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SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,756
edited March 2010 in A Moving Train
What time does that go down???
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    NEXT WEEK..... :mrgreen:
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,756
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    I dont give a rats ass :mrgreen:

    I hear ya!!!!
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  • MichaelMcKevinMichaelMcKevin Posts: 1,161
    why the rush with passing this right now?
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,756
    MichaelMcKevin wrote:
    why the rush with passing this right now?
    I was just curious, as to what time they are voting on this.
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  • MichaelMcKevinMichaelMcKevin Posts: 1,161
    I'm being seroius. Sorry, I don't follow politics as much as I should for being a 23 year-old with some serious student loans sitting ahead of me.

    When I tune in, it seems they need to get this bill passed immediately, and that people are shifting from previous positions to get it done. Can anyone give me the basics on why?
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    watching the idiots, i mean representatives, talking to hear themselves talk on cspan and it looks like it will be another 4-5 hours before a vote
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    norm wrote:
    watching the idiots, i mean representatives, talking to hear themselves talk on cspan and it looks like it will be another 4-5 hours before a vote
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  • ryanevolutionryanevolution Posts: 782
    They are voting at 2pm eastern
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,756
    The magic number is 216....

    This should be interesting.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    fox news is reporting they have the votes, but the boehner is saying they are short....who to believe who to believe....
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  • michelleelisemichelleelise Posts: 346
    I don't think it's a rush. They've been discussing, revising and debating for over a year and now it's finally time to vote so it's getting a lot of coverage.

    They do recess at the end of the week, though, so I think that's why they scheduled the vote this week.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    msnbc is reporting the dems have 214 and they were trying to get 2 more votes including stupak...

    now as i type this they are saying stupak agrees so that makes 215...stupak will vote for it if obama signs an executive order saying no federal funding for abortion...
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    msnbc broke in with "breaking news" that now reports the dems have "over 216 votes"....we will see what happens...stay tuned...
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  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    msnbc is reporting the dems have 214 and they were trying to get 2 more votes including stupak...

    now as i type this they are saying stupak agrees so that makes 215...stupak will vote for it if obama signs an executive order saying no federal funding for abortion...


    I'm betting they will get the votes they need......THROUGH BRIBERY!
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    mb262200 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    msnbc is reporting the dems have 214 and they were trying to get 2 more votes including stupak...

    now as i type this they are saying stupak agrees so that makes 215...stupak will vote for it if obama signs an executive order saying no federal funding for abortion...


    I'm betting they will get the votes they need......THROUGH BRIBERY!
    Yep.... there is no other way!
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    From a personal is this bill going to help or potentially hurt people on this board?
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  • ambra333ambra333 Posts: 6
    Hi, I'm italian. In Italy we have so many problems but one thing is pretty good...the health care is free. If you need an urgent surgical intervention, that's totally for free (if it's not urgent you pay something, but very little). I don't understand how's possible that part of american people is against a free health care. Why? why do you still have the nightmare of the socialism every time someone want to do something to help the people, all the people...equality is a wonderful thing. This is not communism this is good sense. The health care is a fundamental right, everyone, rich or poor, have the right to be cured! Please explain me the american mentality...I don't understand.

    p.s. sorry for my english.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    ambra pinna wrote:
    Hi, I'm italian. In Italy we have so many problems but one thing is pretty good...the health care is free. If you need an urgent surgical intervention, that's totally for free (if it's not urgent you pay something, but very little). I don't understand how's possible that part of american people is against a free health care. Why? why do you still have the nightmare of the socialism every time someone want to do something to help the people, all the people...equality is a wonderful thing. This is not communism this is good sense. The health care is a fundamental right, everyone, rich or poor, have the right to be cured! Please explain me the american mentality...I don't understand.

    p.s. sorry for my english.

    For one I doubt it's free, you pay through your taxes just as we do. Also I don't see this bill as universal health care, or UHC as you and I have.
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  • ambra333ambra333 Posts: 6
    lukin2006 wrote:
    ambra pinna wrote:
    Hi, I'm italian. In Italy we have so many problems but one thing is pretty good...the health care is free. If you need an urgent surgical intervention, that's totally for free (if it's not urgent you pay something, but very little). I don't understand how's possible that part of american people is against a free health care. Why? why do you still have the nightmare of the socialism every time someone want to do something to help the people, all the people...equality is a wonderful thing. This is not communism this is good sense. The health care is a fundamental right, everyone, rich or poor, have the right to be cured! Please explain me the american mentality...I don't understand.

    p.s. sorry for my english.

    For one I doubt it's free, you pay through your taxes just as we do. Also I don't see this bill as universal health care, or UHC as you and I have.


