That's great he offered but it does not work that way. You sign a legal contract in which they send you to school and then you return with payment as service. Pretty simple.
If someone believes that the contract eventually comes in violation of their morals, then you have to respect a man who sticks with his morals. How he then carries out his reaction is a different story, but to say he was obligated (and should have) gone to Iraq is wrong.
This I can actually agree with ... There is more to morals than signing legally binding agreements. My issue is with how this man chose to take a stand, assuming that he did indeed make a rational choice.
Interesting that Obama can know what every single American is thinking.
Let's face it, these shootings happen all the time. The 'entire' nation isn't grieving. The entire nation (minus those directly involved) is just going about it's usual business, and the majority of people couldn't give a fuck.
our prime minister, kevin rudd said the prayers of ALL australians were with those involved. and i thought whoa there kev.. im damn certain im not praying. and i know im not the only one. it amazes me that religion sneaks in and is just taken for granted that its some homogenous entity.
I think "prayer" is just common vernacular for "our thoughts are with you" or something to that effect ... Although I agree, it has clear religious connotations.
then say thoughts. prayers is something specific to religion.
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Bullshit. The thought crossed your mind. Maybe it wasn't the first thought, but you honestly didn't wonder? I probably should have kept my emotions in check better than I did, but a political reason for this crime is a possible explanation, as is mental illness. Both need to be examined. In all honesty, the guy is probably ill. should I have used the term "obvious"? Probably not, that was a poor choice of words. You have to admit, though ... Look at who did this, look at what he supposedly said during the shootings, and honestly say that you did not have the gut reaction? If not, that maybe I have a lot to learn from you ...
if i say it didn't cross my mind, then it didn't. that's right. it didn't.
what crossed my mind was how troubled must this man have been to do what he did????? apparently he had pleaded with his superiors not to be sent to Iraq, but his requests were denied.
apparently hood is the largest military base in America, so it's reasonable to assume that hood is responsible for a sizable percentage of the tens or hundreds of thousands killed in those countries since we invaded them. over the same period, 75 soldiers have committed suicide at Fort Hood, ten in 2009 alone. don't forget he was a mental health doctor dealing with soldiers thoughts/concerns/anxieties. things that you or i could never imagine.
if the government really were concerned about all the suicides and PTSD cases, they could have prevented hasan’s murder-suicide mission before it happened. It would have been easy, he had pleaded with his superiors not to be sent to Iraq, where he was scheduled to be deployed, but his requests were denied.
he wouldn't be the first soldier at ford hood to protest the war. desertion rates have soared since the Iraq invasion. The story is still fresh and there’s a lot we don’t know, and there are still a lot of conflicting reports and confusion.
and don't forget, hasan will be tried in a military court, we will learn whatever the fuck the military wants us to learn. and you know what my friend, as a nation slipping deeper into its own amnesiac fog, the last thing some people want to learn are the painful, threatening truths.
That's great he offered but it does not work that way. You sign a legal contract in which they send you to school and then you return with payment as service. Pretty simple.
If someone believes that the contract eventually comes in violation of their morals, then you have to respect a man who sticks with his morals. How he then carries out his reaction is a different story, but to say he was obligated (and should have) gone to Iraq is wrong.
From which he could have said he was a conscientious objector, resigned his commission probably owe a lot of money and see you later. No matter he joined the US Army not the peace corps what did he think they did for a living, and he was a fucking doctor, psychiatrist to be exact it is not like he would see guts or kick in doors.
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That's great he offered but it does not work that way. You sign a legal contract in which they send you to school and then you return with payment as service. Pretty simple.
What you say is only a reflection of how SHIT your country's system is.
Surely in any civilised place if you could not fulfill a contract you signed and you offered to pay back everything you took, especially after putting in years of your life to that contract, your case would be heard.
That's great he offered but it does not work that way. You sign a legal contract in which they send you to school and then you return with payment as service. Pretty simple.
If someone believes that the contract eventually comes in violation of their morals, then you have to respect a man who sticks with his morals. How he then carries out his reaction is a different story, but to say he was obligated (and should have) gone to Iraq is wrong.
perhaps he should have thought of that BEFORE he signed any contract. the chance of being deployed to iraq or any other muslim country was/is high. surely he was aware of that. either way his actions were deplorable and should be condemned.
