I'm still totally confused about this "reconciliation bill" that has to pass now... and does the Senate need to vote again or not? Need to do some research...
Final tally was 219-212 (216 needed to pass).
The reconciliation bill is a bag of fixes to the Senate Bill (which was the first vote) to satisfy the more liberal members of the House. This should pass the Senate easily since it's filibuster proof.
The motion to recommit is - big fucking surprise - about Abortion. Gawd, these fuckers never give up.
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform... we have have one of the greatest healthcare systems in the world but a lack of access or affordability... this bill will not lower costs or allow greater access, just limit usage and hurt working class people......
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So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
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Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
Seriously? Who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about? Are these hard working Americans who cant afford healthcare? Or are these the same pieces of shit I see every week at the grocery store, wearing diamond jewelry, driving Volvos, paying for their groceries with food stamps?
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
Seriously? Who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about? Are these hard working Americans who cant afford healthcare? Or are these the same pieces of shit I see every week at the grocery store, wearing diamond jewelry, driving Volvos, paying for their groceries with food stamps?
There are people who have no health insurance; working class, lower class, just don't give a fucks, but we ALL have access to HEALTHCARE. The problem being that is without insurance, the costs are high if you have chronic health problems, this is where health INSURANCE reform comes in.
People don't want to wait in lines for the free or low cost clinic but rather go to the ER to take care of health matters, but there is a price to pay for that. If will be fun when all this will apparently go into effect and people realize that with the money they WILL have to pay into healthcare, they will also have to pay a co-pay at their neighborhood ER, where they now get taken care of for free.... have to say my co-pay for an ER visit is a cold $100.
I still don't see how collecting money for 10 years to only fund a program for 6 years makes any fiscal sense....
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Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
Seriously? Who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about? Are these hard working Americans who cant afford healthcare? Or are these the same pieces of shit I see every week at the grocery store, wearing diamond jewelry, driving Volvos, paying for their groceries with food stamps?
Speedy, I really want to believe that you are joking right now!! Yes, there are millions of Americans who work and who do not have health insurance!!! I mean, that is as clear as the sky is blue.
And chromiam... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"... are YOU serious?????????? of course this is about health insurance reform.... I guess you haven't been paying any kind of meaningful attention... I dont know what else to say.... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"??????? WTF???????????? how is this discussion even possible??????
WHY IS EVERYBODY GOING CRAZY OVER THIS?????? YOU ALL WANT THIS. YOU DO!!!!!
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
Seriously? Who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about? Are these hard working Americans who cant afford healthcare? Or are these the same pieces of shit I see every week at the grocery store, wearing diamond jewelry, driving Volvos, paying for their groceries with food stamps?
Speedy, I really want to believe that you are joking right now!! Yes, there are millions of Americans who work and who do not have health insurance!!! I mean, that is as clear as the sky is blue.
And chromiam... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"... are YOU serious?????????? of course this is about health insurance reform.... I guess you haven't been paying any kind of meaningful attention... I dont know what else to say.... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"??????? WTF???????????? how is this discussion even possible??????
WHY IS EVERYBODY GOING CRAZY OVER THIS?????? YOU ALL WANT THIS. YOU DO!!!!!
Tell me how I want it Kenny when my current insurance coverage will be taxed as income as a "Cadillac plan" under this new bill and I'll be forced to pay income taxes on the only reasonable plan I have access to.
This bill is all about legacies and appearances and does little to limit or control healthcare costs in the long haul. It will lessen Medicare and Medicaid payouts and shift the burden of payment even more onto the shoulders of those with private insurance plans.
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Speedy, I really want to believe that you are joking right now!! Yes, there are millions of Americans who work and who do not have health insurance!!! I mean, that is as clear as the sky is blue.
And chromiam... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"... are YOU serious?????????? of course this is about health insurance reform.... I guess you haven't been paying any kind of meaningful attention... I dont know what else to say.... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"??????? WTF???????????? how is this discussion even possible??????
WHY IS EVERYBODY GOING CRAZY OVER THIS?????? YOU ALL WANT THIS. YOU DO!!!!!
