re: Pats: please read people but i will say the same thing again. all i was doing there was pointing out the absurdity to me in saying you haven't won a Super Bowl in X amount of years you should be fired. when arguably the greatest coach and greatest QB off all time can go 6 years without a title i am just pointing out how hard it is to actually win one. you have to take it year to year and right now this franchise is still better off with Reid than anyone you would replace him with.
Saints, Colts and Pats all pass 1st teams that won Super Bowls in the past 10 years. to me physical/good-to-great defense is way more important than running the ball. saying a team has to run the ball is cliche-ish and tv-speak. i think it's bullshit. you do not have to have a great running game to win anymore, but you damn well better have a damn good passing game. big plays are made in the passing game.
Call it Cliche-ish if you want but the Steelers have just as many SB rings as those teams combined
Who said a great running game ? I said the run the ball in general...you can't be that one dimensional and put all that pressure on the QB for that huge play all the time..obviously its not working.
This isn't the greatest show on turf. Even it that what did us in against the Rams that year ? They pounded Faulk down our throats in the 2nd half..Even dopey Mike Martz runs the ball more than Reid
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panthers hire mcdermott for their coordinator position.
it is amazing that he already has a new job and nobody from the eagles has commented on his firing yet.
I'm a little surprised he was scooped up so fast
Their have plenty of horrible defenses over the years and for our D to be the worst in the Red Zone since '88 has to do with schemes and coaching some what
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panthers hire mcdermott for their coordinator position.
it is amazing that he already has a new job and nobody from the eagles has commented on his firing yet.
I'm a little surprised he was scooped up so fast
Their have plenty of horrible defenses over the years and for our D to be the worst in the Red Zone since '88 has to do with schemes and coaching some what
well the coach is ron rivera, our old d line coach. apparently rivera is treating the defense like reid used to with our offense by calling plays and essentially running it his way. mcdermott is gonna be like what childress was for us on offense back in the day. seems like a good spot for him.
but the fact that he got scooped up so quickly, i think, reiterates my point that the issue this year was more injuries and average at best talent than anything else this year. if you think about it most people thought our defensve talent was bad back in august. i thought they were better than than. average, maybe, with a chance to get better. and then they just got someone hurt seemingly every week to the point where you end up starting two 7th round rookies, a career backup, and other late round/no round guys in the playoffs......yet they allowed 17 and 21 points in our two biggest games. they weren't the sole reason we lost those games.
that said--the redzone defense was atrocious and i think there probably was something to mcdermott's plays being too complicated at times where players just want to attack.
i gotta say that i am not exactly thrilled with any of the three reported names the eagles are looking at for DC. i posted dick jauron coached team's rankings yesterday. not impressive at all. same can be said for the other two guys. here are their ranks in points allowed and yards allowed:
Jim Mora
49ers dc
’99…30th-pts….28th-yds
’00…28th-pts…29th-yds
’01…9th- pits…13th-yds
’02..18th-pts…14th-yds
’03…21st-pts…13th-yds
Falcons hc
’04…14th pts…14th-yds
’05…18th-pts…22nd-yds
’06…15th-pts…22nd-yds
Seahawks asst coach/secondary
’07…6th-pts…15th-yds
’08…25th-pts…30th-yds
’09…25th-pts…24th-yds
Billy Davis
49ers dc
’05…30th-pts…32nd-yds
’06…32nd-pts…26th-yds
Cardinals dc
’09…14th-pts…20th-yds
’10…30th-pts…29th-yds
i think jauron might be getting by on reputation somehow...mora seems to keep getting hired because of his name...and i have no idea why billy davis is even in the mix. those numbers are horrendous......billy davis? really?
Michael Vick got Sean McDermott fired. DeSean Jackson got McDermott fired. Brent Celek, David Akers and Marty Mornhinweg all got McDermott fired, too.
Because if they had done their jobs, if they had held up their end of the bargain against the Vikings and Packers, the Eagles might still be playing football.
And McDermott might still have a job.
If anybody told you three weeks ago that McDermott’s undermanned defense – Jamar Chaney and Kurt Coleman and Dimitri Patterson and Keenan Clayton and Colt Anderson and Trevard Lindley and friends – would hold the Vikings to 17 points and the Packers to 21, you’d figure the Eagles would have themselves a couple huge wins.
You’d figure this record-setting offense could find its way to 24 points in its two biggest games of the year.
It didn’t. And the restructuring of the Eagles’ defensive staff is the result.
So as this is all happening, take a break from blasting the defense and don’t forget to blame the offense and the kicker as well.
This isn’t about whether the Eagles need reinforcements on defense. They obviously do. This isn’t about whether McDermott should have been fired. That decision’s been made, and both sides are moving on. This isn’t about whether this large class of rookie defensive players is going to pan out. Too early to make that judgment, and anybody who’s already decided that Brandon Graham is a bust and Daniel Te’o-Nesheim can’t play just has to calm down and wait and see.
This is about the offense. Which was virtually at full strength for the Vikings and Packers and still managed to put up 14 and 16 points – and give up seven – in the two biggest games of the year.
Yet all the criticism is being pointed at McDermott and his outgunned, outmanned, injury-riddled unit and not at a healthy, explosive, record-setting offense jammed with Pro Bowl players and superstars that couldn’t produce when it had to.
Let’s face it. By the end of the year, McDermott had nothing. The only two name players on his unit by the time the playoffs rolled around were Asante Samuel, who was hobbled, and Trent Cole, who just looked gassed.
Watching the Packers light up the top-seeded Falcons for 48 points Saturday, it was hard not to think how courageously the Eagles’ defense played against Aaron Rodgers – the top-ranked quarterback in NFL history – limiting that offense to just 21 points and keeping the Eagles in the game while the offense desperately tried to get in gear.
From Week 1 up through the second Giants game, the Eagles averaged 30 points a game. Keep that going for two more weeks, and the Eagles would have faced the Bears Sunday at Soldier Field for a spot in the NFC Championship Game.
Think about it.
If Vick doesn’t throw that inexcusable interception at the end of the Green Bay game, McDermott most likely still has a job.
