Perhaps the reason why there is no rush to voice concern is because it is not those groups that have been constantly targeted by foreign armies such as your own and killed by the thousands, if not millions.
I am not American, for the record. I will say that soldiers are not the cause of the problem you speak of ... Politicians are.
That is irrelevant. The issue is which group is being killed not who the "real" killers are.
Besides the fact that your statement is irrelevant, soldiers are not mindless drones that do the bidding of a person in a higher position. I'm sure they understand their actions when they bomb the shit out of civilians with their video game drones.
Perhaps the reason why there is no rush to voice concern is because it is not those groups that have been constantly targeted by foreign armies such as your own and killed by the thousands, if not millions.
I am not American, for the record. I will say that soldiers are not the cause of the problem you speak of ... Politicians are.
That is irrelevant. The issue is which group is being killed not who the "real" killers are.
Besides the fact that your statement is irrelevant, soldiers are not mindless drones that do the bidding of a person in a higher position. I'm sure they understand their actions when they bomb the shit out of civilians with their video game drones.
Irrelevant, are you kidding!.....and you nothing about the American Military ....what an ignorant post
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
That is irrelevant. The issue is which group is being killed not who the "real" killers are.
Besides the fact that your statement is irrelevant, soldiers are not mindless drones that do the bidding of a person in a higher position. I'm sure they understand their actions when they bomb the shit out of civilians with their video game drones.
Irrelevant, are you kidding!.....and you nothing about the American Military ....what an ignorant post
...
So... you are saying... our soldiers ARE mindless drones with no conscience.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
That is irrelevant. The issue is which group is being killed not who the "real" killers are.
Besides the fact that your statement is irrelevant, soldiers are not mindless drones that do the bidding of a person in a higher position. I'm sure they understand their actions when they bomb the shit out of civilians with their video game drones.
Irrelevant, are you kidding!.....and you nothing about the American Military ....what an ignorant post
...
So... you are saying... our soldiers ARE mindless drones with no conscience.
I'm tired I guess. My bad
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I happen to think that many of your contributions to this thread are irrelevant, but I decided not to say so initially because these things are often in the eye of the beholder. Anyhow, what I said was not irrelevant (in my view) because I was directly responding to some of your points around the responsibility of soldiers. When a rejoinder occurs, in direct response to what someone else said, said rejoinder is not irrelevant.
Who used the term "mindless drones" in the first place? I said that politicians decide when war is declared and therefore bear the ultimate responsibility for lives lost, and I stand by this statement. I'm pretty sure I've seen you make similar arguments, Cosmo, so am I not sure why you're jumping in when aerial posts a comment but not when NoK acts like I'm smoking the crack. I can agree that soldiers are not mindless drones, and that's not what I meant. Apparently if NoK had his way, everyone would quit the US military, and the fact that most soldiers have not done so means they are all horrible babykillers with no moral compass. Oh wait ... That's ridiculous hyperbole, right? Cool ... I expect the same courtesy, then. I didn't say they were mindless drones.
I happen to think that many of your contributions to this thread are irrelevant, but I decided not to say so initially because these things are often in the eye of the beholder. Anyhow, what I said was not irrelevant (in my view) because I was directly responding to some of your points around the responsibility of soldiers. When a rejoinder occurs, in direct response to what someone else said, said rejoinder is not irrelevant.
How about I point out to you in a step by step basis so you can understand.
1) You said why don't people condemn others who generalise about white people, Israel, Christians
2) I responded perhaps because they are not the ones being killed by the thousands, and millions
3) You said "Yes but politicians are those doing the killing not soldiers"
What the fuck does that have to do with anything in this specific debate we had? Now do you understand why your response is irrelevant?
Who used the term "mindless drones" in the first place? I said that politicians decide when war is declared and therefore bear the ultimate responsibility for lives lost, and I stand by this statement. I'm pretty sure I've seen you make similar arguments, Cosmo, so am I not sure why you're jumping in when aerial posts a comment but not when NoK acts like I'm smoking the crack. I can agree that soldiers are not mindless drones, and that's not what I meant. Apparently if NoK had his way, everyone would quit the US military, and the fact that most soldiers have not done so means they are all horrible babykillers with no moral compass. Oh wait ... That's ridiculous hyperbole, right? Cool ... I expect the same courtesy, then. I didn't say they were mindless drones.
If I had my way every military in the world will become an internal police force sort of like what Switzlerland has. Then an international force made up of different countries will constitute a world police force for international problems and emergencies. I guess my ways are shit and its better to just have wars though and kill millions of people.
How about I point out to you in a step by step basis so you can understand.
