ok, i'll go song by song on the religious references:
Gonna see my friend: "Gonna take me an Astral Plane"
The Fixer: "I'll say your prayers. I'll take your side. I'll find us a way to make light"
Johnny Guitar: references the original sin "Foriginal sin". Clearly a Christian reference.
Just Breathe: "Hold me till I die, I'll meet you on the other side"
ATW: "I can feel like I have a soul that has been saved" Soul saving? seriously, this is not a gray area
Speed of Sound: "And yet I’m still holding tight to this dream of distant light" this is debateable, but worth considering
What frame of mind are you in where you can't handle these lyrics? What would be atheist lyrics? How depressing those most be.
it's not about atheism. i like all of pearl jam's music (as do, i assume, you.) The vast majority have no religious references.
90% of PJ's music is full of social and political b.s. I still enjoy it all. I don't necessarily like the speeches at the concerts. Why do a couple songs with questionable religious references throw you off like this? Is tolerance a word liberals preach but never use?
Irregardless of anyone's religious views I didn't realize that being anti-christianity earned someone some kind of medal of honor.
And, no, I don't find anything particularly religious about any of the lyrics....aside from maybe the reference to the other side, but the afterlife is something that has been referenced in his lyrics on several occasions.
Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
ok, i'll go song by song on the religious references:
Gonna see my friend: "Gonna take me an Astral Plane"
The Fixer: "I'll say your prayers. I'll take your side. I'll find us a way to make light"
Johnny Guitar: references the original sin "Foriginal sin". Clearly a Christian reference.
Just Breathe: "Hold me till I die, I'll meet you on the other side"
ATW: "I can feel like I have a soul that has been saved" Soul saving? seriously, this is not a gray area
Speed of Sound: "And yet I’m still holding tight to this dream of distant light" this is debateable, but worth considering
I think pretty much all of these are reaching in respects to being very "Christian" lyrics or sentiments. This is definitely not the first time taht Ed has referenced a life beyond this one. . . such notions certainly don't make this a christian rock album.
Irregardless of anyone's religious views I didn't realize that being anti-christianity earned someone some kind of medal of honor.
And, no, I don't find anything particularly religious about any of the lyrics....aside from maybe the reference to the other side, but the afterlife is something that has been referenced in his lyrics on several occasions.
(Pet peeve, sorry: Irregardless is not a word)
Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Do references to death and spirituality equate to Religion?
Not in my book they don't. these songs are about living life, not "Religion" in the organised, blinkered-vision sense. People believing in a faith is fine by me, i dont personally.
But i sure wouldnt consider any of the lines highlighted above to Religion. Its not like the Church has a copyright over spirituality or the "afterlife"/what happens after death. Lyrics about those things come from inside everyone, not from scripture or dogma.
Irregardless of anyone's religious views I didn't realize that being anti-christianity earned someone some kind of medal of honor.
And, no, I don't find anything particularly religious about any of the lyrics....aside from maybe the reference to the other side, but the afterlife is something that has been referenced in his lyrics on several occasions.
(Pet peeve, sorry: Irregardless is not a word)
actually, if you look at my post above, it is a word according to miriam webster, although they recommend using regardless in its place.
ok, i'll go song by song on the religious references:
Gonna see my friend: "Gonna take me an Astral Plane"
The Fixer: "I'll say your prayers. I'll take your side. I'll find us a way to make light"
Johnny Guitar: references the original sin "Foriginal sin". Clearly a Christian reference.
Just Breathe: "Hold me till I die, I'll meet you on the other side"
ATW: "I can feel like I have a soul that has been saved" Soul saving? seriously, this is not a gray area
Speed of Sound: "And yet I’m still holding tight to this dream of distant light" this is debateable, but worth considering
I think pretty much all of these are reaching in respects to being very "Christian" lyrics or sentiments. This is definitely not the first time taht Ed has referenced a life beyond this one. . . such notions certainly don't make this a christian rock album.
again, THE ORIGINAL SIN is directly from Genesis in the Bible. That is not a stretch. Saving the Soul is definitely religious, and likely Judeo-Christian.
Speed of Sound: "And yet I’m still holding tight to this dream of distant light" this is debateable, but worth considering
What frame of mind are you in where you can't handle these lyrics? What would be atheist lyrics? How depressing those most be.[/quote]
it's not about atheism. i like all of pearl jam's music (as do, i assume, you.) The vast majority have no religious references.[/quote]
90% of PJ's music is full of social and political b.s. I still enjoy it all. I don't necessarily like the speeches at the concerts. Why do a couple songs with questionable religious references throw you off like this? Is tolerance a word liberals preach but never use?[/quote]
angry Christian guy: it's not "throwing me off" at all. go back and read my original post. more than half of the songs on the album contain religious references. why does it "throw you off" so much that I'm pointing it out?
