Christian version of Darwin's Origin of Species

haffajappa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN9zpf5c ... r_embedded

What if atheists published a 50 page introduction to the bible?
Why can't Christians let people have their beliefs?

Gern Blansten

wow....I can't fathom the lack of brain function required to believe that crap

gimmesometruth27

haffajappa wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN9zpf5cT0M&feature=player_embedded

What if atheists published a 50 page introduction to the bible?
Why can't Christians let people have their beliefs?

they feel it is their duty to "save" people.

man kirk cameron is such a douche.

i like how it said "due to the number of atheists not being cordial in their responses, all comments have been disabled." lol, they can present their side of things but refuse to allow criticism of their message....how typical...what a joke...

haffajappa

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN9zpf5cT0M&feature=player_embedded

What if atheists published a 50 page introduction to the bible?
Why can't Christians let people have their beliefs?

they feel it is their duty to "save" people.

man kirk cameron is such a douche.

i like how it said "due to the number of atheists not being cordial in their responses, all comments have been disabled." lol, they can present their side of things but refuse to allow criticism of their message....how typical...what a joke...

that it is.
Can you actually do that to written work, or did any copyright laws exist when Darwin published his works? Certainly anything in modern times you wouldn't be able to legally publish a person's work in an instance such as this without having permissions and copyrights?

tvismyfriend

I totally agree with him that people should hear both sides of the issue. Although, I've got a feeling they wouldn't appreciate it if people went to churches and started handing out copies of the original Origin of Species.

Songburst

As much of a whacked out idea it is to add a religious preface to the Origin of Species, it's totally OK to present this garbage to young adults who for the most part have the capacity to make a semi-informed decision for themselves. My problem is with people or groups like this who force religion on their young children who know no better than to trust that what adults tell them is true.

I only wish that I could live long enough to see the obsolesence of religion. Not that I think that people will treat each other any better but all the dogmatic brainwashing has got to go. People like Kirk Cameron really are scary. I can't help but wonder what his agenda really is. What benefit is it to peddle fundamentalist Christian beliefs to people?

Prince Of Dorkness

tvismyfriend wrote:

I totally agree with him that people should hear both sides of the issue. Although, I've got a feeling they wouldn't appreciate it if people went to churches and started handing out copies of the original Origin of Species.

OK, here's both sides of the issue...

1) Evolution is scientific fact. It's real. No two ways about it. It's not a "theory" and it's not a "side of the issue."

2) Creationism, "Intelligent design" and Adam & Eve is horse shit. It's also not a "theory," it's just made up horse shit.

The only reason there is an "issue" is because some people are too scared to admit that God didn't make the rivers, the lakes or, for that matter, anything.

South of Seattle

So who's gonna post a video response of Zeitgeist?

catefrances

tvismyfriend wrote:

I totally agree with him that people should hear both sides of the issue. Although, I've got a feeling they wouldn't appreciate it if people went to churches and started handing out copies of the original Origin of Species.

but both sides already know the other side. some may choose to totally ignore it cause it offends their sensibilities. but nonetheless they are aware that 'the other side' exists.

Gern Blansten

Jasunmark wrote:

tvismyfriend wrote:

I totally agree with him that people should hear both sides of the issue. Although, I've got a feeling they wouldn't appreciate it if people went to churches and started handing out copies of the original Origin of Species.

OK, here's both sides of the issue...

1) Evolution is scientific fact. It's real. No two ways about it. It's not a "theory" and it's not a "side of the issue."

2) Creationism, "Intelligent design" and Adam & Eve is horse shit. It's also not a "theory," it's just made up horse shit.

The only reason there is an "issue" is because some people are too scared to admit that God didn't make the rivers, the lakes or, for that matter, anything.

yeah that's pretty much it

haffajappa

Jasunmark wrote:

The only reason there is an "issue" is because some people are too scared to admit that God didn't make the rivers, the lakes or, for that matter, anything.

I've often wondered - and in regards to the 61% of university professors being atheists or whatever - how much of my lecture hall or class are christians, and how they feel about being taught about things that go against the bible in classes like archaeology or geography or any other subject that might teach the age of the earth and the civilizations and species before us...

Gern Blansten

yeah my first question would be "why do 61% of professors reject religion?"

I went to college convinced to either strenghten my religious beliefs or reject them....after a few courses in Philosophy, Anthropology and especially Astronomy I was able to reject them completely.

Astronomy is like religion repellant...mind blowing shit

he still stands

Gern Blansten wrote:

Astronomy is like religion repellant...mind blowing shit

I really got into astronomy a few years ago and, paradoxically, it gave me MORE evidence for the existence of "god." But yes, a thorough knowledge of astronomy or any other hard science sort of throws mud in the face of western religion.