I realize there are millions of people who work, and do not have healthcare. There are also millions of people who dont give a fuck, dont work, and milk the system for every fucking dime they can.
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
Seriously? Who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about? Are these hard working Americans who cant afford healthcare? Or are these the same pieces of shit I see every week at the grocery store, wearing diamond jewelry, driving Volvos, paying for their groceries with food stamps?
I was one of them until I turned 30. I chose not to have insurance for about 8 years. Never got sick and never needed it. I paid out of pocket for blood work every couple of years just to check things and saw my my total cholesterol even with my terrible diet is at 138. And I gave platelets every month so I could get a mini physical for free to check for high blood pressure or an irregular heart beat. I was fine. But under this new plan, I would have been fined every year for being one of the great uninsured. A lot of people in their 20's choose not to get health insurance and spend their money on more practical things.
I was at the same job for the whole time and looking at the average premium I would have had paid over the period I was uninsured, I saved over $21,000 that I've used for vacations and things I've bought myself.
I realize there are millions of people who work, and do not have healthcare. There are also millions of people who dont give a fuck, dont work, and milk the system for every fucking dime they can.
It's a small percentage that abuse the system, not millions.
Guys, I'm sorry but I don't buy the doomsday scenarios. If I'm wrong, we'll argue about it then. I'm willing to bet we'll have nothing to argue about.
Tell me how I want it Kenny when my current insurance coverage will be taxed as income as a "Cadillac plan" under this new bill and I'll be forced to pay income taxes on the only reasonable plan I have access to.
This bill is all about legacies and appearances and does little to limit or control healthcare costs in the long haul. It will lessen Medicare and Medicaid payouts and shift the burden of payment even more onto the shoulders of those with private insurance plans.
I still find the irony that in one of the debates and one of Obama's talking points was that McCain was going to tax your insurance coverage for the first time and that he wouldn't do it. And now he's doing it and no one's called him out on it.
I am 32. A non-smoker. Married with one child. I get OK insurance (Humana) through my job for my entire family.
I would like for someone to explain to me, in real terms, what this health care bill will mean to me. Bottom line. No bullshit.
Am I taxed more? Does my access to health care diminish? If I need any operation short of a quadruple bypass, do I have to rot on a waiting list? Is my name on one of these "death panel" lists I've heard so much about? (I'm kidding about the last one).
In all seriousness, someone please tell me what to expect. And please try to keep the partisan bullshit to a minimum. The reason I don't know what to expect is because both sides have been slinging it back and forth hot and heavy for a year now.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I am 32. A non-smoker. Married with one child. I get OK insurance (Humana) through my job for my entire family.
I would like for someone to explain to me, in real terms, what this health care bill will mean to me. Bottom line. No bullshit.
Am I taxed more? Does my access to health care diminish? If I need any operation short of a quadruple bypass, do I have to rot on a waiting list? Is my name on one of these "death panel" lists I've heard so much about? (I'm kidding about the last one).
In all seriousness, someone please tell me what to expect. And please try to keep the partisan bullshit to a minimum. The reason I don't know what to expect is because both sides have been slinging it back and forth hot and heavy for a year now.
I asked the same questions earlier in this thread....Solat13 gave me some pretty interesting answers...
Go take a look back on page 2 0r 3....
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I am 32. A non-smoker. Married with one child. I get OK insurance (Humana) through my job for my entire family.
I would like for someone to explain to me, in real terms, what this health care bill will mean to me. Bottom line. No bullshit.
Am I taxed more? Does my access to health care diminish? If I need any operation short of a quadruple bypass, do I have to rot on a waiting list? Is my name on one of these "death panel" lists I've heard so much about? (I'm kidding about the last one).
In all seriousness, someone please tell me what to expect. And please try to keep the partisan bullshit to a minimum. The reason I don't know what to expect is because both sides have been slinging it back and forth hot and heavy for a year now.
Here's some things you can count on:
If your child turns out to have a pre-existing condition, your insurance company will not be able to deny him/her coverage.
If your wife gets sick, your insurance company will not be able to go through your documents and finding a minor typo and using it as an excuse to drop her, forcing you to pay for her life saving operation yourself.