Irregardless of anyone's religious views I didn't realize that being anti-christianity earned someone some kind of medal of honor.
And, no, I don't find anything particularly religious about any of the lyrics....aside from maybe the reference to the other side, but the afterlife is something that has been referenced in his lyrics on several occasions.
(Pet peeve, sorry: Irregardless is not a word)
actually, if you look at my post above, it is a word according to miriam webster, although they recommend using regardless in its place.
Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.
Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.
Oh, and it's Merriam
[/quote]
Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance
I agree that there are a few religious references in the album. Speaking as a fairly "devout" atheist, I can't say it bothers me one bit, and I'd be the first one to complain alongside csickels if I thought Ed was being pro religious in any way. But I don't believe he is.
The truth of the matter is that if you're a literate person in modern America, you need to be able to use and understand religious (especially Christian) references in the proper context. Just because Ed says "I have a soul that has been saved" does not necessarily mean he even believes in a soul; it can be (and almost certainly is) strictly a metaphor. Since his primary audience lives in a predominantly Christian country, this is an effective (and poetic) way to communicate a particular feeling, and should not be taken literally. Besides, did you notice the part where he says "I *FEEL LIKE* I have a soul that has been saved"?
If Ed was the kind of lyricist who tended to write mostly literal lyrics, I might have a different opinion, but if you look over his body of work, there's no reason to believe he's being literal here or anywhere else where he uses religious language.
Besides all that - isn't it obvious just from his concert appearances over the years how he feels about religion? Just in Chicago a month ago I recall him saying "Religion's still Bad" (a pun on Bad Religion's name).
Bottom line: you really have to reach to think that Ed is religious in any sense other than a very vague spiritual one, between what he's said in appearances and in so very many lyrics that are very critical of religion.
this is the most ridiculous post about BS... and there has been some crazy competition.
Seriously- this is a guy that bashes religion at all chances he gets. He even did in Chicago a few weeks ago.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Speed of Sound: "And yet I’m still holding tight to this dream of distant light" this is debateable, but worth considering
What frame of mind are you in where you can't handle these lyrics? What would be atheist lyrics? How depressing those most be.
it's not about atheism. i like all of pearl jam's music (as do, i assume, you.) The vast majority have no religious references.[/quote]
90% of PJ's music is full of social and political b.s. I still enjoy it all. I don't necessarily like the speeches at the concerts. Why do a couple songs with questionable religious references throw you off like this? Is tolerance a word liberals preach but never use?[/quote]
angry Christian guy: it's not "throwing me off" at all. go back and read my original post. more than half of the songs on the album contain religious references. why does it "throw you off" so much that I'm pointing it out?[/quote]
Just because Ed uses "Original Sin" does not mean that he is being religious. It adds color to his description of the girl, and in no way validates that Ed believes in God or whatever. This reference bothers you?
It is one thing to be thrown off by things that aren't real (your religious take on the lyrics), versus being thrown off by idiotic comments that are real.
Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance
If you choose to keep using irregardless as a word, that's up to you. But it is an illogical double negative pairing of the prefix (ir-) and suffix (-less). What's better, saying "I don't like no nuts in my cereal" or "I don't like nuts in my cereal."
Anyway, back to an equally ridiculous topic, Eddie being born again and making Christian Rock music. :P
this is the most ridiculous post about BS... and there has been some crazy competition.
Seriously- this is a guy that bashes religion at all chances he gets. He even did in Chicago a few weeks ago.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
you should at least cite the source that you ripped off there. and no, Ed doesn't "bash religion all the chances he gets". as others have pointed out on this very thread, there ARE religious, and even specific CHRISTIAN lyrics in this album. am I saying Ed is promoting Christianity? No, I didn't say that. I did say that he referred to it in these lyrics. That's correct, whether you are intelligent enough to pick up on it or not.
Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance
If you choose to keep using irregardless as a word, that's up to you. But it is an illogical double negative pairing of the prefix (ir-) and suffix (-less). What's better, saying "I don't like no nuts in my cereal" or "I don't like nuts in my cereal."
Anyway, back to an equally ridiculous topic, Eddie being born again and making Christian Rock music. :P
i don't use it, I was pointing out to the original user of the word that it's not a standard usage. but it is a word.
I agree that there are a few religious references in the album. Speaking as a fairly "devout" atheist, I can't say it bothers me one bit, and I'd be the first one to complain alongside csickels if I thought Ed was being pro religious in any way. But I don't believe he is.
