Are YOU happy with Obama?

Pepe Silvia

mb262200 wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

And if you're so into sharing how do you feel about Ben Nelsons Nebraska not having to pay for Medi Care Extension while the rest of us do just so Nobama could get his vote.....yeahh!!!! let's share! Every state created equal is out the window under this administration.

i already answered this in another thread.

mb262200 wrote:

No, but i'll remember to teach her that here in America you can do anything. And that the harder you work and the more you learn the more you can recieve in this great country. And i'll teach her about the constitution. And i'll teach her that if she wants to be like you she can move to another country where the american dream doesn't exist, and the government can control your life.

so in Canada, Britain, Australia, New Zeland, Finland, Switzerland, Sweden, Belgium, Spain....those governments control their people's lives?

i'm sure there's flaws in their health care systems but why does that mean we can't improve them? i do not think it is giving the government control of my life and certainly think it's better than being at the mercy of the multi million/billion $ corporations and just be thankful for what little, while ever shrinking, coverage they give me that year. i think people's health is more important than making a larger profit this year than last.

do you teach her if her friend is unlucky enough to need some operation or something and her parents can't afford the health insurance at their work or they just don't offer it or were laid off or it gives little coverage or a flat out denial that if only her parents had worked a little harder she might be able to live, i'd love to hear that rationalization.

I think you watched SICKO one too many times. Last I heard 85 % of americans have H.C. and 80% of those 85 are happy with it
And if there are people in this country that need care i'm all for it, i'm a republican, i'm not satan But Obamas real plan is to simply destroy all private health insurance companies and create a single payer system...what gives him the fucking right? Just an example, I have a friend with stage 4 lymphomia and he has never had health insurance and I can assure you he is NOT getting dropped off on the side of the street . He is getting cared for very well. These health ins.. stories are scare tactics for the government take over.

you're right, those poor misunderstood insurance companies....stories of them denying coverage is scare tactics while death panels and government take overs of our lives is reality :roll:

how is that Obama's plan? he's against a single payer system, he even tried to talk politicians out of supporting the public option. what has Obama even done towards health care reform other than meet with health insurance and pharmaceutical execs and lobbyists? it's been pretty much congress and the senate coming up with the plans.

Starfall

prfctlefts wrote:

And just what is that reason?
Maybe it's because he's not the man for the job,and the American people are becoming more aware of this every passing day.

I already made that reason clear further down that quip you cited - he's lost support from the left because of his vacillating on health care reform, plus his perceived coziness with Wall Street types didn't help him either.

The really important issue though, I think, is that our political process has been hijacked by transnational corporations who can easily pump billions of dollars into a candidate or an issue that will protect their interests, and until that process is cured, we will always be in an uphill battle to restore real democracy.

That's bullshit... There's not one shred of evidence that Bush DELIBERATELY LIED to the american people,and that's noy why we went to Iraq in the first place.

Are you being obtuse? The numerous lies of the Bush administration re: Iraq have been thoroughly documented. Here's one. And a more comprehensive one. And a still more comprehensive one.

Besides, exactly WHY did we go into Iraq in the first place? When this was all going down, the Bush administration kept changing its story - first it was because Saddam Hussein supposedly had ties to Al-Qaeda and helped them carry out the 9/11 attacks (proven false), then they said it was because Saddam Hussein had WMD (also proven false), and then finally because we needed to "liberate the Iraqi people" hence the aptly misnamed "Operation Iraqi Freedom". When intelligence didn't suit their needs, they created their own intelligence division to create fudged data. They relied on extremely untrustworthy sources, with some of their data obtained through torture. Even the British noticed that the Bush administration was more interested in going to war with Iraq regardless of whether it was justified or not.

Did Bush "deliberately lie"? No idea. But as the Decider, either he was completely oblivious to the truth or he deliberately lied - and neither situation shines a good light on him. Then again, one could always claim that Dick "5 deferment chickenhawk" Cheney was really in charge then.

and as far as your statment about clinton trying to hand over OBL. I thoght it went more like this.
---Sudan incidents truncated----

I'm specifically referring to the Taliban offering to hold bin Laden until he could be captured or killed by the US in Afghanistan, but was inexplicably stonewalled by the Bush administration:
In July 2001, the head of Pakistan's pro-bin Laden Jamiaat-i-Islami Party, Qazi Hussein Ahmed, also reportedly was received at the George Bush Center for Intelligence (aka, CIA headquarters) in Langley, Virginia.

