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Loud is the ONLY way. Vinyl Me Please just had a $25 off deal, so I was able to pick these two up much cheaper than they normally go for.
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That’s awesome. I saw the reissues here in Calgary for close to $100 each.
I still have my originals so I passed on the reissues; they had some sticker that said glow in the dark vinyl or something.
Where is the Idlewild from?
Yeah, there is a glow-in-the-dark version of Frances out there, but I've heard it was a bit noisy. The VMP version is red with black smoke. Looks killer and hopefully sounds good.
Idlewild was just reissued for its 20th anniversary. It's available from Rhino here in the states (not sure about in CA), and they have copies of Warnings/Promises in stock too. I've been patiently awaiting a vinyl reissue of The Remote Part ever since I saw them open for PJ in '03. Ecstatic to finally have it and it sounds fantastic.
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St. Louis 10.11.00
Kansas City 10.12.00
St. Louis 4.22.03
Kansas City 6.12.03
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Kansas City 5.3.10 Phoenix (EV) 4.13.12
Phoenix (EV) 11.4.12
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That’s awesome. I saw the reissues here in Calgary for close to $100 each.
I still have my originals so I passed on the reissues; they had some sticker that said glow in the dark vinyl or something.
Where is the Idlewild from?
Yeah, there is a glow-in-the-dark version of Frances out there, but I've heard it was a bit noisy. The VMP version is red with black smoke. Looks killer and hopefully sounds good.
Idlewild was just reissued for its 20th anniversary. It's available from Rhino here in the states (not sure about in CA), and they have copies of Warnings/Promises in stock too. I've been patiently awaiting a vinyl reissue of The Remote Part ever since I saw them open for PJ in '03. Ecstatic to finally have it and it sounds fantastic.
I saw them open in Vancouver 2003. Picked up Remote Part when PJ announced them as openers months before. Love that album. Will try and find it up here. Thanks man.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Yeah, there is a glow-in-the-dark version of Frances out there, but I've heard it was a bit noisy. The VMP version is red with black smoke. Looks killer and hopefully sounds good.
I have the VMP version and it looks and sounds amazing. You’re gonna love it.
When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
Hannah Diviney
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to
say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger
born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo,
on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That
tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my
disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and
it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets
including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global
conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no
place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone
and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz”
twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to
tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank.
Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this
one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé
so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the
blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers
following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a
career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in
an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s
commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as
is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives,
struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I
can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But
that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets
used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never
ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It
doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this
album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six
weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It
doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and
yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the
disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Man that's tough. I didn't know that is an offensive word. It's only rock and roll. Or pop, or whatever. Turn it off if you don't like it. Gee whiz. Bad brains reissued a record and removed the lyrics from one song as not to offend people. It's punk rock. WTH is going on. I love everyone, but please people. End of rant
When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
Hannah Diviney
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to
say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger
born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo,
on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That
tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my
disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and
it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets
including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global
conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no
place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone
and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz”
twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to
tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank.
Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this
one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé
so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the
blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers
following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a
career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in
an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s
commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as
is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives,
struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I
can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But
that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets
used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never
ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It
doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this
album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six
weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It
doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and
yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the
disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything.
Man that's tough. I didn't know that is an offensive word. It's only rock and roll. Or pop, or whatever. Turn it off if you don't like it. Gee whiz. Bad brains reissued a record and removed the lyrics from one song as not to offend people. It's punk rock. WTH is going on. I love everyone, but please people. End of rant
I guess I don’t get the big deal that artists change their lyrics or songs after finding out that it offended or hurt someone or some marginalized group. I mean, if the artist isn’t that person, I can understand wanting to change their art so they don’t misrepresent someone they aren’t. Wanting to make th8ngs better after someone gets hurt isn’t a bad thing.
Man that's tough. I didn't know that is an offensive word. It's only rock and roll. Or pop, or whatever. Turn it off if you don't like it. Gee whiz. Bad brains reissued a record and removed the lyrics from one song as not to offend people. It's punk rock. WTH is going on. I love everyone, but please people. End of rant
I guess I don’t get the big deal that artists change their lyrics or songs after finding out that it offended or hurt someone or some marginalized group. I mean, if the artist isn’t that person, I can understand wanting to change their art so they don’t misrepresent someone they aren’t. Wanting to make th8ngs better after someone gets hurt isn’t a bad thing.
