jesus was at bathurst :shock:, i bet that got some cheers from the yobbos on the hill.
the team didn't do so well, i guess jeebus doesn't love them anymore...
or at least some yobbos that where on the hill thought the watched jesus race in bathurst
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I can't wait for the aliens to land and tell them that there is no god, but we are all in fact part of a universal consciousness.. at least, thats my theory.
I can't wait for the aliens to land and tell them that there is no god, but we are all in fact part of a universal consciousness.. at least, thats my theory.
I can't wait for the aliens to land and tell them that there is no god, but we are all in fact part of a universal consciousness.. at least, thats my theory.
and balloon boy's parents' theory!!!
Oh hell no!.. I think I've been proved wrong then!
I wasted some time over the weekend and read the 50 pages. The feeling I get is the guy who wrote is a fundamentalist as his whole major point was something can not come from nothing, therefore everything had to be created by some creator. Overall it felt like it was written by a two year old, granted they may have come up with something better that may have actually made the point that was trying to be made.
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It's up to you to prove that god exists, not for us to prove that god does not exists.
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i'm calling B.S on this one. There is way to much in this thread to respond to everything i'd like to. Besides i vowed to stay out of this type of thing a long time ago. THIS is one of the dumbest arguments i've ever heard, however. Theism and atheism are both beliefs. i BELIEVE God exists. The atheist BELIEVES God does not. The burden of proof, if there is such a thing, falls on both sides.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
It's up to you to prove that god exists, not for us to prove that god does not exists.
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i'm calling B.S on this one. There is way to much in this thread to respond to everything i'd like to. Besides i vowed to stay out of this type of thing a long time ago. THIS is one of the dumbest arguments i've ever heard, however. Theism and atheism are both beliefs. i BELIEVE God exists. The atheist BELIEVES God does not. The burden of proof, if there is such a thing, falls on both sides.
It is however impossible to prove a negative. I.E one cannot prove the world wasn't created by a flying spaghetti monster.
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Astronomy is like religion repellant...mind blowing shit
Horse shit. Astronomy buttresses faith rather well. The order of the universe is astounding. The absolute pinpoint, perfect calibration of gravity, for example, reduces one to speechlessness. Gravity is calibrated in such a precise manner that the slightest movement, in either direction, renders life on earth unsustainable. A gnat's cunthair, so to speak, of movement in one direction and we would be literally crushed. The same slight movement in the other direction and life cannot happen for other reasons i, admittedly, can't fully explain. That as well as many other astronomical truths serves as faith attractant much more than repellant.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
he atheist BELIEVES God does not. The burden of proof, if there is such a thing, falls on both sides.
It is however impossible to prove a negative. I.E one cannot prove the world wasn't created by a flying spaghetti monster.[/quote]
Nonsense. Biggest cop-out i've ever heard. How about this: i do not believe God does not exist. There. i have, according to your standards, completely relieved myself of any burden of proof.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
he atheist BELIEVES God does not. The burden of proof, if there is such a thing, falls on both sides.
It is however impossible to prove a negative. I.E one cannot prove the world wasn't created by a flying spaghetti monster.
Nonsense. Biggest cop-out i've ever heard. How about this: i do not believe God does not exist. There. i have, according to your standards, completely relieved myself of any burden of proof.[/quote]
Double negative is just a positive...
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i'm aware of this. i was aware of it when i posted. The point is still made. That point being that the " burden of proof is solely on the theist" argument is pure poppycock.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
the burdern of proof as you put it must go as follows (this is not limited to religion):
1) in the event there is no proof to positively identify something's existence, it is up to the person who believes it to exist to prove it (i.e: God)
2) in the event there is proof positive that something exists, it is up to the non-believer to prove it does not. (i.e: gravity)
Since there is NO PROOF that God exists, it's up to the believers to prove it.
The only problem is, the theists feel that they do have proof (the "look around you" argument), and atheists disagree.
It's an endless argument.
We can say "have you seen God?". They can say "have you seen a molecule?". Blah blah blah.
There is no God TO ME until I see him/hear him/have a beer with him while we discuss the complexities of the plot of Lost.
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Astronomy is like religion repellant...mind blowing shit
Horse shit. Astronomy buttresses faith rather well. The order of the universe is astounding. The absolute pinpoint, perfect calibration of gravity, for example, reduces one to speechlessness. Gravity is calibrated in such a precise manner that the slightest movement, in either direction, renders life on earth unsustainable. A gnat's cunthair, so to speak, of movement in one direction and we would be literally crushed. The same slight movement in the other direction and life cannot happen for other reasons i, admittedly, can't fully explain. That as well as many other astronomical truths serves as faith attractant much more than repellant.
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Astronomy is like religion repellant...mind blowing shit
Horse shit. Astronomy buttresses faith rather well. The order of the universe is astounding. The absolute pinpoint, perfect calibration of gravity, for example, reduces one to speechlessness. Gravity is calibrated in such a precise manner that the slightest movement, in either direction, renders life on earth unsustainable. A gnat's cunthair, so to speak, of movement in one direction and we would be literally crushed. The same slight movement in the other direction and life cannot happen for other reasons i, admittedly, can't fully explain. That as well as many other astronomical truths serves as faith attractant much more than repellant.
yeah, science sure is a wonder, isn't it?