According to the Washington Post, the Special Envoy of Mullah Omar, Rahmatullah Hashami, even came to Washington bearing a gift carpet for President Bush from the one-eyed Taliban leader. The Village Voice reported that Hashami, on behalf of the Taliban, offered the Bush administration to hold on to bin Laden long enough for the United States to capture or kill him but, inexplicably, the administration refused. Meanwhile, Spozhmai Maiwandi, the director of the Voice of America's Pashtun service, jokingly nicknamed "Kandahar Rose" by her colleagues, aired favorable reports on the Taliban, including a controversial interview with Mullah Omar.

Both the Clinton and Bush 43 administrations had been negotiating with the Taliban over natural gas pipelines, but I won't go into those here - suffice it to say the Taliban offered Bush an opportunity to hold bin Laden for capture or death, and Bush refused.

Starfall

mb262200 wrote:

I think you watched SICKO one too many times. Last I heard 85 % of americans have H.C. and 80% of those 85 are happy with it
And if there are people in this country that need care i'm all for it, i'm a republican, i'm not satan But Obamas real plan is to simply destroy all private health insurance companies and create a single payer system...what gives him the fucking right? Just an example, I have a friend with stage 4 lymphomia and he has never had health insurance and I can assure you he is NOT getting dropped off on the side of the street . He is getting cared for very well. These health ins.. stories are scare tactics for the government take over.

How do you know that? From the beginning of the process, single payer was NEVER on the table. Period. Numerous attempts to add it, from Dennis Kucinich in the House to Bernie Sanders in the Senate, have all been tabled, shot down, or withdrawn. Max Baucus' Senate Finance Committee never even invited single payer advocates to their meetings. More importantly, when President Obama convened a town hall style meeting on health care, numerous industry lobbyists were there, but no single payer advocate was present. Not to mention a backroom deal made by the White House with big pharma to remove unfavorable amendments.

The President sat back and did nothing while all this was going on.

Senator Feingold may have been right when he said in frustration that the Senate bill is exactly what the President wanted : no public option, no negotiations with drug companies on pricing, no coverage for abortion.

Pepe Silvia

Starfall wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

That's bullshit... There's not one shred of evidence that Bush DELIBERATELY LIED to the american people,and that's noy why we went to Iraq in the first place.

Are you being obtuse? The numerous lies of the Bush administration re: Iraq have been thoroughly documented. Here's one. And a more comprehensive one. And a still more comprehensive one.

Besides, exactly WHY did we go into Iraq in the first place? When this was all going down, the Bush administration kept changing its story - first it was because Saddam Hussein supposedly had ties to Al-Qaeda and helped them carry out the 9/11 attacks (proven false), then they said it was because Saddam Hussein had WMD (also proven false), and then finally because we needed to "liberate the Iraqi people" hence the aptly misnamed "Operation Iraqi Freedom". When intelligence didn't suit their needs, they created their own intelligence division to create fudged data. They relied on extremely untrustworthy sources, with some of their data obtained through torture. Even the British noticed that the Bush administration was more interested in going to war with Iraq regardless of whether it was justified or not.

Did Bush "deliberately lie"? No idea. But as the Decider, either he was completely oblivious to the truth or he deliberately lied - and neither situation shines a good light on him. Then again, one could always claim that Dick "5 deferment chickenhawk" Cheney was really in charge then.

then there was also the time Bush said

"We just heard the Prime Minister talk about the new report. I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied -- finally denied access, a report came out of the Atomic -- the IAEA that they were six months away from developing a weapon. I don't know what more evidence we need."

which isn't what the report said at all, in fact the IAEA's new report said Iraq didn't even have an operational program...Bush then claimed he misspoke and meant an IAEA report from '98....only problem it was taking even the '98 report out of context as that stated Iraq was:

"six to 24 months away from developing a weapon before the Gulf War in 1991, but its efforts to produce weapons-grade uranium were largely crippled by the war and subsequent inspection regime."

how is that not a lie??

inmytree

mb262200 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

had to share this...