If Celek doesn’t step out of bounds on the two-point conversion attempt, nobody’s complaining that the Eagles’ linebackers are too small or their defensive backs too young.
Heck, if Akers – one of the most reliable kickers in NFL history – makes a couple field goals, the defense has just slowed down one of the most high-powered offenses in the NFL and helped the Eagles beat the mighty Packers in the playoffs.
If the Eagles had turned just one of those four disastrous trips inside the Green Bay 35-yard line that resulted in zero points into a touchdown, those 21 points the defense limited the Packers to would look pretty good.
This isn’t to absolve the defense. McDermott’s guys had plenty of chances to make plays that would have turned the game and didn’t. They didn’t get pressure when they had to get pressure, and they didn’t create turnovers when they needed to get turnovers. Most of all, they just couldn’t stop opposing QBs near the goal line.
We know all that. We also know you need players to make plays and for the most part, after injuries to Nate Allen and Graham and Ellis Hobbs and Stewart Bradley and Samuel and Brodrick Bunkley, they just didn’t have players.
The offense did. Plenty of ’em. Electrifying, explosive, record-setting players. And when it was time to produce, they failed.
Miserably.
How can a unit that has an MVP candidate at quarterback, a two-time Pro Bowl wide receiver, a 1,000-yard rusher, a near 1,000-yard No. 2 receiver and a Pro Bowl alternate tight end score 14 and 16 points in its two biggest games of the year and escape scrutiny while the other side of the ball – laden with rookies, undrafted free agents and emergency late-season pickups – gets blamed for everything?
Rodgers has started three playoff games in his career, putting up 45 points against the Cards, 48 points against the Falcons and 21 points against Keenan Clayton, Jamar Chaney, Kurt Coleman and Sean McDermott.
DeSean? He’s played in five postseason games and averaged 53 yards. He has 61 yards in the wild-card losses the last two years.
Shady? Just 115 yards on 22 touches and no big plays in his two playoff games.
Celek? Maclin? Vick? Jason Avant? Just not good enough.
This team was built to win now on offense while rebuilding on defense. The offense was supposed to carry the defense, not the other way around.
Looking back, it’s hard to imagine the defensive side of the ball doing anything more with what it had. Samuel and Cole were brilliant the first half of the season but non-factors later. Once their playmaking disappeared, there just wasn’t anything left. McDermott by the end of the season was just trying to field 11 healthy guys who knew where to line up – and sometimes he didn’t even have that.
And still the defense gave this team a chance to win. A very good chance.
But the offense couldn’t score 24 points at home in the two biggest games of the season. And their failings and the failings of one of the best kickers in NFL history ultimately cost McDermott his job and ended a season that just a few weeks ago had so much promise.
Michael Vick got Sean McDermott fired. DeSean Jackson got McDermott fired. Brent Celek, David Akers and Marty Mornhinweg all got McDermott fired, too.
Because if they had done their jobs, if they had held up their end of the bargain against the Vikings and Packers, the Eagles might still be playing football.
And McDermott might still have a job.
If anybody told you three weeks ago that McDermott’s undermanned defense – Jamar Chaney and Kurt Coleman and Dimitri Patterson and Keenan Clayton and Colt Anderson and Trevard Lindley and friends – would hold the Vikings to 17 points and the Packers to 21, you’d figure the Eagles would have themselves a couple huge wins.
You’d figure this record-setting offense could find its way to 24 points in its two biggest games of the year.
It didn’t. And the restructuring of the Eagles’ defensive staff is the result.
So as this is all happening, take a break from blasting the defense and don’t forget to blame the offense and the kicker as well.
This isn’t about whether the Eagles need reinforcements on defense. They obviously do. This isn’t about whether McDermott should have been fired. That decision’s been made, and both sides are moving on. This isn’t about whether this large class of rookie defensive players is going to pan out. Too early to make that judgment, and anybody who’s already decided that Brandon Graham is a bust and Daniel Te’o-Nesheim can’t play just has to calm down and wait and see.
This is about the offense. Which was virtually at full strength for the Vikings and Packers and still managed to put up 14 and 16 points – and give up seven – in the two biggest games of the year.
Yet all the criticism is being pointed at McDermott and his outgunned, outmanned, injury-riddled unit and not at a healthy, explosive, record-setting offense jammed with Pro Bowl players and superstars that couldn’t produce when it had to.
Let’s face it. By the end of the year, McDermott had nothing. The only two name players on his unit by the time the playoffs rolled around were Asante Samuel, who was hobbled, and Trent Cole, who just looked gassed.
Watching the Packers light up the top-seeded Falcons for 48 points Saturday, it was hard not to think how courageously the Eagles’ defense played against Aaron Rodgers – the top-ranked quarterback in NFL history – limiting that offense to just 21 points and keeping the Eagles in the game while the offense desperately tried to get in gear.
From Week 1 up through the second Giants game, the Eagles averaged 30 points a game. Keep that going for two more weeks, and the Eagles would have faced the Bears Sunday at Soldier Field for a spot in the NFC Championship Game.
Think about it.
If Vick doesn’t throw that inexcusable interception at the end of the Green Bay game, McDermott most likely still has a job.
If Celek doesn’t step out of bounds on the two-point conversion attempt, nobody’s complaining that the Eagles’ linebackers are too small or their defensive backs too young.
Heck, if Akers – one of the most reliable kickers in NFL history – makes a couple field goals, the defense has just slowed down one of the most high-powered offenses in the NFL and helped the Eagles beat the mighty Packers in the playoffs.
If the Eagles had turned just one of those four disastrous trips inside the Green Bay 35-yard line that resulted in zero points into a touchdown, those 21 points the defense limited the Packers to would look pretty good.
This isn’t to absolve the defense. McDermott’s guys had plenty of chances to make plays that would have turned the game and didn’t. They didn’t get pressure when they had to get pressure, and they didn’t create turnovers when they needed to get turnovers. Most of all, they just couldn’t stop opposing QBs near the goal line.