The truth of the matter is that if you're a literate person in modern America, you need to be able to use and understand religious (especially Christian) references in the proper context. Just because Ed says "I have a soul that has been saved" does not necessarily mean he even believes in a soul; it can be (and almost certainly is) strictly a metaphor. Since his primary audience lives in a predominantly Christian country, this is an effective (and poetic) way to communicate a particular feeling, and should not be taken literally. Besides, did you notice the part where he says "I *FEEL LIKE* I have a soul that has been saved"?
If Ed was the kind of lyricist who tended to write mostly literal lyrics, I might have a different opinion, but if you look over his body of work, there's no reason to believe he's being literal here or anywhere else where he uses religious language.
Besides all that - isn't it obvious just from his concert appearances over the years how he feels about religion? Just in Chicago a month ago I recall him saying "Religion's still Bad" (a pun on Bad Religion's name).
Bottom line: you really have to reach to think that Ed is religious in any sense other than a very vague spiritual one, between what he's said in appearances and in so very many lyrics that are very critical of religion.
this is a well thought out, valid post. i agree. i didn't say ed was promoting religion, but there are more religious references on this album than any past record (that are not there to bash religion).
Hmmmm well they waited until Monday last week to avoid playing during Rosh Hashana and then they are skipping playing on Sunday which starts Yom Kippur and they wait until sundown on Monday to start their show.
Hmmmm well they waited until Monday last week to avoid playing during Rosh Hashana and then they are skipping playing on Sunday which starts Yom Kippur and they wait until sundown on Monday to start their show.
Maybe their jewish (like me)
that could explain why they raised the ticket prices.
i'm sorry, but i just couldn't resist. i really hope you're not offended by that.
you should at least cite the source that you ripped off there. and no, Ed doesn't "bash religion all the chances he gets". as others have pointed out on this very thread, there ARE religious, and even specific CHRISTIAN lyrics in this album. am I saying Ed is promoting Christianity? No, I didn't say that. I did say that he referred to it in these lyrics. That's correct, whether you are intelligent enough to pick up on it or not.
Is there anyone who doesn't know thats a Billy Madison quote?
And there are religious/Christian references/lyrics/whatever in other albums too. I just can't imagine being so hateful of any religion (let alone all of them) to get uptight about it.
I know a lot of different people of many different religions and I can't say I hold it against any of them. I mean... how can you hate religion so much that a few references by a guy known to insult and repudiate religion makes you post a thread about it?
this is the most ridiculous post about BS... and there has been some crazy competition.
Seriously- this is a guy that bashes religion at all chances he gets. He even did in Chicago a few weeks ago.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
you should at least cite the source that you ripped off there. and no, Ed doesn't "bash religion all the chances he gets". as others have pointed out on this very thread, there ARE religious, and even specific CHRISTIAN lyrics in this album. am I saying Ed is promoting Christianity? No, I didn't say that. I did say that he referred to it in these lyrics. That's correct, whether you are intelligent enough to pick up on it or not.
So what is the problem then? That he uses religious references in his music but they aren't meant to promote religion? What is your beef? He can't ever use the word soul?
Hmmmm well they waited until Monday last week to avoid playing during Rosh Hashana and then they are skipping playing on Sunday which starts Yom Kippur and they wait until sundown on Monday to start their show.
Maybe their jewish (like me)
that could explain why they raised the ticket prices.
i'm sorry, but i just couldn't resist. i really hope you're not offended by that.
you should at least cite the source that you ripped off there. and no, Ed doesn't "bash religion all the chances he gets". as others have pointed out on this very thread, there ARE religious, and even specific CHRISTIAN lyrics in this album. am I saying Ed is promoting Christianity? No, I didn't say that. I did say that he referred to it in these lyrics. That's correct, whether you are intelligent enough to pick up on it or not.
Is there anyone who doesn't know thats a Billy Madison quote?
And there are religious/Christian references/lyrics/whatever in other albums too. I just can't imagine being so hateful of any religion (let alone all of them) to get uptight about it.
I know a lot of different people of many different religions and I can't say I hold it against any of them. I mean... how can you hate religion so much that a few references by a guy known to insult and repudiate religion makes you post a thread about it?
go back and read my first post and then tell me how you determined that "I hate religion", dumbass.
this is the most ridiculous post about BS... and there has been some crazy competition.