You will not be forced to suffer massive increases in premiums without the insurance companies being able to justify those increases.
There's more, but I'm sure you can appreciate those.
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"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
i thought this was supposed to be obama's waterloo??
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo....
It might be the Democrats' Waterloo. We'll see what happens at the ballotbox.
i am not so sure about that. i think anyone with a pulse that has been paying any sort of attention knows that republicans have opposed EVERY single thing obama and the dems have tried to do for no other reason than what appears to be "just because"...if obama's base does not desert him i think that the dems hold both houses in november...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i thought this was supposed to be obama's waterloo??
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo....
It might be the Democrats' Waterloo. We'll see what happens at the ballotbox.
i am not so sure about that. i think anyone with a pulse that has been paying any sort of attention knows that republicans have opposed EVERY single thing obama and the dems have tried to do for no other reason than what appears to be "just because"...if obama's base does not desert him i think that the dems hold both houses in november...
It depends on independents. Independents were strongly against the bill in Massachusetts leading to Scott Brown's upset. Both sides are stalwartly in place in their respective corners. It just depends on which side spins it better to the independents.
I am 32. A non-smoker. Married with one child. I get OK insurance (Humana) through my job for my entire family.
I would like for someone to explain to me, in real terms, what this health care bill will mean to me. Bottom line. No bullshit.
Am I taxed more? Does my access to health care diminish? If I need any operation short of a quadruple bypass, do I have to rot on a waiting list? Is my name on one of these "death panel" lists I've heard so much about? (I'm kidding about the last one).
In all seriousness, someone please tell me what to expect. And please try to keep the partisan bullshit to a minimum. The reason I don't know what to expect is because both sides have been slinging it back and forth hot and heavy for a year now.
Here's some things you can count on:
If your child turns out to have a pre-existing condition, your insurance company will not be able to deny him/her coverage.
If your wife gets sick, your insurance company will not be able to go through your documents and finding a minor typo and using it as an excuse to drop her, forcing you to pay for her life saving operation yourself.
You will not be forced to suffer massive increases in premiums without the insurance companies being able to justify those increases.
There's more, but I'm sure you can appreciate those.
don't forget that COBRA will be cheeper and easier to get if you lose your job...
your kids can stay on your insurance to age 26 so if they come out of college and can not find steady employment they are still covered....
and no federal funding for abortion, so it will not be used as birth control on taxpayer dollars..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i thought this was supposed to be obama's waterloo??
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo....
It might be the Democrats' Waterloo. We'll see what happens at the ballotbox.
i am not so sure about that. i think anyone with a pulse that has been paying any sort of attention knows that republicans have opposed EVERY single thing obama and the dems have tried to do for no other reason than what appears to be "just because"...if obama's base does not desert him i think that the dems hold both houses in november...
Well, I said "might" .... The majority of Americans were against this bill, rightly or wrongly. I don't think there's any doubting that. It will be up to the Democrats on the block this November to convince the people of what you just said in order to hold their seats.
The fact that none of this takes affect until, like 2050 or whatever, I think hurts the Democrats. They won't be able to run on, "See, it wasn't as bad as you thought." They'll have to run on, "Hey, you know that thing we all voted for against your will in March ... it will probably work out ... we swear."
"Bear with us, it will probably be OK," has never really worked as a campaign slogan with Americans.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
It depends on independents. Independents were strongly against the bill in Massachusetts leading to Scott Brown's upset. Both sides are stalwartly in place in their respective corners. It just depends on which side spins it better to the independents.
i dunno, if the sun comes up tomorrow and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse do not show up i think the gop is going to lose some credibility with their doom and gloom predictions...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I still find the irony that in one of the debates and one of Obama's talking points was that McCain was going to tax your insurance coverage for the first time and that he wouldn't do it. And now he's doing it and no one's called him out on it.
It was the Senate Finance Committee that introduced the excise tax, not the President. Blame Max Baucus, Chuck Grassley, and the rest of those numbnuts, including Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Joe Lieberman. The House bill didn't have it, and without the reconciliation bill that ameliorated the tax the House wouldn't have voted for the Senate bill to begin with.