We know all that. We also know you need players to make plays and for the most part, after injuries to Nate Allen and Graham and Ellis Hobbs and Stewart Bradley and Samuel and Brodrick Bunkley, they just didn’t have players.
The offense did. Plenty of ’em. Electrifying, explosive, record-setting players. And when it was time to produce, they failed.
Miserably.
How can a unit that has an MVP candidate at quarterback, a two-time Pro Bowl wide receiver, a 1,000-yard rusher, a near 1,000-yard No. 2 receiver and a Pro Bowl alternate tight end score 14 and 16 points in its two biggest games of the year and escape scrutiny while the other side of the ball – laden with rookies, undrafted free agents and emergency late-season pickups – gets blamed for everything?
Rodgers has started three playoff games in his career, putting up 45 points against the Cards, 48 points against the Falcons and 21 points against Keenan Clayton, Jamar Chaney, Kurt Coleman and Sean McDermott.
DeSean? He’s played in five postseason games and averaged 53 yards. He has 61 yards in the wild-card losses the last two years.
Shady? Just 115 yards on 22 touches and no big plays in his two playoff games.
Celek? Maclin? Vick? Jason Avant? Just not good enough.
This team was built to win now on offense while rebuilding on defense. The offense was supposed to carry the defense, not the other way around.
Looking back, it’s hard to imagine the defensive side of the ball doing anything more with what it had. Samuel and Cole were brilliant the first half of the season but non-factors later. Once their playmaking disappeared, there just wasn’t anything left. McDermott by the end of the season was just trying to field 11 healthy guys who knew where to line up – and sometimes he didn’t even have that.
And still the defense gave this team a chance to win. A very good chance.
But the offense couldn’t score 24 points at home in the two biggest games of the season. And their failings and the failings of one of the best kickers in NFL history ultimately cost McDermott his job and ended a season that just a few weeks ago had so much promise.
Can't really argue any of that
Reid can't fire himself
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Michael Vick got Sean McDermott fired. DeSean Jackson got McDermott fired. Brent Celek, David Akers and Marty Mornhinweg all got McDermott fired, too.
Because if they had done their jobs, if they had held up their end of the bargain against the Vikings and Packers, the Eagles might still be playing football.
And McDermott might still have a job.
If anybody told you three weeks ago that McDermott’s undermanned defense – Jamar Chaney and Kurt Coleman and Dimitri Patterson and Keenan Clayton and Colt Anderson and Trevard Lindley and friends – would hold the Vikings to 17 points and the Packers to 21, you’d figure the Eagles would have themselves a couple huge wins.
You’d figure this record-setting offense could find its way to 24 points in its two biggest games of the year.
It didn’t. And the restructuring of the Eagles’ defensive staff is the result.
So as this is all happening, take a break from blasting the defense and don’t forget to blame the offense and the kicker as well.
This isn’t about whether the Eagles need reinforcements on defense. They obviously do. This isn’t about whether McDermott should have been fired. That decision’s been made, and both sides are moving on. This isn’t about whether this large class of rookie defensive players is going to pan out. Too early to make that judgment, and anybody who’s already decided that Brandon Graham is a bust and Daniel Te’o-Nesheim can’t play just has to calm down and wait and see.
This is about the offense. Which was virtually at full strength for the Vikings and Packers and still managed to put up 14 and 16 points – and give up seven – in the two biggest games of the year.
Yet all the criticism is being pointed at McDermott and his outgunned, outmanned, injury-riddled unit and not at a healthy, explosive, record-setting offense jammed with Pro Bowl players and superstars that couldn’t produce when it had to.
Let’s face it. By the end of the year, McDermott had nothing. The only two name players on his unit by the time the playoffs rolled around were Asante Samuel, who was hobbled, and Trent Cole, who just looked gassed.
Watching the Packers light up the top-seeded Falcons for 48 points Saturday, it was hard not to think how courageously the Eagles’ defense played against Aaron Rodgers – the top-ranked quarterback in NFL history – limiting that offense to just 21 points and keeping the Eagles in the game while the offense desperately tried to get in gear.
From Week 1 up through the second Giants game, the Eagles averaged 30 points a game. Keep that going for two more weeks, and the Eagles would have faced the Bears Sunday at Soldier Field for a spot in the NFC Championship Game.
Think about it.
If Vick doesn’t throw that inexcusable interception at the end of the Green Bay game, McDermott most likely still has a job.
If Celek doesn’t step out of bounds on the two-point conversion attempt, nobody’s complaining that the Eagles’ linebackers are too small or their defensive backs too young.
Heck, if Akers – one of the most reliable kickers in NFL history – makes a couple field goals, the defense has just slowed down one of the most high-powered offenses in the NFL and helped the Eagles beat the mighty Packers in the playoffs.
If the Eagles had turned just one of those four disastrous trips inside the Green Bay 35-yard line that resulted in zero points into a touchdown, those 21 points the defense limited the Packers to would look pretty good.
This isn’t to absolve the defense. McDermott’s guys had plenty of chances to make plays that would have turned the game and didn’t. They didn’t get pressure when they had to get pressure, and they didn’t create turnovers when they needed to get turnovers. Most of all, they just couldn’t stop opposing QBs near the goal line.
We know all that. We also know you need players to make plays and for the most part, after injuries to Nate Allen and Graham and Ellis Hobbs and Stewart Bradley and Samuel and Brodrick Bunkley, they just didn’t have players.
The offense did. Plenty of ’em. Electrifying, explosive, record-setting players. And when it was time to produce, they failed.
Miserably.
How can a unit that has an MVP candidate at quarterback, a two-time Pro Bowl wide receiver, a 1,000-yard rusher, a near 1,000-yard No. 2 receiver and a Pro Bowl alternate tight end score 14 and 16 points in its two biggest games of the year and escape scrutiny while the other side of the ball – laden with rookies, undrafted free agents and emergency late-season pickups – gets blamed for everything?
Rodgers has started three playoff games in his career, putting up 45 points against the Cards, 48 points against the Falcons and 21 points against Keenan Clayton, Jamar Chaney, Kurt Coleman and Sean McDermott.
