The ONLY thing I don't love about BS....

CranMalReign

csickels wrote:

yeah, in fact i used the word if you read my posts. no worries, as has been pointed out, SOME of the lyrics are overtly religious (not just spiritual) like Original Sin, etc.

Come on. Still not buying this. Using a reference to a religious text as a metaphor in a non-religious context does *not* qualify a lyric as being overtly religious (or even covertly religious).

How religious is this cheezy bar pickup line: "Somebody call Heaven, because I think an angel has gone missing!" or, similarly, "Did it hurt when you fell from Heaven?"

The "foriginal sin" lyric in Johnny Guitar is in the same vain. It's a religious idea used for a completely non-religious use. Time to figure out how to use literary techniques.

Backspacer_Backer

CranMalReign wrote:

csickels wrote:

yeah, in fact i used the word if you read my posts. no worries, as has been pointed out, SOME of the lyrics are overtly religious (not just spiritual) like Original Sin, etc.

Come on. Still not buying this. Using a reference to a religious text as a metaphor in a non-religious context does *not* qualify a lyric as being overtly religious (or even covertly religious).

How religious is this cheezy bar pickup line: "Somebody call Heaven, because I think an angel has gone missing!" or, similarly, "Did it hurt when you fell from Heaven?"

The "foriginal sin" lyric in Johnny Guitar is in the same vain. It's a religious idea used for a completely non-religious use. Time to figure out how to use literary techniques.

ok, like i said, no worries. some of you are 100X more upset about me posting a point of view than I was about the lyrics. if it's such a moronic opinion, why not just ignore it really?

Shawshank

BinFrog wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

I still find it funny that some of you seem to give the impression you would no longer be fans if that was the case. Talk about shallow. Just because he said something back in 1998, doesn't mean he still holds onto that belief today.

If that is aimed at me, you twisted my words. I said the day PJ turns into a Christian Rock band is the day I move on.

No, not aimed at you at all. However, I've seen this being insinuated on other threads with a similar topic.

bigbadbill

Isn't "Sometimes" a prayer-like song? He says Dear God at the end. That aside, I still like the song. "Large fingers pushing paint...you're God and you've got big hands..."

Backspacer_Backer

bigbadbill wrote:

Isn't "Sometimes" a prayer-like song? He says Dear God at the end. That aside, I still like the song. "Large fingers pushing paint...you're God and you've got big hands..."

yeah, again, i don't dislike the songs on BS that have these references. i love sometimes too. this was never intended as an I hate BS thread. i've been one of the most vocal supporters of the album on here from day one.

blondieblue227

To the OP. I don’t think Eddie is religious at all. You don’t have to be religious to be ‘aware’ or spiritual, are whatever you want to call it.
I think the guys are at that point in their life where a lot of reflection is going on. Looking within yourself. Seeing where you are and how you got there. ...for them.
It’s beautiful.

slightofjeff

Jesus (no pun intended). Just because he says the word "original sin" doesn't make it a religious song, per se. He describes the girl on the album cover as "the TYPE of woman responsible for original sin." Meaning -- she's a temptress, like Eve. You don't have to believe in the Bible to understand the reference, or to make it. The Adam and Eve story is one everyone knows, even atheists.

In Force of Nature, Ed references the Sirens ... are you going to accuse him of being a devout believer of Greek mythology now, too?

Seriously. You need to stop. You are reaching on every one of these.

Backspacer_Backer

slightofjeff wrote:

Jesus (no pun intended). Just because he says the word "original sin" doesn't make it a religious song, per se. He describes the girl on the album cover as "the TYPE of woman responsible for original sin." Meaning -- she's a temptress, like Eve. You don't have to believe in the Bible to understand the reference, or to make it. The Adam and Eve story is one everyone knows, even atheists.

In Force of Nature, Ed references the Sirens ... are you going to accuse him of being a devout believer of Greek mythology now, too?

Seriously. You need to stop. You are reaching on every one of these.

yeah, ummm, i never said any of these songs were religious there sport. I said there were religious references within the songs, which is 100% true.

johns224

csickels wrote:

yeah, ummm, i never said any of these songs were religious there sport. I said there were religious references within the songs, which is 100% true.

Yes, there are, but I'm struggling to see what the point is. So you're saying there shouldn't be any religious references in any music you like, even if they're used in a secular context (which I would argue that all of them are)? Like I said before, you're going to limit anything that's very literate if you do that, and for what reason?

Backspacer_Backer

johns224 wrote:

csickels wrote:

yeah, ummm, i never said any of these songs were religious there sport. I said there were religious references within the songs, which is 100% true.

Yes, there are, but I'm struggling to see what the point is. So you're saying there shouldn't be any religious references in any music you like, even if they're used in a secular context (which I would argue that all of them are)? Like I said before, you're going to limit anything that's very literate if you do that, and for what reason?

no, i didn't say there shouldn't be any. just seems like there are several more than on a normal PJ album. i am not considering cancelling my 10c membership or anything, it's really not as big a deal to me as this thread turned out to be. just really started off as a curiosity for me, thought it was worth mentioning, and it obviously doesn't make me dislike the album as a whole. in fact, some of the songs with the references are some of my favorites on the record. really all you have to do is read the title of the thread to understand how i feel about it. BS is a great album, i love it thoroughly. it just threw me off a little that ed vedder is using biblical language (more than normal).