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That's great he offered but it does not work that way. You sign a legal contract in which they send you to school and then you return with payment as service. Pretty simple.
What you say is only a reflection of how SHIT your country's system is.
Surely in any civilised place if you could not fulfill a contract you signed and you offered to pay back everything you took, especially after putting in years of your life to that contract, your case would be heard.
It does not work that way, when he signed that contract, if he read it, he would know that. He was what 39 when this happened so that makes him 31 when he signed. He was a big boy he knew what he was getting into.
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what crossed my mind was how troubled must this man have been to do what he did????? apparently he had pleaded with his superiors not to be sent to Iraq, but his requests were denied.
apparently hood is the largest military base in America, so it's reasonable to assume that hood is responsible for a sizable percentage of the tens or hundreds of thousands killed in those countries since we invaded them. over the same period, 75 soldiers have committed suicide at Fort Hood, ten in 2009 alone. don't forget he was a mental health doctor dealing with soldiers thoughts/concerns/anxieties. things that you or i could never imagine.
if the government really were concerned about all the suicides and PTSD cases, they could have prevented hasan’s murder-suicide mission before it happened. It would have been easy, he had pleaded with his superiors not to be sent to Iraq, where he was scheduled to be deployed, but his requests were denied.
he wouldn't be the first soldier at ford hood to protest the war. desertion rates have soared since the Iraq invasion. The story is still fresh and there’s a lot we don’t know, and there are still a lot of conflicting reports and confusion.
and don't forget, hasan will be tried in a military court, we will learn whatever the fuck the military wants us to learn. and you know what my friend, as a nation slipping deeper into its own amnesiac fog, the last thing some people want to learn are the painful, threatening truths.
Could the military and government do more to take care of these guys? Absolutely. Should they have forced this guy to go overseas? Absolutely not. I think the case could have been made to hold him back for mental health reasons, if even the diagnosis was PTSD and not psychosis. Like I said, we need to learn more about his mental state at the time of the shootings. I will say that most people with combat-related PTSD (or vicarious trauma in a military context) do not commit mass murder while shouting out religious proclaimations.
I don't know ... If your take-home message is something to the tune of "the military needs to determine its own culpability in this situation" (rather than "yer mom") then I agree. We also need to look at the individual who did the crime.
That's great he offered but it does not work that way. You sign a legal contract in which they send you to school and then you return with payment as service. Pretty simple.
If someone believes that the contract eventually comes in violation of their morals, then you have to respect a man who sticks with his morals. How he then carries out his reaction is a different story, but to say he was obligated (and should have) gone to Iraq is wrong.
perhaps he should have thought of that BEFORE he signed any contract. the chance of being deployed to iraq or any other muslim country was/is high. surely he was aware of that. either way his actions were deplorable and should be condemned.
that's true, but before we make that assumption we don't really know what he was thinking. Maybe he only wanted to help those troops who returned from such places (being a psychiatrist or whatever)... how can you not respect that? maybe he never wanted to go to another country where he felt he would be violating his morals.
that's true, but before we make that assumption we don't really know what he was thinking. Maybe he only wanted to help those troops who returned from such places (being a psychiatrist or whatever)... how can you not respect that? maybe he never wanted to go to another country where he felt he would be violating his morals.
I can respect those views, if indeed they apply here. I think she was referring to his behavior. If indeed this guy only wanted to help soldiers, shooting a bunch of them is an odd decision to make. This part seems to speak directly to mental disorder or warping as a result of ideology (or both).
It does not work that way, when he signed that contract, if he read it, he would know that. He was what 39 when this happened so that makes him 31 when he signed. He was a big boy he knew what he was getting into.
Yes I realise it does not work that way. You have mentioned it and I have stated my opinion of it. I think everyone agrees that he has a major hand in it developing into what it became, but your country's system is worthy of condemnation. The system has no respect for the individuals within. Even your military has a form of capitalistic structure to it where the top in line suck the life out of, quite literally might i add, the "poorer" lower in line people.
that's true, but before we make that assumption we don't really know what he was thinking. Maybe he only wanted to help those troops who returned from such places (being a psychiatrist or whatever)... how can you not respect that? maybe he never wanted to go to another country where he felt he would be violating his morals.