DeSean? He’s played in five postseason games and averaged 53 yards. He has 61 yards in the wild-card losses the last two years.
Shady? Just 115 yards on 22 touches and no big plays in his two playoff games.
Celek? Maclin? Vick? Jason Avant? Just not good enough.
This team was built to win now on offense while rebuilding on defense. The offense was supposed to carry the defense, not the other way around.
Looking back, it’s hard to imagine the defensive side of the ball doing anything more with what it had. Samuel and Cole were brilliant the first half of the season but non-factors later. Once their playmaking disappeared, there just wasn’t anything left. McDermott by the end of the season was just trying to field 11 healthy guys who knew where to line up – and sometimes he didn’t even have that.
And still the defense gave this team a chance to win. A very good chance.
But the offense couldn’t score 24 points at home in the two biggest games of the season. And their failings and the failings of one of the best kickers in NFL history ultimately cost McDermott his job and ended a season that just a few weeks ago had so much promise.
for the 'you have to run the ball' people i'd have to look it up but i'd be willing to bet that in those Aaron Rodgers playoff games they ran the ball more and threw the ball a lot less in the Eagles game than the other 3, thus leading to the less points. As i stated after the game the only reason the Packers didn't put up 40 or more on us because they ran the ball so many times. If they had thrown the ball 50 times they would have torched us. Reuban Frank is probably part of the moronic run the ball group too. can't have it both ways.
Michael Vick got Sean McDermott fired. DeSean Jackson got McDermott fired. Brent Celek, David Akers and Marty Mornhinweg all got McDermott fired, too.
Because if they had done their jobs, if they had held up their end of the bargain against the Vikings and Packers, the Eagles might still be playing football.
And McDermott might still have a job.
If anybody told you three weeks ago that McDermott’s undermanned defense – Jamar Chaney and Kurt Coleman and Dimitri Patterson and Keenan Clayton and Colt Anderson and Trevard Lindley and friends – would hold the Vikings to 17 points and the Packers to 21, you’d figure the Eagles would have themselves a couple huge wins.
You’d figure this record-setting offense could find its way to 24 points in its two biggest games of the year.
It didn’t. And the restructuring of the Eagles’ defensive staff is the result.
So as this is all happening, take a break from blasting the defense and don’t forget to blame the offense and the kicker as well.
This isn’t about whether the Eagles need reinforcements on defense. They obviously do. This isn’t about whether McDermott should have been fired. That decision’s been made, and both sides are moving on. This isn’t about whether this large class of rookie defensive players is going to pan out. Too early to make that judgment, and anybody who’s already decided that Brandon Graham is a bust and Daniel Te’o-Nesheim can’t play just has to calm down and wait and see.
This is about the offense. Which was virtually at full strength for the Vikings and Packers and still managed to put up 14 and 16 points – and give up seven – in the two biggest games of the year.
Yet all the criticism is being pointed at McDermott and his outgunned, outmanned, injury-riddled unit and not at a healthy, explosive, record-setting offense jammed with Pro Bowl players and superstars that couldn’t produce when it had to.
Let’s face it. By the end of the year, McDermott had nothing. The only two name players on his unit by the time the playoffs rolled around were Asante Samuel, who was hobbled, and Trent Cole, who just looked gassed.
Watching the Packers light up the top-seeded Falcons for 48 points Saturday, it was hard not to think how courageously the Eagles’ defense played against Aaron Rodgers – the top-ranked quarterback in NFL history – limiting that offense to just 21 points and keeping the Eagles in the game while the offense desperately tried to get in gear.
From Week 1 up through the second Giants game, the Eagles averaged 30 points a game. Keep that going for two more weeks, and the Eagles would have faced the Bears Sunday at Soldier Field for a spot in the NFC Championship Game.
Think about it.
If Vick doesn’t throw that inexcusable interception at the end of the Green Bay game, McDermott most likely still has a job.
If Celek doesn’t step out of bounds on the two-point conversion attempt, nobody’s complaining that the Eagles’ linebackers are too small or their defensive backs too young.
Heck, if Akers – one of the most reliable kickers in NFL history – makes a couple field goals, the defense has just slowed down one of the most high-powered offenses in the NFL and helped the Eagles beat the mighty Packers in the playoffs.
If the Eagles had turned just one of those four disastrous trips inside the Green Bay 35-yard line that resulted in zero points into a touchdown, those 21 points the defense limited the Packers to would look pretty good.
This isn’t to absolve the defense. McDermott’s guys had plenty of chances to make plays that would have turned the game and didn’t. They didn’t get pressure when they had to get pressure, and they didn’t create turnovers when they needed to get turnovers. Most of all, they just couldn’t stop opposing QBs near the goal line.
We know all that. We also know you need players to make plays and for the most part, after injuries to Nate Allen and Graham and Ellis Hobbs and Stewart Bradley and Samuel and Brodrick Bunkley, they just didn’t have players.
The offense did. Plenty of ’em. Electrifying, explosive, record-setting players. And when it was time to produce, they failed.
Miserably.
How can a unit that has an MVP candidate at quarterback, a two-time Pro Bowl wide receiver, a 1,000-yard rusher, a near 1,000-yard No. 2 receiver and a Pro Bowl alternate tight end score 14 and 16 points in its two biggest games of the year and escape scrutiny while the other side of the ball – laden with rookies, undrafted free agents and emergency late-season pickups – gets blamed for everything?
Rodgers has started three playoff games in his career, putting up 45 points against the Cards, 48 points against the Falcons and 21 points against Keenan Clayton, Jamar Chaney, Kurt Coleman and Sean McDermott.
DeSean? He’s played in five postseason games and averaged 53 yards. He has 61 yards in the wild-card losses the last two years.
Shady? Just 115 yards on 22 touches and no big plays in his two playoff games.
Celek? Maclin? Vick? Jason Avant? Just not good enough.
This team was built to win now on offense while rebuilding on defense. The offense was supposed to carry the defense, not the other way around.
Looking back, it’s hard to imagine the defensive side of the ball doing anything more with what it had. Samuel and Cole were brilliant the first half of the season but non-factors later. Once their playmaking disappeared, there just wasn’t anything left. McDermott by the end of the season was just trying to field 11 healthy guys who knew where to line up – and sometimes he didn’t even have that.
