The idea of God gives people comfort. It also gives people resolution that its all in "someone else's" hands, and allows them to be ok with a lack of control. And it makes people a little less fearful at the time they die, hoping that there's something afterwards other than nothingness.
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How a person gains their morality is argueable at best... but on the other side of the coin, not much in any religious text has led me to believe that's moral either. In the Koran, Bible and other religious texts, god is a vengeful, spiteful figure which we as humans, wouldn't want to emmulate.
How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.
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How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.
Morality is different from culture to culture. Which culture's morality are you referring to? Or are you referring to human-morality, with all it's differences with the human species?
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How a person gains their morality is argueable at best... but on the other side of the coin, not much in any religious text has led me to believe that's moral either. In the Koran, Bible and other religious texts, god is a vengeful, spiteful figure which we as humans, wouldn't want to emmulate.
How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.
You could say that peoples morals are differnent. For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.
So if we all deep down have those morals in us the perscription has to have a perscriber.
We've already established that if God does or doesnt exist he is unlike us. Not understandable by us. Just like the ape able to chew the skin off the golf ball. Different
Morality is the justification for many wars, and even glorifies some of them. Morality has been behind the burning of "witches" who didn't fit into the Puritanical society. Morality is why women in the middle east are legally beaten for not covering up an arm or their face. Morality is why homosexuals don't have the same rights as everyone. Behind most every crime committed by a group or by a government, you will find your santimonious morality. "Moralic Acid" if you will...
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How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.
Morality is different from culture to culture. Which culture's morality are you referring to? Or are you referring to human-morality, with all it's differences with the human species?
They differ but have a general base. Ya the whole have nine wives feels good but if another man tries to take one of yours or God poof changes a man into a woman and hes made to live by those standards it will to that person feel wrong.
That ingrained feeling of right and wrong is what I'm refering to.
The morality of WRONG is what those wars were faught over. Who is the father of wrong and who is the Father of right?
For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.
I think you're confusing what you believe is universal "morals" for what all animals and humans have - an aversion to something painful. Most humans and some animals are smart enough to know that: Man running at me with knife = pain.
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For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.
I think you're confusing what you believe is universal "morals" for what all animals and humans have - an aversion to something painful. Most humans and some animals are smart enough to know that: Man running at me with knife = pain.
don't forget the masochist animals. It's inclusion, baby.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
I can look at things we create and know that something created it. I dont know who but I know someone did. I logically know that just because I cant see the guy who did, he still exists.[/quote]
Then someone or something must have created God, right? No, wait, I meant everything else but God.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.
I think you're confusing what you believe is universal "morals" for what all animals and humans have - an aversion to something painful. Most humans and some animals are smart enough to know that: Man running at me with knife = pain.
For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.
Lying isnt painful. Here a recent scientific study "Misbehavior by scientists is more prevalent than you might think. A survey conducted by University of Minnesota researchers found that 33% of scientists admitted to engaging in some kind of research misbehavior, including more than 20% of mid-career scientists who admitted to “changing the design, methodology or results of a study in response to pressure from a funding source.” Think of how many more have done this but refuse to admit it!"
Scientists look for causes, and logically, there are only two possible types of causes—intelligent causes or non-intelligent causes (i.e. natural causes). A natural cause can explain a geologic wonder like the Grand Canyon, but only an intelligent cause can explain a geologic wonder like the faces of the presidents on Mount Rushmore. Likewise, natural laws can explain why ink adheres to the paper in a book, but only an intelligent cause can explain the information in that book. DNA is an intelligent language. Who wrote it Dr. Random Chance?
I can look at things we create and know that something created it. I dont know who but I know someone did. I logically know that just because I cant see the guy who did, he still exists.[/quote]
Then someone or something must have created God, right? No, wait, I meant everything else but God.
Maybe, since we are the life under the microscope who are we to ask. What created the energy that sparked the big bang?
I work with baboons and they dont ask me where the food comes from they just accept it and eat it.