If someone believes that the contract eventually comes in violation of their morals, then you have to respect a man who sticks with his morals. How he then carries out his reaction is a different story, but to say he was obligated (and should have) gone to Iraq is wrong.
perhaps he should have thought of that BEFORE he signed any contract. the chance of being deployed to iraq or any other muslim country was/is high. surely he was aware of that. either way his actions were deplorable and should be condemned.
that's true, but before we make that assumption we don't really know what he was thinking. Maybe he only wanted to help those troops who returned from such places (being a psychiatrist or whatever)... how can you not respect that? maybe he never wanted to go to another country where he felt he would be violating his morals.
absolutely. but i do wonder what these morals of his are that he feels are only now being 'violated'. he joined up so one can confidently make the assumption that he knew his work would be in the military. when your military is spread across the world like the US's is then the chance of you deploying to a foreign country is extremely high.
who knows. at some point this man made a decision to take the lives of others ostensibly to serve his own selfish needs.
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That's great he offered but it does not work that way. You sign a legal contract in which they send you to school and then you return with payment as service. Pretty simple.
If someone believes that the contract eventually comes in violation of their morals, then you have to respect a man who sticks with his morals. How he then carries out his reaction is a different story, but to say he was obligated (and should have) gone to Iraq is wrong.
This man obviously had NO morals...what kind of morals could he have had to go and shoot so many people for no reason?
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Instead of wasting my resources on unfounded speculation regarding this tragic event... I decided to focus my time and energy on something more positive.
Which is why I spent last night and this morning as a voluenteer for the USO greeting center at LAX. We greet and thank soldiers returning home from overseas deployments.
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not at all. i just thought it was fitting to your ignorant post where you make way too many assumptions.
it's being reported that he was a psychiatrist who reportedly didn't believe in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted out of the military before he was set to be deployed overseas. that doesn't make him a fundamentalist fucking psycho to use your words.
Ignorance and fear breeds mental health discrimination. thanks for confirming that.
What mental health discrimination appears in my post? That certainly wasn't my intent. You're welcome to be offended, but putting words into my mouth is another matter. In fact, I flat out said that this guy could very well be mentally ill. If he is, then he's got my sympathy. I feel different about the matter if he made an active choice to commit a crime like this in the name of God or Allah or whomever.
the fact that you automatically assumed he was a 'fundamentalist fucking pyscho' is what i have an issue with.
that was most certainly not the first thought that entered my head.
Looks like he infiltrated the American Military ( as they said they would) and because of Political correctness he got away with killing more Americans. Just Like I said in an earlier post, Political correctness will be the down fall of our country unless people start calling it as they see it.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Looks like he infiltrated the American Military ( as they said they would) and because of Political correctness he got away with killing more Americans. Just Like I said in an earlier post, Political correctness will be the down fall of our country unless people start calling it as they see it.
you can not blame this incident on political correctness. how is a concept like being politically correct going to be the downfall of of our country? seriously, first you said obama will be the downfall, then it was the healthcare bill that was going to be the downfall, and not its political correctness. you sound like chicken little "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!"
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I've seen a few posts hinting that PTSD might have been a factor. The P in PTSD stands for "Post" meaning AFTER. PTSD is the newfangled term for what they used to call "shell-shock." So, considering he had not been in a combat zone, I think we can rule out PTSD.
This piece of garbage yelled "Allah Akbar" before he shot our troops, and the news today is saying that for years he attended the same mosque as many of the 9/11 highjackers. This is enough for me.
This was an act of terrorism. Anyone remember this one? From ABC news: March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14.
The US military, in my opinion, (and I know it won't be a popular opinion), should no longer accept Muslims. I know that 95% of Muslims are peace-loving people. I get that. I also know that non-Muslims have committed horrible acts, i.e. Tim McVeigh. But enough is enough. I have friends in the military that I don't want to see killed by some maniac within their ranks.
I've seen a few posts hinting that PTSD might have been a factor. The P in PTSD stands for "Post" meaning AFTER. PTSD is the newfangled term for what they used to call "shell-shock." So, considering he had not been in a combat zone, I think we can rule out PTSD.