Not to mention the obstructionist Republicans who forced a filibuster on everything.
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
It depends on independents. Independents were strongly against the bill in Massachusetts leading to Scott Brown's upset. Both sides are stalwartly in place in their respective corners. It just depends on which side spins it better to the independents.
i dunno, if the sun comes up tomorrow and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse do not show up i think the gop is going to lose some credibility with their doom and gloom predictions...
But that's the thing ... most of this stuff doesn't take affect for quite some time ... so it will be quite some time before we know which side was right.
Certainly, we won't know before November.
To me, if you were steadfastly against the bill today, you're going to be steadfastly against it in November, and vice versa. There won't be any changes before then.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Well, I said "might" .... The majority of Americans were against this bill, rightly or wrongly. I don't think there's any doubting that. It will be up to the Democrats on the block this November to convince the people of what you just said in order to hold their seats.
The fact that none of this takes affect until, like 2050 or whatever, I think hurts the Democrats. They won't be able to run on, "See, it wasn't as bad as you thought." They'll have to run on, "Hey, you know that thing we all voted for against your will in March ... it will probably work out ... we swear."
"Bear with us, it will probably be OK," has never really worked as a campaign slogan with Americans.
where are you getting your poll numbers? according to usatoday and cnn over 72% want universal single payor system. many who are against this bill are opposed because it does not go far enough. that is why i opposed it. but now that it is passed it can be easier to come back and strengthen it later. small victories can yield greater results over time...
most of the above stated provisions like no denial for pre-existing conditions, COBRA, insured til 26 etc take effect immediately once obama signs it. the tax stuff and having to purchase insurance takes effect in 3-4 years.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Final tally was 219-212 (216 needed to pass).
The reconciliation bill is a bag of fixes to the Senate Bill (which was the first vote) to satisfy the more liberal members of the House. This should pass the Senate easily since it's filibuster proof.
The motion to recommit is - big fucking surprise - about Abortion. Gawd, these fuckers never give up.
this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform... we have have one of the greatest healthcare systems in the world but a lack of access or affordability... this bill will not lower costs or allow greater access, just limit usage and hurt working class people......
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Social awareness does not equal political activism!
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We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
Admin
Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Fuck Obama
8/7/08, 6/9/09
There are people who have no health insurance; working class, lower class, just don't give a fucks, but we ALL have access to HEALTHCARE. The problem being that is without insurance, the costs are high if you have chronic health problems, this is where health INSURANCE reform comes in.
People don't want to wait in lines for the free or low cost clinic but rather go to the ER to take care of health matters, but there is a price to pay for that. If will be fun when all this will apparently go into effect and people realize that with the money they WILL have to pay into healthcare, they will also have to pay a co-pay at their neighborhood ER, where they now get taken care of for free.... have to say my co-pay for an ER visit is a cold $100.
I still don't see how collecting money for 10 years to only fund a program for 6 years makes any fiscal sense....
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Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
Speedy, I really want to believe that you are joking right now!! Yes, there are millions of Americans who work and who do not have health insurance!!! I mean, that is as clear as the sky is blue.
And chromiam... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"... are YOU serious?????????? of course this is about health insurance reform.... I guess you haven't been paying any kind of meaningful attention... I dont know what else to say.... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"??????? WTF???????????? how is this discussion even possible??????
WHY IS EVERYBODY GOING CRAZY OVER THIS?????? YOU ALL WANT THIS. YOU DO!!!!!
Not one Repub voted for it and many Dems voted against it.
Obama is biparitan after all.
Tell me how I want it Kenny when my current insurance coverage will be taxed as income as a "Cadillac plan" under this new bill and I'll be forced to pay income taxes on the only reasonable plan I have access to.
This bill is all about legacies and appearances and does little to limit or control healthcare costs in the long haul. It will lessen Medicare and Medicaid payouts and shift the burden of payment even more onto the shoulders of those with private insurance plans.
