A respectful message to the mods...

pdalowsky

my god why do these threads always end up the same...

the poster made a nice request for info, thats all, he gets fucking lambasted for his troubles by the minority. He has a point, he might not get a reply, but hey thats down to the mods.

I had countless vedder solo posts removed for little reason and it is annoying, especially with no explanation.

Seriosuly an answer on forthcoming boots wouldnt be so difficult now would it??

Even to say there are no plans, would ensure a lot of needless threads are started dreaming about potential boots.

Danimal

Pj_Gurl wrote:

He was respectful and polite when he exposed his thoughts, hopefully everyone reading his thoughts will be respectful and polite whether they agree with them or not.

I'm reading his thoughts but at the same time I am bending spoons.

JamilyMan

Good morning! I just caught up on this from last night, and for those that respectfully responded (whether they agreed or disagreed), thank you for your thoughts. For those that were disrespectful, I hope you feel better after getting all of that out of your system.

I shouldn't need to defend my post, but I feel I should at the very least, re-state that I don't think the band owes us anything other than what we pay for (the music that we buy). The Ten Club is doing us a service by offering tix, exclusive merchandise, the occassional 'tweets', etc. I appreciate all of that. I did not mean to lambast them or complain or criticize them - that was not the agenda. I simply and respectfully asked for something which I may or may not receive, which is info or context when possible.

I did receive a response to my PM to Kat, so thank you Kat... I really appreciate that. Even though the response was not necessarily substantive, it was a response to close the loop... which is all I asked for.

Thanks again for all of your support and your thoughts.

Andy

Mrs.Vedder78

JamilyMan wrote:

Good morning! I just caught up on this from last night, and for those that respectfully responded (whether they agreed or disagreed), thank you for your thoughts. For those that were disrespectful, I hope you feel better after getting all of that out of your system.

I shouldn't need to defend my post, but I feel I should at the very least, re-state that I don't think the band owes us anything other than what we pay for (the music that we buy). The Ten Club is doing us a service by offering tix, exclusive merchandise, the occassional 'tweets', etc. I appreciate all of that. I did not mean to lambast them or complain or criticize them - that was not the agenda. I simply and respectfully asked for something which I may or may not receive, which is info or context when possible.

I did receive a response to my PM to Kat, so thank you Kat... I really appreciate that. Even though the response was not necessarily substantive, it was a response to close the loop... which is all I asked for.

Thanks again for all of your support and your thoughts.

Andy

I think most of us understood your point and thought you presented it in a very respectful manner

Dirty Stuart

Evolution6579 wrote:

This guy sounds like a complete c0ck to me. Just an observation.

I fixed this for you.

Smartypants

edit: nevermind

piomba

JamilyMan wrote:

...Even though the response was not necessarily substantive...
Andy

It would never be enough for you and it is extremely selfcentered of you to think that you are owed a detailed explantion on these decisions. GIVE THEM A BREAK. If they were to give detailed answers people like you would hold them to every word of the explanation. God forbid they have to make a change at the last minute. Have you ever thought that they don't want to open themselves up to any legal issues. You are being selfish.

LukinFan

brainofPJ wrote:

so do you hold down the shift key every time you type a new word or do you have an 'on switch' of sorts?

haha, I was thinking the same thing

JamilyMan

piomba wrote:

It would never be enough for you and it is extremely selfcentered of you to think that you are owed a detailed explantion on these decisions. GIVE THEM A BREAK. If they were to give detailed answers people like you would hold them to every word of the explanation. God forbid they have to make a change at the last minute. Have you ever thought that they don't want to open themselves up to any legal issues. You are being selfish.

Thank you, but you misunderstood my point. I was appreciative of the acknowledgement and the response, even if it was not chuck full of info. I responded to her in a PM and thanked her for the response. I do not feel I am owed anything - that was the point of the original post. There is a difference between inquiring about something and feeling you are owed something.

Please don't judge me... you don't know me. If you get to know me and you feel I am self centered or selfish, you can make a decision about me - but to assume I would hold anyone to anything like that, especially litigiously, is far from who I am. And to garner that from a posting or two would be quite irresponsible. Again, thank you for your thoughts, but sadly, you just swung and missed.

einatshaul

Well, after we were all subjected to this emotional thread... What was her answer, may I ask?

JamilyMan

einatshaul wrote:

Well, after we were all subjected to this emotional thread... What was her answer, may I ask?

...but a PM I sent about the Eddie shows...and essentially what she said was that she has no information on any plans.

PissBottleMan

JamilyMan...I don't post as much for a variety of reasons, but I have to say that you presented a respectful and articulate thread that many of us agree with.

I think a lot of the craziness on the board can be cut off in advance with simple responses to legitimate questions.

Mods x 2 have done some very nice things for me (in helping with events), but they've also been suspect to questionable actions.

Communication is key.

Thank you for your thread and I hope the appropriate parties take notice.

Cheers,

PBM

mattosborne

I completely agree that we are left in the dark about everything until the minute things are happening. Most bands give tons of album updates, post pictures and/or videos from the studio, video blogs or what have you. We get nothing. If its newsworthy, we read it somewhere else. It's on billboard or rolling stone. What would be the harm in having Ed or Mike or Stone or whoever write up a little update saying how things are going every couple months or something? It's like standard for bands to do that. Pearljam.com should be the place I go to find all this information, instead I have to rely on other media outlets. All this is disappointing to me. I'm not protesting, I love Pearl Jam, I love the ten club, I've been a member for five years and I imagine I will be for as long as its an available service but, I do believe a little more transparency is in order. 99.9% of other bands do it, why can't Pearl Jam who has the most loyal, dedicated fan base in the world.

stupidcorporatewhore

mattosborne wrote:

I do believe a little more transparency is in order. 99.9% of other bands do it, why can't Pearl Jam who has the most loyal, dedicated fan base in the world.