    Of course we pay taxes (many taxes) but I prefer pay taxes but when I or another one needs to be cured that's is free, no one dies because have no money!
    I think that USA won't ever have a universal health care, but i don't understand why. That's all.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    ambra333 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    ambra pinna wrote:
    Hi, I'm italian. In Italy we have so many problems but one thing is pretty good...the health care is free. If you need an urgent surgical intervention, that's totally for free (if it's not urgent you pay something, but very little). I don't understand how's possible that part of american people is against a free health care. Why? why do you still have the nightmare of the socialism every time someone want to do something to help the people, all the people...equality is a wonderful thing. This is not communism this is good sense. The health care is a fundamental right, everyone, rich or poor, have the right to be cured! Please explain me the american mentality...I don't understand.

    p.s. sorry for my english.

    For one I doubt it's free, you pay through your taxes just as we do. Also I don't see this bill as universal health care, or UHC as you and I have.


    Of course we pay taxes (many taxes) but I prefer pay taxes but when I or another one needs to be cured that's is free, no one dies because have no money!
    I think that USA won't ever have a universal health care, but i don't understand why. That's all.

    No UHC in the states is due to $$$$$ I suspect.
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    Mr. Obama has promised to secure no abortions in this healthcare bill with an Executive Order from him. This will not hold up in court and Executive Orders can not supercede legislation.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    ambra333 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    ambra pinna wrote:
    Hi, I'm italian. In Italy we have so many problems but one thing is pretty good...the health care is free. If you need an urgent surgical intervention, that's totally for free (if it's not urgent you pay something, but very little). I don't understand how's possible that part of american people is against a free health care. Why? why do you still have the nightmare of the socialism every time someone want to do something to help the people, all the people...equality is a wonderful thing. This is not communism this is good sense. The health care is a fundamental right, everyone, rich or poor, have the right to be cured! Please explain me the american mentality...I don't understand.

    p.s. sorry for my english.

    For one I doubt it's free, you pay through your taxes just as we do. Also I don't see this bill as universal health care, or UHC as you and I have.


    Of course we pay taxes (many taxes) but I prefer pay taxes but when I or another one needs to be cured that's is free, no one dies because have no money!
    I think that USA won't ever have a universal health care, but i don't understand why. That's all.

    I also suspect many americans do not want to pay much higher taxes, plus many claim they are happy with the status quo, but who really nows.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    aerial wrote:
    Mr. Obama has promised to secure no abortions in this healthcare bill with an Executive Order from him. This will not hold up in court and Executive Orders can not supercede legislation.

    He's a lawyer and doesn't know that or he's just doing whatever it takes to get the votes. The only thing I don't understand is if they were sure they had the votes, why does it take so long to bring it to a vote.
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  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    what percentage of the population is obese in italy?
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • MichaelMcKevinMichaelMcKevin Posts: 1,161
    So can we get a relatively unbiased discussion on the pros and cons of this bill? I'm trying to get on board here, but everywhere I look it's nothing but people saying "this is how it is" and then someone arguing the exact opposite.
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    MichaelMcKevin wrote:
    So can we get a relatively unbiased discussion on the pros and cons of this bill? I'm trying to get on board here, but everywhere I look it's nothing but people saying "this is how it is" and then someone arguing the exact opposite.
    One con is....we don’t know what exactly is in the bill
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    aerial wrote:
    MichaelMcKevin wrote:
    So can we get a relatively unbiased discussion on the pros and cons of this bill? I'm trying to get on board here, but everywhere I look it's nothing but people saying "this is how it is" and then someone arguing the exact opposite.
    One con is....we don’t know what exactly is in the bill

    or you don't anyway
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    ambra333 wrote:
    Hi, I'm italian. In Italy we have so many problems but one thing is pretty good...the health care is free. If you need an urgent surgical intervention, that's totally for free (if it's not urgent you pay something, but very little). I don't understand how's possible that part of american people is against a free health care. Why? why do you still have the nightmare of the socialism every time someone want to do something to help the people, all the people...equality is a wonderful thing. This is not communism this is good sense. The health care is a fundamental right, everyone, rich or poor, have the right to be cured! Please explain me the american mentality...I don't understand.

    p.s. sorry for my english.


    Higher taxes pretty much nails it down for me. I take home 75 to 80 % of my paycheck and I also have very good insurance.
  • ryanevolutionryanevolution Posts: 782
    Things I know the bill includes: children can stay on their parents policies until they are 26, you can no longer be dropped or denied coverage for a pre-existing condition, it allows small businesses to pull together to get lower rates, it puts an extra tax on families making over 200k or year (or maybe 250k?). A few things I know.
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