"Worst justification of the year -- Unemployment will hit 8 percent without the stimulus bill-Pres. obama"

$787 billion later, unemployment in October reached 10.2 percent and is currently at 10 percent. Enough said.

Godfather.

no, there is more to say...I wonder what unemployment would be at without the stimulus...

Probably at about 7 or 8% . There was one small town that got a million dollars from the stim and they didn't know what to do with it so they decided to widen their busy street in town. To do so they had to remove the parking spaces on both sides of the street giving all the small restaraunts and bars no parking for their customers forcing them to lose business and lay people off. So in this case the stimulus money actually cost jobs

probably, huh...

and do you have a link or anything to back up your story....?

inmytree

mb262200 wrote:

No, but i'll remember to teach her that here in America you can do anything. And that the harder you work and the more you learn the more you can recieve in this great country. And i'll teach her about the constitution. And i'll teach her that if she wants to be like you she can move to another country where the american dream doesn't exist, and the government can control your life.

it's funny to me that the "pull yourself up by your bootstrap" crowd is whining so much about Obama...

shouldn't y'all be pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and not worrying about others...

WaveCameCrashin

Starfall wrote:

Did Bush "deliberately lie"? No idea. But as the Decider, either he was completely oblivious to the truth or he deliberately lied - and neither situation shines a good light on him. Then again, one could always claim that Dick "5 deferment chickenhawk" Cheney was really in charge then.

So now your saying you have no idea ? But your previous post you said "He delibertly lied to the nation to get us into a war". :?

Starfall wrote:

The numerous lies of the Bush administration re: Iraq have been thoroughly documented. Here's one. And a more comprehensive one. And a still more comprehensive one.

Look man with all due respect if your going to post links you need to find links that are not far left and that are'nt over 5 years old before I will even consider taking them seriously. All the left wing sites do is take everything out of context and you only hear one side of the argument or story.

OnTheEdge

Did somebody say Obama is against single payer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

OnTheEdge

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I think you watched SICKO one too many times. Last I heard 85 % of americans have H.C. and 80% of those 85 are happy with it
And if there are people in this country that need care i'm all for it, i'm a republican, i'm not satan But Obamas real plan is to simply destroy all private health insurance companies and create a single payer system...what gives him the fucking right? Just an example, I have a friend with stage 4 lymphomia and he has never had health insurance and I can assure you he is NOT getting dropped off on the side of the street . He is getting cared for very well. These health ins.. stories are scare tactics for the government take over.

i'm not sure how to even reply to this. where are you getting your facts/figures here?? if we have 47 million uninsured ( i have heard up to 49 million in latest estimates) we must have a huge population. i doubt that 47 million is only 15% of our population. from the looks of your opinion of what obama allegedly wants to do here, you are indoctrinated. if sigle payer was obama's plan he would have crammed it down your throat, but it has been off the table for 4 months. so sleep easy at night because single payer will not happen unless the dems pick up 15 seats in the senate but i doubt they will ever get a supermajority like that. if he wanted to destroy private health insurance companies he would be against this senate bill, which is basically a hand out to those ins companies. how can you rationalize that?? by the way, there was never going to be a government takeover of health care so stop being so scared.


ignorance must be a terrible cross to bear.


as far as your friend being uninsured and getting good care, he must have a lot of money or be getting that treatment pro bono or very close to it....

well, do the math, as of jan 1st 2009 there were 305,000,000 and counting. so if I did the math right I would say it is correct. although I will admit when you say 45 million vs 15% it sounds much worse.
and as far as being scared about a government health care take over, maybe you should take the time to watch the video i posted just above this post.Peace

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I think you watched SICKO one too many times. Last I heard 85 % of americans have H.C. and 80% of those 85 are happy with it
And if there are people in this country that need care i'm all for it, i'm a republican, i'm not satan But Obamas real plan is to simply destroy all private health insurance companies and create a single payer system...what gives him the fucking right? Just an example, I have a friend with stage 4 lymphomia and he has never had health insurance and I can assure you he is NOT getting dropped off on the side of the street . He is getting cared for very well. These health ins.. stories are scare tactics for the government take over.

