i dont think it matters what the band chooses to do as long as they are playing amazing, energetic awesome shows for us fans...which they are going to keep doing no matter what
this isnt aimed at PJ exactly, but ive always thought that if i had a million dollars, my main priority wouldnt be to make a million more. yet everyone you see that makes a million seems to. i find this fascinating. in fact, i'd go out of my way to tell everyone who wanted me to do something to kiss my ass! i cant wait to find out what i really do after i make my first mil!
i dont think it matters what the band chooses to do as long as they are playing amazing, energetic awesome shows for us fans...which they are going to keep doing no matter what
That's the other problem. Did you have SNL on mute?
Not only did they sell out long ago, They sound like shit!!
It's ok admit that they ain't to good anymore. You won't lose your membership.
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2010- Bristow, VA
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This is a pointless debate. I agree with the dude who said that terms like "sell out" lose a lot of meaning as you age. Ten years ago, before I had a family, sure, I would have been "keeping it real." But with family comes a whole new realm. Now I worry about providing for my kids. And say what you want, but if you had the opportunity to go out and be able to play music for a living and give your kids and family enough money to where they are set for life, you are going to do that. Any musician who does it only for the love of music and all that bullshit are the ones who end up finding a real job by the time they are 30 and struggling to make ends meet because they've dedicated their lives to something that has given no returns. To quote The Chapelle Show, that's "When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong!" And I'm sure I'll catch a lot of shit for the fact that I place some value on money and financial freedom, but grow up...like it or not, it takes money to live in this world.
And by the way, this in no way meant to offend anyone. Don't take anything personal. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions... It's just that "street cred" means nothing to me or the majority of the general public in today's world. It's a different world than it was 20 years ago.
This is stupid. I agree with the dude who said that terms like "sell out" lose a lot of meaning as you age. Ten years ago, before I had a family, sure, I would have been "keeping it real." But with family comes a whole new realm. Now I worry about providing for my kids. And say what you want, but if you had the opportunity to go out and be able to play music for a living and give your kids and family enough money to where they are set for life, you are going to do that. Any musician who does it only for the love of music and all that bullshit are the ones who end up finding a real job by the time they are 30 and struggling to make ends meet because they've dedicated their lives to something that has given no returns. To quote The Chapelle Show, that's "When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong!" And I'm sure I'll catch a lot of shit for the fact that I place some value on money and financial freedom, but grow up...like it or not, it takes money to live in this world.
+1
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Damn..... i'm just hoping that it isn't water in the wine bottles. It TASTED like wine to me....????
If you drank wine out of Ed's bottle on the 2006 tour you were on some serious drugs. Nothing but water in there all of 2006. Kinda gay to go that far to keep up the schtick.
Signing with SubPop would've never given them the security they found with Sony. I can't fault them for that. They were lucky to get such a deal in the first place considering they hadn't been together that long as a band. And again, Target made profit from selling Backspacer. It's not like they bent over backwards for Pearl Jam and lost money on the deal. Don't tell me that a millionaire band has to kiss ass and do that gig. And don't tell me they didn't get a pocketfull of money to do it.
actually a millionaire band does have to kiss ass and do gig if they want to do business with target again. its called not loosing a contact in the music world. lets not forget that pj is its own record label now. they don't have someone to back them up. it's strictly 10 club, pearl jam and curtis mangement now.
So exactly what prevents them from doing what Radiohead did with "In Rainbows"? That's the model PJ should follow and that's a band that has managed to keep their dignity fully intact. I doubt any of their children are goin hungry either.
Not one to normally post, but to the OP....question for you..
Do you not think that while under the Sony label (Epic), they had professional obligations or responsibilities to fulfill? I'm willing to bet that they had to do stuff like this as well. It's business guys.....I don't get the problem. This was one, small requirement in their contract...3 songs and they're considered "sellouts".