The idea of God gives people comfort. It also gives people resolution that its all in "someone else's" hands, and allows them to be ok with a lack of control. And it makes people a little less fearful at the time they die, hoping that there's something afterwards other than nothingness.
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That is probably why Man created God in his image. Remember, these men who crafted these early stories which made their way into the Bible and other Holy Texts didn't have a clue what the stars were... why the Sun traveled its path each day... how ocean waves worked. It MUST be something else. They, probably couldn't understand the weather any better than my cat... so, when it rained and flooded their fields... it HAD to be someone dong this... someone who is powerful and who is pissed at us.
And I think that faith and hope are positive human traits. If the belief comforts them... that's good. One of the things that sets us apart from the other living things is that we learn... at a relatively early age... that we will eventually die. And no one has ever come back from the dead to tell us what's out there or what isn't.
NOTE: I'm not talking about someone whose heart stopped and was restarted with a defibulator... or someone in a coma for 20 years who suddenly snapped out of it. I'm talking dead... for days... crossed over... been to Heaven... talked to God... then, came back to tell us.
All we know is we will die. Death is a passage... a passage to a different level of consciousness or a passage into a void. We just don't know.
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How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.
To me it would be unscientific to rule out the variable of the God factor.
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Morality does not fall under the realm of Science. Morality is argued in Psychology and Philosophy.
This is why 'Intelligent Design' is not a science. it is as much a science as Astrology.
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DNA is an intelligent language. Who wrote it Dr. Random Chance?
Life's "language" (it is believed by secular, non-partisan scientists) started off as one-celled creatures that appeared about 3 billion years ago. It eventually evolved from single celled organisms into multicellular organisms. It then (over significant years) evolved into creatures with DNA.
Author: Evolution (aka nature's trial-and-error)
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They differ but have a general base. Ya the whole have nine wives feels good but if another man tries to take one of yours or God poof changes a man into a woman and hes made to live by those standards it will to that person feel wrong.
That ingrained feeling of right and wrong is what I'm refering to.
The morality of WRONG is what those wars were faught over. Who is the father of wrong and who is the Father of right?
Wrong... according to who?
Al Qaeda can argue that they are fighting the evils of Western Imperialistic expansion that sucks up the resources from under their homeland and pays it to corrupt Monarchs or governemnts, leaving the people who live there in poverty. That Western Civilization worships Dollah, not Allah... sexual deviation... corrupt, decadent and away from the light of God. The United States is the modern day Rome... the modern day Goliath that needs to be taken down before it spreads its decadence to everyone.
Is their point right or wrong?
Answer: I depends on where you sit.
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The one who said "Baboons don't have souls". That said baboons have "no emotion". That said "they show no levels of pain when they are hurt". That "a dog whines when they are hurt but its a simplistic reaction to a cause".
...sorry. I thought I had a chance to have an intelligent conversation with you. Your take on animals and that they are just mindless machines has convinced me otherwise.
This is not morality. This is: In some countries, female genitile mutilation is accepted and others it is not. Now, are we to believe a god/creator somehow told one group in one area that this practice is ok, compared the opposite in another? Or how about specific things like rights/freedoms? Why is it so many religious people say these or their morals come from god, yet everyone has a different meaning and definition on what they specifically mean or include? Doesn't add up in the end and is just another fact that god does not exist or even at best case scenario, did a very poor job.
You could say that peoples morals are differnent. For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.
So if we all deep down have those morals in us the perscription has to have a perscriber.
We've already established that if God does or doesnt exist he is unlike us. Not understandable by us. Just like the ape able to chew the skin off the golf ball. Different
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I can look at things we create and know that something created it. I dont know who but I know someone did. I logically know that just because I cant see the guy who did, he still exists.[/quote]
Then someone or something must have created God, right? No, wait, I meant everything else but God.
Maybe, since we are the life under the microscope who are we to ask. What created the energy that sparked the big bang?
I work with baboons and they dont ask me where the food comes from they just accept it and eat it.
What created the energy that sparked God? Any attempt in proving the existence God based on reasoning and logic is defeated by the same line of thinking.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
How can any idiot believe in god (I can't even begin the word in a capital letter!)?! There is just WAY too much to go against the idea of god. Come on people, wake up!
