THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES...

cowboypjfan

Looks like Andre Johnson will be playing Thurs. night...


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-johnson/

BinauralJam

BinauralJam wrote:
I think we exposed how to beat Vick.

Jeagler wrote:
force him to his right :shh: :shh: :shh:

I didn't tell anybody.

The Juggler

BinauralJam wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:
I think we exposed how to beat Vick.

Jeagler wrote:
force him to his right :shh: :shh: :shh:

I didn't tell anybody.

damn it. you think lovie smith reads this board?

still in a game where he got "beat" he still ended up with a 94% qb rating.

Wobbie

OK.....I can't read all this shit, but.....

I don't like the bears. but bill simmons made a pretty salient point on PTI last week. one big reason the bears get no respect is that they don't have a lot of fantasy guys. but they can still be a decent team, right? :?

The Juggler

imalive wrote:

OK.....I can't read all this shit, but.....

I don't like the bears. but bill simmons made a pretty salient point on PTI last week. one big reason the bears get no respect is that they don't have a lot of fantasy guys. but they can still be a decent team, right? :?

makes sense. a lot of people do not like cutler either.

i said this in the bears thread---as long the offense can find a way to put 17 on the board, that defense will win them a lot of games.

booomm11

I wouldn't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I'm not worried at all...

Phantom Pain

booomm11 wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I'm not worried at all...

BooooooooooooMMMMMMMMMMMM !!

Where you be hiding ??

pjhawks

The Jeagler wrote:

imalive wrote:

OK.....I can't read all this shit, but.....

I don't like the bears. but bill simmons made a pretty salient point on PTI last week. one big reason the bears get no respect is that they don't have a lot of fantasy guys. but they can still be a decent team, right? :?

makes sense. a lot of people do not like cutler either.

i said this in the bears thread---as long the offense can find a way to put 17 on the board, that defense will win them a lot of games.

would love a rematch with the Bears in the playoffs. Chances of Cutler and their offense doing that to us against us are almost zero. Right place right time for the Bears to beat us last week.

As for this week don't have a problem with Johnson not being suspended for the Eagles game but how can you justify his fine being $15,000 (and originally half before Reid had Samuel's cut down) LESS than Samuel's? I would think fighting and punching a guy multiple times would be worse than actually making a play during the game. NFL is so screwed up right now.

booomm11

Phantom Pain wrote:

booomm11 wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I'm not worried at all...

BooooooooooooMMMMMMMMMMMM !!

Where you be hiding ??

Gettin paper, chasin ho's playa

I went to back to school last spring and just been really busy since dude.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

imalive wrote:

OK.....I can't read all this shit, but.....

I don't like the bears. but bill simmons made a pretty salient point on PTI last week. one big reason the bears get no respect is that they don't have a lot of fantasy guys. but they can still be a decent team, right? :?

makes sense. a lot of people do not like cutler either.

i said this in the bears thread---as long the offense can find a way to put 17 on the board, that defense will win them a lot of games.

would love a rematch with the Bears in the playoffs. Chances of Cutler and their offense doing that to us against us are almost zero. Right place right time for the Bears to beat us last week.

As for this week don't have a problem with Johnson not being suspended for the Eagles game but how can you justify his fine being $15,000 (and originally half before Reid had Samuel's cut down) LESS than Samuel's? I would think fighting and punching a guy multiple times would be worse than actually making a play during the game. NFL is so screwed up right now.

most likely we're gonna have to win the division now to get to that point.

i think we beat the texans. reid's teams always have a game like this and then go on a streak to end the season. i see this like the thanksgiving game back in '08 after the ravens debacle.

hopefully samuel plays.

Phantom Pain

booomm11 wrote:

Phantom Pain wrote:

booomm11 wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I'm not worried at all...

BooooooooooooMMMMMMMMMMMM !!

Where you be hiding ??

Gettin paper, chasin ho's playa

I went to back to school last spring and just been really busy since dude.

HaHa! Nice

Don't be a stranger around these parts

You miss all the Chaos !

:P

Johnny Abruzzo

I love how every Philly sports thread is a raging argument. If a mod wanted to read through these, they would surely lock them.

That was a crappy loss. Can't believe how important Samuel was to the defense. D-Patterson looked completely lost for first 3 quarters.

We'll rebound. Houston sucks. 3 of the last 5 against teams from Texas - weird. Now I just hope 94 syncs with verizon cable, because if I have to listen to Joe Theismann for 3 hours I'm going to stab my eardrums with an icepick.

The Juggler

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I love how every Philly sports thread is a raging argument. If a mod wanted to read through these, they would surely lock them.

That was a crappy loss. Can't believe how important Samuel was to the defense. D-Patterson looked completely lost for first 3 quarters.

We'll rebound. Houston sucks. 3 of the last 5 against teams from Texas - weird. Now I just hope 94 syncs with verizon cable, because if I have to listen to Joe Theismann for 3 hours I'm going to stab my eardrums with an icepick.

check the '09 thread. mods do check sports threads every once in a blue moon :evil:

kat and sea are the best mods ever though! :thumbup: :wave:

The Juggler

BinauralJam wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:
I think we exposed how to beat Vick.

Jeagler wrote:
force him to his right :shh: :shh: :shh:

I didn't tell anybody.

football outsiders is awesome. birds offense/vick have got to adjust:

How to shut down Michael Vick
Forcing the Eagles QB to his right and to throw underneath is plan for success

By Vince Verhei
Football Outsiders

Michael VickDennis Wierzbicki/US PresswireThe Chicago Bears did a great job of slowing down Michael Vick on Sunday.