Admin
Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I was one of them until I turned 30. I chose not to have insurance for about 8 years. Never got sick and never needed it. I paid out of pocket for blood work every couple of years just to check things and saw my my total cholesterol even with my terrible diet is at 138. And I gave platelets every month so I could get a mini physical for free to check for high blood pressure or an irregular heart beat. I was fine. But under this new plan, I would have been fined every year for being one of the great uninsured. A lot of people in their 20's choose not to get health insurance and spend their money on more practical things.
I was at the same job for the whole time and looking at the average premium I would have had paid over the period I was uninsured, I saved over $21,000 that I've used for vacations and things I've bought myself.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
It's a small percentage that abuse the system, not millions.
Guys, I'm sorry but I don't buy the doomsday scenarios. If I'm wrong, we'll argue about it then. I'm willing to bet we'll have nothing to argue about.
I still find the irony that in one of the debates and one of Obama's talking points was that McCain was going to tax your insurance coverage for the first time and that he wouldn't do it. And now he's doing it and no one's called him out on it.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
I would like for someone to explain to me, in real terms, what this health care bill will mean to me. Bottom line. No bullshit.
Am I taxed more? Does my access to health care diminish? If I need any operation short of a quadruple bypass, do I have to rot on a waiting list? Is my name on one of these "death panel" lists I've heard so much about? (I'm kidding about the last one).
In all seriousness, someone please tell me what to expect. And please try to keep the partisan bullshit to a minimum. The reason I don't know what to expect is because both sides have been slinging it back and forth hot and heavy for a year now.
for the least they could possibly do
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It might be the Democrats' Waterloo. We'll see what happens at the ballotbox.
for the least they could possibly do
It WAS his Waterloo. Except that instead of Napoleon, he was the Duke of Wellington.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Go take a look back on page 2 0r 3....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Here's some things you can count on:
If your child turns out to have a pre-existing condition, your insurance company will not be able to deny him/her coverage.
If your wife gets sick, your insurance company will not be able to go through your documents and finding a minor typo and using it as an excuse to drop her, forcing you to pay for her life saving operation yourself.
You will not be forced to suffer massive increases in premiums without the insurance companies being able to justify those increases.
There's more, but I'm sure you can appreciate those.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It depends on independents. Independents were strongly against the bill in Massachusetts leading to Scott Brown's upset. Both sides are stalwartly in place in their respective corners. It just depends on which side spins it better to the independents.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
your kids can stay on your insurance to age 26 so if they come out of college and can not find steady employment they are still covered....
and no federal funding for abortion, so it will not be used as birth control on taxpayer dollars..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Well, I said "might" .... The majority of Americans were against this bill, rightly or wrongly. I don't think there's any doubting that. It will be up to the Democrats on the block this November to convince the people of what you just said in order to hold their seats.
The fact that none of this takes affect until, like 2050 or whatever, I think hurts the Democrats. They won't be able to run on, "See, it wasn't as bad as you thought." They'll have to run on, "Hey, you know that thing we all voted for against your will in March ... it will probably work out ... we swear."
"Bear with us, it will probably be OK," has never really worked as a campaign slogan with Americans.
for the least they could possibly do
i dunno, if the sun comes up tomorrow and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse do not show up i think the gop is going to lose some credibility with their doom and gloom predictions...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It was the Senate Finance Committee that introduced the excise tax, not the President. Blame Max Baucus, Chuck Grassley, and the rest of those numbnuts, including Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Joe Lieberman. The House bill didn't have it, and without the reconciliation bill that ameliorated the tax the House wouldn't have voted for the Senate bill to begin with.
Not to mention the obstructionist Republicans who forced a filibuster on everything.
But that's the thing ... most of this stuff doesn't take affect for quite some time ... so it will be quite some time before we know which side was right.
Certainly, we won't know before November.
To me, if you were steadfastly against the bill today, you're going to be steadfastly against it in November, and vice versa. There won't be any changes before then.
for the least they could possibly do
most of the above stated provisions like no denial for pre-existing conditions, COBRA, insured til 26 etc take effect immediately once obama signs it. the tax stuff and having to purchase insurance takes effect in 3-4 years.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Why, oh why, did you have to go and throw that in there? That's the way it was before anyway.