Gern Blansten

he still stands wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

Astronomy is like religion repellant...mind blowing shit

I really got into astronomy a few years ago and, paradoxically, it gave me MORE evidence for the existence of "god." But yes, a thorough knowledge of astronomy or any other hard science sort of throws mud in the face of western religion.

please share this evidence as you are the only one that apparently holds it

VINNY GOOMBA

he still stands wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

Astronomy is like religion repellant...mind blowing shit

I really got into astronomy a few years ago and, paradoxically, it gave me MORE evidence for the existence of "god."

I'm with ya. I believe it simply broadens the definition of GOD to be more like "The Force" that gets mentioned in Star Wars, rather than an old dude with a beard (but hey, why not? Maybe He / She / It takes on different forms to different people?). I think there is probably greater dispute over what to call our creator than the fact that we were all created by something, and that we all really come from the same place. It's like the concept of "infinity." You know it exists, but it just blows your mind to think about it.

Cosmo

One possible outcome could be... Science leads Mankind to the existance of God, not religion.
Maybe God wants us to use the fruit of the tree of knowledge to find Him.
...
P.S. 'Intelligent Design' is to Science... as Astrology is to Astronomy.
If 'Intelligent Design' is accepted as Science, so should Astrology.

he still stands

My evidence? Just a few:

A detailed understanding of the big bang theory shows us that it only provides information after the "bang" and before it scientists call it a "singularity" or infinitive gravity, density, and heat. This "singularity" just appeared with no scientific explanation and it seems to have been created. We still have no idea how everything came into being.

What we see as "reality" is just one of many realities and possibly infinite dimensions of space and time. Not only are we infinitely small, we are infinitely big, and have infinitely possible other lives existing simulataneously in other universes. Really try to grasp this and then try to take yourself seriously.

I have seen what I call the "cosmic vibration" and have witnessed at least one or two alternate universes. I absolutely trust my senses, and while I was "hallucinating," these experiences were witnessed by my friends exactly as I remember them. We all came away from the first experience thinking that -somehow- was pretty good evidence for the existence of a "god."

Spend a day looking at those deep field view pictures of space. Look at the beauty of everything. In fact, spend a day outside in the woods just walking and talking with a loved one. Get lost in the woods. Look at the beauty of everything.

Now, I probably have more evidence to support god NOT existing, but that would be a drag to think about all day. What we think we become.

Gern Blansten

he still stands wrote:

I probably have more evidence to support god NOT existing

exactly....I don't think it's a "drag" to dismiss the idea that tooth fairies and invisible people exist

To me true beauty is the belief that they do not

he still stands

Gern Blansten wrote:

he still stands wrote:

I probably have more evidence to support god NOT existing

exactly....I don't think it's a "drag" to dismiss the idea that tooth fairies and invisible people exist

To me true beauty is the belief that they do not

Tooth fairies? Might that be a bit of a hyperbole?

Why do you "believe" that god doesn't exist? Do you have proof? If not, isn't that "belief" just as ignorant as a religious person's "faith" that god does exist? If not, why?

I believe in everything, nothing is sacred
I believe in nothing, everything is sacred

Gern Blansten

he still stands wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

he still stands wrote:

I probably have more evidence to support god NOT existing

exactly....I don't think it's a "drag" to dismiss the idea that tooth fairies and invisible people exist

To me true beauty is the belief that they do not

Tooth fairies? Might that be a bit of a hyperbole?

Why do you "believe" that god doesn't exist? Do you have proof? If not, isn't that "belief" just as ignorant as a religious person's "faith" that god does exist? If not, why?

I believe in everything, nothing is sacred
I believe in nothing, everything is sacred

people originally believed that god's were responsible for thunder and lightening...for floods, rain, snow, etc.

We have pushed god back into the furthest corners of space....I can offer no proof that god does not exist because I can offer no proof that blue monkeys don't live beneath the ocean floor and exert mind control over human beings.

he still stands

Gern Blansten wrote:

people originally believed that god's were responsible for thunder and lightening...for floods, rain, snow, etc.

We have pushed god back into the furthest corners of space....I can offer no proof that god does not exist because I can offer no proof that blue monkeys don't live beneath the ocean floor and exert mind control over human beings.

It is obvious that you think the concept of "god(s)" is silly, asinine, and inconceivable. Maybe it is...

But it is also silly (and dogmatic) to strictly adhere to a belief for which there is no proof nor could there ever be proof, since you cannot prove something does not exist.

That is my only point; be careful about "believing" in things and then spending the rest of your life dismissing the other viewpoint. As I've said on here before - atheists tend to be equally dogmatic and fanatical as fundamentalist christians about their beliefs. Sometimes it is more honest to just say, "I don't know."