Maybe I'm wrong but I have a feeling there will be much to learn about the shooter, his background and his motives. I'm glad that at least he survived and can be held accountable. Usually so many answers die with the perpetrator. The whole thing just sickens me but I don't want to speculate about it. I think of tragedies like Columbine where so many of the initial reports about the shooters turned out to be inaccurate but are still accepted as truths by many people.
But I just can't get past the senselessness of this.
I am really quite disturbed by this but am trying hard to look past the most obvious explanation until we get more info ... Meaning, the guy is another Islamic fundamentalist fucking psycho like the people who cannot even read a political cartoon with declaring a Jihad. I mean, this man is a fucking psychiatrist. He took an oath to heal and help people, and instead he took the route of a cowardly fanatic shooting unarmed men. Was he psychotic and therefore not choosing his actions? I hope so, because that would (in a weird sort of way) be less revolting than having to keep living in fear of these fanatics who think that women have no business going to high school and that sneezing at a mosque means you lose a few digits. SICK of it. Sick of these psychos who choose extremism. And sorry, its a goddamn choice, at the end of the day, unless you happen to be insane in a legal sense.
Waiting for the NRA to step in and say these could have been avoided with conceal and carry laws
How is this even a gun control issue? The guy is an officer in the US military (shockingly enough). He was going to get guns and ammo, some how, some way. Why are people acting as if this is even the issue here?
I am really quite disturbed by this but am trying hard to look past the most obvious explanation until we get more info ... Meaning, the guy is another Islamic fundamentalist fucking psycho like the people who cannot even read a political cartoon with declaring a Jihad. I mean, this man is a fucking psychiatrist. He took an oath to heal and help people, and instead he took the route of a cowardly fanatic shooting unarmed men. Was he psychotic and therefore not choosing his actions? I hope so, because that would (in a weird sort of way) be less revolting than having to keep living in fear of these fanatics who think that women have no business going to high school and that sneezing at a mosque means you lose a few digits. SICK of it. Sick of these psychos who choose extremism. And sorry, its a goddamn choice, at the end of the day, unless you happen to be insane in a legal sense.
not surprised that you have Salman Rushdie in your sig...
I am really quite disturbed by this but am trying hard to look past the most obvious explanation until we get more info ... Meaning, the guy is another Islamic fundamentalist fucking psycho like the people who cannot even read a political cartoon with declaring a Jihad. I mean, this man is a fucking psychiatrist. He took an oath to heal and help people, and instead he took the route of a cowardly fanatic shooting unarmed men. Was he psychotic and therefore not choosing his actions? I hope so, because that would (in a weird sort of way) be less revolting than having to keep living in fear of these fanatics who think that women have no business going to high school and that sneezing at a mosque means you lose a few digits. SICK of it. Sick of these psychos who choose extremism. And sorry, its a goddamn choice, at the end of the day, unless you happen to be insane in a legal sense.
not surprised that you have Salman Rushdie in your sig...
Not surprised that you're focusing on my sig and blowing off the basic issue ... Guess we're partners in not being too surprised.
I am really quite disturbed by this but am trying hard to look past the most obvious explanation until we get more info ... Meaning, the guy is another Islamic fundamentalist fucking psycho like the people who cannot even read a political cartoon with declaring a Jihad. I mean, this man is a fucking psychiatrist. He took an oath to heal and help people, and instead he took the route of a cowardly fanatic shooting unarmed men. Was he psychotic and therefore not choosing his actions? I hope so, because that would (in a weird sort of way) be less revolting than having to keep living in fear of these fanatics who think that women have no business going to high school and that sneezing at a mosque means you lose a few digits. SICK of it. Sick of these psychos who choose extremism. And sorry, its a goddamn choice, at the end of the day, unless you happen to be insane in a legal sense.
I am really quite disturbed by this but am trying hard to look past the most obvious explanation until we get more info ... Meaning, the guy is another Islamic fundamentalist fucking psycho like the people who cannot even read a political cartoon with declaring a Jihad. I mean, this man is a fucking psychiatrist. He took an oath to heal and help people, and instead he took the route of a cowardly fanatic shooting unarmed men. Was he psychotic and therefore not choosing his actions? I hope so, because that would (in a weird sort of way) be less revolting than having to keep living in fear of these fanatics who think that women have no business going to high school and that sneezing at a mosque means you lose a few digits. SICK of it. Sick of these psychos who choose extremism. And sorry, its a goddamn choice, at the end of the day, unless you happen to be insane in a legal sense.