Not trying to pick a fight, but...it's not the 90's anymore, kids. These guys are a band and def. about the music, but they also have to act like a small business. I mean...consider them being offered a huge deal by label "x" where the had to do ipod commercials, endorse Coke or Pepsi, and started a fashion line...
Sell outs? Occasionally I'm embarrased by some of the statements I read on this board.
Name me another artist, 20 years young that has acted with the ethical and generous spirit that PJ has over the years...
You know...the f'd up thing is that these guys probably could've taken in 3 times the amount they have by now. Go back and read up on your history from 95-98.
It's truly a sad day in the history of PJ.
Although they really sold long before today, They are just shoving it in people's faces now.
A few of us are trying to put our finger on when they jumped the shark.
Some say 2006, When they brought out the lasers during the shows and Ed was drinking water out of his wine bottle at every show.
I think it was even earlier... When Jack was booted.
So after going to 100 plus shows starting at Cameo 1992, I bid PJ adu.
R.I.P.
Pearl Jam
1990-2010
...1990-1998 Ed is rolling over in his grave...
People like you obsessed with selling out need to get off your ass and get a job no one will call you a sell out just get a job. It's the poor and unaccomplished who talk about selling out. Walk upstairs and tell your mom and dad I said hello.
So exactly what prevents them from doing what Radiohead did with "In Rainbows"? That's the model PJ should follow and that's a band that has managed to keep their dignity fully intact. I doubt any of their children are goin hungry either.
maybe they don't wanna seem like being copycats. maybe the radiohead way wouldnt have made pj the most money. i dont know how the band thinks like nor do i ever wanna know.
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Not one to normally post, but to the OP....question for you..
Do you not think that while under the Sony label (Epic), they had professional obligations or responsibilities to fulfill? I'm willing to bet that they had to do stuff like this as well. It's business guys.....I don't get the problem. This was one, small requirement in their contract...3 songs and they're considered "sellouts".
Not trying to pick a fight, but...it's not the 90's anymore, kids. These guys are a band and def. about the music, but they also have to act like a small business. I mean...consider them being offered a huge deal by label "x" where the had to do ipod commercials, endorse Coke or Pepsi, and started a fashion line...
Sell outs? Occasionally I'm embarrased by some of the statements I read on this board.
Name me another artist, 20 years young that has acted with the ethical and generous spirit that PJ has over the years...
You know...the f'd up thing is that these guys probably could've taken in 3 times the amount they have by now. Go back and read up on your history from 95-98.
In 1998 they toured the world using Ticketmaster... Don't think they could have raked in anymore money aside from getting paid millions of dollars to put Verizon Wireless billboards on both sides of the stage like they did on the 2008 tour.
It's truly a sad day in the history of PJ.
Although they really sold long before today, They are just shoving it in people's faces now.
A few of us are trying to put our finger on when they jumped the shark.
Some say 2006, When they brought out the lasers during the shows and Ed was drinking water out of his wine bottle at every show.
I think it was even earlier... When Jack was booted.
So after going to 100 plus shows starting at Cameo 1992, I bid PJ adu.
R.I.P.
Pearl Jam
1990-2010
...1990-1998 Ed is rolling over in his grave...
People like you obsessed with selling out need to get off your ass and get a job no one will call you a sell out just get a job. It's the poor and unaccomplished who talk about selling out. Walk upstairs and tell your mom and dad I said hello.
What the f*ck are you talking about?
Well, It all kinda makes more sense now. This is the typical fan that the band plays in front of now.
Grow Up! It's just a band. A joke of a band now at that.
Ok...so what, they used TM in 98 to sell tickets to their shows. That was after an extremly long battle w/TM and multiple attempts at trying to find an alternative solution. At that point...they had no other option...and frankly still don't.
Is that your definition of "selling out"?
Dude...they could've done so much more than use TM to sell their concert tickets to ppl who opted to pay their money and see them perform.
