Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I haven't seen it yet but have heard other conspiracy theories and do not believe them but believe it's ok to question authority if that is all they are doing. The liberals pushed the theory that Bush and Cheney knew that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that seemed plausible because of the oil and haliburton thing. So why not a conspiracy theory for 9/11 as well? Maybe because the whole hero thing that was so played up and obvious tragic loss of innocent lives that no one dares question. It's ok to wonder in America, right?
anybody seen this documentary?? all i can say is "damn"
While I haven't yet seen the movie, Discovery or NatGeo (I forget which) recently aired a show called "911-Truth and Conspiracy" that featured the guy who made Loose Change. A very even, scientific look at some of the claims in the movie.
There have been several versions since the original "Loose Change" and in each, the list of smoking guns and claims gets smaller and smaller. The Nat Geo show you're referring too is very good and debunks just about every legitimate claim that is throw around. Most "9-11 truthers" still deny the science and facts, so basically it amounts to a large group of conspiracy theorists that have a loosely knit outline of half-truthes to piece together some large-looming belief of what occurred.
anybody seen this documentary?? all i can say is "damn"
While I haven't yet seen the movie, Discovery or NatGeo (I forget which) recently aired a show called "911-Truth and Conspiracy" that featured the guy who made Loose Change. A very even, scientific look at some of the claims in the movie.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
This is a documentary made by Michael Moore. He also made one called SICKO that bashes the american health care system while he tries to make socialized health care look like a fairy tale. He also made a doc about capitalism, the irony in that one is that it's because of capitalism he was able to make millions of dollars off a doc that bashes it at the same time. Basically, he's a whack job and I don't take him very seriously. He's simply lining his pockets with cash while he feeds radical american views.
This is a documentary made by Michael Moore. He also made one called SICKO that bashes the american health care system while he tries to make socialized health care look like a fairy tale. He also made a doc about capitalism, the irony in that one is that it's because of capitalism he was able to make millions of dollars off a doc that bashes it at the same time. Basically, he's a whack job and I don't take him very seriously. He's simply lining his pockets with cash while he feeds radical american views.
uhhh ... i'm pretty sure michael moore didn't make this movie ...
This is a documentary made by Michael Moore. He also made one called SICKO that bashes the american health care system while he tries to make socialized health care look like a fairy tale. He also made a doc about capitalism, the irony in that one is that it's because of capitalism he was able to make millions of dollars off a doc that bashes it at the same time. Basically, he's a whack job and I don't take him very seriously. He's simply lining his pockets with cash while he feeds radical american views.
If you're wrong about simple facts like who made a particular movie...
could you also be wrong about the other (much more complicated) concepts that you condemn?
Is it a possibility???
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This is a documentary made by Michael Moore. He also made one called SICKO that bashes the american health care system while he tries to make socialized health care look like a fairy tale. He also made a doc about capitalism, the irony in that one is that it's because of capitalism he was able to make millions of dollars off a doc that bashes it at the same time. Basically, he's a whack job and I don't take him very seriously. He's simply lining his pockets with cash while he feeds radical american views.
uhhh ... i'm pretty sure michael moore didn't make this movie ...
I thought Moore made Loose Change. Oh well, sorry. It's been a very long time since I watched it.
This is a documentary made by Michael Moore. He also made one called SICKO that bashes the american health care system while he tries to make socialized health care look like a fairy tale. He also made a doc about capitalism, the irony in that one is that it's because of capitalism he was able to make millions of dollars off a doc that bashes it at the same time. Basically, he's a whack job and I don't take him very seriously. He's simply lining his pockets with cash while he feeds radical american views.
If you're wrong about simple facts like who made a particular movie...
could you also be wrong about the other (much more complicated) concepts that you condemn?
i thought loose change was an interesting film. i'm not saying its all true, but it does raise some interesting questions that have not been answered to many many peoples' satisfaction.
to the people who think michael moore made this, what documentary film has he ever made where he was not the narrator and star of the film??
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I watched Zeitgeist. I don't have any vested interest in the religious aspect... but the part about the financial issues and the federal reserve is selective and not thorough. I watched it and then did my own research and inquiries afterwards and lots of it is merely pieced together on loosely connected facts and connections in history. Ie.. it is edited together to make a good story or theory but in reality is not fact, more of a twisted retrospective on economics, history and power through the century. It's done in a very simplistic manner so it makes it easy to enjoy, watch and capture mentally, yet in reality, it leads you down a path of false assumptions based on half-truthes compared to taking it for fact.
anybody seen this documentary?? all i can say is "damn"
check out "zeitgeist"
.. particularly for parts 2 and 3, which cover 9/11 and the federal reserve.
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i haven't seen this but i did see that jesse ventura show about 9/11
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it's only the most paranoid account in your perspective
If believing the inside job stories (which are just as circumstantial as the "official" account, if not more so) helps you to sleep easier, power to you.
it's only the most paranoid account in your perspective
If believing the inside job stories (which are just as circumstantial as the "official" account, if not more so) helps you to sleep easier, power to you.
my only point in the matter is that you don't know the truth as much as the next guy ... calling his opinion a paranoid account is only meant to ostracize him ... a tactic that is used by many PR firms and political pundits ...
And the "inside job theories" are not "circumstantial" they are based on factual first person accounts. From the people who worked in the building for 30 years, the first responders (firemen and cops), eyewitnesses of the bombs going off in the building, the air traffic controllers, the military involved in the misinfornation tests that day, is that enough yet?
Not one black box recovered (1st in history), complete military stand down during the incident itself, third building detonated that wasn't hit by planes, no plane wreckage in pa or dc, unprecedented number of stock put options put on wtc related businesses that day, and only like another 4 to 500 things.