And still the defense gave this team a chance to win. A very good chance.
But the offense couldn’t score 24 points at home in the two biggest games of the season. And their failings and the failings of one of the best kickers in NFL history ultimately cost McDermott his job and ended a season that just a few weeks ago had so much promise.
for the 'you have to run the ball' people i'd have to look it up but i'd be willing to bet that in those Aaron Rodgers playoff games they ran the ball more and threw the ball a lot less in the Eagles game than the other 3, thus leading to the less points. As i stated after the game the only reason the Packers didn't put up 40 or more on us because they ran the ball so many times. If they had thrown the ball 50 times they would have torched us. Reuban Frank is probably part of the moronic run the ball group too. can't have it both ways.
you are misinformed.
frank is a typically pro-reid guy but he knows his football. just ask fixer as he's posted a few of his articles supporting his boy this year. that is actually part of the reason why i opted for a frank article today.
2 playoff games the packers won this year:
against us they ran the ball 29 times total (minus rogers' carries).
saturday they ran the ball 29 times total (minus rogers' carries.
the game they lost to the cardinals last year (score was 51-45, mind you. a shootout for the ages)
17 carries (still more than us last week )
like i said, everyone is a pass first team. but you have to have some semblance of balance....even when your qb, rogers, is playing like the best there ever was. the birds qb was struggle down the stretch and we still put the game on his shoulders for some reason.
Try and justify it all you want but it's absolutely ridiculous when you have a top RB and don't use him
It's just bad play calling/coaching
Especially when your QB is having an off game and you continue to throw the ball like an idiot
Steelers have the most SB's If you forgot..a running team
i was just commenting on the story posted by Jaegs. to say give McDermott credit for only holding the Packers to 21 points is insane. they only scored that because they ran the ball 40-some times. you don't score by running the football. the packers could have scored 40 on us if they chose to throw the ball 40-50 times.
Try and justify it all you want but it's absolutely ridiculous when you have a top RB and don't use him
It's just bad play calling/coaching
Especially when your QB is having an off game and you continue to throw the ball like an idiot
Steelers have the most SB's If you forgot..a running team
i was just commenting on the story posted by Jaegs. to say give McDermott credit for only holding the Packers to 21 points is insane. they only scored that because they ran the ball 40-some times. you don't score by running the football. the packers could have scored 40 on us if they chose to throw the ball 40-50 times.
you might want to read my reply to yours. you might learn something.
Try and justify it all you want but it's absolutely ridiculous when you have a top RB and don't use him
It's just bad play calling/coaching
Especially when your QB is having an off game and you continue to throw the ball like an idiot
Steelers have the most SB's If you forgot..a running team
i was just commenting on the story posted by Jaegs. to say give McDermott credit for only holding the Packers to 21 points is insane. they only scored that because they ran the ball 40-some times. you don't score by running the football. the packers could have scored 40 on us if they chose to throw the ball 40-50 times.
What about the other side of the ball and your Boy Reid's offense not performing ?
You're totally disregarding the other half of the article
The predictable offense and the "waiting for a big play" every game is not working in the playoffs
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Try and justify it all you want but it's absolutely ridiculous when you have a top RB and don't use him
It's just bad play calling/coaching
Especially when your QB is having an off game and you continue to throw the ball like an idiot
Steelers have the most SB's If you forgot..a running team
i was just commenting on the story posted by Jaegs. to say give McDermott credit for only holding the Packers to 21 points is insane. they only scored that because they ran the ball 40-some times. you don't score by running the football. the packers could have scored 40 on us if they chose to throw the ball 40-50 times.
What about the other side of the ball and your Boy Reid's offense not performing ?
You're totally disregarding the other half of the article
The predictable offense and the "waiting for a big play" every game is not working in the playoffs
the packers are one of the best defenses in the league, we had the ball on the 30 yard line (should have been the 15 after the non-call on celek hit) to win the game and our QB throw a horrible pass. and frankly one of the reasons our offense didn't perform was because McDermott's defense got its ass kicked and couldn't get he pack off the field. Not enough possessions for our offense. Offense could have been better but it wasn't the offense and play calling that cost them the game. Defense and special teams sucked worse than the offense.
i was just commenting on the story posted by Jaegs. to say give McDermott credit for only holding the Packers to 21 points is insane. they only scored that because they ran the ball 40-some times. you don't score by running the football. the packers could have scored 40 on us if they chose to throw the ball 40-50 times.
What about the other side of the ball and your Boy Reid's offense not performing ?
You're totally disregarding the other half of the article
The predictable offense and the "waiting for a big play" every game is not working in the playoffs
the packers are one of the best defenses in the league, we had the ball on the 30 yard line (should have been the 15 after the non-call on celek hit) to win the game and our QB throw a horrible pass. and frankly one of the reasons our offense didn't perform was because McDermott's defense got its ass kicked and couldn't get he pack off the field. Not enough possessions for our offense. Offense could have been better but it wasn't the offense and play calling that cost them the game. Defense and special teams sucked worse than the offense.
7 of our offense's 16 points came off a turnover forced by the defense on the packers 24 yard line. just sayin'...
there's no use in arguing with someone who won't accept the facts. just present them and move on i guess...
what facts are you referring to? i didn't realize that at a certain number of rushes you'd automatically win the game.
the facts that you asked about:
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for the 'you have to run the ball' people i'd have to look it up but i'd be willing to bet that in those Aaron Rodgers playoff games they ran the ball more and threw the ball a lot less in the Eagles game than the other 3, thus leading to the less points. As i stated after the game the only reason the Packers didn't put up 40 or more on us because they ran the ball so many times. If they had thrown the ball 50 times they would have torched us. Reuban Frank is probably part of the moronic run the ball group too. can't have it both ways.[/quote]
you are misinformed.
frank is a typically pro-reid guy but he knows his football. just ask fixer as he's posted a few of his articles supporting his boy this year. that is actually part of the reason why i opted for a frank article today.