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Humans share the same evolutionary branch as the apes... in fact, we can classify ourselves as the greatest of the great apes..
Highly speculative. Science is great. Do you actually follow it? What i mean is, do you keep up. Do you look at all theories or do you cherrypick and regurgitate speculative hypothesis and call it fact? Last year's discovery of Ardipithicus Ramidus, once again has Darwinian biologists scratching their collective head. A biped that predates strict quadripeds (knucklewalkers) by approximayely a million and a half years. It doesn't fit the hypothesized line. You know, that one you always see on t-shirts and shit. It fucks it all up.
"But human DNA and chimpanzee DNA are 98% similar." So. Actually, when certain things are considered (i'm not a scientist and can't adequately explain it) it factors to more like 90%, but i'll not argue.
What i think is funny is that Human DNA is 35% similar to that of a daffodil. i guess humans are more than one third daffodil.
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Matthew 17:20- If you have faith as small as a mustard seed...NOTHING will be impossible for you.
From Webster's: Faith-firm belief in something for which there is no proof.
Someone asked a little further up the thread if we have solved this, or come to a conclusion etc.
This is an argument that will NEVER EVER EVER be solved. You either have faith or you don't. The argument of "PROOF" just doesn't apply to matters of faith. Those with faith do not need proof that their God exists. We believe in our hearts because of our faith.
For you on the other side of the divide here, you can come back with Kristy, you can't feel it, you can't see it, you cannot hold it in your hands... GOD DOES NOT EXIST. And I will respond, yes, but I have FAITH that he does... We can do this dance for pages and pages on this thread (we are 20+ pages and counting).
Now why do people have faith or not is what should really be discussed. How did you get to the point where you said I have faith or I don't. Some derogatory remarks get tossed at people with faith (I think this thread alone Ive been called an idiot, a moron, stupid, etc.), and that is such a shame because I have a powerful story of why I have faith as Im sure many of you have a powerful story of why you dont.
Faith you either have it or you don't and evidence isnt necessary for the faithful.
Matthew 17:20- If you have faith as small as a mustard seed...NOTHING will be impossible for you.
So, if someone has faith in Buddah, nothing will be impossible for that person. Correct?
Well, clearly that is a quote from the Bible and I use it to apply to my faith. The verses surrounding that one are about not having faith in God and I find it encouraging that even a tiny bit goes a long way.
I would assume that people who have FAITH in their God (Buddha, Mohammad, or Goddess and so on) have faith for a reason and I would hope that their faith lets them live lives where they feel they can accomplish great things with that faith in their heart.
Matthew 17:20- If you have faith as small as a mustard seed...NOTHING will be impossible for you.
So, if someone has faith in Buddah, nothing will be impossible for that person. Correct?
Well, clearly that is a quote from the Bible and I use it to apply to my faith. The verses surrounding that one are about not having faith in God and I find it encouraging that even a tiny bit goes a long way.
I would assume that people who have FAITH in their God (Buddha, Mohammad, or Goddess and so on) have faith for a reason and I would hope that their faith lets them live lives where they feel they can accomplish great things with that faith in their heart.
Ok. Then for a Christian, who has faith, nothing will be impossible for that person. Is that correct?
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Wrong... according to who?
Al Qaeda can argue that they are fighting the evils of Western Imperialistic expansion that sucks up the resources from under their homeland and pays it to corrupt Monarchs or governemnts, leaving the people who live there in poverty. That Western Civilization worships Dollah, not Allah... sexual deviation... corrupt, decadent and away from the light of God. The United States is the modern day Rome... the modern day Goliath that needs to be taken down before it spreads its decadence to everyone.
Is their point right or wrong?
Answer: I depends on where you sit.
I agree with you on that I think the book of Revelation chapter 18 prophecy clearly descibes the USA as the great city of Babylon. We will fall and burn to the ground. Politics is the worst religion on the planet. We have led the world and they have drank from our cup becoming drunk on wantoness. I put my faith in one Man.