I am really quite disturbed by this but am trying hard to look past the most obvious explanation until we get more info ... Meaning, the guy is another Islamic fundamentalist fucking psycho like the people who cannot even read a political cartoon with declaring a Jihad. I mean, this man is a fucking psychiatrist. He took an oath to heal and help people, and instead he took the route of a cowardly fanatic shooting unarmed men. Was he psychotic and therefore not choosing his actions? I hope so, because that would (in a weird sort of way) be less revolting than having to keep living in fear of these fanatics who think that women have no business going to high school and that sneezing at a mosque means you lose a few digits. SICK of it. Sick of these psychos who choose extremism. And sorry, its a goddamn choice, at the end of the day, unless you happen to be insane in a legal sense.
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Is that really all you can come up with?
not at all. i just thought it was fitting to your ignorant post where you make way too many assumptions.
it's being reported that he was a psychiatrist who reportedly didn't believe in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted out of the military before he was set to be deployed overseas. that doesn't make him a fundamentalist fucking psycho to use your words.
Ignorance and fear breeds mental health discrimination. thanks for confirming that.
I am really quite disturbed by this but am trying hard to look past the most obvious explanation until we get more info ... Meaning, the guy is another Islamic fundamentalist fucking psycho like the people who cannot even read a political cartoon with declaring a Jihad. I mean, this man is a fucking psychiatrist. He took an oath to heal and help people, and instead he took the route of a cowardly fanatic shooting unarmed men. Was he psychotic and therefore not choosing his actions? I hope so, because that would (in a weird sort of way) be less revolting than having to keep living in fear of these fanatics who think that women have no business going to high school and that sneezing at a mosque means you lose a few digits. SICK of it. Sick of these psychos who choose extremism. And sorry, its a goddamn choice, at the end of the day, unless you happen to be insane in a legal sense.
what is it that disturbs you most?? im quite disturbed by your "most obvious" explanation.
when i heard about this i thought aah shit not again. to me the fact that this man is a muslim(which i only discovered after) is neither here nor there. if he had not been identified as muslim... and i have to wonder whether he would have been described as a christian if that were the case... i wonder what your attitude would be.
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I am really quite disturbed by this but am trying hard to look past the most obvious explanation until we get more info ... Meaning, the guy is another Islamic fundamentalist fucking psycho like the people who cannot even read a political cartoon with declaring a Jihad. I mean, this man is a fucking psychiatrist. He took an oath to heal and help people, and instead he took the route of a cowardly fanatic shooting unarmed men. Was he psychotic and therefore not choosing his actions? I hope so, because that would (in a weird sort of way) be less revolting than having to keep living in fear of these fanatics who think that women have no business going to high school and that sneezing at a mosque means you lose a few digits. SICK of it. Sick of these psychos who choose extremism. And sorry, its a goddamn choice, at the end of the day, unless you happen to be insane in a legal sense.
what is it that disturbs you most?? im quite disturbed by your "most obvious" explanation.
when i heard about this i thought aah shit not again. to me the fact that this man is a muslim(which i only discovered after) is neither here nor there. if he had not been identified as muslim... and i have to wonder whether he would have been described as a christian if that were the case... i wonder what your attitude would be.
not at all. i just thought it was fitting to your ignorant post where you make way too many assumptions.
it's being reported that he was a psychiatrist who reportedly didn't believe in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted out of the military before he was set to be deployed overseas. that doesn't make him a fundamentalist fucking psycho to use your words.
Ignorance and fear breeds mental health discrimination. thanks for confirming that.
What mental health discrimination appears in my post? That certainly wasn't my intent. You're welcome to be offended, but putting words into my mouth is another matter. In fact, I flat out said that this guy could very well be mentally ill. If he is, then he's got my sympathy. I feel different about the matter if he made an active choice to commit a crime like this in the name of God or Allah or whomever.
not at all. i just thought it was fitting to your ignorant post where you make way too many assumptions.
it's being reported that he was a psychiatrist who reportedly didn't believe in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted out of the military before he was set to be deployed overseas. that doesn't make him a fundamentalist fucking psycho to use your words.
