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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial, i don't know, you tell us since you seem to know everything.....how many government run insurance programs DO we need?

    i think we need single payor across the board, but people like you refuse to let it happen. why is it ok for you to deny the 47 million people access to health care? sounds VERY selfish to me. you seem to be ok with wasting trillions of dollars so that we can go play in the sand in the middle east, yet you are against giving health care for everyone? please give me your idea for a solution to the problem. i don' know why i even bother because every time i ask you a direct question you ignore me.

    Why do you keep saying I am against healthcare and for war? Once again I am not for war....and I feel the health care system needs some tweaking....like go ahead and cover those that don’t have healthcare. I much rather pay for that than giving millions out to companies that failed or to create jobs that never happened. Just don’t screw up the whole system. I do not feel like paying for illegal aliens health among other things this bill purposes.
    were you not the one who just last week called obama your "enemy" because of his name and for what he was trying to do to give healthcare to the uninsured??? or was that some other aerial posting under your screen name?

    also both bills in congress specifically prevent coverage of illegal immigrants, so you can mark that off of your list of this week's outrages.
    were you not the one who just last week called obama your "enemy" because of his name and for what he was trying to do to give healthcare to the uninsured???



    How many time do I have to repeat...I AM FOR Health Care for those that DO NOT HAVE IT!!!!! Can’t you comprehend a sentence at all?
    both bills in congress specifically prevent coverage of illegal immigrants, so you can mark that off of your list of this week's outrages

    Do you have proof of this?



    Do you people really think we can afford this plan when we are all ready broke (america)...Obama said it himself.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    How many government run health care programs do we need is the real question?
    as many as it takes to get me and the other 45 million americans who dont' have it access.

    well at least congress voted to bring it to a discussion. maybe one day people in your situation will have some coverage.........
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?
    .
    the ignorance and couldn't give a fuck attitude about anyone but 'me', that some posters show, is truly sickening.

    you should be more ashamed than usual of that comment, little mermaid.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?


    you're priorites are all twisted .


    this is how fucked up you are,


    you're ok with murder and rape and pillage and misery and brutality and oppression, but when it comes to me seeing a doctor you're against it.



    the selfish they're all standing in line....


    you're right there with them


    the wealthy are wealthy because of the working class. there is no country to run if the working class stops working, the USA ceases to exist. all the positions of privilege and luxury mean shit without the working class. its an easy concept but i doubt you'll understand... so if some of their taxes go into a fund that allows us access to healthcare, its not even half of what is due.


    you realize we could have 20 hour workweeks, 6 weeks paid vacation, unlimited unempoloyment benefits, job security, helathcare etc.....all of that, AND make more per week than we are now.


    but its because of the selfish and the greedy, people just like you, that don't mind spending so much on weapons and murder, and get up in arms when any of our taxes are to be spent on the people. you are perpetuating a system that caters to the elite, leaves the majority to rot, and is only getting more extreme.

    us 47 million without insurance pay taxes too. i'd rather the money was spent saving lives, not taking them. that's the difference between us.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Commy wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?


    you're priorites are all twisted .


    this is how fucked up you are,


    you're ok with murder and rape and pillage and misery and brutality and oppression, but when it comes to me seeing a doctor you're against it.



    the selfish they're all standing in line....


    you're right there with them


    the wealthy are wealthy because of the working class. there is no country to run if the working class stops working, the USA ceases to exist. all the positions of privilege and luxury mean shit without the working class. its an easy concept but i doubt you'll understand... so if some of their taxes go into a fund that allows us access to healthcare, its not even half of what is due.


    you realize we could have 20 hour workweeks, 6 weeks paid vacation, unlimited unempoloyment benefits, job security, helathcare etc.....all of that, AND make more per week than we are now.


    but its because of the selfish and the greedy, people just like you, that don't mind spending so much on weapons and murder, and get up in arms when any of our taxes are to be spent on the people. you are perpetuating a system that caters to the elite, leaves the majority to rot, and is only getting more extreme.

    us 47 million without insurance pay taxes too. i'd rather the money was spent saving lives, not taking them. that's the difference between us.
    the voice of reason.

    thank you commy.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,407
    yes aerial, i do have proof of that......its specifically stated in the damn bills.....i am not doing any more work for you...you can look it up yourself....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,407
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?

    situation?? ummmmmmm......uninsured.....how about reading the posts instead of comng up with more hypotheticals?

    maybe he does have a job that does not offer benefits. maye he got downsized and laid off. you do know that has been happening for 2 years now right? you do know that unemployment is over 10% right? there are not jobs to be had, if there were the unemployment rate wouldbe lower and more people would be insured. get it?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    edited November 2009
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?

    situation?? ummmmmmm......uninsured.....how about reading the posts instead of comng up with more hypotheticals?

    maybe he does have a job that does not offer benefits. maye he got downsized and laid off. you do know that has been happening for 2 years now right? you do know that unemployment is over 10% right? there are not jobs to be had, if there were the unemployment rate wouldbe lower and more people would be insured. get it?