Agree.
Except Patti Smith will always get a pass from me.
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When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
Hannah Diviney
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to
say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger
born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo,
on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That
tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my
disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and
it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets
including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global
conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no
place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone
and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz”
twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to
tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank.
Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this
one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé
so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the
blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers
following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a
career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in
an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s
commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as
is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives,
struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I
can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But
that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets
used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never
ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It
doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this
album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six
weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It
doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and
yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the
disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything.
I'm really hoping she comes around on this one. And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability? She would do well to make amends somehow. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
Hannah Diviney
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to
say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger
born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo,
on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That
tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my
disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and
it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets
including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global
conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no
place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone
and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz”
twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to
tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank.
Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this
one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé
so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the
blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers
following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a
career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in
an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s
commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as
is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives,
struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I
can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But
that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets
used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never
ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It
doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this
album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six
weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It
doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and
yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the
disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything.
I'm really hoping she comes around on this one. And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability? She would do well to make amends somehow. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I mean. She’s changing it. I’m sure it’s all good.
But yeah, until the Lizzo story a few weeks back I didn’t know. I’m fine dropping it. No issue for me.
I have always thought it to mean this. Someone high sprung or a goof. Never have I ever heard the word Spaz used to put down someone with cerebral palsy.
When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
Hannah Diviney
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to
say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger
born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo,
on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That
tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my
disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and
it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets
including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global
conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no
place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone
and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz”
twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to
tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank.
Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this
one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé
so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the
blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers
following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a
career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in
an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s
commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as
is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives,
struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I
can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But
that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets
used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never
ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It
doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this
album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six
weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It
doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and
yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the
disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything.
I'm really hoping she comes around on this one. And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability? She would do well to make amends somehow. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I have always thought it to mean this. Someone high sprung or a goof. Never have I ever heard the word Spaz used to put down someone with cerebral palsy.
When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
Hannah Diviney
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to
say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger
born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo,
on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That
tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my
disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and
it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets
including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global
conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no
place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone
and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz”
twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to
tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank.
Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this
one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé
so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the
blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers
following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a
career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in
an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s
commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as
is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives,
struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I
can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But
that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets
used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never
ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It
doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this
album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six
weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It
doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and
yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the
disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything.
I'm really hoping she comes around on this one. And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability? She would do well to make amends somehow. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Never heard of it used in that way. Is this new?
Same with me.. like a dork.
I'm sure someone is going to tell me that "dork" is a slur for something too.
I have always thought it to mean this. Someone high sprung or a goof. Never have I ever heard the word Spaz used to put down someone with cerebral palsy.
When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
Hannah Diviney
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to
say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger
born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo,
on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That
tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my
disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and
it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets
including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global
conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no
place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone
and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz”
twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to
tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank.
Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this
one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé
so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the
blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers
following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a
career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in
an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s
commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as
is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives,
struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I
can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But
that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets
used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never
ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It
doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this
album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six
weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It
doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and
yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the
disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything.
I'm really hoping she comes around on this one. And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability? She would do well to make amends somehow. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Never heard of it used in that way. Is this new?
Same with me.. like a dork.
I'm sure someone is going to tell me that "dork" is a slur for something too.
It's where I draw the line at the PC thing sometimes... I still don't get how mulatto is a slur...
I have always thought it to mean this. Someone high sprung or a goof. Never have I ever heard the word Spaz used to put down someone with cerebral palsy.
When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
Hannah Diviney
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to
say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger
born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo,
on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That
tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my
disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and
it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets
including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global
conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no
place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone
and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz”
twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to
tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank.
Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this
one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé
so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the
blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers
following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a
career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in
an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s
commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as
is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives,
struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I
can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But
that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets
used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never
ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It
doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this
album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six
weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It
doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and
yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the
disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything.
