SMOKERS STINK!

low lighter

for the past 15 years i have worked in the Childcare Industry and at the 4 different centres i worked at we had a "smoking" policy in our staff handbook. During lunch breaks smokes had to wear a jacket or shirt provided to smoke in so it didn't stay on their clothes, when they came back they had to wash their hands and brush their teeth. This prevented any second hand smoke transferring to the children and increasing the risk of SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) and i must say even the having to wear a jacket really made the smoke not an issue.. but all for Children's health so thats good. For me personally i cant be around close confined spaces with smokers as i have had on numerous occasions Asthma attacks, so i avoid them, all my friends and family who smoke have never smoked inside, however i also respect their rights and dont complain about their smell.. it would however suck being near a smelly person at your work place through smoking or any other cause.. i must admit the heating up foods that are stinky is horrible!

dunkman

not only do they stink but they have yellowish tongues.

some of them also have that brown staining on their fingers that looks like they've anally investigated a squirrel.

:thumbdown:

The Juggler

dunkman wrote:

not only do they stink but they have yellowish tongues.

some of them also have that brown staining on their fingers that looks like they've anally investigated a squirrel.

:thumbdown:

in short, all smokers are disgusting!

neilybabes86

dunkman wrote:

not only do they stink but they have yellowish tongues.

some of them also have that brown staining on their fingers that looks like they've anally investigated a squirrel.

:thumbdown:

i don't have any of those symptons..


in fact im gonna go down in the snowstorm for one right now

Drowned Out

scb wrote:

Nope... it's not anything like that. I feel sorry for lots of people who make bad personal decisions that cause them to have personal problems like addiction. But just because they have a problem it doesn't give them the right to infringe upon my personal health. If they want to ruin their own health, fine - but they can leave me out of it. I'll gladly support programs to help them kick their addictions if they want to.

I can’t shake the feeling that the level of indignation in the majority of these complaints is disproportionate to the actual discomfort – mostly just venom directed at smokers in general. But I’m glad to see a sliver of empathy, and that you don’t sound as out for blood as many are with smokers.

I guess I’m gauging the severity of this by my own experience, so….
Do you have to work right next to these people all day? I’ve never had a job where I stood close enough to anyone long enough for a smell to be anything but a momentary inconvenience (and I was forthright enough to tell them to their face if it made me uncomfortable)…

If we’re talking about a quick wiff of smoke…boo hoo…I understand that it causes you actual physical discomfort (I assume it would need to be somewhat prolonged); sincerely – that sucks…but bottom line is that in most work places, they’re not breaking any rules, and your sensitivity is not the norm….which, by default…does make it your problem to deal with.

I would have no problem (if I were a smoker) with a policy similar to the one mentioned above – mandatory smoking jackets…washing hands/brushing teeth/gum etc should be common courtesy, and should be encouraged along with the policy…but I mean….man. Do we need regulations and rules for every little issue? Micromanage every little move in the workplace? nerf the world, right?

Danimal

Wow. What a bunch of pussies...

"Ewwwwwww it's stinky!"

How do you people use a bathroom?

vduboise

Drowned Out wrote:

scb wrote:

Nope... it's not anything like that. I feel sorry for lots of people who make bad personal decisions that cause them to have personal problems like addiction. But just because they have a problem it doesn't give them the right to infringe upon my personal health. If they want to ruin their own health, fine - but they can leave me out of it. I'll gladly support programs to help them kick their addictions if they want to.

I can’t shake the feeling that the level of indignation in the majority of these complaints is disproportionate to the actual discomfort – mostly just venom directed at smokers in general. But I’m glad to see a sliver of empathy, and that you don’t sound as out for blood as many are with smokers.

I guess I’m gauging the severity of this by my own experience, so….
Do you have to work right next to these people all day? I’ve never had a job where I stood close enough to anyone long enough for a smell to be anything but a momentary inconvenience (and I was forthright enough to tell them to their face if it made me uncomfortable)…

If we’re talking about a quick wiff of smoke…boo hoo…I understand that it causes you actual physical discomfort (I assume it would need to be somewhat prolonged); sincerely – that sucks…but bottom line is that in most work places, they’re not breaking any rules, and your sensitivity is not the norm….which, by default…does make it your problem to deal with.

I would have no problem (if I were a smoker) with a policy similar to the one mentioned above – mandatory smoking jackets…washing hands/brushing teeth/gum etc should be common courtesy, and should be encouraged along with the policy…but I mean….man. Do we need regulations and rules for every little issue? Micromanage every little move in the workplace? nerf the world, right?

Some people just don't realize that they stink. and unfortunately, if it is not regulated in some way, then people suffer on both sides. its called common courtesy- and some people don't do it.
I work in a kitchen, and if you go out and smoke- wash your hands after is a must. the smoke smell doesn't linger as much with the food smells in the air.

and Danimal, when you go to the bathroom- you do wash your hands, right??

The Juggler

vduboise wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

scb wrote:

and Danimal, when you go to the bathroom- you do wash your hands, right??

one would hope :roll:

The Juggler

instead of jackets and stuff, why don't companies just have a guy standing in front of the door with a huge fire truck type hose to just spray those smokers down before they re-enter the building? then we can have them stand next to these industrial size space heaters for a few minutes to dry off?

this should work.