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Humans share the same evolutionary branch as the apes... in fact, we can classify ourselves as the greatest of the great apes..
Highly speculative. Science is great. Do you actually follow it? What i mean is, do you keep up. Do you look at all theories or do you cherrypick and regurgitate speculative hypothesis and call it fact? Last year's discovery of Ardipithicus Ramidus, once again has Darwinian biologists scratching their collective head. A biped that predates strict quadripeds (knucklewalkers) by approximayely a million and a half years. It doesn't fit the hypothesized line. You know, that one you always see on t-shirts and shit. It fucks it all up.
"But human DNA and chimpanzee DNA are 98% similar." So. Actually, when certain things are considered (i'm not a scientist and can't adequately explain it) it factors to more like 90%, but i'll not argue.
What i think is funny is that Human DNA is 35% similar to that of a daffodil. i guess humans are more than one third daffodil.
Ironicly we also share the hearts of pigs. Never really knowing our true nature of wallowing in the mire.
This is not morality. This is: In some countries, female genitile mutilation is accepted and others it is not. Now, are we to believe a god/creator somehow told one group in one area that this practice is ok, compared the opposite in another? Or how about specific things like rights/freedoms? Why is it so many religious people say these or their morals come from god, yet everyone has a different meaning and definition on what they specifically mean or include? Doesn't add up in the end and is just another fact that god does not exist or even at best case scenario, did a very poor job.
You could say that peoples morals are differnent. For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.
So if we all deep down have those morals in us the perscription has to have a perscriber.
We've already established that if God does or doesnt exist he is unlike us. Not understandable by us. Just like the ape able to chew the skin off the golf ball. Different
I guarantee that if it was mutilation toward the man, that man would say wait this is wrong. That ingrainment only truely surfaces when whatever is at question is afflicted toward us personally. I'm asking where that comes from? Sure a whole controlling male population could think its right to do that but someone there being afflicted thinks its wrong.
The one who said "Baboons don't have souls". That said baboons have "no emotion". That said "they show no levels of pain when they are hurt". That "a dog whines when they are hurt but its a simplistic reaction to a cause".
...sorry. I thought I had a chance to have an intelligent conversation with you. Your take on animals and that they are just mindless machines has convinced me otherwise.
First of all animals that are tested in research facilities arent just pulled from the wild. They are specifically bread for the purpose of testing.
...so, why would a baboon question where it comes from, when it's always just arrived?
You can pick and choose quotes from completely different arguments all you want. So the same reason one in the wild doesnt question where it comes from because it was always there. They cant think higher then the level they were made to think. We are similar to them in a lot of ways, mainly selfishness and instictual survivability. In the same way we euthanise these animals after conducting experiments to futher the human race's survivability they would infact, if to survive, kill you. The difference between them and I is I feel bad about it, they dont. This is a completely different arguement but yes I am that and yet I have no knowledge of science. I assure you after spending more hours of my life then I'd like to think about animals other than humans infact have no soul or basis of morality. I didnt evolve from them I was created different.
Maybe if people were able to spend a little time around these animals and not just take scientist word for everything, by scientist I mean men who get funding and flaw experiments to keep the funding coming, people would realize and not just take scientist word for it. You are puting your faith in mens theory by believing evolution, I am puting my faith in the Man who said he was the only Truth from God. So we are similar, but different.
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To me it would be unscientific to rule out the variable of the God factor.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Morality is different from culture to culture. Which culture's morality are you referring to? Or are you referring to human-morality, with all it's differences with the human species?
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You could say that peoples morals are differnent. For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.
So if we all deep down have those morals in us the perscription has to have a perscriber.
We've already established that if God does or doesnt exist he is unlike us. Not understandable by us. Just like the ape able to chew the skin off the golf ball. Different
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They differ but have a general base. Ya the whole have nine wives feels good but if another man tries to take one of yours or God poof changes a man into a woman and hes made to live by those standards it will to that person feel wrong.
That ingrained feeling of right and wrong is what I'm refering to.