Ignorance and fear breeds mental health discrimination. thanks for confirming that.
What mental health discrimination appears in my post? That certainly wasn't my intent. You're welcome to be offended, but putting words into my mouth is another matter. In fact, I flat out said that this guy could very well be mentally ill. If he is, then he's got my sympathy. I feel different about the matter if he made an active choice to commit a crime like this in the name of God or Allah or whomever.
and then you made the leap to this being the case with your most obvious explanation.
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what is it that disturbs you most?? im quite disturbed by your "most obvious" explanation.
when i heard about this i thought aah shit not again. to me the fact that this man is a muslim(which i only discovered after) is neither here nor there. if he had not been identified as muslim... and i have to wonder whether he would have been described as a christian if that were the case... i wonder what your attitude would be.
I am not sure. Ask me the next time a Christian does something like this in the name of God. I'll probably feel just as pissed off and scared. You know what, I don't really wish to apologize for feeling that religious extremism in any form is a problem and a toxic force. I also shouldn't have to put a caveat onto every post saying that I only mean people who think that murder is righteous in a religious sense (even though that is exactly who I mean). All organized religions have their pros and cons, and truth be told, there aren't that many differences across them in this regard. Religion is actually a healthy force ... When it remains moderate, tolerant, and personally-relevant. When it becomes politicized, polarized, and completely moralistic, that's where the problems lie. And yes, you're damn straight that I am talking about radical Islam. If you want me to preface every post with "And radical Christians too", sure, fair enough.
and then you made the leap to this being the case with your most obvious explanation.
Indeed I did. Yelling "Allah Akbar" and then shooting a bunch of soldiers involved in two pretty unpopular wars sounds ... dare I say it ... Political!
not at all. i just thought it was fitting to your ignorant post where you make way too many assumptions.
it's being reported that he was a psychiatrist who reportedly didn't believe in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted out of the military before he was set to be deployed overseas. that doesn't make him a fundamentalist fucking psycho to use your words.
Ignorance and fear breeds mental health discrimination. thanks for confirming that.
What mental health discrimination appears in my post? That certainly wasn't my intent. You're welcome to be offended, but putting words into my mouth is another matter. In fact, I flat out said that this guy could very well be mentally ill. If he is, then he's got my sympathy. I feel different about the matter if he made an active choice to commit a crime like this in the name of God or Allah or whomever.
the fact that you automatically assumed he was a 'fundamentalist fucking pyscho' is what i have an issue with.
that was most certainly not the first thought that entered my head.
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not at all. i just thought it was fitting to your ignorant post where you make way too many assumptions.
it's being reported that he was a psychiatrist who reportedly didn't believe in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted out of the military before he was set to be deployed overseas. that doesn't make him a fundamentalist fucking psycho to use your words.
Ignorance and fear breeds mental health discrimination. thanks for confirming that.
What mental health discrimination appears in my post? That certainly wasn't my intent. You're welcome to be offended, but putting words into my mouth is another matter. In fact, I flat out said that this guy could very well be mentally ill. If he is, then he's got my sympathy. I feel different about the matter if he made an active choice to commit a crime like this in the name of God or Allah or whomever.
the fact that you automatically assumed he was a 'fundamentalist fucking pyscho' is what i have an issue with.
that was most certainly not the first thought that entered my head.
Bullshit. The thought crossed your mind. Maybe it wasn't the first thought, but you honestly didn't wonder? I probably should have kept my emotions in check better than I did, but a political reason for this crime is a possible explanation, as is mental illness. Both need to be examined. In all honesty, the guy is probably ill. should I have used the term "obvious"? Probably not, that was a poor choice of words. You have to admit, though ... Look at who did this, look at what he supposedly said during the shootings, and honestly say that you did not have the gut reaction? If not, that maybe I have a lot to learn from you ...
[\quote]not at all. i just thought it was fitting to your ignorant post where you make way too many assumptions.
it's being reported that he was a psychiatrist who reportedly didn't believe in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted out of the military before he was set to be deployed overseas. that doesn't make him a fundamentalist fucking psycho to use your words.