Seriously- this is a guy that bashes religion at all chances he gets. He even did in Chicago a few weeks ago.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
you should at least cite the source that you ripped off there. and no, Ed doesn't "bash religion all the chances he gets". as others have pointed out on this very thread, there ARE religious, and even specific CHRISTIAN lyrics in this album. am I saying Ed is promoting Christianity? No, I didn't say that. I did say that he referred to it in these lyrics. That's correct, whether you are intelligent enough to pick up on it or not.
So what is the problem then? That he uses religious references in his music but they aren't meant to promote religion? What is your beef? He can't ever use the word soul?
i'm convinced that many of you have serious reading comprehension deficiencies. i don't have a problem with Ed using the word soul, because that's not exclusively a religious word. i'm not going to repeat everything i've typed. go back and re-read it if you don't understand.
you should at least cite the source that you ripped off there. and no, Ed doesn't "bash religion all the chances he gets". as others have pointed out on this very thread, there ARE religious, and even specific CHRISTIAN lyrics in this album. am I saying Ed is promoting Christianity? No, I didn't say that. I did say that he referred to it in these lyrics. That's correct, whether you are intelligent enough to pick up on it or not.
Is there anyone who doesn't know thats a Billy Madison quote?
And there are religious/Christian references/lyrics/whatever in other albums too. I just can't imagine being so hateful of any religion (let alone all of them) to get uptight about it.
I know a lot of different people of many different religions and I can't say I hold it against any of them. I mean... how can you hate religion so much that a few references by a guy known to insult and repudiate religion makes you post a thread about it?
go back and read my first post and then tell me how you determined that "I hate religion", dumbass.
Do you hate religion? If not, then why do you have a problem with a few references (weak ones) to religion that aren't meant to be religious, and are spoken by someone who despises religion? You are odd.
go back and read my first post and then tell me how you determined that "I hate religion", dumbass.
"Eddie's apparent new willingness to include religious (even Christian) messages in the music is a turn off to me."
"Too many soul saving and prayer references for my taste."
It's OK to go off about war, Bush, abortion, etc... but a vague mention of religion and its a turn off?
And, btw.. just putting "I don't mind anybody's religion, I just don't like it in my rock music." doesn't just make the rest of your statements all of the sudden less abrasive.
"I admire the life Ted Kennedy had but wow he was a murdering douchebag who got away with killing a woman."
(would anyone say that I really admired Ted Kennedy? Didn't think so)
Do you hate religion? If not, then why do you have a problem with a few references (weak ones) to religion that aren't meant to be religious, and are spoken by someone who despises religion? You are odd
i just don't want it included in my rock music. religion is pretty much responsible for a large portion of the suffering that has taken place throughout the course of history. still, i don't "hate" it.
i'm not sure why this strikes you as odd, it's a pretty simple conclusion.
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90% of PJ's music is full of social and political b.s. I still enjoy it all. I don't necessarily like the speeches at the concerts. Why do a couple songs with questionable religious references throw you off like this? Is tolerance a word liberals preach but never use?
Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
I think pretty much all of these are reaching in respects to being very "Christian" lyrics or sentiments. This is definitely not the first time taht Ed has referenced a life beyond this one. . . such notions certainly don't make this a christian rock album.
(Pet peeve, sorry: Irregardless is not a word)
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Not in my book they don't. these songs are about living life, not "Religion" in the organised, blinkered-vision sense. People believing in a faith is fine by me, i dont personally.
But i sure wouldnt consider any of the lines highlighted above to Religion. Its not like the Church has a copyright over spirituality or the "afterlife"/what happens after death. Lyrics about those things come from inside everyone, not from scripture or dogma.
actually, if you look at my post above, it is a word according to miriam webster, although they recommend using regardless in its place.
again, THE ORIGINAL SIN is directly from Genesis in the Bible. That is not a stretch. Saving the Soul is definitely religious, and likely Judeo-Christian.
What frame of mind are you in where you can't handle these lyrics? What would be atheist lyrics? How depressing those most be.[/quote]
it's not about atheism. i like all of pearl jam's music (as do, i assume, you.) The vast majority have no religious references.[/quote]
90% of PJ's music is full of social and political b.s. I still enjoy it all. I don't necessarily like the speeches at the concerts. Why do a couple songs with questionable religious references throw you off like this? Is tolerance a word liberals preach but never use?[/quote]
angry Christian guy: it's not "throwing me off" at all. go back and read my original post. more than half of the songs on the album contain religious references. why does it "throw you off" so much that I'm pointing it out?
ir·re·gard·less (ĭr'ĭ-gärd'lĭs)
adv. Nonstandard
Regardless.
[Probably blend of irrespective and regardless.]
Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.