Drowned Out

vduboise wrote:

Some people just don't realize that they stink. and unfortunately, if it is not regulated in some way, then people suffer on both sides. its called common courtesy- and some people don't do it.
I work in a kitchen, and if you go out and smoke- wash your hands after is a must. the smoke smell doesn't linger as much with the food smells in the air.

and Danimal, when you go to the bathroom- you do wash your hands, right??

But how much are you suffering? I mean, lets be real here....are you stuck smelling this all day, or are you crying about smelling smoke for 5 seconds every couple hours?

And a kitchen is different...but fuck...do we need RULES telling us to wash our hands? Legislate common courtesy? Are we fucking gerbils or what?

I mean...we're talking about people's livelihood being manipulated by subjective rules surrounding smells and hygeine...doesnt that sound overboard to most of you? No better way of handling it?

Hypothetical - There is evidence that deoderant causes all kinds of illnesses. So if I were to stop wearing it, and either developed a errrr natural scent that you found offensive, or if I used an alternate product you didn't like the smell of....whose rights are more important? Do I need to smell like everyone else at the detriment of my health just so that you don't have to smell my subjectively offensive odour? There is no way to keep everyone happy....so kids,we need to find ways to play together without grown up supervision.

As with everything else in life - It's the overly rigid, uncompromising people on BOTH sides that cause the problems.

decides2dream

dcfaithful wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

i'm officially not satisfied with them not being allowed to smoke in public buildings. after putting up with this huge ashtray of a man who has sat next to me at work for the past year, i am now in favor of them being forced to work in their own blocked off little area of the office. this dude who sits next to me goes outside for a smoke break at least 2-3 times an hour and he REEKS. its so bad i am going to be getting a little fan for my desk to aim in his direction. it's disgusting.

i've never understood how smokers can't realize how bad they smell. if i smoked i would have axe or some other body spray on call at all times.

ever since i can remember i have hated the smell of cigarette smoke so perhaps this bugs me more than most people. but does anyone else have this problem at work or something? it actually affects my day to day activities. i'll be on the phone with someone and this guy will walk past me after taking a smoke break and the smell just hits me like a ton of bricks and i lose my train of thought.

naturally i am kidding about them having to work in their own section. i just needed a few minutes to vent. this is something that really gets under your jeagler's skin though. :evil: :evil: :evil: :twisted:

YES!
:twisted:

seriously, i AM a former smoker, and i cannot believe i went around 20 years of my life smelling like that!

there is this woman at work - who also is a mega-bitch so just adds to her appeal :roll: - and she is at the end of my cube row so i must walk past her cube every time i need to go anywhere in the office, which is often. she is disgusting! she totally REEKS! it's almost like pigpen from charlie brown, it's like an aura of smoke and stink surrounding her. EVERYbody comments on it. nasty. she goes out like once an hour, definitely has more than one ciggie - and comes back and stinks! scary thing too...she has to go all the way outside, then come up 32 floors, and the stink is still on her! i think it sticks to some people more than others for whatever reason, b/c other smokers in the office don't smell nearly as bad. you can actually tell if she has walked where you are, there's a smoke stink trail. she also makes nasty, phelgmy coughs all day long. she is just gross.

my mom, at almost 82 now! - is still a smoker. when we pick her up to take her places, when she first enters the car can smell the smoke...her condo smells like smoke...but otherwise, she is not nearly as bad.

it really is nasty to deal with all day long at work. so i feel for ya jeags and empathize.

32 floors? Multiple cigs? Once an hour? Estimating her breaks are 20 minutes (and that's a quick smoke break given her criteria), she's spending nearly 3 hours of her day taking smoke breaks. When you lay it out, that's pretty damn inefficient.

yep, just about right.
obviously, i don't monitor her behavior....but being only 2 cubes over and passing her endlessly, have a very good sense of how much she is at her desk vs. not. my colleague right next to her who has worked with her much longer, says it's always been like that. however, this chick has been working with our senior partner since he was an associate, so basically, she is protected on high....and she knows it. thus, she shops often - as in leaving the office and coming back with bags....smokes a million cigs a day....and supposedly doesn't take lunch, thus she figures in ZERO time for it (whereas we all have to add either a half hour or one hour to our 8 hour day for eating) so she comes in for exactly 8 hours, even tho she goes and buys lunch, daily, eats it at her desk...and smokes 2-3 hours worth of cigs a day.(tho better than she used to be, she used to only come in for 6 hours, plus take just as many breaks..it was crazy) she IS totally inefficient. we joke she must have compromising pics of the senior partner or sumthin'. so yea...she's a smelly, inefficient bitch. been with the firm over 20 years tho, so somehow they 'reward' her behavior, but others have been let go for a lot less. i guess whatever little work she does accomplish is 'enough'...i honestly have no idea. i just know if me or just about anyone else behaved as she does, we'd be out on our ass in less than 6 months. and so it goes, life ain't fair...proof positive. eh well...