I'm really hoping she comes around on this one. And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability? She would do well to make amends somehow. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Never heard of it used in that way. Is this new?
Same with me.. like a dork.
I'm sure someone is going to tell me that "dork" is a slur for something too.
It's where I draw the line at the PC thing sometimes... I still don't get how mulatto is a slur...
I get that one.. it's someone half black and half white. To me, a person can choose to be a spaz, a dork, a jerk, an idiot. It's not specific to race, creed, color, etc. Mulatto is specific.
I have always thought it to mean this. Someone high sprung or a goof. Never have I ever heard the word Spaz used to put down someone with cerebral palsy.
When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
Hannah Diviney
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to
say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger
born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo,
on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That
tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my
disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and
it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets
including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global
conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no
place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone
and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz”
twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to
tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank.
Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this
one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé
so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the
blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers
following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a
career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in
an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s
commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as
is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives,
struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I
can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But
that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets
used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never
ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It
doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this
album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six
weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It
doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and
yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the
disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything.
I'm really hoping she comes around on this one. And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability? She would do well to make amends somehow. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Never heard of it used in that way. Is this new?
Same with me.. like a dork.
I'm sure someone is going to tell me that "dork" is a slur for something too.
It's where I draw the line at the PC thing sometimes... I still don't get how mulatto is a slur...
I get that one.. it's someone half black and half white. To me, a person can choose to be a spaz, a dork, a jerk, an idiot. It's not specific to race, creed, color, etc. Mulatto is specific.
I always thought it was to describe a color, not black not white, a mix. Again, I don't get to why it's a slur. Someone back in the day must have done stupid shit with the word to make it taboo.
I have always thought it to mean this. Someone high sprung or a goof. Never have I ever heard the word Spaz used to put down someone with cerebral palsy.
When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
Hannah Diviney
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to
say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger
born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo,
on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That
tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my
disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and
it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets
including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global
conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no
place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone
and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz”
twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to
tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank.
Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this
one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé
so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the
blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers
following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a
career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in
an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s
commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as
is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives,
struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I
can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But
that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets
used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never
ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It
doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this
album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six
weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It
doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and
yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the
disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything.
I'm really hoping she comes around on this one. And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability? She would do well to make amends somehow. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Never heard of it used in that way. Is this new?
Same with me.. like a dork.
I'm sure someone is going to tell me that "dork" is a slur for something too.
It's where I draw the line at the PC thing sometimes... I still don't get how mulatto is a slur...
I get that one.. it's someone half black and half white. To me, a person can choose to be a spaz, a dork, a jerk, an idiot. It's not specific to race, creed, color, etc. Mulatto is specific.
I always thought it was to describe a color, not black not white, a mix. Again, I don't get to why it's a slur. Someone back in the day must have done stupid shit with the word to make it taboo.
No, it's a description of your parents, not a color. Miscegenation was illegal in many states, so being a 'mulatto' is akin to being a bastard or being illegal.
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I’ve only ever known the word ‘sp*z’ as an offensive term (it’s literally an abbreviation of spastic paralysis). Growing up in the UK we’d always get into trouble if anyone called someone that word. I guess that highlights the differences in countries and cultures.
Another example would be the word ‘c**n’. In the UK, it was a really offensive racist slur, in the US, it could be short for raccoon, in Australia it’s a brand of cheese!
I can see both sides - on the one hand, are Beyoncé and Lizzo really supposed to know the global differences in interpretations? On the other hand, there are so many co-writers and collaborators on a Beyoncé record that she’s more like a band than a solo artist. Surely one of them would’ve picked up on it, especially so soon after Lizzo?
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank
It’s not very often that I don’t know what to say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.
Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo, on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.
Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.
I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz” twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.
I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank. Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this one out is a whole other level.
Whenever Beyoncé so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.
Beyoncé’s commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives, struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.
But that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.
It doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the disabled community.
I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.
Except Patti Smith will always get a pass from me.
I'm really hoping she comes around on this one. And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability? She would do well to make amends somehow. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Never heard of it used in that way. Is this new?
I'm sure someone is going to tell me that "dork" is a slur for something too.
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