Shooting at Fort Hood

gimmesometruth27

porchmonkey77 wrote:

I've seen a few posts hinting that PTSD might have been a factor. The P in PTSD stands for "Post" meaning AFTER. PTSD is the newfangled term for what they used to call "shell-shock." So, considering he had not been in a combat zone, I think we can rule out PTSD.

This piece of garbage yelled "Allah Akbar" before he shot our troops, and the news today is saying that for years he attended the same mosque as many of the 9/11 highjackers. This is enough for me.

This was an act of terrorism. Anyone remember this one? From ABC news: March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14.

The US military, in my opinion, (and I know it won't be a popular opinion), should no longer accept Muslims. I know that 95% of Muslims are peace-loving people. I get that. I also know that non-Muslims have committed horrible acts, i.e. Tim McVeigh. But enough is enough. I have friends in the military that I don't want to see killed by some maniac within their ranks.

why don't you just kick out everyone other than white christians?

come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....

aerial

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

aerial wrote:

Looks like he infiltrated the American Military ( as they said they would) and because of Political correctness he got away with killing more Americans. Just Like I said in an earlier post, Political correctness will be the down fall of our country unless people start calling it as they see it.

you can not blame this incident on political correctness. how is a concept like being politically correct going to be the downfall of of our country? seriously, first you said obama will be the downfall, then it was the healthcare bill that was going to be the downfall, and not its political correctness. you sound like chicken little "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!"

Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...

aerial

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

porchmonkey77 wrote:

I've seen a few posts hinting that PTSD might have been a factor. The P in PTSD stands for "Post" meaning AFTER. PTSD is the newfangled term for what they used to call "shell-shock." So, considering he had not been in a combat zone, I think we can rule out PTSD.

This piece of garbage yelled "Allah Akbar" before he shot our troops, and the news today is saying that for years he attended the same mosque as many of the 9/11 highjackers. This is enough for me.

This was an act of terrorism. Anyone remember this one? From ABC news: March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14.

The US military, in my opinion, (and I know it won't be a popular opinion), should no longer accept Muslims. I know that 95% of Muslims are peace-loving people. I get that. I also know that non-Muslims have committed horrible acts, i.e. Tim McVeigh. But enough is enough. I have friends in the military that I don't want to see killed by some maniac within their ranks.

why don't you just kick out everyone other than white christians?

come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....

Are you decriminating against Christians?

gimmesometruth27

aerial wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

porchmonkey77 wrote:

I've seen a few posts hinting that PTSD might have been a factor. The P in PTSD stands for "Post" meaning AFTER. PTSD is the newfangled term for what they used to call "shell-shock." So, considering he had not been in a combat zone, I think we can rule out PTSD.

This piece of garbage yelled "Allah Akbar" before he shot our troops, and the news today is saying that for years he attended the same mosque as many of the 9/11 highjackers. This is enough for me.

This was an act of terrorism. Anyone remember this one? From ABC news: March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14.

The US military, in my opinion, (and I know it won't be a popular opinion), should no longer accept Muslims. I know that 95% of Muslims are peace-loving people. I get that. I also know that non-Muslims have committed horrible acts, i.e. Tim McVeigh. But enough is enough. I have friends in the military that I don't want to see killed by some maniac within their ranks.

why don't you just kick out everyone other than white christians?

come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....

Are you decriminating against Christians?

will you read my post objectively please?? of course i am not discriminating but i was using it as an example. it is exactly the same thing that you and the other poster are advocating.

gimmesometruth27

aerial wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

aerial wrote:

Looks like he infiltrated the American Military ( as they said they would) and because of Political correctness he got away with killing more Americans. Just Like I said in an earlier post, Political correctness will be the down fall of our country unless people start calling it as they see it.

you can not blame this incident on political correctness. how is a concept like being politically correct going to be the downfall of of our country? seriously, first you said obama will be the downfall, then it was the healthcare bill that was going to be the downfall, and not its political correctness. you sound like chicken little "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!"

Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...

what do you think i am stupid or have a short memory or something?? you have been saying obama is the downfall all along. remember his name makes him your enemy? or was that taken out of context??

phillypjhead

why don't you just kick out everyone other than white christians?

come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....[/quote]

I don't know why race had to come in to this discussion. It always seems to be the "liberals" who go right to skin color.

Christians have also done awful things in the past, but I don't remember anyone killing Americans in the name of Jesus in the last, say, 10 years or so. Like the 9-11 Commission said, radical Islam has been at war with us for a generation, but we were not at war with it.