They were destroying themselves because there wasn't an alternative to TM. They're a rock band, not a ticketing company. I don't think you're seeing the big picture, buddy.
And back on my comment in re: 95-98....Post Vitalogy...they could've taken a shit on a t shirt and sold it for 100 bucks and ppl would've bought it........They literally walked away from becoming as big as...say...U2.
It's beyond me....and a waste of time....why someone thinks this is a valid arguement "Sellouts". When Eddie's got a line of cologne out and Stone becomes a fashion designer, we'll talk then. Until that day, crack a book open and realize these guys are just doing what they do. If you don't like it, don't listen or participate....
Ok...so what, they used TM in 98 to sell tickets to their shows. That was after an extremly long battle w/TM and multiple attempts at trying to find an alternative solution. At that point...they had no other option...and frankly still don't.
Is that your definition of "selling out"?
Dude...they could've done so much more than use TM to sell their concert tickets to ppl who opted to pay their money and see them perform.
They were destroying themselves because there wasn't an alternative to TM. They're a rock band, not a ticketing company. I don't think you're seeing the big picture, buddy.
And back on my comment in re: 95-98....Post Vitalogy...they could've taken a shit on a t shirt and sold it for 100 bucks and ppl would've bought it........They literally walked away from becoming as big as...say...U2.
It's beyond me....and a waste of time....why someone thinks this is a valid arguement "Sellouts". When Eddie's got a line of cologne out and Stone becomes a fashion designer, we'll talk then. Until that day, crack a book open and realize these guys are just doing what they do. If you don't like it, don't listen or participate....
Peace.
So you should have said 1995-1997.
Have fun at the shows. Hold up a "Satan's Bed" sign! And tell Ed to listen to the lyrics again.
i'm curious why people waste time posting on a board for a band that they don't even like.
these guys are not spring chickens anymore. people change as they age. priorities change. but besides that, who gives a fuck? my room could probably be considered a "shrine" lol but i don't expect them to stay the same as they were in the 90s, that would be pretty sad, actually, if they never grew up and stopped being angry about everything. there is nothing wrong with enjoying success.
i'm fine with people jumping off the bandwagon...i wish more people would have jumped off before i wasted over 6 hours of my life hitting "F5" in vain.
It's truly a sad day in the history of PJ.
Although they really sold long before today, They are just shoving it in people's faces now.
A few of us are trying to put our finger on when they jumped the shark.
Some say 2006, When they brought out the lasers during the shows and Ed was drinking water out of his wine bottle at every show.
I think it was even earlier... When Jack was booted.
So after going to 100 plus shows starting at Cameo 1992, I bid PJ adu.
R.I.P.
Pearl Jam
1990-2010
...1990-1998 Ed is rolling over in his grave...
People like you obsessed with selling out need to get off your ass and get a job no one will call you a sell out just get a job. It's the poor and unaccomplished who talk about selling out. Walk upstairs and tell your mom and dad I said hello.
What the f*ck are you talking about?
Well, It all kinda makes more sense now. This is the typical fan that the band plays in front of now.
Grow Up! It's just a band. A joke of a band now at that.
i'm curious why people waste time posting on a board for a band that they don't even like.
these guys are not spring chickens anymore. people change as they age. priorities change. but besides that, who gives a fuck? my room could probably be considered a "shrine" lol but i don't expect them to stay the same as they were in the 90s, that would be pretty sad, actually, if they never grew up and stopped being angry about everything. there is nothing wrong with enjoying success.
i'm fine with people jumping off the bandwagon...i wish more people would have jumped off before i wasted over 6 hours of my life hitting "F5" in vain.
+1
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
maybe they're not sellouts, they just suck for finding the time to fly out to Minnesota for a corporate gig, but cant find the time to tour Texas or anywhere close in a decade.
:problem: no...95-98 marks the timeline when this band said "peace out"..."we'll do things precisely as how we see fit." Actually...I should've stated 95-00.
