The ONLY thing I don't love about BS....

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  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    csickels wrote:
    actually, religious people (even conservatives) do kill many more babies than abortion ever will. they just wait until they are born and either starve them or drop bombs on their heads.
    Again... :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Even wars based on religion wouldn't have bombs to drop on heads unless you're going to say WW1/WW2/Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan are 'religious wars.'

    And starving them? Are you kidding me? Do you not know how much money/time/aid/service religions give towards the poor? They do food pantries, missionary work, food drops to other countries.

    Apparently your knowledge isn't that great since its apparently coming from some really, really angry sources. But hey, you don't hate religion, right? I mean after all, a few references to it didn't make you come on here to complain about it, right?
  • CranMalReign
    CranMalReign Posts: 1,928
    I'm bored. :|
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    I honestly don't get that at all.

    And I'm a person who wouldn't mind it if they were there.

    EDIT: Just to tackle one of these ... "I'll say your prayers." It's not "I'll say MY prayers." The point of that bridge is "I'll do anything you want me to, in order to 'fix' this." HE's saying I'll say your prayers EVEN IF I DON'T BELIEVE THEM, if that will make you happy. It kind of reminds me of a lesser lyric from a Green Day song: "I'll go with you to church on Sunday, if you'll come with me on Friday night."

    So, no, not Christian rock.
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  • Evolution6579
    Evolution6579 Posts: 624
    edited September 2009
    Okay, I'm from West Virginia, the closest thing to living in the Bible Belt without living there. I am also Buddhist.

    All this discussion and argumentative back-and-forth about religious lyrics seems a bit silly on a Pearl Jam message board. The band and, more specifically, Eddie know that their fans run the gamut from Hindu to Christian and make the lyrics intentionally subdued and non-selective.

    Csickels says organized religion is bad. I agree. He says there are religious lyrics on Backspacer. I agree. Does it turn me away from the songs? Hell no! (You like what I did there?)

    Csickels, it does seem like you are against religion altogether or else just as close-minded as most West Virginians. Forget what man has done in the name of "God" because man does not truly understand the teachings of their prophets. Humans long ago lost touch with their true nature. That is why NOW they use religion as an excuse to control the chaos. Personally, I look at any religious story and see beyond the bullshit and dogma. I try to live my life based on the morals of these books.

    My mom does not understand Buddhism, therefore she doesn't like it. Even after I throw out some of the correlations between Jesus and Buddha, she looks at me like I am lost. She doesn't get it because she has been blinded by the dogma of Christianity and the fallacy of man's understanding of the teachings of Jesus.

    The stories of the Bible and the Koran and all the other various "tales", and I use that word with utmost reverence, are cores of behavior by which to live. These parables are meant to uplift, not fill you with hatred. They were meant to elicit fellowship amongst all men.
    Post edited by Evolution6579 on
    Chicago 8-23-09

  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    csickels wrote:
    Riot_Mac wrote:
    You are really stretching here. I find it funny. You do know that Ed doesn't believe in god.


    how do you know? save the Garafolo article. I realize he DIDN'T. There's know way for either of us to know if he DOESN"T. Unless you are his wife or something.

    "I'd like to thank God, who I don't believe in, for giving me this award."

    "The real question isn't, how long did it take God to create man, but how long did it take man to create God."

    "I thought I thought the world. Turns out the world thought me."
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    Evolution6579 wrote:
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    How is Christianity responsible for starvation?

    Is this a rhetorical question? LOLZ


    To rainy for golf. Um, how is Christianity responsible for starving? Not a rhetorical question, but an actual question to you.
  • CranMalReign
    CranMalReign Posts: 1,928
    I think Ed's next song should reference gopherwood.
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  • jwillmo
    jwillmo Posts: 471
    Are there two people posting under the name csickels? I've never seen a thread with more contradictions by the same poster. It was almost comical. It was like someone was adapting the "Brutus is an honorable man" speech from Julius Caesar in forum form.

    Plus, I don't like the racist overtones of the name "csickels". Sounds too much like "sickle cell". Don't get me wrong, I don't "hate" racists, I just think they should all die a horrible painful death and burn in hell for eternity. But I'm not religious, so I don't even believe in hell. My head hurts!

    ;););););););););)
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    CranMalReign wrote:
    I think Ed's next song should reference gopherwood.

    I think they should cover Jesus Don't Want Me For a Sunbeam, which was also covered by the noted Christian rock band Nirvana.
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  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    slightofjeff wrote:
    CranMalReign wrote:
    I think Ed's next song should reference gopherwood.