I know this is a tough issue, but the military is not a giant social experiment. It is a fighting force. Screening out who fights in our military is just common sense. I personally don't see serving in the military as a constitutional right.

aerial

Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...[/quote]
what do you think i am stupid or have a short memory or something?? you have been saying obama is the downfall all along. remember his name makes him your enemy? or was that taken out of context??[/quote]


What I said was.....
What other country would vote into office the enemy?
Just by his name alone (of course there are other reasons) he should not have been voted into the presidency or any other office in this country. Politically correctness is going to be the down fall of this country, if it’s not too late already.

phillypjhead

Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...[/quote]

The downfall started before Obama. While there is some truth there, Obama is a puppet. He's a symptom of a greater disease. Our country is run by a mafia-like gang. They are called the Republicrats. Or is it the Democrublicans?

aerial

The terrorist said they were going to infiltrate our country...has everyone forgotten? They think we are idiots...and sometimes I see why...

aerial

porchmonkey77 wrote:

Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...

The downfall started before Obama. While there is some truth there, Obama is a puppet. He's a symptom of a greater disease. Our country is run by a mafia-like gang. They are called the Republicrats. Or is it the Democrublicans?[/quote]

I agree.....Both

Shawshank

Having known some of the victims and people involved in this event, it's hard not to argue that in many ways political correctness is at the very least somewhat responsible. People in command that had the ability to take action when they saw the warning signs didn't do anything. Why? I can't help but believe they were afraid of the backlash and condemnation that it would bring. That is where political correctness becomes our downfall. There is such a fear about doing or saying anything that might be deemed racist or insensitive against Muslims. If this had a been a Christian whack job, doing this in the name of Jesus, and he had been handing out Bibles that morning, you can rest assured he would have been called a Christian Extremist.

I'm not saying you should put all muslims in internment camps, or boot them out of the Army. I'm just saying that as citizens, Christian, Jewish, Muslim or whatever, we need to be vigilant for the safety and security of everyone.

gimmesometruth27

porchmonkey77 wrote:

why don't you just kick out everyone other than white christians?

come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....

I don't know why race had to come in to this discussion. It always seems to be the "liberals" who go right to skin color.

Christians have also done awful things in the past, but I don't remember anyone killing Americans in the name of Jesus in the last, say, 10 years or so. Like the 9-11 Commission said, radical Islam has been at war with us for a generation, but we were not at war with it.

I know this is a tough issue, but the military is not a giant social experiment. It is a fighting force. Screening out who fights in our military is just common sense. I personally don't see serving in the military as a constitutional right.[/quote]







i did not bring race into it. you are implying race because the shooter was of arab decent and i said why not just kick out white christians because it seems you would be more comfortable if that was all the service was made up of, white christians, because obviouslty the muslims can not be trusted... :roll:

you can't think of any christians killing americans in the name of jesus? how about eric rudolph? how about the guy that killed dr tiller? how about this whole war on terror? its mostly american christians killing middle eastern muslims pure and simple.

you say we should screen who gets in the service. i what way? are you talking doing religious screening, mental aptitude screening or what? remember, bush allowed the lowering of the standards for admittance in to the service a few years ago so we can keep our numbers up, and we still had a shortage of troops. when you lower standards you risk letting in bad eggs, but if you raise them you run the risk of a shrinking fighting force. what do you suggest we do?

fuck

porchmonkey77 wrote:

This piece of garbage yelled "Allah Akbar" before he shot our troops, and the news today is saying that for years he attended the same mosque as many of the 9/11 highjackers. This is enough for me.

enough for what? to label it an act of terrorism? so because he allegedly attended the same mosque as the 9/11 hijackers and apparently yelled Allahu Akbar, it's terrorism? So if he had not done either of those things, it would not be terrorism? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I always thought of terrorism as more of an act than an intention.

The US military, in my opinion, (and I know it won't be a popular opinion), should no longer accept Muslims. I know that 95% of Muslims are peace-loving people. I get that. I also know that non-Muslims have committed horrible acts, i.e. Tim McVeigh. But enough is enough. I have friends in the military that I don't want to see killed by some maniac within their ranks.

It's a good thing your opinion doesn't matter because you hold a disgusting thought. No offense, but you're a moron. I am trying to refrain from insults as much as I can, but this is just so discriminatory to the point where it's borderline hilarious and it has to be satirical. Should all Muslims be put in internment camps while we're at it?

fuck

Shawshank wrote:

There is such a fear about doing or saying anything that might be deemed racist or insensitive against Muslims.

