Ed on religion

Big Man

catefrances wrote:

who says im not?

did I say you? yeah, i guess i was not happy with your last two words...

(...thats all)

Heineken Helen

catefrances wrote:

they don't. but i will ignore the comment. twill be as if they never uttered it and i never heard it.

well that's a very grown up and polite response to somebody being polite

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

well that's a very grown up and polite response to somebody being polite

well what the fuck do you want me to do helen? i told you how i'd deal with a blessing and you rag on me. i said i was an atheist not a neanderthal with zero social skills.

ajedigecko

catefrances wrote:

well what the fuck do you want me to do helen? i told you how i'd deal with a blessing and you rag on me. i said i was an atheist not a neanderthal with zero social skills.

a neanderthal with zero social skills.......that is my second big smile of the day.

oh.....and "damn you".

U R A Crazy Breed

catefrances wrote:

they don't. but i will ignore the comment. twill be as if they never uttered it and i never heard it.

that's bullshit dude,obviously if the bless you comes from a stranger it is an act of respect/courtesy. then you ignore them and look like an ignorant ass IMO.

that would be like a woman who doesn't believe in chivalry and you hold the door open for her and she walks past without a thank you.would you call her a bitch and walk away? or spend time contemplating what her problem was and the reasons for her actions? (or lack of)

I've been told religion is to blame for the worlds Ill's but you atheists can't even be polite!

cc10106

wow it's really sticky in here. i hope some of you finally got off. this is a trainwreck.

cc10106

catefrances wrote:

same dif. the sentiment is the same.

no it's not. it's the same fuking thing as 'cazoontite', or however it's spelled. would that offend you too? do you get offended if someone holds the door open for you too?

for me it's a figure of speech that i don't take literally and if someone else does, that's their problem. regardless of whatever history there is behind the phrase.

Jeanie

otis mcfluster wrote:

So at the LA 1 show, Ed was talking about this commercial he saw for a Christian Rock album, and then went on to criticize through song how they all look the same, act the same, can't think for themselves and are all sheep. Which I thought was somewhat comical.

But in retrospect it was certainly more ironic than anything.

The fact that Ed was pontificating this to the obnoxious chick to my right who kept yelling how much she loves and worships Ed, how sexy he was, telling her friend about the time she touched him, laughing at jokes that weren't really jokes, woohoo-ing and clapping things that didn't warrant applause, and shouting fuck yeah! before Ed was halfway through a sentence.

And then there was the couple to my left, overly consumed with what Ed was drinking so that they could start drinking it, so happy to see "his beard and long hair back", and wondering what kind of jeans he was wearing.

I guess it is just funny to mock one group of mindless followers to a live group of mindless followers hanging on his every word--the only difference is the messenger.

I’m always a little amazed at how stupid the majority of Pearl Jam crowds are--kind of embarrassing to be honest.

If you're embarrassed and you think the crowds are stupid why bother going at all?

jwillmo

Jeanie wrote:

If you're embarrassed and you think the crowds are stupid why bother going at all?

Gee I don't know.. The Fucking Music?

Sorry to jump back in, I swore I was done with this one but couldn't let that pass. It just seems like this conversation has gotten so off track we're forgetting the one thing that's tying everyone on this board together (save one or two trolls that is).

catefrances

Crazy Breed wrote:

that's bullshit dude,obviously if the bless you comes from a stranger it is an act of respect/courtesy. then you ignore them and look like an ignorant ass IMO.

that would be like a woman who doesn't believe in chivalry and you hold the door open for her and she walks past without a thank you.would you call her a bitch and walk away? or spend time contemplating what her problem was and the reasons for her actions? (or lack of)

I've been told religion is to blame for the worlds Ill's but you atheists can't even be polite!

its not bullshit.., dude. :rolleyes: for me tis akin to people who pass you in the street who say hi how are you? they don't really want to know how you are, they say it purely on reflex. if i told people how i felt they'd run a mile and call the appropriate authorities. how can it be a amrl of respect from a stranger? they dont know me? i do believe to truly repsect someone you must actually know them personally or by reputation at the least. you can't just assume they are a good person. they could be a serial killer for all i know. therefore they do not deserve my respect. let alone me blseeing tem or holding a door open for them.
and btw i hold the door open for ANYONE who is within space enough to take advantage of my pause. it matters not if they are a guy or a girl. it has nothing to do with chivalry. if someone held the door open for me be they male or female i certainly would not be rude. i may utter a thanks, i may not.
i do not see it as disrespectful that i dont offer a thanks to someone who blesses me in ignorance. the fact that i do not chastise them is enough respect as far as im concerned. i do not belittle them nor draw attention to the blessing. i did not ask for it, so why should i compromise myself in saying thank you or whatever it is you people expect of me, if it is counter to my beliefs. i mean shit sometimes i even smile to show im not truly offended, even though blessing is not something i am comfortable with. so just back the fuck off and save the blessing for people you know are believers.