i'm not sure how to even reply to this. where are you getting your facts/figures here?? if we have 47 million uninsured ( i have heard up to 49 million in latest estimates) we must have a huge population. i doubt that 47 million is only 15% of our population. from the looks of your opinion of what obama allegedly wants to do here, you are indoctrinated. if sigle payer was obama's plan he would have crammed it down your throat, but it has been off the table for 4 months. so sleep easy at night because single payer will not happen unless the dems pick up 15 seats in the senate but i doubt they will ever get a supermajority like that. if he wanted to destroy private health insurance companies he would be against this senate bill, which is basically a hand out to those ins companies. how can you rationalize that?? by the way, there was never going to be a government takeover of health care so stop being so scared.


ignorance must be a terrible cross to bear.


as far as your friend being uninsured and getting good care, he must have a lot of money or be getting that treatment pro bono or very close to it....

well, do the math, as of jan 1st 2009 there were 305,000,000 and counting. so if I did the math right I would say it is correct. although I will admit when you say 45 million vs 15% it sounds much worse.
and as far as being scared about a government health care take over, maybe you should take the time to watch the video i posted just above this post.Peace

15% is 15% too many uninsured people.

as i said, ignorance must be a terrible cross to bear...

OnTheEdge

Yeah Yeah Yeah, so you think i'm ignorant. Come on over to my house and watch how much sleep I lose. At least i'm still not suffering from B.D.S..... Bush Derangement Syndrome. There's two people that STILL blame Bush for everything...that's YOU and OBAMA

brandon10

mb262200 wrote:

Yeah Yeah Yeah, so you think i'm ignorant. Come on over to my house and watch how much sleep I lose. At least i'm still not suffering from B.D.S..... Bush Derangement Syndrome. There's two people that STILL blame Bush for everything...that's YOU and OBAMA

Speaking of blame, it's hilarious how the right wants to blame Obama for EVERYTHING. Your local fire truck could break down and it would be Obama's fault. :roll: Or Obama could bring about world peace and you'd be mad because you don't get as many chances to shoot your guns.

And nothing was Bush's fault. That guy was a tool and everyone now knows it. He wasn't smart enough to recieve any of the blame. Cheney on the other hand....well lets just say the wrong guy got shot in the face.

OnTheEdge

15% uninsured. So let's have the government give it to me and have EVERYONE pay for it. Here's an (ignorant idea), why don't we let ins. co. compete nation wide which will make things more competitive which should lower cost. You've all been trained to believe that the only ones that can fix this problem is the government.

OnTheEdge

brandon10 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Yeah Yeah Yeah, so you think i'm ignorant. Come on over to my house and watch how much sleep I lose. At least i'm still not suffering from B.D.S..... Bush Derangement Syndrome. There's two people that STILL blame Bush for everything...that's YOU and OBAMA

Speaking of blame, it's hilarious how the right wants to blame Obama for EVERYTHING. Your local fire truck could break down and it would be Obama's fault. :roll: Or Obama could bring about world peace and you'd be mad because you don't get as many chances to shoot your guns.

And nothing was Bush's fault. That guy was a tool and everyone now knows it. He wasn't smart enough to recieve any of the blame. Cheney on the other hand....well lets just say the wrong guy got shot in the face.

Ummm, as far as blaming Obama for stuff....did you know that he is the president? Local fire truck comment is rediculous, If he created world peace I could still go deer hunting and shoot my guns, never said nothing was Bush's fault, he's been recieving blame from this administration since day one which tells me Obama does not know how to recieve blame, and as far as the wrong guy getting shot in the face....i thought you were a hippie...peace love and happiness for ALL.......you waste my time and my emotions, this racist takes your posts with a shrug.

brandon10

mb262200 wrote:

15% uninsured. So let's have the government give it to me and have EVERYONE pay for it. Here's an (ignorant idea), why don't we let ins. co. compete nation wide which will make things more competitive which should lower cost. You've all been trained to believe that the only ones that can fix this problem is the government.