Lizard

Thank god no one monitors my inefficiency due to this board!!

decides2dream

Lizard wrote:

Thank god no one monitors my inefficiency due to this board!!

well damn, yea.....me too!
that's the thing tho, everyone is online, but at least they are AT their desks!
gotta have some criteria....


and hey, at least you don't smell....;)

pearljgirl2010

The Jeagler wrote:

instead of jackets and stuff, why don't companies just have a guy standing in front of the door with a huge fire truck type hose to just spray those smokers down before they re-enter the building? then we can have them stand next to these industrial size space heaters for a few minutes to dry off?

this should work.

hee hee...what a great mental picture!

You know, I absolutely despise the smell of cigarettes...and yes, if someone walks by me and blows smoke in my direction, i will cough and get annoyed. But I also notice that there are some smokers here that are positively freaking out that people don't like it/are sensitive about it/whatever...am i the only one who finds it amusing??

xavier mcdaniel

pearljgirl2010 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

instead of jackets and stuff, why don't companies just have a guy standing in front of the door with a huge fire truck type hose to just spray those smokers down before they re-enter the building? then we can have them stand next to these industrial size space heaters for a few minutes to dry off?

this should work.

hee hee...what a great mental picture!

You know, I absolutely despise the smell of cigarettes...and yes, if someone walks by me and blows smoke in my direction, i will cough and get annoyed. But I also notice that there are some smokers here that are positively freaking out that people don't like it/are sensitive about it/whatever...am i the only one who finds it amusing??

I'm the same way. If someone lights up at the bus stop or on the train platform, I'll move as far away as possible. Frankly, I don't care if someone has a problem with it, I don't want to inhale any of the second hand smoke.

pandora

It doesn't bother me much at all. We go out to bars and people smoke- whatever its not going to stop me from enjoying a local band or meeting new friends, having fun.
People I love smoke. I smoked for a few years as a young girl maybe this makes me more understanding but for me each their own who am I to judge and even to find fault if they smell like cigs- really in the big scheme of things thats pretty minor.
Now spitting and picking your nose in public thats awful- spreading nasty ass germs. Thats not ok.

_

low lighter wrote:

for the past 15 years i have worked in the Childcare Industry and at the 4 different centres i worked at we had a "smoking" policy in our staff handbook. During lunch breaks smokes had to wear a jacket or shirt provided to smoke in so it didn't stay on their clothes, when they came back they had to wash their hands and brush their teeth. This prevented any second hand smoke transferring to the children and increasing the risk of SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) and i must say even the having to wear a jacket really made the smoke not an issue.. but all for Children's health so thats good.

For me personally i cant be around close confined spaces with smokers as i have had on numerous occasions Asthma attacks, so i avoid them

I think this goes to show 2 things:

1. A little bit of effort at consideration on the part of the smoker can go a long way.

2. The smoke is not just a foul smell, but it's actually something in the air that is harmful to the health of others.

_

Drowned Out wrote:

scb wrote:

Nope... it's not anything like that. I feel sorry for lots of people who make bad personal decisions that cause them to have personal problems like addiction. But just because they have a problem it doesn't give them the right to infringe upon my personal health. If they want to ruin their own health, fine - but they can leave me out of it. I'll gladly support programs to help them kick their addictions if they want to.

I can’t shake the feeling that the level of indignation in the majority of these complaints is disproportionate to the actual discomfort – mostly just venom directed at smokers in general. But I’m glad to see a sliver of empathy, and that you don’t sound as out for blood as many are with smokers.

I guess I’m gauging the severity of this by my own experience, so….
Do you have to work right next to these people all day? I’ve never had a job where I stood close enough to anyone long enough for a smell to be anything but a momentary inconvenience (and I was forthright enough to tell them to their face if it made me uncomfortable)…

If we’re talking about a quick wiff of smoke…boo hoo…I understand that it causes you actual physical discomfort (I assume it would need to be somewhat prolonged); sincerely – that sucks…but bottom line is that in most work places, they’re not breaking any rules, and your sensitivity is not the norm….which, by default…does make it your problem to deal with.

I would have no problem (if I were a smoker) with a policy similar to the one mentioned above – mandatory smoking jackets…washing hands/brushing teeth/gum etc should be common courtesy, and should be encouraged along with the policy…but I mean….man. Do we need regulations and rules for every little issue? Micromanage every little move in the workplace? nerf the world, right?

Personally, I don't have this problem with anyone in my office, so I can't answer your question about working next to the people all day.

In my work place, it IS breaking the rules. I work at a Health Sciences Center, which includes a hospital, a medical school, and a school of public health. Smoking is banned everywhere on campus - inside and outside. So I'm glad you side so strongly with the rules.

Regarding the sensitivity norm, I'm not sure you can accurately say that my sensitivity is not the norm and, even if this were true, I don't think that necessarily makes it my personal problem to deal with.

mikalina

I wish people who smoke can smell it on them, I'm sure they would quit in an instant. They smell like death, just horrible. :(

milarso

Michigan is going smoke free in all bars and restaurants (except for casinos for some reason...) in May! It was a huge controversy, but I, personally, can't wait!