You must be joking.

gimmesometruth27

Shawshank wrote:

Having known some of the victims and people involved in this event, it's hard not to argue that in many ways political correctness is at the very least somewhat responsible. People in command that had the ability to take action when they saw the warning signs didn't do anything. Why? I can't help but believe they were afraid of the backlash and condemnation that it would bring. That is where political correctness becomes our downfall. There is such a fear about doing or saying anything that might be deemed racist or insensitive against Muslims. If this had a been a Christian whack job, doing this in the name of Jesus, and he had been handing out Bibles that morning, you can rest assured he would have been called a Christian Extremist.

I'm not saying you should put all muslims in internment camps, or boot them out of the Army. I'm just saying that as citizens, Christian, Jewish, Muslim or whatever, we need to be vigilant for the safety and security of everyone.

if people in command saw warning signs and did nothing then they are just as guilty. that is negiligence.

phillypjhead

i did not bring race into it. you are implying race because the shooter was of arab decent and i said why not just kick out white christians because it seems you would be more comfortable if that was all the service was made up of, white christians, because obviouslty the muslims can not be trusted... :roll:

you can't think of any christians killing americans in the name of jesus? how about eric rudolph? how about the guy that killed dr tiller? how about this whole war on terror? its mostly american christians killing middle eastern muslims pure and simple.

you say we should screen who gets in the service. i what way? are you talking doing religious screening, mental aptitude screening or what? remember, bush allowed the lowering of the standards for admittance in to the service a few years ago so we can keep our numbers up, and we still had a shortage of troops. when you lower standards you risk letting in bad eggs, but if you raise them you run the risk of a shrinking fighting force. what do you suggest we do?[/quote]

I said Muslims, not Arabs, that would be racial discrimination. I'm opposed to fundamentalism regardless of what religion it attaches itself to. But to my knowledge, America is not at war with radical Buddhism or radical Judaism right now. He wasn't shouting "Yahweh Akbar!"
We already do mental screening of soldiers, but obviously it's not enough. A blanket ban on Muslims regardless of skin color would eliminate this particular risk to our troops. They already sacrifice enough, the last thing they need is an enemy within their own ranks. I'm sorry my opinion is not PC. This man did not get in to the service because of Bush lowering standards, he was already in the army prior to 9-11 so I don't really get that point.
I must say, I'm enjoying our discussion, and unlike some other posters you haven't resorted to name-calling and I respect that.

phillypjhead

if people in command saw warning signs and did nothing then they are just as guilty. that is negiligence.[/quote]

We agree very much on this one. Did you see Meet the Press yesterday? They had Gen Casey on, he was asked about the warning signs, and he said something along the lines of that the military "didn't miss this one". Are you kidding me?

catefrances

actually id be more concerned with the moderates of all religions that allow extremists to foment their bullshit and get ahold of those vulnerable to such views. tis no good sitting there after the event saying 'fundamentlaist extremists dont reflect what our religion is about' if up to that point youve done nothing to counter or criticise them.

phillypjhead

This is not a matter of 1 or 2 bad apples. A couple years ago, this question was asked to 1050 Muslim adults in the US: "Some people think that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are justified in order to defend Islam from its enemies. Other people believe that, no matter what the reason, this kind of violence is never justified.

"Do you personally feel that this kind of violence is often justified to defend Islam, sometimes justified, rarely justified or never justified?"

The results may shock some people. "The survey found 26 percent of younger Muslims believed suicide bombings are often, sometimes or rarely justified"

So, basically, 1 out of 4 YOUNG AMERICAN MUSLIMS is OK with SUICIDE BOMBINGS. Exactly what is to be GAINED from their presence in our military?????

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ ... 3620070522

WaveCameCrashin

Shawshank wrote:

Having known some of the victims and people involved in this event, it's hard not to argue that in many ways political correctness is at the very least somewhat responsible. People in command that had the ability to take action when they saw the warning signs didn't do anything. Why? I can't help but believe they were afraid of the backlash and condemnation that it would bring. That is where political correctness becomes our downfall. There is such a fear about doing or saying anything that might be deemed racist or insensitive against Muslims. If this had a been a Christian whack job, doing this in the name of Jesus, and he had been handing out Bibles that morning, you can rest assured he would have been called a Christian Extremist.

I'm not saying you should put all muslims in internment camps, or boot them out of the Army. I'm just saying that as citizens, Christian, Jewish, Muslim or whatever, we need to be vigilant for the safety and security of everyone.