Oh, and it's Merriam
Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance
The truth of the matter is that if you're a literate person in modern America, you need to be able to use and understand religious (especially Christian) references in the proper context. Just because Ed says "I have a soul that has been saved" does not necessarily mean he even believes in a soul; it can be (and almost certainly is) strictly a metaphor. Since his primary audience lives in a predominantly Christian country, this is an effective (and poetic) way to communicate a particular feeling, and should not be taken literally. Besides, did you notice the part where he says "I *FEEL LIKE* I have a soul that has been saved"?
If Ed was the kind of lyricist who tended to write mostly literal lyrics, I might have a different opinion, but if you look over his body of work, there's no reason to believe he's being literal here or anywhere else where he uses religious language.
Besides all that - isn't it obvious just from his concert appearances over the years how he feels about religion? Just in Chicago a month ago I recall him saying "Religion's still Bad" (a pun on Bad Religion's name).
Bottom line: you really have to reach to think that Ed is religious in any sense other than a very vague spiritual one, between what he's said in appearances and in so very many lyrics that are very critical of religion.
Seriously- this is a guy that bashes religion at all chances he gets. He even did in Chicago a few weeks ago.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
it's not about atheism. i like all of pearl jam's music (as do, i assume, you.) The vast majority have no religious references.[/quote]
90% of PJ's music is full of social and political b.s. I still enjoy it all. I don't necessarily like the speeches at the concerts. Why do a couple songs with questionable religious references throw you off like this? Is tolerance a word liberals preach but never use?[/quote]
angry Christian guy: it's not "throwing me off" at all. go back and read my original post. more than half of the songs on the album contain religious references. why does it "throw you off" so much that I'm pointing it out?[/quote]
Just because Ed uses "Original Sin" does not mean that he is being religious. It adds color to his description of the girl, and in no way validates that Ed believes in God or whatever. This reference bothers you?
It is one thing to be thrown off by things that aren't real (your religious take on the lyrics), versus being thrown off by idiotic comments that are real.
If you choose to keep using irregardless as a word, that's up to you. But it is an illogical double negative pairing of the prefix (ir-) and suffix (-less). What's better, saying "I don't like no nuts in my cereal" or "I don't like nuts in my cereal."
Anyway, back to an equally ridiculous topic, Eddie being born again and making Christian Rock music.
you should at least cite the source that you ripped off there. and no, Ed doesn't "bash religion all the chances he gets". as others have pointed out on this very thread, there ARE religious, and even specific CHRISTIAN lyrics in this album. am I saying Ed is promoting Christianity? No, I didn't say that. I did say that he referred to it in these lyrics. That's correct, whether you are intelligent enough to pick up on it or not.
i don't use it, I was pointing out to the original user of the word that it's not a standard usage. but it is a word.
this is a well thought out, valid post. i agree. i didn't say ed was promoting religion, but there are more religious references on this album than any past record (that are not there to bash religion).
Maybe their jewish (like me)
that could explain why they raised the ticket prices.
i'm sorry, but i just couldn't resist. i really hope you're not offended by that.
And there are religious/Christian references/lyrics/whatever in other albums too. I just can't imagine being so hateful of any religion (let alone all of them) to get uptight about it.
I know a lot of different people of many different religions and I can't say I hold it against any of them. I mean... how can you hate religion so much that a few references by a guy known to insult and repudiate religion makes you post a thread about it?
So what is the problem then? That he uses religious references in his music but they aren't meant to promote religion? What is your beef? He can't ever use the word soul?
go back and read my first post and then tell me how you determined that "I hate religion", dumbass.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
i'm convinced that many of you have serious reading comprehension deficiencies. i don't have a problem with Ed using the word soul, because that's not exclusively a religious word. i'm not going to repeat everything i've typed. go back and re-read it if you don't understand.
Do you hate religion? If not, then why do you have a problem with a few references (weak ones) to religion that aren't meant to be religious, and are spoken by someone who despises religion? You are odd.
"Too many soul saving and prayer references for my taste."
It's OK to go off about war, Bush, abortion, etc... but a vague mention of religion and its a turn off?
And, btw.. just putting "I don't mind anybody's religion, I just don't like it in my rock music." doesn't just make the rest of your statements all of the sudden less abrasive.
"I admire the life Ted Kennedy had but wow he was a murdering douchebag who got away with killing a woman."
(would anyone say that I really admired Ted Kennedy? Didn't think so)
i just don't want it included in my rock music. religion is pretty much responsible for a large portion of the suffering that has taken place throughout the course of history. still, i don't "hate" it.
i'm not sure why this strikes you as odd, it's a pretty simple conclusion.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"