Ignorance and fear breeds mental health discrimination. thanks for confirming that.[/quote]
So he did not want to deploy, so instead he shot up a bunch of innocent people. There are many ways out of deploying. He signed a contract to fulfill an obligation in return for schooling as a Psychiatrist. In the world of bailouts I know it is hard to understand but if you sign this agreement with Uncle Sam he expects you to hold your part up.
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desperate people have been known...to render desperate deeds.
to quote a song.,
but that's the truth. this system drives us to terrible things.
we are all human. it could have been you. or me.
i moved to a new department at work today, and i was comforted to hear my new co-worker say that the reason people "lose it" as what happened in fort hood yesterday and in orlando today is because "people don't have respect for one another anymore". i was comforted that he understood that, because not enough people do. it's a sad reality. blaming and condemning the psycho killer is not enough.
So he did not want to deploy, so instead he shot up a bunch of innocent people. There are many ways out of deploying. He signed a contract to fulfill an obligation in return for schooling as a Psychiatrist. In the world of bailouts I know it is hard to understand but if you sign this agreement with Uncle Sam he expects you to hold your part up.
Well, I think there's a difference between someone having a true psychotic illness and doing something over which they have no real control, versus taking this kind of a drastic approach to not going overseas. I don't feel that this guy deserves any sympathy for commiting mass murder unless he's got a bona fide mental illness that left him unable to make reasonable moral decisions. That's my position. I am sorry if the term "fundamenlist psycho" offended ... Psychopaths are not insane in a legal sense (although they are mentally ill) and the criminal justice system deals with them as if they are criminal offenders rather than patients. That is the same approach that should be taken here.
I am really quite disturbed by this but am trying hard to look past the most obvious explanation until we get more info ... Meaning, the guy is another Islamic fundamentalist fucking psycho like the people who cannot even read a political cartoon with declaring a Jihad. I mean, this man is a fucking psychiatrist. He took an oath to heal and help people, and instead he took the route of a cowardly fanatic shooting unarmed men. Was he psychotic and therefore not choosing his actions? I hope so, because that would (in a weird sort of way) be less revolting than having to keep living in fear of these fanatics who think that women have no business going to high school and that sneezing at a mosque means you lose a few digits. SICK of it. Sick of these psychos who choose extremism. And sorry, its a goddamn choice, at the end of the day, unless you happen to be insane in a legal sense.
not surprised that you have Salman Rushdie in your sig...
Not surprised that you're focusing on my sig and blowing off the basic issue ... Guess we're partners in not being too surprised.
that doesn't make any sense. I am clearly addressing the issue because my statement was a reflection of what you said. perhaps you would have preferred me to write "based on what you wrote above, I am not surprised that you have Salman Rushdie in your sig..."
However, you made the incorrect assumption that I blew off the "basic issue" (whatever that is supposed to mean). That's wrong though since my statement is a direct reflection OF the basic issue. On the other hand, your statement about me is put into no context whatsoever except your own and is based on absolutely nothing.
As for the basic issue, it is your insensitivity to issues specific to Muslims that is painfully apparent in your post. You can argue that you share the same basic ideas across the spectrum (whether with Christians, or any other religion), but the fact remains that you have been exposed to Muslim "extremism" as reported by the media. To make myself more clear, where do you draw the line of extremism? Let us assume that the shootings that took place at Fort Hood were part of an Islamic Fundamentalist movement. Can you group that into the same category as the reaction to the Danish cartoons? you seem to imply this in your post. if so, then how can you compare those two? Just because they both MAY have something to do with Islam does not automatically categorize them into a section titled "Acts committed under Islamic fundamentalism." However, this is what Western media often tries to have you picture. If you don't group them into the same category because they are on different "levels," then do you have different levels of fundamentalism? What does it take for something to be committed under "Islamic fundamentalism" for you? The problem isn't your wording of your paragraph, it's the philosophy behind it. Your quoting Salman Rushdie in your sig is just further evidence of your idea that anything can be considered Islamic fundamentalism, from "forcing" women to cover their hair to reacting strongly against intentionally disrespectful cartoons to shootings and bombs.