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That's the other problem. Did you have SNL on mute?
Not only did they sell out long ago, They sound like shit!!
It's ok admit that they ain't to good anymore. You won't lose your membership.
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2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
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And by the way, this in no way meant to offend anyone. Don't take anything personal. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions... It's just that "street cred" means nothing to me or the majority of the general public in today's world. It's a different world than it was 20 years ago.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
If you drank wine out of Ed's bottle on the 2006 tour you were on some serious drugs. Nothing but water in there all of 2006. Kinda gay to go that far to keep up the schtick.
So exactly what prevents them from doing what Radiohead did with "In Rainbows"? That's the model PJ should follow and that's a band that has managed to keep their dignity fully intact. I doubt any of their children are goin hungry either.
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Do you not think that while under the Sony label (Epic), they had professional obligations or responsibilities to fulfill? I'm willing to bet that they had to do stuff like this as well. It's business guys.....I don't get the problem. This was one, small requirement in their contract...3 songs and they're considered "sellouts".
Not trying to pick a fight, but...it's not the 90's anymore, kids. These guys are a band and def. about the music, but they also have to act like a small business. I mean...consider them being offered a huge deal by label "x" where the had to do ipod commercials, endorse Coke or Pepsi, and started a fashion line...
Sell outs? Occasionally I'm embarrased by some of the statements I read on this board.
Name me another artist, 20 years young that has acted with the ethical and generous spirit that PJ has over the years...
You know...the f'd up thing is that these guys probably could've taken in 3 times the amount they have by now. Go back and read up on your history from 95-98.
People like you obsessed with selling out need to get off your ass and get a job no one will call you a sell out just get a job. It's the poor and unaccomplished who talk about selling out. Walk upstairs and tell your mom and dad I said hello.
3 Decibels Doubles the Volume
2006
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
go to the tickets section and click on Boston bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are selling music. I hope they sell out!
+1
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
In 1998 they toured the world using Ticketmaster... Don't think they could have raked in anymore money aside from getting paid millions of dollars to put Verizon Wireless billboards on both sides of the stage like they did on the 2008 tour.
What the f*ck are you talking about?
Well, It all kinda makes more sense now. This is the typical fan that the band plays in front of now.
Grow Up! It's just a band. A joke of a band now at that.
Is that your definition of "selling out"?
Dude...they could've done so much more than use TM to sell their concert tickets to ppl who opted to pay their money and see them perform.
They were destroying themselves because there wasn't an alternative to TM. They're a rock band, not a ticketing company. I don't think you're seeing the big picture, buddy.
And back on my comment in re: 95-98....Post Vitalogy...they could've taken a shit on a t shirt and sold it for 100 bucks and ppl would've bought it........They literally walked away from becoming as big as...say...U2.
It's beyond me....and a waste of time....why someone thinks this is a valid arguement "Sellouts". When Eddie's got a line of cologne out and Stone becomes a fashion designer, we'll talk then. Until that day, crack a book open and realize these guys are just doing what they do. If you don't like it, don't listen or participate....
Peace.
So you should have said 1995-1997.
Have fun at the shows. Hold up a "Satan's Bed" sign! And tell Ed to listen to the lyrics again.
these guys are not spring chickens anymore. people change as they age. priorities change. but besides that, who gives a fuck? my room could probably be considered a "shrine" lol but i don't expect them to stay the same as they were in the 90s, that would be pretty sad, actually, if they never grew up and stopped being angry about everything. there is nothing wrong with enjoying success.
i'm fine with people jumping off the bandwagon...i wish more people would have jumped off before i wasted over 6 hours of my life hitting "F5" in vain.
well said
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Jeff...you're kind of an ass, arent you.
Kelly's response is priceless!
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
When your rich and famous... That's what you do.
It's a tax write-off.
Signed . Just thought it kind of related to the whole Sell out topic....