The morality of WRONG is what those wars were faught over. Who is the father of wrong and who is the Father of right?
I think you're confusing what you believe is universal "morals" for what all animals and humans have - an aversion to something painful. Most humans and some animals are smart enough to know that: Man running at me with knife = pain.
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don't forget the masochist animals. It's inclusion, baby.
I can look at things we create and know that something created it. I dont know who but I know someone did. I logically know that just because I cant see the guy who did, he still exists.[/quote]
Then someone or something must have created God, right? No, wait, I meant everything else but God.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Lying isnt painful. Here a recent scientific study "Misbehavior by scientists is more prevalent than you might think. A survey conducted by University of Minnesota researchers found that 33% of scientists admitted to engaging in some kind of research misbehavior, including more than 20% of mid-career scientists who admitted to “changing the design, methodology or results of a study in response to pressure from a funding source.” Think of how many more have done this but refuse to admit it!"
Scientists look for causes, and logically, there are only two possible types of causes—intelligent causes or non-intelligent causes (i.e. natural causes). A natural cause can explain a geologic wonder like the Grand Canyon, but only an intelligent cause can explain a geologic wonder like the faces of the presidents on Mount Rushmore. Likewise, natural laws can explain why ink adheres to the paper in a book, but only an intelligent cause can explain the information in that book. DNA is an intelligent language. Who wrote it Dr. Random Chance?
Maybe, since we are the life under the microscope who are we to ask. What created the energy that sparked the big bang?
I work with baboons and they dont ask me where the food comes from they just accept it and eat it.
That is probably why Man created God in his image. Remember, these men who crafted these early stories which made their way into the Bible and other Holy Texts didn't have a clue what the stars were... why the Sun traveled its path each day... how ocean waves worked. It MUST be something else. They, probably couldn't understand the weather any better than my cat... so, when it rained and flooded their fields... it HAD to be someone dong this... someone who is powerful and who is pissed at us.
And I think that faith and hope are positive human traits. If the belief comforts them... that's good. One of the things that sets us apart from the other living things is that we learn... at a relatively early age... that we will eventually die. And no one has ever come back from the dead to tell us what's out there or what isn't.
NOTE: I'm not talking about someone whose heart stopped and was restarted with a defibulator... or someone in a coma for 20 years who suddenly snapped out of it. I'm talking dead... for days... crossed over... been to Heaven... talked to God... then, came back to tell us.
All we know is we will die. Death is a passage... a passage to a different level of consciousness or a passage into a void. We just don't know.
Hail, Hail!!!
Morality does not fall under the realm of Science. Morality is argued in Psychology and Philosophy.
This is why 'Intelligent Design' is not a science. it is as much a science as Astrology.
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Life's "language" (it is believed by secular, non-partisan scientists) started off as one-celled creatures that appeared about 3 billion years ago. It eventually evolved from single celled organisms into multicellular organisms. It then (over significant years) evolved into creatures with DNA.
Author: Evolution (aka nature's trial-and-error)
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Al Qaeda can argue that they are fighting the evils of Western Imperialistic expansion that sucks up the resources from under their homeland and pays it to corrupt Monarchs or governemnts, leaving the people who live there in poverty. That Western Civilization worships Dollah, not Allah... sexual deviation... corrupt, decadent and away from the light of God. The United States is the modern day Rome... the modern day Goliath that needs to be taken down before it spreads its decadence to everyone.
Is their point right or wrong?
Answer: I depends on where you sit.
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Oh, crap.
You're the "I work with baboons" guy.
The same one from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=120314&p=2724959&hilit=baboons#p2724959
The one who said "Baboons don't have souls". That said baboons have "no emotion". That said "they show no levels of pain when they are hurt". That "a dog whines when they are hurt but its a simplistic reaction to a cause".
...sorry. I thought I had a chance to have an intelligent conversation with you. Your take on animals and that they are just mindless machines has convinced me otherwise.
I think your answer below answers that pretty simply.
...so, why would a baboon question where it comes from, when it's always just arrived?