After his 412-yard, six-touchdown performance against the Washington Redskins on Monday Night Football, Michael Vick looked like he was ready to lead the Philadelphia Eagles to the Super Bowl. A week later against the Giants, Vick looked much more ordinary, and on Sunday the Chicago Bears showed that Vick was not unbeatable after all, defeating the Eagles 31-26 and rearranging the NFC playoff picture. Both teams used similar tactics to contain Vick, but the Bears used one key strategy to defeat him.

When the left-handed Vick scrambles to his left, he's looking to throw, but when he moves to the right, he usually runs. Vick has thrown 43 percent of his passes to the left side of the field this season. Of the 38 quarterbacks with at least 100 pass attempts this season, only Seattle's Matt Hasselbeck has thrown to the left more often. Vick has gone to the right only 30 percent of the time, less often than anyone except his former backup, Matt Schaub. The 13 percent difference between the two makes Vick the league's most "left-handed" passer. Dallas' Jon Kitna is next at 10 percent, and nobody else is higher than 6 percent. (Ironically, Vick's backup Kevin Kolb is the second-most right-handed quarterback in the league.)

The best way to stop Vick from going to his left is to throw a big, angry pass rusher at him from the defense's right side. The Bears have one of the best right ends in the league in Julius Peppers, while the Giants have two elite ends in Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora. Peppers' half-dozen sacks may not look impressive, but he leads the league with 13 quarterback hits after the pass. His 19 combined quarterback knockdowns rank fourth in the NFL; Tuck and Umenyiora are both in the top 20. Before Vick played the Giants and Bears, Vick's "left-handed" score was at 17 percent; in the past two weeks, he's been almost balanced at 6 percent.

Having taken away the left side of the field, the next step to stopping Vick is to take away the deep ball. He has been successful on 53 percent of his passes that go at least 15 yards past the line of scrimmage, the fourth-highest rate in the league, which makes Vick one of nine quarterbacks more likely to gain successful yardage throwing deep than he is throwing short.

That means it's important to get a pass rush with your front four (and, for 3-4 teams, outside linebackers), leaving inside linebackers and safeties deep to cover receivers. The Giants have gotten 91 percent of their sacks from their normal pass rushers this season, the seventh-highest rate in football; the Bears are just outside the top 10 at 87 percent. Although neither team stopped Vick on deep passes, they both contained him. Vick's Success Rate on deep throws the past two weeks has barely dipped, from 55 percent to 50 percent. However, the damage from those deep throws has been controlled -- they've averaged 25.4 yards per completion, down from the 37.3 Vick averaged before that.

With those areas of field covered, only two areas of the field remain available to attack: the short middle and the short right. The Giants took away the middle, allowing only two passes there and 10 to the short right. Vick burned them, completing nine of those short right passes for 69 yards. The Giants overlooked one crucial detail: While Vick rarely throws short to the right, when he does, he gains successful yardage 50 percent of the time, a rate that ranks 14th in the league.

The Bears, on the other hand, exposed their soft underbelly, allowing Vick to throw to the short middle 16 times, and that was wise strategy. The short middle of the field is the one area where Vick has struggled this season. His 44 percent Success Rate there this year is sixth-worst in football -- and that includes his 10 successes against the Bears, who were protecting a two-score lead for most of the second half and were happy to give up short gains that ate up clock. Take out Sunday's contest, and Vick's Success Rate on short-middle passes sinks to 35 percent. That would tie another running quarterback, Vince Young, for the worst such rate in football.

And that is how you beat Vick: get pressure in his face from his left, take away the left side of the field and deeper zones and make him consistently hit short passes in the middle of the field. The Giants and Bears followed this plan and proved that even in this year, the best of his career, it's possible to slow Michael Vick.

booomm11

you'll see me around!

It's crazy Andre Johnson didn't get suspended...

The Juggler

let's hope asante is back tomorrow night...though i am not overly optimistic.

the two games our secondary got torched were the two games he was out. that is no coincidence.

lot of points will be on the board tomorrow night....

Phantom Pain

The Jeagler wrote:

let's hope asante is back tomorrow night...though i am not overly optimistic.

the two games our secondary got torched were the two games he was out. that is no coincidence.

lot of points will be on the board tomorrow night....

Parker is out

35-28 Birds

I think Asante misses this game also

The Juggler

Phantom Pain wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

let's hope asante is back tomorrow night...though i am not overly optimistic.

the two games our secondary got torched were the two games he was out. that is no coincidence.

lot of points will be on the board tomorrow night....

Parker is out

35-28 Birds

I think Asante misses this game also

yeah....i'm thinking somewhere in the 30's for both teams.

this is an absolute must win because i think the last 4 will be difficult. it's tough to sweep the giants 2 years in a row....dallas is playing better and always matches up well with us. the vikings defense is still decent.

a win here followed by a 10 day layoff to rest up for the stretch run will be lovely.

FenwayFaithful

Vick&Co. are gonna rip up the Texans tomorrow night. I want to see that swagger back.

The Fixer

Horos wrote:

Funny listening to you guys argue about Reid.

How many championships has he brought to Philly?

You only have to read a couple of Fixers posts to realize she really knows nothing about football. As a matter of fact it sounds like it's probably her 10 yo daughter making the posts.

please dude. bring something more than that. if you disagree with me that's fine...at least have the balls to say why you disagree.