jwillmo

catefrances wrote:

its not bullshit.., dude. :rolleyes: for me tis akin to people who pass you in the street who say hi how are you? they don't really want to know how you are, they say it purely on reflex. if i told people how i felt they'd run a mile and call the appropriate authorities. how can it be a amrl of respect from a stranger? they dont know me? i do believe to truly repsect someone you must actually know them personally or by reputation at the least. you can't just assume they are a good person. they could be a serial killer for all i know. therefore they do not deserve my respect. let alone me blseeing tem or holding a door open for them.
and btw i hold the door open for ANYONE who is within space enough to take advantage of my pause. it matters not if they are a guy or a girl. it has nothing to do with chivalry. if someone held the door open for me be they male or female i certainly would not be rude. i may utter a thanks, i may not.
i do not see it as disrespectful that i dont offer a thanks to someone who blesses me in ignorance. the fact that i do not chastise them is enough respect as far as im concerned. i do not belittle them nor draw attention to the blessing. i did not ask for it, so why should i compromise myself in saying thank you or whatever it is you people expect of me, if it is counter to my beliefs. i mean shit sometimes i even smile to show im not truly offended, even though blessing is not something i am comfortable with. so just back the fuck off and save the blessing for people you know are believers.

I hope to god or nature or whathaveyou that I never, ever, ever get that fucking cynical.

Jeanie

jwillmo wrote:

Gee I don't know.. The Fucking Music?

Sorry to jump back in, I swore I was done with this one but couldn't let that pass.

WHY???? WHY do I come here???? There are more rude, sarcastic comments on the Porch than The Train even! :rolleyes: It was a simple question, there's really no need to get uptight about it. If you can't answer civilly then don't bother.

Just for the record I like gospel music but hell would freeze over before you'd find me in a church listening to the choir. They got their own thing going on and I sure wouldn't be rocking on in criticizing them. Seems to me if you don't like the opinion of the performer and you think the crowd suck then you might as well stay at home.

jwillmo

Jeanie wrote:

WHY???? WHY do I come here???? There are more rude, sarcastic comments on the Porch than The Train even! :rolleyes: It was a simple question, there's really no need to get uptight about it. If you can't answer civilly then don't bother.

Just for the record I like gospel music but hell would freeze over before you'd find me in a church listening to the choir. They got their own thing going on and I sure wouldn't be rocking on in criticizing them. Seems to me if you don't like the opinion of the performer and you think the crowd suck then you might as well stay at home.

Easy, there. I'm just saying that if I based the live music I see on whether or not I agreed with the singer's politics or whether or not there were any idiots in the audience, I would never see another show again, and that would suck. Some people listen to Pearl Jam because they actually like the music, nothing more and nothing less. It wasn't so much sarcasm as it was shock that someone wouldn't realize that. Sorry.

U R A Crazy Breed

catefrances wrote:

its not bullshit.., dude. :rolleyes: for me tis akin to people who pass you in the street who say hi how are you? they don't really want to know how you are, they say it purely on reflex. if i told people how i felt they'd run a mile and call the appropriate authorities. how can it be a amrl of respect from a stranger? they dont know me? i do believe to truly repsect someone you must actually know them personally or by reputation at the least. you can't just assume they are a good person. they could be a serial killer for all i know. therefore they do not deserve my respect. let alone me blseeing tem or holding a door open for them.
and btw i hold the door open for ANYONE who is within space enough to take advantage of my pause. it matters not if they are a guy or a girl. it has nothing to do with chivalry. if someone held the door open for me be they male or female i certainly would not be rude. i may utter a thanks, i may not.
i do not see it as disrespectful that i dont offer a thanks to someone who blesses me in ignorance. the fact that i do not chastise them is enough respect as far as im concerned. i do not belittle them nor draw attention to the blessing. i did not ask for it, so why should i compromise myself in saying thank you or whatever it is you people expect of me, if it is counter to my beliefs. i mean shit sometimes i even smile to show im not truly offended, even though blessing is not something i am comfortable with. so just back the fuck off and save the blessing for people you know are believers.

all i'm saying is the world becomes a better place when people don't have to be friends to fucking respect or be KIND to each other!!

maybe you should wear a sign around your neck that say "I am an atheist,fuck off" so we will know not to offend you with our politeness.

catefrances

Crazy Breed wrote:

all i'm saying is the world becomes a better place when people don't have to be friends to fucking respect or be KIND to each other!!

maybe you should wear a sign around your neck that say "I am an atheist,fuck off" so we will know not to offend you with our politeness.

no what i should do it fucking kill myself and then i wont have to deal with people. i am a misanthrope. i cant deal with people. i dont want them in my space. ive tried. but as much as i try i end up hating myself. im not disrespectful. if you knew me you'd understand that.