    how would other people be buying it for him if we had a universal plan or public option? it's ok to take the money commy is taxed from his job and purchases to use towards blowing people up and occupying their land but to give him health care instead is seen as some horrible thing? shouldn't we be asking why do they expect us to pay for their wars, instead?

    get a job with insurance....yeah, that is the magic answer and everyone knows how remarkably easy that is in these current times, eh?

    to quote charlie kelly
    "Oh, get a job? Just get a job? Why don't I strap on my job helmet, and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies!"
    Post edited by Pepe Silvia on
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

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    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    aerial wrote:
    How many time do I have to repeat...I AM FOR Health Care for those that DO NOT HAVE IT!!!!! Can’t you comprehend a sentence at all?
    you say that, then 3 minutes later you say this.
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?

    and you wonder why people don't understand you. i certainly don't. two posts saying completely opposite things, three minutes apart.

    so which one am i to believe you mean?
  • thefin190
    thefin190 Posts: 918
    Why is nobody capitalizing the first letter in the sentences they are writing?
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  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    thefin190 wrote:
    Why is nobody capitalizing the first letter in the sentences they are writing?

    who cares?
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?

    situation?? ummmmmmm......uninsured.....how about reading the posts instead of comng up with more hypotheticals?

    maybe he does have a job that does not offer benefits. maye he got downsized and laid off. you do know that has been happening for 2 years now right? you do know that unemployment is over 10% right? there are not jobs to be had, if there were the unemployment rate wouldbe lower and more people would be insured. get it?
    Yes I realize Obama has not done a damn thing to create jobs...as he dishes out millions to districts that don't even exits...didn't he say he would not let unemployment go over 10%.....I do think there are lazy people that are just waiting to have insurance given to them....and I am okay with helping out the disabled, elderly, single mothers with dead beat dads (or visa versa)....I never said I am for war. (how many times do I have to repeat this?).......I just do not trust congress to pass a bill thet will not have a shit load of pork in it.....I am not rich ...I live pay check to pay check and pay for my own insurance.....If the government did not take out at least $100 dollars a week or more out of my check weekly I would not be living pay check to pay check....I would agree to any healthcare bill that they pass as long as congress applies the same insurance to them selves!!!
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,407
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?

    situation?? ummmmmmm......uninsured.....how about reading the posts instead of comng up with more hypotheticals?

    maybe he does have a job that does not offer benefits. maye he got downsized and laid off. you do know that has been happening for 2 years now right? you do know that unemployment is over 10% right? there are not jobs to be had, if there were the unemployment rate wouldbe lower and more people would be insured. get it?
    Yes I realize Obama has not done a damn thing to create jobs...as he dishes out millions to districts that don't even exits...didn't he say he would not let unemployment go over 10%.....I do think there are lazy people that are just waiting to have insurance given to them....and I am okay with helping out the disabled, elderly, single mothers with dead beat dads (or visa versa)....I never said I am for war. (how many times do I have to repeat this?).......I just do not trust congress to pass a bill thet will not have a shit load of pork in it.....I am not rich ...I live pay check to pay check and pay for my own insurance.....If the government did not take out at least $100 dollars a week or more out of my check weekly I would not be living pay check to pay check....I would agree to any healthcare bill that they pass as long as congress applies the same insurance to them selves!!!

    i was going to type a long reply, but what's the point? go back to sleep. you are so out of touch with mainstream america it is laughable. your interpretation of reality is completely different than mine, as well as the majority of this country. your paycheck to paycheck existance is your own fault. get a better job....jeez, i am starting to say things that sound like some of the things you have said about the uninsured, doesn't it?

    better yet, catch all of the latest "news" on everyone's favorite "news" network, Fux Newz... :mrgreen:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?

    situation?? ummmmmmm......uninsured.....how about reading the posts instead of comng up with more hypotheticals?

    maybe he does have a job that does not offer benefits. maye he got downsized and laid off. you do know that has been happening for 2 years now right? you do know that unemployment is over 10% right? there are not jobs to be had, if there were the unemployment rate wouldbe lower and more people would be insured. get it?
    Yes I realize Obama has not done a damn thing to create jobs...as he dishes out millions to districts that don't even exits...didn't he say he would not let unemployment go over 10%.....I do think there are lazy people that are just waiting to have insurance given to them....and I am okay with helping out the disabled, elderly, single mothers with dead beat dads (or visa versa)....I never said I am for war. (how many times do I have to repeat this?).......I just do not trust congress to pass a bill thet will not have a shit load of pork in it.....I am not rich ...I live pay check to pay check and pay for my own insurance.....If the government did not take out at least $100 dollars a week or more out of my check weekly I would not be living pay check to pay check....I would agree to any healthcare bill that they pass as long as congress applies the same insurance to them selves!!!

    Maybe if you just went out and got a better job, you wouldn't have to live paycheck to paycheck.