So he did not want to deploy, so instead he shot up a bunch of innocent people. There are many ways out of deploying. He signed a contract to fulfill an obligation in return for schooling as a Psychiatrist. In the world of bailouts I know it is hard to understand but if you sign this agreement with Uncle Sam he expects you to hold your part up.
im thinking its a little more than not wanting to deploy. as for uncle sam expecting you to hold your end up... the last thing id want in a warzone is someone who doesnt want to be there. be he a soldier or a psychiatrist.
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Interesting that Obama can know what every single American is thinking.
Let's face it, these shootings happen all the time. The 'entire' nation isn't grieving. The entire nation (minus those directly involved) is just going about it's usual business, and the majority of people couldn't give a fuck.
[\quote]not at all. i just thought it was fitting to your ignorant post where you make way too many assumptions.
it's being reported that he was a psychiatrist who reportedly didn't believe in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted out of the military before he was set to be deployed overseas. that doesn't make him a fundamentalist fucking psycho to use your words.
Ignorance and fear breeds mental health discrimination. thanks for confirming that.
So he did not want to deploy, so instead he shot up a bunch of innocent people. There are many ways out of deploying. He signed a contract to fulfill an obligation in return for schooling as a Psychiatrist. In the world of bailouts I know it is hard to understand but if you sign this agreement with Uncle Sam he expects you to hold your part up.
im thinking its a little more than not wanting to deploy. as for uncle sam expecting you to hold your end up... the last thing id want in a warzone is someone who doesnt want to be there. be he a soldier or a psychiatrist.[/quote]
There should be no sympathy for this piece of garbage. I dont care if you are for against or no opinion on the wars. If he survives his wounds I cannot wait for him to meet Bubba in Levinworth over and over again until his death sentence. Also I would not care if he was Italian, Polish German and or Muslim a total disgrace of the uniform is what he really is.
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You seem to be arguing that my views have been tainted by the media ... And maybe they have. But what if I simply reject religious extremism because I've done readings, had my own experiences, and made up my own mind? Yes, I think that extreme forms of Islam are toxic. My opinion. You may disagree. By all means.
So he did not want to deploy, so instead he shot up a bunch of innocent people. There are many ways out of deploying. He signed a contract to fulfill an obligation in return for schooling as a Psychiatrist. In the world of bailouts I know it is hard to understand but if you sign this agreement with Uncle Sam he expects you to hold your part up.
Actually he offered to pay back all the expenses for his schooling as long as he does not get deployed to Iraq. Sounds like a fair deal to me.
"His aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Virginia, said he had asked to be discharged from the army for several years and had offered to pay back the cost of his medical training rather than be sent to Iraq. She said he had endured name-calling and harassment about his Muslim faith for years after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001."
Interesting that Obama can know what every single American is thinking.
Let's face it, these shootings happen all the time. The 'entire' nation isn't grieving. The entire nation (minus those directly involved) is just going about it's usual business, and the majority of people couldn't give a fuck.
our prime minister, kevin rudd said the prayers of ALL australians were with those involved. and i thought whoa there kev.. im damn certain im not praying. and i know im not the only one. it amazes me that religion sneaks in and is just taken for granted that the nation is some homogenous entity.
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Interesting that Obama can know what every single American is thinking.
Let's face it, these shootings happen all the time. The 'entire' nation isn't grieving. The entire nation (minus those directly involved) is just going about it's usual business, and the majority of people couldn't give a fuck.
our prime minister, kevin rudd said the prayers of ALL australians were with those involved. and i thought whoa there kev.. im damn certain im not praying. and i know im not the only one. it amazes me that religion sneaks in and is just taken for granted that its some homogenous entity.
I think "prayer" is just common vernacular for "our thoughts are with you" or something to that effect ... Although I agree, it has clear religious connotations.
So he did not want to deploy, so instead he shot up a bunch of innocent people. There are many ways out of deploying. He signed a contract to fulfill an obligation in return for schooling as a Psychiatrist. In the world of bailouts I know it is hard to understand but if you sign this agreement with Uncle Sam he expects you to hold your part up.