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This conversation has taken place on this board too many times. Most of your first person factual accounts have been answered and explained. In my opinion anyone who suscribes to this bullshit consipracy theroy can go to fucking hell.
Most of your first person factual accounts have been answered and explained.
ok, so explain the non-recovery of four black boxes. Explain the unprecedented amount of put options. Explain the military stand down, and the confusion testing of running the exact same scenario at the same time, explain the fireman accounts of a bomb had gone off in the basement and first floor before they got there (before the buildings fell).
AND ABOVE ALL, explain to me, or show me where, someone has disproven the PHYSICS that it was IMPOSSIBLE for the building to fall at that rate of speed if the floors did indeed "pancake" as is the official story/myth. IF the floors pancaked it would have taken over 90 seconds for the tower to fall. It dropped in 9 seconds, the rate of free fall. This means, by physical PROVEN SCIENCE, that there MUST have been a controlled demolition of the tower.
Now what?
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ok, so explain the non-recovery of four black boxes. Explain the unprecedented amount of put options. Explain the military stand down, and the confusion testing of running the exact same scenario at the same time, explain the fireman accounts of a bomb had gone off in the basement and first floor before they got there (before the buildings fell).
AND ABOVE ALL, explain to me, or show me where, someone has disproven the PHYSICS that it was IMPOSSIBLE for the building to fall at that rate of speed if the floors did indeed "pancake" as is the official story/myth. IF the floors pancaked it would have taken over 90 seconds for the tower to fall. It dropped in 9 seconds, the rate of free fall. This means, by physical PROVEN SCIENCE, that there MUST have been a controlled demolition of the tower.
Now what?
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I'm not trying to change your opinion on the subject, just merely saying it's been discussed to death on this forum and if you do a simple search in this site for it, you could read it and discuss it there.
search what? All this proves its an inside job. Not one thing has been debunked.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
my only point in the matter is that you don't know the truth as much as the next guy ... calling his opinion a paranoid account is only meant to ostracize him ... a tactic that is used by many PR firms and political pundits ...
That's your response to any point that you don't agree with, though ... "That's a common technique used to .... (insert term like ostracize, marginalize, etc.)". So, the basic notion is that using a descriptor is a way to foreclose discussion? Assuming this is true, how exactly does one criticize or take issue with someone's view of the facts, then? Taken to the extreme, no debate is possible for fear that someone is being excluded or marginalized. Might as well shut down the board.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
If you've seen Loose Change and still haven't made your mind up about 9/11, this program is worth downloading.
While I haven't yet seen the movie, Discovery or NatGeo (I forget which) recently aired a show called "911-Truth and Conspiracy" that featured the guy who made Loose Change. A very even, scientific look at some of the claims in the movie.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
uhhh ... i'm pretty sure michael moore didn't make this movie ...
If you're wrong about simple facts like who made a particular movie...
could you also be wrong about the other (much more complicated) concepts that you condemn?
Is it a possibility???
I thought Moore made Loose Change. Oh well, sorry. It's been a very long time since I watched it.
Anything is possible...but I doubt it.
check out "zeitgeist"
.. particularly for parts 2 and 3, which cover 9/11 and the federal reserve.
to the people who think michael moore made this, what documentary film has he ever made where he was not the narrator and star of the film??
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
DO THE EVOLUTION - a 20th Anniversary Tribute Celebration
of PEARL JAM - WORLD CAFE LIVE PHILLY JUNE 19th 7pm
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Problem solved. The thread can be closed.
Indeed ... Let's just all assume that the most paranoid account is the correct one.
it's only the most paranoid account in your perspective
If believing the inside job stories (which are just as circumstantial as the "official" account, if not more so) helps you to sleep easier, power to you.
my only point in the matter is that you don't know the truth as much as the next guy ... calling his opinion a paranoid account is only meant to ostracize him ... a tactic that is used by many PR firms and political pundits ...
Not one black box recovered (1st in history), complete military stand down during the incident itself, third building detonated that wasn't hit by planes, no plane wreckage in pa or dc, unprecedented number of stock put options put on wtc related businesses that day, and only like another 4 to 500 things.
DO THE EVOLUTION - a 20th Anniversary Tribute Celebration
of PEARL JAM - WORLD CAFE LIVE PHILLY JUNE 19th 7pm
That's all from me on this topic.
ok, so explain the non-recovery of four black boxes. Explain the unprecedented amount of put options. Explain the military stand down, and the confusion testing of running the exact same scenario at the same time, explain the fireman accounts of a bomb had gone off in the basement and first floor before they got there (before the buildings fell).
AND ABOVE ALL, explain to me, or show me where, someone has disproven the PHYSICS that it was IMPOSSIBLE for the building to fall at that rate of speed if the floors did indeed "pancake" as is the official story/myth. IF the floors pancaked it would have taken over 90 seconds for the tower to fall. It dropped in 9 seconds, the rate of free fall. This means, by physical PROVEN SCIENCE, that there MUST have been a controlled demolition of the tower.
Now what?
DO THE EVOLUTION - a 20th Anniversary Tribute Celebration
of PEARL JAM - WORLD CAFE LIVE PHILLY JUNE 19th 7pm
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
DO THE EVOLUTION - a 20th Anniversary Tribute Celebration
of PEARL JAM - WORLD CAFE LIVE PHILLY JUNE 19th 7pm
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
That's your response to any point that you don't agree with, though ... "That's a common technique used to .... (insert term like ostracize, marginalize, etc.)". So, the basic notion is that using a descriptor is a way to foreclose discussion? Assuming this is true, how exactly does one criticize or take issue with someone's view of the facts, then? Taken to the extreme, no debate is possible for fear that someone is being excluded or marginalized. Might as well shut down the board.