    What? It's not that simple? Geez, imagine that...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,407
    what? its NOT that easy? that is what i always do....

    wow i just thought everybody else was lazy and did not want to work while i pay for their commy socialist government insurance....





    :think:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    How many government run health care programs do we need is the real question?
    ...
    Nope.. WRONG again. And please, don't try that bullshit, Glenn Beck/Tea Party issue avoidance crap and just answer the damn question.
    The question I asked was...
    "MediCare, a Government run Healh Care acces system... Is it a good system or bad system?"
    If you are incapable if thinking for yourself and coming up with a 50/50 choice of either 'Good' or 'Bad', then ask your 'Brave American Patriot' friends in your Tea party who are getting MediCare that question.
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    How many time do I have to repeat...I AM FOR Health Care for those that DO NOT HAVE IT!!!!! Can’t you comprehend a sentence at all?
    you say that, then 3 minutes later you say this.
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?

    and you wonder why people don't understand you. i certainly don't. two posts saying completely opposite things, three minutes apart.

    so which one am i to believe you mean?


    ......tumble weed blows by........
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Cosmo wrote:
    Nope.. WRONG again. And please, don't try that bullshit, Glenn Beck/Tea Party issue avoidance crap and just answer the damn question.
    The question I asked was...
    "MediCare, a Government run Healh Care acces system... Is it a good system or bad system?"
    If you are incapable if thinking for yourself and coming up with a 50/50 choice of either 'Good' or 'Bad', then ask your 'Brave American Patriot' friends in your Tea party who are getting MediCare that question.

    Yeah it's run by the gov., but you don't have to get it if you can afford regular health ins.
    From what Iv'e learned is that most recipients of Medicare are very happy with it,but it's bankrupt thanks to the gov.and I have also heard that the gov is going to take even more from it if gov run healthcare passes.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Nope.. WRONG again. And please, don't try that bullshit, Glenn Beck/Tea Party issue avoidance crap and just answer the damn question.
    The question I asked was...
    "MediCare, a Government run Healh Care acces system... Is it a good system or bad system?"
    If you are incapable if thinking for yourself and coming up with a 50/50 choice of either 'Good' or 'Bad', then ask your 'Brave American Patriot' friends in your Tea party who are getting MediCare that question.

    Yeah it's run by the gov., but you don't have to get it if you can afford regular health ins.
    From what Iv'e learned is that most recipients of Medicare are very happy with it,but it's bankrupt thanks to the gov.and I have also heard that the gov is going to take even more from it if gov run healthcare passes.
    ...
    So.. is it good because it is optional, like a Public Option that people are not forced into participating in?
    Or is it bad because it is going bankrupt because the Government is giving people too much access and not charging them enough?
    I am not able to reconcile this answer... are you saying it is good or bad? Partly good and bad? More bad than good?
    ...
    P.S. Government is not supposed to be in the business of making money for itself... it is supposed to break even... at best (which, i understand... is never the case). If it is losing too much money... then, it is either too much of a good thing... or our taxes are not at the sufficient level to maintain that break even point.
    Which do you suggest we do? Cut benefits or raise taxes on MediCare?
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    aerial wrote:
    Yes I realize Obama has not done a damn thing to create jobs...as he dishes out millions to districts that don't even exits...didn't he say he would not let unemployment go over 10%.....I do think there are lazy people that are just waiting to have insurance given to them....and I am okay with helping out the disabled, elderly, single mothers with dead beat dads (or visa versa)....I never said I am for war. (how many times do I have to repeat this?).......I just do not trust congress to pass a bill thet will not have a shit load of pork in it.....I am not rich ...I live pay check to pay check and pay for my own insurance.....If the government did not take out at least $100 dollars a week or more out of my check weekly I would not be living pay check to pay check....I would agree to any healthcare bill that they pass as long as congress applies the same insurance to them selves!!!
    why did you ignore my post where i asked you to clarify your position, as you had made two statements three minutes apart that completely contradicted each other? just in case you missed it :roll:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    How many time do I have to repeat...I AM FOR Health Care for those that DO NOT HAVE IT!!!!! Can’t you comprehend a sentence at all?
    you say that, then 3 minutes later you say this.
    aerial wrote:
    What situation would that be? Or maybe you could get a J.O.B that offers insurance or buy it your self.....anyone think of that yet?
    Why would you expect someone else to buy it for you?

    and you wonder why people don't understand you. i certainly don't. two posts saying completely opposite things, three minutes apart.

    so which one am i to believe you mean?
    you come in and rant and rave all the time, and never answer any direct questions. i'm really starting to believe that you are not here to participate in reasoned debate, and i'm tired of trying to debate with you. no one ever gets anywhere, and we cannot reach any sort of common ground or understanding because you refuse to participate rationally in any discussion. it's like you are just stirring shit and then sitting back and laughing your ass off. if you don't think that's a fair statement, then at least clarify your position above. i still have no clue what you are on about.

    you can bet your ass if i made conflicting statements like you do, i would want to maintain some form of credibility, and at least come back and clarify my stance on the topic at hand.

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