Actually he offered to pay back all the expenses for his schooling as long as he does not get deployed to Iraq. Sounds like a fair deal to me.
"His aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Virginia, said he had asked to be discharged from the army for several years and had offered to pay back the cost of his medical training rather than be sent to Iraq. She said he had endured name-calling and harassment about his Muslim faith for years after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001."
That's great he offered but it does not work that way. You sign a legal contract in which they send you to school and then you return with payment as service. Pretty simple.
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That's great he offered but it does not work that way. You sign a legal contract in which they send you to school and then you return with payment as service. Pretty simple.
If someone believes that the contract eventually comes in violation of their morals, then you have to respect a man who sticks with his morals. How he then carries out his reaction is a different story, but to say he was obligated (and should have) gone to Iraq is wrong.
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But I just can't get past the senselessness of this.
How is this even a gun control issue? The guy is an officer in the US military (shockingly enough). He was going to get guns and ammo, some how, some way. Why are people acting as if this is even the issue here?
Not surprised that you're focusing on my sig and blowing off the basic issue ... Guess we're partners in not being too surprised.
Is that really all you can come up with?
it's being reported that he was a psychiatrist who reportedly didn't believe in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted out of the military before he was set to be deployed overseas. that doesn't make him a fundamentalist fucking psycho to use your words.
Ignorance and fear breeds mental health discrimination. thanks for confirming that.
what is it that disturbs you most?? im quite disturbed by your "most obvious" explanation.
when i heard about this i thought aah shit not again. to me the fact that this man is a muslim(which i only discovered after) is neither here nor there. if he had not been identified as muslim... and i have to wonder whether he would have been described as a christian if that were the case... i wonder what your attitude would be.
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What mental health discrimination appears in my post? That certainly wasn't my intent. You're welcome to be offended, but putting words into my mouth is another matter. In fact, I flat out said that this guy could very well be mentally ill. If he is, then he's got my sympathy. I feel different about the matter if he made an active choice to commit a crime like this in the name of God or Allah or whomever.
and then you made the leap to this being the case with your most obvious explanation.
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I am not sure. Ask me the next time a Christian does something like this in the name of God. I'll probably feel just as pissed off and scared. You know what, I don't really wish to apologize for feeling that religious extremism in any form is a problem and a toxic force. I also shouldn't have to put a caveat onto every post saying that I only mean people who think that murder is righteous in a religious sense (even though that is exactly who I mean). All organized religions have their pros and cons, and truth be told, there aren't that many differences across them in this regard. Religion is actually a healthy force ... When it remains moderate, tolerant, and personally-relevant. When it becomes politicized, polarized, and completely moralistic, that's where the problems lie. And yes, you're damn straight that I am talking about radical Islam. If you want me to preface every post with "And radical Christians too", sure, fair enough.
Indeed I did. Yelling "Allah Akbar" and then shooting a bunch of soldiers involved in two pretty unpopular wars sounds ... dare I say it ... Political!
that was most certainly not the first thought that entered my head.
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Bullshit. The thought crossed your mind. Maybe it wasn't the first thought, but you honestly didn't wonder? I probably should have kept my emotions in check better than I did, but a political reason for this crime is a possible explanation, as is mental illness. Both need to be examined. In all honesty, the guy is probably ill. should I have used the term "obvious"? Probably not, that was a poor choice of words. You have to admit, though ... Look at who did this, look at what he supposedly said during the shootings, and honestly say that you did not have the gut reaction? If not, that maybe I have a lot to learn from you ...
it's being reported that he was a psychiatrist who reportedly didn't believe in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted out of the military before he was set to be deployed overseas. that doesn't make him a fundamentalist fucking psycho to use your words.
Ignorance and fear breeds mental health discrimination. thanks for confirming that.[/quote]
So he did not want to deploy, so instead he shot up a bunch of innocent people. There are many ways out of deploying. He signed a contract to fulfill an obligation in return for schooling as a Psychiatrist. In the world of bailouts I know it is hard to understand but if you sign this agreement with Uncle Sam he expects you to hold your part up.
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i moved to a new department at work today, and i was comforted to hear my new co-worker say that the reason people "lose it" as what happened in fort hood yesterday and in orlando today is because "people don't have respect for one another anymore". i was comforted that he understood that, because not enough people do. it's a sad reality. blaming and condemning the psycho killer is not enough.