WindNoSail

csickels wrote:

Not looking to complain or criticize, I'm just curious if this bothers anybody else. I love the album, have listened to it nonstop since Friday, and the more I listen, the more I like the ENTIRE record from start to finish.

But as that process goes on, and i familiarize myself with the lyrics, Eddie's apparent new willingness to include religious (even Christian) messages in the music is a turn off to me. I don't mind anybody's religion, I just don't like it in my rock music. That's called Christian rock, and it's something I don't get into. I am glad that Ed is happy with his current life situation, and if that includes being born again or just more comfortable writing about his faith, great for him. For me as a listener, that's the one thing I would change about Backspacer. Too many soul saving and prayer references for my taste.

The only thing I don't love about Backspacer is that everyone keeps calling it BS...

I am not getting the references, honestly Ed cusses and drinks like a sailor, god bless him ....

Ledbetterman10

South of Seattle wrote:

There's religious references all over many of their previous songs.

(Although Amongst the Waves does sound like Creed's Higher)

OUCH

Backspacer_Backer

WindNoSail wrote:

The only thing I don't love about Backspacer is that everyone keeps calling it BS...

I am not getting the references, honestly Ed cusses and drinks like a sailor, god bless him ....

so does my entire family (in laws), and they are supposedly devout catholics.

blondieblue227

Ha!
Remember way back Creed said they had better lyrics than Pearl Jam?
Funny Creed was mentioned because when reading Backspacers lyrics I jokingly thought This kicks Creed’s ass!

OGT92

csickels wrote:

Not looking to complain or criticize, I'm just curious if this bothers anybody else. I love the album, have listened to it nonstop since Friday, and the more I listen, the more I like the ENTIRE record from start to finish.

But as that process goes on, and i familiarize myself with the lyrics, Eddie's apparent new willingness to include religious (even Christian) messages in the music is a turn off to me. I don't mind anybody's religion, I just don't like it in my rock music. That's called Christian rock, and it's something I don't get into. I am glad that Ed is happy with his current life situation, and if that includes being born again or just more comfortable writing about his faith, great for him. For me as a listener, that's the one thing I would change about Backspacer. Too many soul saving and prayer references for my taste.

Didn't Ed say way at the beginning (I'm talking Ten) that he leaves the lyrics to the fans own interpritations? So...this is how YOU interprited it, so it's on YOU...

slightofjeff

OGT92 wrote:

csickels wrote:

Not looking to complain or criticize, I'm just curious if this bothers anybody else. I love the album, have listened to it nonstop since Friday, and the more I listen, the more I like the ENTIRE record from start to finish.

But as that process goes on, and i familiarize myself with the lyrics, Eddie's apparent new willingness to include religious (even Christian) messages in the music is a turn off to me. I don't mind anybody's religion, I just don't like it in my rock music. That's called Christian rock, and it's something I don't get into. I am glad that Ed is happy with his current life situation, and if that includes being born again or just more comfortable writing about his faith, great for him. For me as a listener, that's the one thing I would change about Backspacer. Too many soul saving and prayer references for my taste.

Didn't Ed say way at the beginning (I'm talking Ten) that he leaves the lyrics to the fans own interpritations? So...this is how YOU interprited it, so it's on YOU...

The problem with that is, he keeps TELLING us what these songs are about. Hey Ed ... zip it!

62strat

spiritualism and religion....learn the difference.

slightofjeff

csickels wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

Jesus (no pun intended). Just because he says the word "original sin" doesn't make it a religious song, per se. He describes the girl on the album cover as "the TYPE of woman responsible for original sin." Meaning -- she's a temptress, like Eve. You don't have to believe in the Bible to understand the reference, or to make it. The Adam and Eve story is one everyone knows, even atheists.

In Force of Nature, Ed references the Sirens ... are you going to accuse him of being a devout believer of Greek mythology now, too?

Seriously. You need to stop. You are reaching on every one of these.

yeah, ummm, i never said any of these songs were religious there sport. I said there were religious references within the songs, which is 100% true.

This argument could go on forever. I guess it depends on what you mean by "religious references." If you just think the word "sin" and the word "soul" are religious references -- as opposed to spiritual references -- then I don't know what to tell you. If you don't understand how a religious reference can be used to convey a secular idea -- a la Soundgarden's "Jesus Christ Pose" -- then I don't know what to tell you.

I just don't agree with your entire premise. And I also wonder, given that there are many different ways to interpret lyrics, why you would willingly choose an interpretation that pisses you off.

yield2me

chris32482 wrote:

Are you on drugs?

got some if you need it!

OGT92

slightofjeff wrote:

The problem with that is, he keeps TELLING us what these songs are about. Hey Ed ... zip it!

True....