Jeanie

jwillmo wrote:

Easy, there. I'm just saying that if I based the live music I see on whether or not I agreed with the singer's politics or whether or not there were any idiots in the audience, I would never see another show again, and that would suck. Some people listen to Pearl Jam because they actually like the music, nothing more and nothing less. It wasn't so much sarcasm as it was shock that someone wouldn't realize that. Sorry.

No worries. I guess I just don't understand why people aren't already well versed in Ed's opinions. The man is opinionated. He's an activist. This website and many others, plenty of media over the years have provided a soapbox for Ed's opinions and you've only got to spend 2 seconds on the porch to know that people idolize the man. So none of it is new information. So I guess what I'm not getting is, given that this information is readily available, has been established fact for many years, IF a person takes issue with the views of Ed and the views of the fans but they still like the music enough to want to see the concert then how hard is it to go knowing full well what it will most likely be like and not come home bitching like a baby because things didn't turn out as preferred? I just think it's poor form.

cc10106

catefrances wrote:

and btw i hold the door open for ANYONE who is within space enough to take advantage of my pause. it matters not if they are a guy or a girl. it has nothing to do with chivalry. if someone held the door open for me be they male or female i certainly would not be rude. i may utter a thanks, i may not.
i do not see it as disrespectful that i dont offer a thanks to someone who blesses me in ignorance. the fact that i do not chastise them is enough respect as far as im concerned. i do not belittle them nor draw attention to the blessing. i did not ask for it, so why should i compromise myself in saying thank you or whatever it is you people expect of me, if it is counter to my beliefs. i mean shit sometimes i even smile to show im not truly offended, even though blessing is not something i am comfortable with. so just back the fuck off and save the blessing for people you know are believers.

glad you decided to elaborate on the whole opening doors thing. i feel the same way, makes no difference if male or female. it's just a nice (not fake), simple, HUMAN gesture that is second nature to me. same goes if someone is sneezing their brains out around me and me saying 'bless you', etc. has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything religious. and i certainly don't expect someone to thank me for doing either of those, it's just me being me.

jwillmo

Jeanie wrote:

No worries. I guess I just don't understand why people aren't already well versed in Ed's opinions. The man is opinionated. He's an activist. This website and many others, plenty of media over the years have provided a soapbox for Ed's opinions and you've only got to spend 2 seconds on the porch to know that people idolize the man. So none of it is new information. So I guess what I'm not getting is, given that this information is readily available, has been established fact for many years, IF a person takes issue with the views of Ed and the views of the fans but they still like the music enough to want to see the concert then how hard is it to go knowing full well what it will most likely be like and not come home bitching like a baby because things didn't turn out as preferred? I just think it's poor form.

I don't know, I thought the original post didn't seem "bitchy," I thought it was actually bringing up some valid points and was trying to have an intelligent discussion about the inherent irony of people blindly following Ed while he talks about blindly following people. Of course, 90% of this thread has had absolutely nothing to do with that.

And catefrances, as antagonistic as this has been, your "killing yourself" comment, whether it was a joke or not, is really fucking frightening. Not to sound condescending, but I really hope you can do something about that. I mean, I think people suck as much as the next guy, but automatically assuming the worst about people just because you don't know them is the kind of mentality that leads to things like the war in Iraq (They's all Muslims! Kill em All!) If it's not God, I certainly hope you can find peace in SOMETHING.

U R A Crazy Breed

catefrances wrote:

no what i should do it fucking kill myself and then i wont have to deal with people. i am a misanthrope. i cant deal with people. i dont want them in my space. ive tried. but as much as i try i end up hating myself. im not disrespectful. if you knew me you'd understand that.

wow,chill dude! we don't have to go there. and if that's the case i understand why you think the way you do.

God bless...i mean,TAKE CARE! (just fuck'n with ya)

Jeanie

jwillmo wrote:

I don't know, I thought the original post didn't seem "bitchy," I thought it was actually bringing up some valid points and was trying to have an intelligent discussion about the inherent irony of people blindly following Ed while he talks about blindly following people. Of course, 90% of this thread has had absolutely nothing to do with that.

And catefrances, as antagonistic as this has been, your "killing yourself" comment, whether it was a joke or not, is really fucking frightening. Not to sound condescending, but I really hope you can do something about that. I mean, I think people suck as much as the next guy, but automatically assuming the worst about people just because you don't know them is the kind of mentality that leads to things like the war in Iraq (They's all Muslims! Kill em All!) If it's not God, I certainly hope you can find peace in SOMETHING.

Fair enough but I kinda viewed it the same as if I'd gone to church to listen to the gospel music and then come home whining because the people there were religious, kept talking about god and everyone was having a collective hallelujah moment over the preacher and it ruined the music.