But why the need for insurance companies in the first place???

inmytree

mb262200 wrote:

Yeah Yeah Yeah, so you think i'm ignorant. Come on over to my house and watch how much sleep I lose. At least i'm still not suffering from B.D.S..... Bush Derangement Syndrome. There's two people that STILL blame Bush for everything...that's YOU and OBAMA

I think you're blinded by your hatred for Obama...

brandon10

mb262200 wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

Speaking of blame, it's hilarious how the right wants to blame Obama for EVERYTHING. Your local fire truck could break down and it would be Obama's fault. :roll: Or Obama could bring about world peace and you'd be mad because you don't get as many chances to shoot your guns.

And nothing was Bush's fault. That guy was a tool and everyone now knows it. He wasn't smart enough to recieve any of the blame. Cheney on the other hand....well lets just say the wrong guy got shot in the face.

Ummm, as far as blaming Obama for stuff....did you know that he is the president? Local fire truck comment is rediculous, If he created world peace I could still go deer hunting and shoot my guns, never said nothing was Bush's fault, he's been recieving blame from this administration since day one which tells me Obama does not know how to recieve blame, and as far as the wrong guy getting shot in the face....i thought you were a hippie...peace love and happiness for ALL.......you waste my time and my emotions, this racist takes your posts with a shrug.

See, you know nothing about me. I am far from being a hippie. I favorite food is steak. I enjoy all kinds of fighting. UFC, boxing, war movies etc. I play and excel at countless sports. I would have no problem with Cheney taking a shotgun blast to the face. My political leanings are to the left because I have a brain. Nothing to do with being a hippie.

OnTheEdge

inmytree wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Yeah Yeah Yeah, so you think i'm ignorant. Come on over to my house and watch how much sleep I lose. At least i'm still not suffering from B.D.S..... Bush Derangement Syndrome. There's two people that STILL blame Bush for everything...that's YOU and OBAMA

I think you're blinded by your hatred for Obama...

Hate is a very strong word....I never use it.

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

15% uninsured. So let's have the government give it to me and have EVERYONE pay for it. Here's an (ignorant idea), why don't we let ins. co. compete nation wide which will make things more competitive which should lower cost. You've all been trained to believe that the only ones that can fix this problem is the government.

there was a well respected economics journal article that said this idea, mccain's idea, this ignorant idea would not reduce costs at all, let alone as signigicantly as these people on the right would have you believe. that argument is tired and proved to be a farce, and is the same argument i have seen you righties on here spouting in the other healthcare threads. if i get around to looking for it i will post it. if you are as informed as you claim to be you should have heard of it by now.

Starfall

prfctlefts wrote:

So now your saying you have no idea ? But your previous post you said "He delibertly lied to the nation to get us into a war". :?

Now you're parsing my quotes. Please go back to my original post and find that was I actually said was:

After 8 years of an absolutely incompetent, lawless, and arrogant Republican administration....invaded Afghanistan even though the Taliban offered to turn over bin Laden to us and there was already a series of negotiations from the Clinton administration to extradite him, and when bin Laden was cornered in Tora Bora, he was shockingly and inexplicably allowed to escape. To say nothing of purposely lying the nation into a war with a country (Iraq) that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack, costing us the lives of over 4000 American young men and women, and countless Iraqi civilians.

I never made any particular allegation as to what Bush's personal motives were. You're the one who brought it up. I'm just putting down what's expressly known.

Look man with all due respect if your going to post links you need to find links that are not far left and that are'nt over 5 years old before I will even consider taking them seriously. All the left wing sites do is take everything out of context and you only hear one side of the argument or story.

I'm not sure what your problem is. The only reason I put up those links were because they put up a summary of the lies that were told by the previous administration. I'm not in any mood to scrounge up individual articles and news sources - I don't have the time, nor the inclination, to do your research for you.

Besides, the ones I cited, particularly the Mother Jones link, were extensively sourced. If you can prove their sources wrong, then be my guest.

Furthermore, calling them "left-wing sites" is simply a strawman argument. The truth is not left wing nor right wing - it's simply the truth.
If FOX started broadcasting unbiased and untainted news instead of right wing opinion masquerading as news, I'd hail them for it. And I'm even more perplexed at your objection to those links being more than 5 years old - the authoritative history of the Roman Empire is still Edward Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire - which is over 200 years old.