2 playoff games the packers won this year:
against us they ran the ball 29 times total (minus rogers' carries).
saturday they ran the ball 29 times total (minus rogers' carries.
the game they lost to the cardinals last year (score was 51-45, mind you. a shootout for the ages)
17 carries (still more than us last week )
like i said, everyone is a pass first team. but you have to have some semblance of balance....even when your qb, rogers, is playing like the best there ever was. the birds qb was struggle down the stretch and we still put the game on his shoulders for some reason.[/quote]
7 of our offense's 16 points came off a turnover forced by the defense on the packers 24 yard line. just sayin'...
you know what you guys are right, the defense was fucking great and if we ran the ball up the middle 5 more fucking times for 8 yards we would have won the game.
7 of our offense's 16 points came off a turnover forced by the defense on the packers 24 yard line. just sayin'...
you know what you guys are right, the defense was fucking great and if we ran the ball up the middle 5 more fucking times for 8 yards we would have won the game.
Dude...we're just saying when the offense is not balanced it's a lot easier to defend and the way the offense has been run is not working
I heard in the GB game they were in a nickle defense inside the 5yd line against us...are you kidding me ?
To ignore that part of the offense is just plain stupid as a coach
They averaged 16 pts a game their last 3 games...the Dreaded Vikings D ? You have a corner blitzer for half the game getting free runs at your QB and they can't adjust ? WTF?
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Dude, Jeags, for all those stats, anything is a step-up on defense from this year.
The D was bad nobody is saying they weren't
But in the 2 games they needed to win this year they didn't play that bad
The offense was no better...but the Reid lover refuses to acknowledge Reid's offense is not working in the playoffs or in big reg season games
What are you talking about? The D should've gotten torched against GB if it wasn't for GB being self-defeating for most of that game. It's this simple - you need a good O-line to be a stellar offense. It wasn't there this year because - and I can't believe I'm saying this - they tried to address every other position with draft picks.
I'm not a Reid apologist, but people are miffed because this team played so high for most of the season then got bounced in the first round. If this was the equivalent of 2000 all over again(comparing to a year when rebuilding was hitting a time of a full fledge contender), I am fine with that. If the team was to make a change at head coach, fine, but I'm not going to say having Reid around is a bad thing. The dude keeps this team competitive every year. If you could guarantee me a Super Bowl with another coach, I'll take it. But ya can't, so that's all masturbation talk, and I'll take Reid over any coach in the league not named Belichick or Payton...and possibly Tomlin, though I still think he's overrated.
Dude, Jeags, for all those stats, anything is a step-up on defense from this year.
The D was bad nobody is saying they weren't
But in the 2 games they needed to win this year they didn't play that bad
The offense was no better...but the Reid lover refuses to acknowledge Reid's offense is not working in the playoffs or in big reg season games
What are you talking about? The D should've gotten torched against GB if it wasn't for GB being self-defeating for most of that game. It's this simple - you need a good O-line to be a stellar offense. It wasn't there this year because - and I can't believe I'm saying this - they tried to address every other position with draft picks.
I'm not a Reid apologist, but people are miffed because this team played so high for most of the season then got bounced in the first round. If this was the equivalent of 2000 all over again(comparing to a year when rebuilding was hitting a time of a full fledge contender), I am fine with that. If the team was to make a change at head coach, fine, but I'm not going to say having Reid around is a bad thing. The dude keeps this team competitive every year. If you could guarantee me a Super Bowl with another coach, I'll take it. But ya can't, so that's all masturbation talk, and I'll take Reid over any coach in the league not named Belichick or Payton...and possibly Tomlin, though I still think he's overrated.
The argument goes both ways my friend...guarantee me a SB win with Reid...you cant
I'm sick of being close and not winning..but you guys like making the playoffs every year and not winning
I think 12 years of the same mistakes and the same ending is enough of a sample size for me
His philosphy has to change on both sides of the ball...if not we're gonna be having this same discussion next year
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7 of our offense's 16 points came off a turnover forced by the defense on the packers 24 yard line. just sayin'...
you know what you guys are right, the defense was fucking great and if we ran the ball up the middle 5 more fucking times for 8 yards we would have won the game.
wow. totally not my point and not the point of the article you claim to have read.
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it is amazing that he already has a new job and nobody from the eagles has commented on his firing yet.
Call it Cliche-ish if you want but the Steelers have just as many SB rings as those teams combined
Who said a great running game ? I said the run the ball in general...you can't be that one dimensional and put all that pressure on the QB for that huge play all the time..obviously its not working.
This isn't the greatest show on turf. Even it that what did us in against the Rams that year ? They pounded Faulk down our throats in the 2nd half..Even dopey Mike Martz runs the ball more than Reid
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I'm a little surprised he was scooped up so fast
Their have plenty of horrible defenses over the years and for our D to be the worst in the Red Zone since '88 has to do with schemes and coaching some what
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well the coach is ron rivera, our old d line coach. apparently rivera is treating the defense like reid used to with our offense by calling plays and essentially running it his way. mcdermott is gonna be like what childress was for us on offense back in the day. seems like a good spot for him.
but the fact that he got scooped up so quickly, i think, reiterates my point that the issue this year was more injuries and average at best talent than anything else this year. if you think about it most people thought our defensve talent was bad back in august. i thought they were better than than. average, maybe, with a chance to get better. and then they just got someone hurt seemingly every week to the point where you end up starting two 7th round rookies, a career backup, and other late round/no round guys in the playoffs......yet they allowed 17 and 21 points in our two biggest games. they weren't the sole reason we lost those games.
that said--the redzone defense was atrocious and i think there probably was something to mcdermott's plays being too complicated at times where players just want to attack.