99.9% of other bands charge 3x as much for yearly dues and then stiff you on tickets. just sayin. It's still the best 28 cents a week I spend.

anyone but me think this entire thread is a classic case of killing the messenger?

Yellow Ledbelly

stupidcorporatewhore wrote:

anyone but me think this entire thread is a classic case of killing the messenger?

Yes

samnation

I'm guessing the most logical answer is simply that the mods often do not know the answer/reason for something the band has chosen to do. And I don't say that as a criticism. The definition of moderate is to preside over, not be a spokesperson or PR rep. But of course it's understandable that fans have questions that they want answered, even simple questions that don't seem intrusive at all. But PJ definitely marches to the beat of their own drummer, and I suspect that is one of the things we all really like about the band. So we may never know the "real reason" behind any of their decisions. And I think at the end of the day we just have to accept that about them and respect how they choose to interact with people outside their circle. As long as they keep making music and playing shows, I think we're getting all that we really need anyway.

mattosborne

stupidcorporatewhore wrote:

99.9% of other bands charge 3x as much for yearly dues and then stiff you on tickets. just sayin. It's still the best 28 cents a week I spend.

anyone but me think this entire thread is a classic case of killing the messenger?

I didn't say I didn't appreciate what they do for us, I definitley do. Bands that don't have fan clubs post album updates and stuff like that. You act as if everything a band does for us is at some cost. All i'm asking for is NEWS every once in a while.

2-feign-reluctance

JamilyMan wrote:

Hi Kat, Sea, Santos, etc:

Please let me preface this by saying that I am writing this out of respect and do NOT want this to become a fire burning out of control. I don't want to speak on behalf of anyone other than myself, so please understand that I am voicing my concerns only.

I have been a big fan of Pearl Jam since day one. I have spent countless dollars on merchandise ranging from the music, dvds, clothing, posters, Ten Club membership, etc. I consider myself to be a very active and regular customer of the Pearl Jam corporation. I have been a member of the Ten Club for only a few years, but my years of pumping money into the Pearl Jam business started shortly after Ten was released.

As a fan, I am not owed anything other than what I pay for. I am not owed an explanation of every move the band makes, every plan the band has, every reason they make a decision, etc. I totally get that and respect that.

Having said that, I will also say that while I am a fan, I am also a paying customer who chooses to make purchases based on a number of things. As Eddie sang during Lolla, screw BP. Why? Because they are making decisions that go against what many of us believe to be right. I have also heard him promote and discourage other purchases based on what he believed to be right or wrong. That is certainly his perogative and he knows that he infuences a lot of people.

We, as customers of Pearl Jam also can make a decision to support certain products, companies, etc., and that includes the Pearl Jam corporation. I am not saying that people should stop investing in something they hold dear... but I am asking you, as the customer facing voice of the business, to please treat us as customers that you appreciate and respect. What this means is that if there is a reason behind a decision that can be shared, you share it. If you are unable to share the reason behind a decision, that you have the courtesy to say something to that effect. "Eddie has stated that he does not want anyone taking pictures or recording his shows. His reasons are his own, and he asks that people please respect them."

Something as simple as that can derail a train heading down a very negative track very quickly (although not all of it, I am sure). Or, "Eddie does not want these shows taped because we are hoping to release a special DVD with some of the highlights, and Eddie wants people who were not there to see it with his artisitc vision, not a crappy cell phone recorded copy."

When people ask you direct questions, please have the courtesy to answer them in the best way you are able. So, when people ask "Will there be bootlegs of this coming tour?" a simple yes, no, we are in the works trying to make this happen, we have been asked by the band to not talk about this right now, etc. will give people enough info to chew on until an announcement can be made.

A sticky and/or news item stating "we have asked the people putting ___ video on youtube to take it down because of _____. We have deleted the thread about ______ because the band has made it clear that any mention of these topics be removed from the forum. There are ways to treat the fans as respected and appreciated customers, which will go a long way with many of us.

I personally sent you, Kat, a PM about the April Fools tour, and never got any sort of response. I felt put off, as I asked respectfully, did it in private without putting anyone on the spot, and waited patiently for a response. I have been very respectful on this forum, and I treat people with tremendous respect.

I ask that you, as a group, please be a little more open with info, even if that info is that you can't talk about it for whatever reason. While you are not obligated to do this, I would ask that you consider taking better care of the people that have taken care of the band and the entire Pearl Jam corporation.

Thank you for reading this - and considering my thoughts.

Andy

great post Andy. well thought out, sincere and appreciated.

zootown

Anyone else thinking that threads like this are directly connected to how many shows are being played. I mean, the less shows there are, the more people become disgruntled and the more threads like this show up.

2-feign-reluctance

zootown wrote:

Anyone else thinking that threads like this are directly connected to how many shows are being played. I mean, the less shows there are, the more people become disgruntled and the more threads like this show up.

i don't. i didn't really get that vibe from what he posted.