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
What created the energy that sparked God? Any attempt in proving the existence God based on reasoning and logic is defeated by the same line of thinking.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
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Highly speculative. Science is great. Do you actually follow it? What i mean is, do you keep up. Do you look at all theories or do you cherrypick and regurgitate speculative hypothesis and call it fact? Last year's discovery of Ardipithicus Ramidus, once again has Darwinian biologists scratching their collective head. A biped that predates strict quadripeds (knucklewalkers) by approximayely a million and a half years. It doesn't fit the hypothesized line. You know, that one you always see on t-shirts and shit. It fucks it all up.
"But human DNA and chimpanzee DNA are 98% similar." So. Actually, when certain things are considered (i'm not a scientist and can't adequately explain it) it factors to more like 90%, but i'll not argue.
What i think is funny is that Human DNA is 35% similar to that of a daffodil. i guess humans are more than one third daffodil.
From Webster's: Faith-firm belief in something for which there is no proof.
Someone asked a little further up the thread if we have solved this, or come to a conclusion etc.
This is an argument that will NEVER EVER EVER be solved. You either have faith or you don't. The argument of "PROOF" just doesn't apply to matters of faith. Those with faith do not need proof that their God exists. We believe in our hearts because of our faith.
For you on the other side of the divide here, you can come back with Kristy, you can't feel it, you can't see it, you cannot hold it in your hands... GOD DOES NOT EXIST. And I will respond, yes, but I have FAITH that he does... We can do this dance for pages and pages on this thread (we are 20+ pages and counting).
Now why do people have faith or not is what should really be discussed. How did you get to the point where you said I have faith or I don't. Some derogatory remarks get tossed at people with faith (I think this thread alone Ive been called an idiot, a moron, stupid, etc.), and that is such a shame because I have a powerful story of why I have faith as Im sure many of you have a powerful story of why you dont.
Faith you either have it or you don't and evidence isnt necessary for the faithful.
So, if someone has faith in Buddah, nothing will be impossible for that person. Correct?
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Well, clearly that is a quote from the Bible and I use it to apply to my faith. The verses surrounding that one are about not having faith in God and I find it encouraging that even a tiny bit goes a long way.
I would assume that people who have FAITH in their God (Buddha, Mohammad, or Goddess and so on) have faith for a reason and I would hope that their faith lets them live lives where they feel they can accomplish great things with that faith in their heart.
Ok. Then for a Christian, who has faith, nothing will be impossible for that person. Is that correct?
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I agree with you on that I think the book of Revelation chapter 18 prophecy clearly descibes the USA as the great city of Babylon. We will fall and burn to the ground. Politics is the worst religion on the planet. We have led the world and they have drank from our cup becoming drunk on wantoness. I put my faith in one Man.
Ironicly we also share the hearts of pigs. Never really knowing our true nature of wallowing in the mire.
I guarantee that if it was mutilation toward the man, that man would say wait this is wrong. That ingrainment only truely surfaces when whatever is at question is afflicted toward us personally. I'm asking where that comes from? Sure a whole controlling male population could think its right to do that but someone there being afflicted thinks its wrong.
You can pick and choose quotes from completely different arguments all you want. So the same reason one in the wild doesnt question where it comes from because it was always there. They cant think higher then the level they were made to think. We are similar to them in a lot of ways, mainly selfishness and instictual survivability. In the same way we euthanise these animals after conducting experiments to futher the human race's survivability they would infact, if to survive, kill you. The difference between them and I is I feel bad about it, they dont. This is a completely different arguement but yes I am that and yet I have no knowledge of science. I assure you after spending more hours of my life then I'd like to think about animals other than humans infact have no soul or basis of morality. I didnt evolve from them I was created different.
Maybe if people were able to spend a little time around these animals and not just take scientist word for everything, by scientist I mean men who get funding and flaw experiments to keep the funding coming, people would realize and not just take scientist word for it. You are puting your faith in mens theory by believing evolution, I am puting my faith in the Man who said he was the only Truth from God. So we are similar, but different.