This piece of garbage yelled "Allah Akbar" before he shot our troops, and the news today is saying that for years he attended the same mosque as many of the 9/11 highjackers. This is enough for me.
This was an act of terrorism. Anyone remember this one? From ABC news: March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14.
The US military, in my opinion, (and I know it won't be a popular opinion), should no longer accept Muslims. I know that 95% of Muslims are peace-loving people. I get that. I also know that non-Muslims have committed horrible acts, i.e. Tim McVeigh. But enough is enough. I have friends in the military that I don't want to see killed by some maniac within their ranks.
Finally someone on here that has there eyes open!
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I've seen a few posts hinting that PTSD might have been a factor. The P in PTSD stands for "Post" meaning AFTER. PTSD is the newfangled term for what they used to call "shell-shock." So, considering he had not been in a combat zone, I think we can rule out PTSD.
This piece of garbage yelled "Allah Akbar" before he shot our troops, and the news today is saying that for years he attended the same mosque as many of the 9/11 highjackers. This is enough for me.
This was an act of terrorism. Anyone remember this one? From ABC news: March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14.
The US military, in my opinion, (and I know it won't be a popular opinion), should no longer accept Muslims. I know that 95% of Muslims are peace-loving people. I get that. I also know that non-Muslims have committed horrible acts, i.e. Tim McVeigh. But enough is enough. I have friends in the military that I don't want to see killed by some maniac within their ranks.
why don't you just kick out everyone other than white christians?
come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Looks like he infiltrated the American Military ( as they said they would) and because of Political correctness he got away with killing more Americans. Just Like I said in an earlier post, Political correctness will be the down fall of our country unless people start calling it as they see it.
you can not blame this incident on political correctness. how is a concept like being politically correct going to be the downfall of of our country? seriously, first you said obama will be the downfall, then it was the healthcare bill that was going to be the downfall, and not its political correctness. you sound like chicken little "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!"
Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I've seen a few posts hinting that PTSD might have been a factor. The P in PTSD stands for "Post" meaning AFTER. PTSD is the newfangled term for what they used to call "shell-shock." So, considering he had not been in a combat zone, I think we can rule out PTSD.
This piece of garbage yelled "Allah Akbar" before he shot our troops, and the news today is saying that for years he attended the same mosque as many of the 9/11 highjackers. This is enough for me.
This was an act of terrorism. Anyone remember this one? From ABC news: March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14.
The US military, in my opinion, (and I know it won't be a popular opinion), should no longer accept Muslims. I know that 95% of Muslims are peace-loving people. I get that. I also know that non-Muslims have committed horrible acts, i.e. Tim McVeigh. But enough is enough. I have friends in the military that I don't want to see killed by some maniac within their ranks.
why don't you just kick out everyone other than white christians?
come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....
Are you decriminating against Christians?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I've seen a few posts hinting that PTSD might have been a factor. The P in PTSD stands for "Post" meaning AFTER. PTSD is the newfangled term for what they used to call "shell-shock." So, considering he had not been in a combat zone, I think we can rule out PTSD.
This piece of garbage yelled "Allah Akbar" before he shot our troops, and the news today is saying that for years he attended the same mosque as many of the 9/11 highjackers. This is enough for me.
This was an act of terrorism. Anyone remember this one? From ABC news: March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14.
The US military, in my opinion, (and I know it won't be a popular opinion), should no longer accept Muslims. I know that 95% of Muslims are peace-loving people. I get that. I also know that non-Muslims have committed horrible acts, i.e. Tim McVeigh. But enough is enough. I have friends in the military that I don't want to see killed by some maniac within their ranks.
why don't you just kick out everyone other than white christians?
come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....
Are you decriminating against Christians?
will you read my post objectively please?? of course i am not discriminating but i was using it as an example. it is exactly the same thing that you and the other poster are advocating.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Looks like he infiltrated the American Military ( as they said they would) and because of Political correctness he got away with killing more Americans. Just Like I said in an earlier post, Political correctness will be the down fall of our country unless people start calling it as they see it.
you can not blame this incident on political correctness. how is a concept like being politically correct going to be the downfall of of our country? seriously, first you said obama will be the downfall, then it was the healthcare bill that was going to be the downfall, and not its political correctness. you sound like chicken little "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!"
Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...
what do you think i am stupid or have a short memory or something?? you have been saying obama is the downfall all along. remember his name makes him your enemy? or was that taken out of context??
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
why don't you just kick out everyone other than white christians?
come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....[/quote]
I don't know why race had to come in to this discussion. It always seems to be the "liberals" who go right to skin color.
Christians have also done awful things in the past, but I don't remember anyone killing Americans in the name of Jesus in the last, say, 10 years or so. Like the 9-11 Commission said, radical Islam has been at war with us for a generation, but we were not at war with it.
I know this is a tough issue, but the military is not a giant social experiment. It is a fighting force. Screening out who fights in our military is just common sense. I personally don't see serving in the military as a constitutional right.
Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...[/quote]
what do you think i am stupid or have a short memory or something?? you have been saying obama is the downfall all along. remember his name makes him your enemy? or was that taken out of context??[/quote]
What I said was.....
What other country would vote into office the enemy?
Just by his name alone (of course there are other reasons) he should not have been voted into the presidency or any other office in this country. Politically correctness is going to be the down fall of this country, if it’s not too late already.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...[/quote]
The downfall started before Obama. While there is some truth there, Obama is a puppet. He's a symptom of a greater disease. Our country is run by a mafia-like gang. They are called the Republicrats. Or is it the Democrublicans?
The terrorist said they were going to infiltrate our country...has everyone forgotten? They think we are idiots...and sometimes I see why...
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...
The downfall started before Obama. While there is some truth there, Obama is a puppet. He's a symptom of a greater disease. Our country is run by a mafia-like gang. They are called the Republicrats. Or is it the Democrublicans?[/quote]
I agree.....Both
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This I can actually agree with ... There is more to morals than signing legally binding agreements. My issue is with how this man chose to take a stand, assuming that he did indeed make a rational choice.
then say thoughts. prayers is something specific to religion.
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what crossed my mind was how troubled must this man have been to do what he did????? apparently he had pleaded with his superiors not to be sent to Iraq, but his requests were denied.
apparently hood is the largest military base in America, so it's reasonable to assume that hood is responsible for a sizable percentage of the tens or hundreds of thousands killed in those countries since we invaded them. over the same period, 75 soldiers have committed suicide at Fort Hood, ten in 2009 alone. don't forget he was a mental health doctor dealing with soldiers thoughts/concerns/anxieties. things that you or i could never imagine.
if the government really were concerned about all the suicides and PTSD cases, they could have prevented hasan’s murder-suicide mission before it happened. It would have been easy, he had pleaded with his superiors not to be sent to Iraq, where he was scheduled to be deployed, but his requests were denied.
he wouldn't be the first soldier at ford hood to protest the war. desertion rates have soared since the Iraq invasion. The story is still fresh and there’s a lot we don’t know, and there are still a lot of conflicting reports and confusion.
and don't forget, hasan will be tried in a military court, we will learn whatever the fuck the military wants us to learn. and you know what my friend, as a nation slipping deeper into its own amnesiac fog, the last thing some people want to learn are the painful, threatening truths.
From which he could have said he was a conscientious objector, resigned his commission probably owe a lot of money and see you later. No matter he joined the US Army not the peace corps what did he think they did for a living, and he was a fucking doctor, psychiatrist to be exact it is not like he would see guts or kick in doors.
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What you say is only a reflection of how SHIT your country's system is.
Surely in any civilised place if you could not fulfill a contract you signed and you offered to pay back everything you took, especially after putting in years of your life to that contract, your case would be heard.
perhaps he should have thought of that BEFORE he signed any contract. the chance of being deployed to iraq or any other muslim country was/is high. surely he was aware of that. either way his actions were deplorable and should be condemned.
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It does not work that way, when he signed that contract, if he read it, he would know that. He was what 39 when this happened so that makes him 31 when he signed. He was a big boy he knew what he was getting into.
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Could the military and government do more to take care of these guys? Absolutely. Should they have forced this guy to go overseas? Absolutely not. I think the case could have been made to hold him back for mental health reasons, if even the diagnosis was PTSD and not psychosis. Like I said, we need to learn more about his mental state at the time of the shootings. I will say that most people with combat-related PTSD (or vicarious trauma in a military context) do not commit mass murder while shouting out religious proclaimations.