1) You said why don't people condemn others who generalise about white people, Israel, Christians
2) I responded perhaps because they are not the ones being killed by the thousands, and millions
3) You said "Yes but politicians are those doing the killing not soldiers"
What the fuck does that have to do with anything in this specific debate we had? Now do you understand why your response is irrelevant?
Um, not quite. You missed the part where you slipped in the "foreign militaries" reference ... That was the portion I was responding to. It was a pretty clear reference to the culpability of soldiers, a conclusion further bolstered by your reference to mindless drones. I didn't respond to the rest because ... Well, because, what would be the point? If you think overgeneralizations about some groups are acceptable because of historical context, fine. I disagree, and fail to see how promoting reactance in said groups by pointing fingers left, right, and center is somehow going to produce positive change.
If I had my way every military in the world will become an internal police force sort of like what Switzlerland has. Then an international force made up of different countries will constitute a world police force for international problems and emergencies. I guess my ways are shit and its better to just have wars though and kill millions of people.
Your ideas (e.g., the notion of an international force) probably have some merit. Its your attitude that's shit. I didn't start cussing and telling you all your posts are irrelevant.
Your ideas (e.g., the notion of an international force) probably have some merit. Its your attitude that's shit. I didn't start cussing and telling you all your posts are irrelevant.
Frankly, I couldn't give two shits what you think about my attitude. And where exactly did I say all your posts are irrelevant? So saying one of your answers is irrelevant means all are? Hahaha for a person so sensitive about generalizations you seem pretty keen on doing them yourself hotshot.
Um, not quite. You missed the part where you slipped in the "foreign militaries" reference ... That was the portion I was responding to. It was a pretty clear reference to the culpability of soldiers, a conclusion further bolstered by your reference to mindless drones. I didn't respond to the rest because ... Well, because, what would be the point? If you think overgeneralizations about some groups are acceptable because of historical context, fine. I disagree, and fail to see how promoting reactance in said groups by pointing fingers left, right, and center is somehow going to produce positive change.
Is this your way of saying you ignored the rest of the post because you have no valid or useful answer? Noted.
Mind you, there was no "clear reference" to the culpability of soldiers in my post, only your mind trying to see what it wants. If I was targeting individual soldiers in my post I would have used the word SOLDIERS not MILITARY in general. Regardless, since you seem to be missing the actual point of the post I will repeat it to you and put it in bold.
The point of the post was the people being targeted not who is targeting them. Do you get it now or do you want me to repeat it again?
And finally, quit trying to act like I said generalizations were OK. Trying to give my posts some sort of negative connotation so your post doesn't seem as irrelevant as it actually was. I said people don't rush to condemn these generalizations about certain groups not that those generalizations were OK. Do you get it now or do you want me to repeat another time?
A hero soldier was shot twelve times as he tried to charge down an army officer who launched a shooting rampage at his base killing thirteen people, a court martial heard today.
Another victim of accused shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan was pregnant when she was gunned down by the Muslim psychiatrist who also inured 30 people when he opened fire in a crowded medical building at Fort Hood Texas in 2009.
Spc. Frederick Greene was shot 12 times during the attack, Lt. Col. Phillip Berran told the judge after reviewing photos of the soldier’s body before jurors were led into the courtroom at Fort Hood. When asked by a prosecutor if his findings were consistent with Greene 'charging the shooter,' the pathologist responded: 'Yes, it is.'
Witnesses testified earlier in the trial that they would hear Velez crying out, 'My baby! My baby!' during the shootings.
A hero soldier was shot twelve times as he tried to charge down an army officer who launched a shooting rampage at his base killing thirteen people, a court martial heard today.
Another victim of accused shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan was pregnant when she was gunned down by the Muslim psychiatrist who also inured 30 people when he opened fire in a crowded medical building at Fort Hood Texas in 2009.
Spc. Frederick Greene was shot 12 times during the attack, Lt. Col. Phillip Berran told the judge after reviewing photos of the soldier’s body before jurors were led into the courtroom at Fort Hood. When asked by a prosecutor if his findings were consistent with Greene 'charging the shooter,' the pathologist responded: 'Yes, it is.'
Witnesses testified earlier in the trial that they would hear Velez crying out, 'My baby! My baby!' during the shootings.
What a crock of shit justice system the military has, 4 fucking years to try this piece of shit.
Over 20 kids get shot and people are lining up with excuses, a "Muslim" goes on a shooting spree in a fucking army base and some of you are having a shit attack.
An army base, how unamerican of him, picking on people capable of fighting back. Had he been a white Christian American, maybe a shopping mall, theatre, college, school etc...and normality would be restored.
A hero soldier was shot twelve times as he tried to charge down an army officer who launched a shooting rampage at his base killing thirteen people, a court martial heard today.
Another victim of accused shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan was pregnant when she was gunned down by the Muslim psychiatrist who also inured 30 people when he opened fire in a crowded medical building at Fort Hood Texas in 2009.