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49ers dc
’99…30th-pts….28th-yds
’00…28th-pts…29th-yds
’01…9th- pits…13th-yds
’02..18th-pts…14th-yds
’03…21st-pts…13th-yds
Falcons hc
’04…14th pts…14th-yds
’05…18th-pts…22nd-yds
’06…15th-pts…22nd-yds
Seahawks asst coach/secondary
’07…6th-pts…15th-yds
’08…25th-pts…30th-yds
’09…25th-pts…24th-yds
Billy Davis
49ers dc
’05…30th-pts…32nd-yds
’06…32nd-pts…26th-yds
Cardinals dc
’09…14th-pts…20th-yds
’10…30th-pts…29th-yds
i think jauron might be getting by on reputation somehow...mora seems to keep getting hired because of his name...and i have no idea why billy davis is even in the mix. those numbers are horrendous......billy davis? really?
kind of ironic that the reported front runner to replace mcderrmot is about to take the job that mcderrmott turned down :think:
here's to hoping they have other guys in mind other than jauron and billy davis....
edit- but of the two, obviously i would go with jauron just so you don't have to switch up the system during a work stoppage.
http://www.csnphilly.com/01/17/11/Birds ... feedID=704
Birds' offense could have saved McDermott his job
By Reuben Frank
CSNPhilly.com
Michael Vick got Sean McDermott fired. DeSean Jackson got McDermott fired. Brent Celek, David Akers and Marty Mornhinweg all got McDermott fired, too.
Because if they had done their jobs, if they had held up their end of the bargain against the Vikings and Packers, the Eagles might still be playing football.
And McDermott might still have a job.
If anybody told you three weeks ago that McDermott’s undermanned defense – Jamar Chaney and Kurt Coleman and Dimitri Patterson and Keenan Clayton and Colt Anderson and Trevard Lindley and friends – would hold the Vikings to 17 points and the Packers to 21, you’d figure the Eagles would have themselves a couple huge wins.
You’d figure this record-setting offense could find its way to 24 points in its two biggest games of the year.
It didn’t. And the restructuring of the Eagles’ defensive staff is the result.
So as this is all happening, take a break from blasting the defense and don’t forget to blame the offense and the kicker as well.
This isn’t about whether the Eagles need reinforcements on defense. They obviously do. This isn’t about whether McDermott should have been fired. That decision’s been made, and both sides are moving on. This isn’t about whether this large class of rookie defensive players is going to pan out. Too early to make that judgment, and anybody who’s already decided that Brandon Graham is a bust and Daniel Te’o-Nesheim can’t play just has to calm down and wait and see.
This is about the offense. Which was virtually at full strength for the Vikings and Packers and still managed to put up 14 and 16 points – and give up seven – in the two biggest games of the year.
Yet all the criticism is being pointed at McDermott and his outgunned, outmanned, injury-riddled unit and not at a healthy, explosive, record-setting offense jammed with Pro Bowl players and superstars that couldn’t produce when it had to.
Let’s face it. By the end of the year, McDermott had nothing. The only two name players on his unit by the time the playoffs rolled around were Asante Samuel, who was hobbled, and Trent Cole, who just looked gassed.
Watching the Packers light up the top-seeded Falcons for 48 points Saturday, it was hard not to think how courageously the Eagles’ defense played against Aaron Rodgers – the top-ranked quarterback in NFL history – limiting that offense to just 21 points and keeping the Eagles in the game while the offense desperately tried to get in gear.
From Week 1 up through the second Giants game, the Eagles averaged 30 points a game. Keep that going for two more weeks, and the Eagles would have faced the Bears Sunday at Soldier Field for a spot in the NFC Championship Game.
Think about it.
If Vick doesn’t throw that inexcusable interception at the end of the Green Bay game, McDermott most likely still has a job.
If Celek doesn’t step out of bounds on the two-point conversion attempt, nobody’s complaining that the Eagles’ linebackers are too small or their defensive backs too young.
Heck, if Akers – one of the most reliable kickers in NFL history – makes a couple field goals, the defense has just slowed down one of the most high-powered offenses in the NFL and helped the Eagles beat the mighty Packers in the playoffs.
If the Eagles had turned just one of those four disastrous trips inside the Green Bay 35-yard line that resulted in zero points into a touchdown, those 21 points the defense limited the Packers to would look pretty good.
This isn’t to absolve the defense. McDermott’s guys had plenty of chances to make plays that would have turned the game and didn’t. They didn’t get pressure when they had to get pressure, and they didn’t create turnovers when they needed to get turnovers. Most of all, they just couldn’t stop opposing QBs near the goal line.
We know all that. We also know you need players to make plays and for the most part, after injuries to Nate Allen and Graham and Ellis Hobbs and Stewart Bradley and Samuel and Brodrick Bunkley, they just didn’t have players.
The offense did. Plenty of ’em. Electrifying, explosive, record-setting players. And when it was time to produce, they failed.
Miserably.
How can a unit that has an MVP candidate at quarterback, a two-time Pro Bowl wide receiver, a 1,000-yard rusher, a near 1,000-yard No. 2 receiver and a Pro Bowl alternate tight end score 14 and 16 points in its two biggest games of the year and escape scrutiny while the other side of the ball – laden with rookies, undrafted free agents and emergency late-season pickups – gets blamed for everything?
Rodgers has started three playoff games in his career, putting up 45 points against the Cards, 48 points against the Falcons and 21 points against Keenan Clayton, Jamar Chaney, Kurt Coleman and Sean McDermott.
DeSean? He’s played in five postseason games and averaged 53 yards. He has 61 yards in the wild-card losses the last two years.
Shady? Just 115 yards on 22 touches and no big plays in his two playoff games.
Celek? Maclin? Vick? Jason Avant? Just not good enough.
This team was built to win now on offense while rebuilding on defense. The offense was supposed to carry the defense, not the other way around.
Looking back, it’s hard to imagine the defensive side of the ball doing anything more with what it had. Samuel and Cole were brilliant the first half of the season but non-factors later. Once their playmaking disappeared, there just wasn’t anything left. McDermott by the end of the season was just trying to field 11 healthy guys who knew where to line up – and sometimes he didn’t even have that.
And still the defense gave this team a chance to win. A very good chance.
But the offense couldn’t score 24 points at home in the two biggest games of the season. And their failings and the failings of one of the best kickers in NFL history ultimately cost McDermott his job and ended a season that just a few weeks ago had so much promise.
