote:

Two, in the U.S. we live in a society that now privileges thinness (because it is a marker of social class and has become the norm in regard to attractiveness), this is different from 1800s and 1900s when being fat meant you were rich enough to consume a lot of food (therefore no social stigmatism).

so privileges based on being fat are okay, but based on being skinny are immoral?

RW81233

haffajappa wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

Two, in the U.S. we live in a society that now privileges thinness (because it is a marker of social class and has become the norm in regard to attractiveness), this is different from 1800s and 1900s when being fat meant you were rich enough to consume a lot of food (therefore no social stigmatism).

so privileges based on being fat are okay, but based on being skinny are immoral?

hell no...i was just pointing out that body size discrimination is rooted in class discrimination. i don't like either.

RW81233

haffajappa wrote:

i'm kind of confused i guess cos i've only skipped over most of this thread but are people actually insinuating that being obese doesn't pose a threat to your health?

not insinuating...I am stating it as actually recognized scientific evidence that being in the "overweight" range is actually better for your health than being "normal". however the higher and lower you go the worse it is for you.

p.s. jose i usually agree with you on things, and didn't mean to pick on your thread i've just been doing research on this for the past year plus.

MayDay10

If you just look at the antiquated measure called bMI, then things get murky and you can call a lot of "overweight" people healthy. Personally, I am 5-6 and pretty solid as far as muscle mass and a little fat. My BMI makes it look like I am very overweight, but if you look at the more scientific measures, my body fat composition is pretty healthy. I distance run, play baseball, and get like one cold every 3 years... but "BMI" says I am overweight, and does for many fit people. BMI isnt a very good measure, but its convenient.

So if you take BMI out of the equation, there are a ton of "fat" and inactive people and that is increasing. There is a problem with that. Body mass isnt always unhealthy, but excessive fat is.

LikeAnOcean

RW81233 wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

i'm kind of confused i guess cos i've only skipped over most of this thread but are people actually insinuating that being obese doesn't pose a threat to your health?

not insinuating...I am stating it as actually recognized scientific evidence that being in the "overweight" range is actually better for your health than being "normal". however the higher and lower you go the worse it is for you.

p.s. jose i usually agree with you on things, and didn't mean to pick on your thread i've just been doing research on this for the past year plus.

Just curious, but do you have any links?

I've always heard/read that even a few pounds over weight can reduce lifespan and calorie reduction can slow down the aging process, so long as you're getting all your nutrients. Everything I'm finding online points to this conclusion. I'd like to read about the other study.

Anyways, obese people are usually 30 or more pounds over weight. I don't think we are talking about people who are a few pounds over.

haffajappa

RW81233 wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

i'm kind of confused i guess cos i've only skipped over most of this thread but are people actually insinuating that being obese doesn't pose a threat to your health?

not insinuating...I am stating it as actually recognized scientific evidence that being in the "overweight" range is actually better for your health than being "normal". however the higher and lower you go the worse it is for you.

p.s. jose i usually agree with you on things, and didn't mean to pick on your thread i've just been doing research on this for the past year plus.

but the thread is about obesity... not moderately overweight people..........

haffajappa

MayDay10 wrote:

If you just look at the antiquated measure called bMI, then things get murky and you can call a lot of "overweight" people healthy. Personally, I am 5-6 and pretty solid as far as muscle mass and a little fat. My BMI makes it look like I am very overweight, but if you look at the more scientific measures, my body fat composition is pretty healthy. I distance run, play baseball, and get like one cold every 3 years... but "BMI" says I am overweight, and does for many fit people. BMI isnt a very good measure, but its convenient.

So if you take BMI out of the equation, there are a ton of "fat" and inactive people and that is increasing. There is a problem with that. Body mass isnt always unhealthy, but excessive fat is.

i agree, my dad is a fit guy for his age (almost 60... go dad!) but he's japanese and is naturally short... his BMI says he is obese... and he's not even like some sort of muscle man, just an average fit guy.

JaneNY

There are exceptions - one thing I notice when I go to NYC, is that I see very little obesity. New Yorkers walk everywhere - even if you take the subway you are constantly going down stairs, up stairs, walk a few blocks. Granted, the obese might be more likely to drive or take cabs I guess, but since I don't do those when I"m in the city, I can't tell regarding that. There needs to be more activity, as well as people eating less and in a more healthy manner.

Portions here are ridiculous. When we go just over the border into Canada, if you get a sandwich at Tim Horton's it is much smaller than the size of the average sandwich here. And it feels like the right size to me, not too small.

haffajappa

JaneNY wrote:

There are exceptions - one thing I notice when I go to NYC, is that I see very little obesity. New Yorkers walk everywhere - even if you take the subway you are constantly going down stairs, up stairs, walk a few blocks. Granted, the obese might be more likely to drive or take cabs I guess, but since I don't do those when I"m in the city, I can't tell regarding that. There needs to be more activity, as well as people eating less and in a more healthy manner.

Portions here are ridiculous. When we go just over the border into Canada, if you get a sandwich at Tim Horton's it is much smaller than the size of the average sandwich here. And it feels like the right size to me, not too small.

I remember in London a couple years ago i went to a mcdonalds and these americans ordered a meal, when they saw the size of the cups they were shocked and kind of pissed off that they were given such "small" pops
i laughed...


i had been wondering before what the timmys portion sizes would be in the US, because even here they are smaller compared to other places... i mean the drinks anyways.

The Champ

JaneNY wrote:

it feels like the right size to me, not too small.

josevolution

RW81233 wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

i'm kind of confused i guess cos i've only skipped over most of this thread but are people actually insinuating that being obese doesn't pose a threat to your health?

not insinuating...I am stating it as actually recognized scientific evidence that being in the "overweight" range is actually better for your health than being "normal". however the higher and lower you go the worse it is for you.

p.s. jose i usually agree with you on things, and didn't mean to pick on your thread i've just been doing research on this for the past year plus.

Hey no i totally respect your opinion it's been great to read everyone's perspective on the subject matter it's healthy communication/awareness ...

keeponrockin

It's a problem. Even at the University I'm at, the meal plan is HORRIBLE food. I haven't gained the 'freshman' 15 but I would like to be 10-15 pounds lighter than I am.