Spc. Frederick Greene was shot 12 times during the attack, Lt. Col. Phillip Berran told the judge after reviewing photos of the soldier’s body before jurors were led into the courtroom at Fort Hood. When asked by a prosecutor if his findings were consistent with Greene 'charging the shooter,' the pathologist responded: 'Yes, it is.'
Witnesses testified earlier in the trial that they would hear Velez crying out, 'My baby! My baby!' during the shootings.
What a crock of shit justice system the military has, 4 fucking years to try this piece of shit.
Over 20 kids get shot and people are lining up with excuses, a "Muslim" goes on a shooting spree in a fucking army base and some of you are having a shit attack.
An army base, how unamerican of him, picking on people capable of fighting back. Had he been a white Christian American, maybe a shopping mall, theatre, college, school etc...and normality would be restored.
are you saying that the fact that the shooter is a muslim has nothing to do with his attack ?
in most any other country this piece of shit would already be dead,
or are you saying that because he is a muslim people are more upset over this mess ? you guys nailed me for my muslim comments in the past....maybe I was not totally wrong,there is a movement going on to declare muslims in the US as a terrorist group and it's getting pretty hard to turn away from the fact that there is major muslim problem here in the states.
and the "white christians" don't seem to be the problem...when was the last time you saw a "white Christian" suiside bomber ?
A hero soldier was shot twelve times as he tried to charge down an army officer who launched a shooting rampage at his base killing thirteen people, a court martial heard today.
Another victim of accused shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan was pregnant when she was gunned down by the Muslim psychiatrist who also inured 30 people when he opened fire in a crowded medical building at Fort Hood Texas in 2009.
Spc. Frederick Greene was shot 12 times during the attack, Lt. Col. Phillip Berran told the judge after reviewing photos of the soldier’s body before jurors were led into the courtroom at Fort Hood. When asked by a prosecutor if his findings were consistent with Greene 'charging the shooter,' the pathologist responded: 'Yes, it is.'
Witnesses testified earlier in the trial that they would hear Velez crying out, 'My baby! My baby!' during the shootings.
What a crock of shit justice system the military has, 4 fucking years to try this piece of shit.
Over 20 kids get shot and people are lining up with excuses, a "Muslim" goes on a shooting spree in a fucking army base and some of you are having a shit attack.
An army base, how unamerican of him, picking on people capable of fighting back. Had he been a white Christian American, maybe a shopping mall, theatre, college, school etc...and normality would be restored.
The people that were shot were unarmed,due to military policy they were not allowed to carry personal firearms on the base. Perhaps you should educate yourself before you make another one of your useless posts.
Where's the Medal of Honor for Spc Greene or even a Purple Heart which shamefully has not been awarded to any of the victims who were killed that day.
This wasn't an act of war or terror. According to the Obama administration it is merely workplace violence.
At a memorial service five days after Hasan’s lethal assault, President Obama eulogized those who had died. “This is a time of war,” he said. One by one he described those who had given the last full measure of devotion. “Here, at Fort Hood, we pay tribute to 13 men and women who were not able to escape the horror of war, even in the comfort of home.”
Comments
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... tion-yahoo
That is irrelevant. The issue is which group is being killed not who the "real" killers are.
Besides the fact that your statement is irrelevant, soldiers are not mindless drones that do the bidding of a person in a higher position. I'm sure they understand their actions when they bomb the shit out of civilians with their video game drones.
So... you are saying... our soldiers ARE mindless drones with no conscience.
Hail, Hail!!!
I happen to think that many of your contributions to this thread are irrelevant, but I decided not to say so initially because these things are often in the eye of the beholder. Anyhow, what I said was not irrelevant (in my view) because I was directly responding to some of your points around the responsibility of soldiers. When a rejoinder occurs, in direct response to what someone else said, said rejoinder is not irrelevant.
Who used the term "mindless drones" in the first place? I said that politicians decide when war is declared and therefore bear the ultimate responsibility for lives lost, and I stand by this statement. I'm pretty sure I've seen you make similar arguments, Cosmo, so am I not sure why you're jumping in when aerial posts a comment but not when NoK acts like I'm smoking the crack. I can agree that soldiers are not mindless drones, and that's not what I meant. Apparently if NoK had his way, everyone would quit the US military, and the fact that most soldiers have not done so means they are all horrible babykillers with no moral compass. Oh wait ... That's ridiculous hyperbole, right? Cool ... I expect the same courtesy, then. I didn't say they were mindless drones.
How about I point out to you in a step by step basis so you can understand.