    I think they should cover Jesus Don't Want Me For a Sunbeam, which was also covered by the noted Christian rock band Nirvana.
    Did you know Kurt wanted to change his name to John so he could be just like JC? :)
  • NoelMichael
    NoelMichael Posts: 1,635
    Well yeah Ed's been vocal for 18 years about being against religion, but you're missing the rest of the lyrics: "Gotta say it now, better loud than too late"
    Change of hearts are in fact possible, and are most likely the case when someone sees the light.
    All that said, I don't know why people always assume Ed is talking about himself in every song. Do I think this song is about someone finding faith? Yeah, but that's just me. Every song is open to interpretation, and this song could be about any change of heart for anyone
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  • corduroykelly
    corduroykelly Posts: 668
    Why does everyone who complains or criticizes starts of Oh I don't mean to complain or criticize................
    and then they do!
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    corduroykelly wrote:
    Why does everyone who complains or criticizes starts of Oh I don't mean to complain or criticize................

    Or, "I've been a fan of the band back when they were Mother Love Bone ... or actually, before that. In fact, I came up with the name Mother Love Bone. Anyway, the new album sucks."

    :lol:
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  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Or, "I've been a fan of the band back when they were Mother Love Bone ... or actually, before that. In fact, I came up with the name Mother Love Bone. Anyway, the new album sucks."

    :lol:
    That's pretty good... My favorite is telling people that Green River rehearsed in my basement and that's when they actually had talent. :D
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    One of the things that has always drawn me to Pearl Jam's music, is that it is spiritual without being religious. I don't believe in any god or any religion, but I still hold on to the feeling that there is more to life than this world, and that our souls live on. I feel like I know this is all true despite the fact that I can't prove any of it. I grew up having to attend a very joyless, hypocritical evangelical protestant church every Sunday, and I had to go the bible camp every summer for two weeks, one week with just kids, and another week with family. For the most part, I hated it. There were a few songs that we would sing at camp that I actually liked, and I was happy to find out later they actually were not Christian hymns. I Shall Be Released was one of them (my favorite one), and it turns out it's a Bob Dylan song, made famous by The Band, one of my favorite bands nowadays. I loved the way it was sung at camp... the boys would sing a line, like "I see my light come shining", and then the girls would sing the same line with a slightly different melody at a higher key before the next line started... I loved hearing the girls sing in unison. Very, very cool.

    I found more spirituality in the world when I got to be an adult and stopped going to church. Music, art, and nature are my new church, and I don't have to believe in any silly nonsense that someone wrote down in a book a long time ago.

    So when Eddie sings about "the other side" and saving souls, I don't hear that as Christian beliefs, because I know they are not... EV has been quite clear about that. These are concepts that predate organized religion, and exist outside of religion. You can discard or disregard your soul... many people do... and later, something brings it back, and some people think it's Jesus or Allah or Buddha that saves it, but I think it's something much more real than that.
  • Evolution6579
    Evolution6579 Posts: 624
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Evolution6579 wrote:
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    How is Christianity responsible for starvation?

    Is this a rhetorical question? LOLZ


    To rainy for golf. Um, how is Christianity responsible for starving? Not a rhetorical question, but an actual question to you.

    When you posted it, I was thinking about knowledge and the Catholic Church's need to control what is and is not considered to be canon.

    Starvation of minds, sir.
    Chicago 8-23-09

  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    Evolution6579 wrote:
    When you posted it, I was thinking about knowledge and the Catholic Church's need to control what is and is not considered to be canon.

    Starvation of minds, sir.
    That's two completely different things though. The OP was saying that religion is responsible for killing more babies through both starving them and bombing them.
  • Gmoney
    Gmoney Posts: 1,618
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I honestly don't get that at all.

    And I'm a person who wouldn't mind it if they were there.

    EDIT: Just to tackle one of these ... "I'll say your prayers." It's not "I'll say MY prayers." The point of that bridge is "I'll do anything you want me to, in order to 'fix' this." HE's saying I'll say your prayers EVEN IF I DON'T BELIEVE THEM, if that will make you happy. It kind of reminds me of a lesser lyric from a Green Day song: "I'll go with you to church on Sunday, if you'll come with me on Friday night."

    So, no, not Christian rock.
    slightofjeff, i must say, you are on point this week! ;)
    Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
  • over bends
    over bends Posts: 1,568
    Religion can control my government, my president... but I'll be fucked if it seeps its way into my music.
    Yield!

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  • Evolution6579
    Evolution6579 Posts: 624
    drsluggo wrote:
    Evolution6579 wrote:
    When you posted it, I was thinking about knowledge and the Catholic Church's need to control what is and is not considered to be canon.

    Starvation of minds, sir.
    That's two completely different things though. The OP was saying that religion is responsible for killing more babies through both starving them and bombing them.

    I should have prefaced my post, then. Sorry.
    Chicago 8-23-09

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