I don't know ... If your take-home message is something to the tune of "the military needs to determine its own culpability in this situation" (rather than "yer mom") then I agree. We also need to look at the individual who did the crime.
I can respect those views, if indeed they apply here. I think she was referring to his behavior. If indeed this guy only wanted to help soldiers, shooting a bunch of them is an odd decision to make. This part seems to speak directly to mental disorder or warping as a result of ideology (or both).
Yes I realise it does not work that way. You have mentioned it and I have stated my opinion of it. I think everyone agrees that he has a major hand in it developing into what it became, but your country's system is worthy of condemnation. The system has no respect for the individuals within. Even your military has a form of capitalistic structure to it where the top in line suck the life out of, quite literally might i add, the "poorer" lower in line people.
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absolutely. but i do wonder what these morals of his are that he feels are only now being 'violated'. he joined up so one can confidently make the assumption that he knew his work would be in the military. when your military is spread across the world like the US's is then the chance of you deploying to a foreign country is extremely high.
who knows. at some point this man made a decision to take the lives of others ostensibly to serve his own selfish needs.
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This man obviously had NO morals...what kind of morals could he have had to go and shoot so many people for no reason?
Which is why I spent last night and this morning as a voluenteer for the USO greeting center at LAX. We greet and thank soldiers returning home from overseas deployments.
Hail, Hail!!!
Looks like he infiltrated the American Military ( as they said they would) and because of Political correctness he got away with killing more Americans. Just Like I said in an earlier post, Political correctness will be the down fall of our country unless people start calling it as they see it.
you can not blame this incident on political correctness. how is a concept like being politically correct going to be the downfall of of our country? seriously, first you said obama will be the downfall, then it was the healthcare bill that was going to be the downfall, and not its political correctness. you sound like chicken little "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!"
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
This piece of garbage yelled "Allah Akbar" before he shot our troops, and the news today is saying that for years he attended the same mosque as many of the 9/11 highjackers. This is enough for me.
This was an act of terrorism. Anyone remember this one? From ABC news: March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14.
The US military, in my opinion, (and I know it won't be a popular opinion), should no longer accept Muslims. I know that 95% of Muslims are peace-loving people. I get that. I also know that non-Muslims have committed horrible acts, i.e. Tim McVeigh. But enough is enough. I have friends in the military that I don't want to see killed by some maniac within their ranks.
Finally someone on here that has there eyes open!
Thanks! I was waiting for the usual hatred!
why don't you just kick out everyone other than white christians?
come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Wrong. I never said Obama was the down fall but now that you mention it, I do agree...
Are you decriminating against Christians?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
come on man, how is it the american way to discriminate? your suggestion sounds logical to some, but i am sure it is quite unconstitutional to discriminate based on religious faith. you say 95% of muslims are peace loving people yet you suggest keeping all of them out of the military? that is like saying 95% of all christians are good people but lets keep them all out of the army just to be on the safe side.....[/quote]
I don't know why race had to come in to this discussion. It always seems to be the "liberals" who go right to skin color.
Christians have also done awful things in the past, but I don't remember anyone killing Americans in the name of Jesus in the last, say, 10 years or so. Like the 9-11 Commission said, radical Islam has been at war with us for a generation, but we were not at war with it.
I know this is a tough issue, but the military is not a giant social experiment. It is a fighting force. Screening out who fights in our military is just common sense. I personally don't see serving in the military as a constitutional right.
what do you think i am stupid or have a short memory or something?? you have been saying obama is the downfall all along. remember his name makes him your enemy? or was that taken out of context??[/quote]
What I said was.....
What other country would vote into office the enemy?
Just by his name alone (of course there are other reasons) he should not have been voted into the presidency or any other office in this country. Politically correctness is going to be the down fall of this country, if it’s not too late already.
The downfall started before Obama. While there is some truth there, Obama is a puppet. He's a symptom of a greater disease. Our country is run by a mafia-like gang. They are called the Republicrats. Or is it the Democrublicans?
The downfall started before Obama. While there is some truth there, Obama is a puppet. He's a symptom of a greater disease. Our country is run by a mafia-like gang. They are called the Republicrats. Or is it the Democrublicans?[/quote]
I agree.....Both