1) You said why don't people condemn others who generalise about white people, Israel, Christians
2) I responded perhaps because they are not the ones being killed by the thousands, and millions
3) You said "Yes but politicians are those doing the killing not soldiers"
What the fuck does that have to do with anything in this specific debate we had? Now do you understand why your response is irrelevant?
If I had my way every military in the world will become an internal police force sort of like what Switzlerland has. Then an international force made up of different countries will constitute a world police force for international problems and emergencies. I guess my ways are shit and its better to just have wars though and kill millions of people.
Um, not quite. You missed the part where you slipped in the "foreign militaries" reference ... That was the portion I was responding to. It was a pretty clear reference to the culpability of soldiers, a conclusion further bolstered by your reference to mindless drones. I didn't respond to the rest because ... Well, because, what would be the point? If you think overgeneralizations about some groups are acceptable because of historical context, fine. I disagree, and fail to see how promoting reactance in said groups by pointing fingers left, right, and center is somehow going to produce positive change.
Your ideas (e.g., the notion of an international force) probably have some merit. Its your attitude that's shit. I didn't start cussing and telling you all your posts are irrelevant.
Frankly, I couldn't give two shits what you think about my attitude. And where exactly did I say all your posts are irrelevant? So saying one of your answers is irrelevant means all are? Hahaha for a person so sensitive about generalizations you seem pretty keen on doing them yourself hotshot.
Is this your way of saying you ignored the rest of the post because you have no valid or useful answer? Noted.
Mind you, there was no "clear reference" to the culpability of soldiers in my post, only your mind trying to see what it wants. If I was targeting individual soldiers in my post I would have used the word SOLDIERS not MILITARY in general. Regardless, since you seem to be missing the actual point of the post I will repeat it to you and put it in bold.
The point of the post was the people being targeted not who is targeting them. Do you get it now or do you want me to repeat it again?
And finally, quit trying to act like I said generalizations were OK. Trying to give my posts some sort of negative connotation so your post doesn't seem as irrelevant as it actually was. I said people don't rush to condemn these generalizations about certain groups not that those generalizations were OK. Do you get it now or do you want me to repeat another time?
Another victim of accused shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan was pregnant when she was gunned down by the Muslim psychiatrist who also inured 30 people when he opened fire in a crowded medical building at Fort Hood Texas in 2009.
Spc. Frederick Greene was shot 12 times during the attack, Lt. Col. Phillip Berran told the judge after reviewing photos of the soldier’s body before jurors were led into the courtroom at Fort Hood. When asked by a prosecutor if his findings were consistent with Greene 'charging the shooter,' the pathologist responded: 'Yes, it is.'
Witnesses testified earlier in the trial that they would hear Velez crying out, 'My baby! My baby!' during the shootings.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2c8jyWuvR
What a crock of shit justice system the military has, 4 fucking years to try this piece of shit.
And I noticed in one of the links to the side that Luca Magnotta has set up a fan site where losers can tell him how awesome he is.
One guy kills to become a martyr. One guy kills to be famous.
And the best we can offer their victims as justice are extended trials, internet, exercise, hot meals, and massages.
While many thumbs are up- wishing for reasonable treatment for these two shitbaggers- my thumb is emphatically down.
Over 20 kids get shot and people are lining up with excuses, a "Muslim" goes on a shooting spree in a fucking army base and some of you are having a shit attack.
An army base, how unamerican of him, picking on people capable of fighting back. Had he been a white Christian American, maybe a shopping mall, theatre, college, school etc...and normality would be restored.
are you saying that the fact that the shooter is a muslim has nothing to do with his attack ?
in most any other country this piece of shit would already be dead,
or are you saying that because he is a muslim people are more upset over this mess ? you guys nailed me for my muslim comments in the past....maybe I was not totally wrong,there is a movement going on to declare muslims in the US as a terrorist group and it's getting pretty hard to turn away from the fact that there is major muslim problem here in the states.
and the "white christians" don't seem to be the problem...when was the last time you saw a "white Christian" suiside bomber ?
Godfather.
The people that were shot were unarmed,due to military policy they were not allowed to carry personal firearms on the base. Perhaps you should educate yourself before you make another one of your useless posts.
This wasn't an act of war or terror. According to the Obama administration it is merely workplace violence.
I share your opinion of obama according to your earlier posts, in my opinion he is usless as a bor hog with teets
Godfather.
At a memorial service five days after Hasan’s lethal assault, President Obama eulogized those who had died. “This is a time of war,” he said. One by one he described those who had given the last full measure of devotion. “Here, at Fort Hood, we pay tribute to 13 men and women who were not able to escape the horror of war, even in the comfort of home.”
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2013 ... story.html
Obama
Wow Obama gets the blame for this too
Godfather.
Godfather.
truth
Reading about how some of these people were shot / killed is sickening.
found this surfing the interweb......
Godfather.