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Any scientist will tell you he knows HOW something works, not WHY something works. What a futile and endless argument....
I think that's a bit far, but science has basis in fact. Last time I checked, faith has basis in nothing of the sort.
And I see no evidence that Mike Seaver is not an idiot.
I'm not knocking faith. I think it also has its merits, but are you actually saying that we shouldn't believe proven science? And I'm not talking in the context of this particular argument, as Evolution is still called "Theory" for a reason.
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There is no God TO ME until I see him/hear him/have a beer with him while we discuss the complexities of the plot of Lost.
this seriously made me laugh.
and, what if she prefers wine and discussing seinfeld?
I'd also be more than happy to oblige HER!
well alrighty then.
as to the science/religion debate, i only like to periferally commment b/c 1. it really isn't important to me tho i find the discusions usually interesting, thus why i read 2. i think both can be well argued. science is very much based in theories too. yes more can and is 'proven' in science, but even there.....it's still within the realm of what is known and within our understanding. that changes constantly, so what was proven yesterday may be unproven tomorrow. thus why scientists are so careful with their language. organized religion is the root of many, many horrible things....but it is also a huge part of human history and amazingly beautiful things in this world too. so yea, i try to simply respect religion AND science.
as to the science/religion debate, i only like to periferally commment b/c 1. it really isn't important to me tho i find the discusions usually interesting, thus why i read 2. i think both can be well argued. science is very much based in theories too. yes more can and is 'proven' in science, but even there.....it's still within the realm of what is known and within our understanding. that changes constantly, so what was proven yesterday may be unproven tomorrow. thus why scientists are so careful with their language. organized religion is the root of many, many horrible things....but it is also a huge part of human history and amazingly beautiful things in this world too. so yea, i try to simply respect religion AND science.
Extremely well put.
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fundamentalist jammists.
take a good look
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the team didn't do so well, i guess jeebus doesn't love them anymore...
or at least some yobbos that where on the hill thought the watched jesus race in bathurst
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jesus just cant drive thats all.
take a good look
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i swear officer i only had my offical quota of 1 slab a day. :shock:
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"that's it son, your driving privileges are OVER" says God.
thats ok dad... i can teleport into tortillas, so surely i can fly, right??
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'ok, but i swear, if you turn another lake into wine and come home pissed out of your mind again... i'll put a lightning bolt up your ass!'
how the hell could they crucify someone who was capable of turning water into wine. that right there is surely the greatest crime of all.
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i'm calling B.S on this one. There is way to much in this thread to respond to everything i'd like to. Besides i vowed to stay out of this type of thing a long time ago. THIS is one of the dumbest arguments i've ever heard, however. Theism and atheism are both beliefs. i BELIEVE God exists. The atheist BELIEVES God does not. The burden of proof, if there is such a thing, falls on both sides.
Nonsense. Biggest cop-out i've ever heard. How about this: i do not believe God does not exist. There. i have, according to your standards, completely relieved myself of any burden of proof.
Nonsense. Biggest cop-out i've ever heard. How about this: i do not believe God does not exist. There. i have, according to your standards, completely relieved myself of any burden of proof.[/quote]
Double negative is just a positive...
i'm aware of this. i was aware of it when i posted. The point is still made. That point being that the " burden of proof is solely on the theist" argument is pure poppycock.
1) in the event there is no proof to positively identify something's existence, it is up to the person who believes it to exist to prove it (i.e: God)
2) in the event there is proof positive that something exists, it is up to the non-believer to prove it does not. (i.e: gravity)
Since there is NO PROOF that God exists, it's up to the believers to prove it.
The only problem is, the theists feel that they do have proof (the "look around you" argument), and atheists disagree.
It's an endless argument.
We can say "have you seen God?". They can say "have you seen a molecule?". Blah blah blah.
There is no God TO ME until I see him/hear him/have a beer with him while we discuss the complexities of the plot of Lost.
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this seriously made me laugh.
and, what if she prefers wine and discussing seinfeld?
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
wow
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I'd also be more than happy to oblige HER!
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yeah, science sure is a wonder, isn't it?
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Believe it or you are ignorant!!! :roll:
Any scientist will tell you he knows HOW something works, not WHY something works. What a futile and endless argument....
I think that's a bit far, but science has basis in fact. Last time I checked, faith has basis in nothing of the sort.
And I see no evidence that Mike Seaver is not an idiot.
I'm not knocking faith. I think it also has its merits, but are you actually saying that we shouldn't believe proven science? And I'm not talking in the context of this particular argument, as Evolution is still called "Theory" for a reason.
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well alrighty then.
as to the science/religion debate, i only like to periferally commment b/c 1. it really isn't important to me tho i find the discusions usually interesting, thus why i read 2. i think both can be well argued. science is very much based in theories too. yes more can and is 'proven' in science, but even there.....it's still within the realm of what is known and within our understanding. that changes constantly, so what was proven yesterday may be unproven tomorrow. thus why scientists are so careful with their language. organized religion is the root of many, many horrible things....but it is also a huge part of human history and amazingly beautiful things in this world too. so yea, i try to simply respect religion AND science.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Extremely well put.
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