Well, I think there's a difference between someone having a true psychotic illness and doing something over which they have no real control, versus taking this kind of a drastic approach to not going overseas. I don't feel that this guy deserves any sympathy for commiting mass murder unless he's got a bona fide mental illness that left him unable to make reasonable moral decisions. That's my position. I am sorry if the term "fundamenlist psycho" offended ... Psychopaths are not insane in a legal sense (although they are mentally ill) and the criminal justice system deals with them as if they are criminal offenders rather than patients. That is the same approach that should be taken here.
However, you made the incorrect assumption that I blew off the "basic issue" (whatever that is supposed to mean). That's wrong though since my statement is a direct reflection OF the basic issue. On the other hand, your statement about me is put into no context whatsoever except your own and is based on absolutely nothing.
As for the basic issue, it is your insensitivity to issues specific to Muslims that is painfully apparent in your post. You can argue that you share the same basic ideas across the spectrum (whether with Christians, or any other religion), but the fact remains that you have been exposed to Muslim "extremism" as reported by the media. To make myself more clear, where do you draw the line of extremism? Let us assume that the shootings that took place at Fort Hood were part of an Islamic Fundamentalist movement. Can you group that into the same category as the reaction to the Danish cartoons? you seem to imply this in your post. if so, then how can you compare those two? Just because they both MAY have something to do with Islam does not automatically categorize them into a section titled "Acts committed under Islamic fundamentalism." However, this is what Western media often tries to have you picture. If you don't group them into the same category because they are on different "levels," then do you have different levels of fundamentalism? What does it take for something to be committed under "Islamic fundamentalism" for you? The problem isn't your wording of your paragraph, it's the philosophy behind it. Your quoting Salman Rushdie in your sig is just further evidence of your idea that anything can be considered Islamic fundamentalism, from "forcing" women to cover their hair to reacting strongly against intentionally disrespectful cartoons to shootings and bombs.
im thinking its a little more than not wanting to deploy. as for uncle sam expecting you to hold your end up... the last thing id want in a warzone is someone who doesnt want to be there. be he a soldier or a psychiatrist.
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'US President Barack Obama has said the "entire nation" is grieving after a shooting that killed 13 people at a Texas army base.'
Interesting that Obama can know what every single American is thinking.
Let's face it, these shootings happen all the time. The 'entire' nation isn't grieving. The entire nation (minus those directly involved) is just going about it's usual business, and the majority of people couldn't give a fuck.
im thinking its a little more than not wanting to deploy. as for uncle sam expecting you to hold your end up... the last thing id want in a warzone is someone who doesnt want to be there. be he a soldier or a psychiatrist.[/quote]
There should be no sympathy for this piece of garbage. I dont care if you are for against or no opinion on the wars. If he survives his wounds I cannot wait for him to meet Bubba in Levinworth over and over again until his death sentence. Also I would not care if he was Italian, Polish German and or Muslim a total disgrace of the uniform is what he really is.
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You seem to be arguing that my views have been tainted by the media ... And maybe they have. But what if I simply reject religious extremism because I've done readings, had my own experiences, and made up my own mind? Yes, I think that extreme forms of Islam are toxic. My opinion. You may disagree. By all means.
Actually he offered to pay back all the expenses for his schooling as long as he does not get deployed to Iraq. Sounds like a fair deal to me.
This is stated in the article below:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/war-strikes ... -i25e.html
"His aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Virginia, said he had asked to be discharged from the army for several years and had offered to pay back the cost of his medical training rather than be sent to Iraq. She said he had endured name-calling and harassment about his Muslim faith for years after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001."
our prime minister, kevin rudd said the prayers of ALL australians were with those involved. and i thought whoa there kev.. im damn certain im not praying. and i know im not the only one. it amazes me that religion sneaks in and is just taken for granted that the nation is some homogenous entity.
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I think "prayer" is just common vernacular for "our thoughts are with you" or something to that effect ... Although I agree, it has clear religious connotations.
That's great he offered but it does not work that way. You sign a legal contract in which they send you to school and then you return with payment as service. Pretty simple.
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