Can't really argue any of that
Reid can't fire himself
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for the 'you have to run the ball' people i'd have to look it up but i'd be willing to bet that in those Aaron Rodgers playoff games they ran the ball more and threw the ball a lot less in the Eagles game than the other 3, thus leading to the less points. As i stated after the game the only reason the Packers didn't put up 40 or more on us because they ran the ball so many times. If they had thrown the ball 50 times they would have torched us. Reuban Frank is probably part of the moronic run the ball group too. can't have it both ways.
It's just bad play calling/coaching
Especially when your QB is having an off game and you continue to throw the ball like an idiot
Steelers have the most SB's If you forgot..a running team
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you are misinformed.
frank is a typically pro-reid guy but he knows his football. just ask fixer as he's posted a few of his articles supporting his boy this year. that is actually part of the reason why i opted for a frank article today.
2 playoff games the packers won this year:
against us they ran the ball 29 times total (minus rogers' carries).
saturday they ran the ball 29 times total (minus rogers' carries.
the game they lost to the cardinals last year (score was 51-45, mind you. a shootout for the ages)
17 carries (still more than us last week
like i said, everyone is a pass first team. but you have to have some semblance of balance....even when your qb, rogers, is playing like the best there ever was. the birds qb was struggle down the stretch and we still put the game on his shoulders for some reason.
i was just commenting on the story posted by Jaegs. to say give McDermott credit for only holding the Packers to 21 points is insane. they only scored that because they ran the ball 40-some times. you don't score by running the football. the packers could have scored 40 on us if they chose to throw the ball 40-50 times.
he can't justify it when i'm here to point out the facts.
you might want to read my reply to yours. you might learn something.
What about the other side of the ball and your Boy Reid's offense not performing ?
You're totally disregarding the other half of the article
The predictable offense and the "waiting for a big play" every game is not working in the playoffs
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OMG
Is there an emoticon for banging my head against a wall
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there's no use in arguing with someone who won't accept the facts. just present them and move on i guess...
the packers are one of the best defenses in the league, we had the ball on the 30 yard line (should have been the 15 after the non-call on celek hit) to win the game and our QB throw a horrible pass. and frankly one of the reasons our offense didn't perform was because McDermott's defense got its ass kicked and couldn't get he pack off the field. Not enough possessions for our offense. Offense could have been better but it wasn't the offense and play calling that cost them the game. Defense and special teams sucked worse than the offense.
what facts are you referring to? i didn't realize that at a certain number of rushes you'd automatically win the game.
7 of our offense's 16 points came off a turnover forced by the defense on the packers 24 yard line. just sayin'...
the facts that you asked about:
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for the 'you have to run the ball' people i'd have to look it up but i'd be willing to bet that in those Aaron Rodgers playoff games they ran the ball more and threw the ball a lot less in the Eagles game than the other 3, thus leading to the less points. As i stated after the game the only reason the Packers didn't put up 40 or more on us because they ran the ball so many times. If they had thrown the ball 50 times they would have torched us. Reuban Frank is probably part of the moronic run the ball group too. can't have it both ways.[/quote]
you are misinformed.
frank is a typically pro-reid guy but he knows his football. just ask fixer as he's posted a few of his articles supporting his boy this year. that is actually part of the reason why i opted for a frank article today.
2 playoff games the packers won this year:
against us they ran the ball 29 times total (minus rogers' carries).
saturday they ran the ball 29 times total (minus rogers' carries.
the game they lost to the cardinals last year (score was 51-45, mind you. a shootout for the ages)
17 carries (still more than us last week
like i said, everyone is a pass first team. but you have to have some semblance of balance....even when your qb, rogers, is playing like the best there ever was. the birds qb was struggle down the stretch and we still put the game on his shoulders for some reason.[/quote]
you know what you guys are right, the defense was fucking great and if we ran the ball up the middle 5 more fucking times for 8 yards we would have won the game.
Dude...we're just saying when the offense is not balanced it's a lot easier to defend and the way the offense has been run is not working
I heard in the GB game they were in a nickle defense inside the 5yd line against us...are you kidding me ?
To ignore that part of the offense is just plain stupid as a coach
They averaged 16 pts a game their last 3 games...the Dreaded Vikings D ? You have a corner blitzer for half the game getting free runs at your QB and they can't adjust ? WTF?
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The D was bad nobody is saying they weren't
But in the 2 games they needed to win this year they didn't play that bad
The offense was no better...but the Reid lover refuses to acknowledge Reid's offense is not working in the playoffs or in big reg season games
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bring back ray rhodes and ty detmer. i so want to be 4-12 again,. but hey ray ran the ball so all was good
What are you talking about? The D should've gotten torched against GB if it wasn't for GB being self-defeating for most of that game. It's this simple - you need a good O-line to be a stellar offense. It wasn't there this year because - and I can't believe I'm saying this - they tried to address every other position with draft picks.
I'm not a Reid apologist, but people are miffed because this team played so high for most of the season then got bounced in the first round. If this was the equivalent of 2000 all over again(comparing to a year when rebuilding was hitting a time of a full fledge contender), I am fine with that. If the team was to make a change at head coach, fine, but I'm not going to say having Reid around is a bad thing. The dude keeps this team competitive every year. If you could guarantee me a Super Bowl with another coach, I'll take it. But ya can't, so that's all masturbation talk, and I'll take Reid over any coach in the league not named Belichick or Payton...and possibly Tomlin, though I still think he's overrated.
The argument goes both ways my friend...guarantee me a SB win with Reid...you cant
I'm sick of being close and not winning..but you guys like making the playoffs every year and not winning
I think 12 years of the same mistakes and the same ending is enough of a sample size for me
His philosphy has to change on both sides of the ball...if not we're gonna be having this same discussion next year
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4-12...we didnt have a SB win....13-3 we didn't win the SB either
But hey...we make the playoffs every year and continue to lose the same way
Why change anything ? .500 Coach in the playoffs...has lost numerous playoff games as a favorite..but hey..we make the playoffs every year
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wow. totally not my point and not the point of the article you claim to have read.
your reading comprehension skills are lacking.