First time in my life I was not a proud fan of this band...

elevation622

Cosmo wrote:

I find it a bit amusing when people get all upset because Pearl Jam is 'sleeping with a corporate giant' (i.e. Target).
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Do they know what that little Sony/Epic logo is on their copies of 'Ten' and Vs' is?

I find it a bit amusing when people toss around the quote from the same article EVERYBODY read.

adamdude

slightofjeff wrote:

SM10080 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I find it a bit amusing when people get all upset because Pearl Jam is 'sleeping with a corporate giant' (i.e. Target).
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Do they know what that little Sony/Epic logo is on their copies of 'Ten' and Vs' is?

A label that you signed a contract with in 1991 is one thing. Partnering with a big box retailer that sells albums at discounts because they buy on volume is another (and are pricing other, local retailers out). Particularly when you have stood against such entities in the past.

So you're defending poor, little Wal-Mart now? The little guy always gets screwed!

I didn't see Wal-Mart mentioned anywhere in that post.

SM10080

slightofjeff wrote:

SM10080 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I find it a bit amusing when people get all upset because Pearl Jam is 'sleeping with a corporate giant' (i.e. Target).
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Do they know what that little Sony/Epic logo is on their copies of 'Ten' and Vs' is?

A label that you signed a contract with in 1991 is one thing. Partnering with a big box retailer that sells albums at discounts because they buy on volume is another (and are pricing other, local retailers out). Particularly when you have stood against such entities in the past.

So you're defending poor, little Wal-Mart now? The little guy always gets screwed!

Hell no. Wal-mart is the same thing as target. I don't know where you get that shit. I think having target, walmart, kmart...any fucking retailer in your video/commercial is unseemly.

slightofjeff

adamdude wrote:

I didn't see Wal-Mart mentioned anywhere in that post.

Obviously, you don't really have an understanding in how this works. Wal-Mart and the other big box retailers are the only people who get screwed by the Target deal.

If you're whining about it, you're basically saying, "I wish I could buy this album at Wal-Mart."

slightofjeff

SM10080 wrote:

Hell no. Wal-mart is the same thing as target.

This isn't even close to being true.

drsluggo

Cosmo wrote:

I find it a bit amusing when people get all upset because Pearl Jam is 'sleeping with a corporate giant' (i.e. Target).
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Do they know what that little Sony/Epic logo is on their copies of 'Ten' and Vs' is?

"We fought our way through eight records at Sony and J to get ourselves in a position where we could cut a deal to get paid $5 a record, rather than $1.50 or $2." - Stone

Again I'm not upset about them giving Target the record because they should try to make as much as they can, but I am not going to listen to people saying this was motivated by doing right for us fans or doing something that was not based on a financial reason.

adamdude

slightofjeff wrote:

If you're whining about it, you're basically saying, "I wish I could buy this album at Wal-Mart."

thats very logical, congrats.

slightofjeff

drsluggo wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I find it a bit amusing when people get all upset because Pearl Jam is 'sleeping with a corporate giant' (i.e. Target).
...
Do they know what that little Sony/Epic logo is on their copies of 'Ten' and Vs' is?

"We fought our way through eight records at Sony and J to get ourselves in a position where we could cut a deal to get paid $5 a record, rather than $1.50 or $2." - Stone

Again I'm not upset about them giving Target the record because they should try to make as much as they can, but I am not going to listen to people saying this was motivated by doing right for us fans or doing something that was not based on a financial reason.

And?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

well Wal-mart is a lot closer to my house, and Target is all the way across town...

fucking sellouts! You picked the wrong store!

SM10080

slightofjeff wrote:

SM10080 wrote:

Hell no. Wal-mart is the same thing as target.

This isn't even close to being true.

Guy, they are direct competitors at mass retail. If you don't understand that, I don't even know what to say. Target getting a PJ exclusive is a direct result, and attempt to counter, Wal-mart's exclusive deals. This is kind of common knowledge dude.

slightofjeff

SM10080 wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

SM10080 wrote:

Hell no. Wal-mart is the same thing as target.

This isn't even close to being true.

Guy, they are direct competitors at mass retail. If you don't understand that, I don't even know what to say. Target getting a PJ exclusive is a direct result, and attempt to counter, Wal-mart's exclusive deals. This is kind of common knowledge dude.

Right, but if you think Wal-Mart is the same as Target, in terms of corporate greed, etc etc etc ... that's not even close to being true.

Ledbetterman10

SM10080 wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

SM10080 wrote:

Hell no. Wal-mart is the same thing as target.

This isn't even close to being true.

Guy, they are direct competitors at mass retail. If you don't understand that, I don't even know what to say. Target getting a PJ exclusive is a direct result, and attempt to counter, Wal-mart's exclusive deals. This is kind of common knowledge dude.

What are ya saying? Wal-mart is a big, evil corporation so they get AC/DC and Target isn't so they get Pearl Jam? If they're in direct competition, then they must be pretty similar....like McDonalds and Burger King.

RoughMix

PatrickBateman wrote:

It's not like they are doing a commercial Old Spice deodorant

Hey man,don't pick on Tony Stewart.

SM10080

This isn't even close to being true.[/quote]

Guy, they are direct competitors at mass retail. If you don't understand that, I don't even know what to say. Target getting a PJ exclusive is a direct result, and attempt to counter, Wal-mart's exclusive deals. This is kind of common knowledge dude.[/quote]

Right, but if you think Wal-Mart is the same as Target, in terms of corporate greed, etc etc etc ... that's not even close to being true.[/quote]

What!??? They battle over the same real estate in developing cities! Wal-mart makes higher level employees sign non-competes when they are hired that stipulate they can't go to Target if they leave, and vice-versa. They are cut-throat in their pursuit of the other's profits. If you think Target wants to make a little less than Wal-mart so they aren't as 'greedy', you are truly naive.

SM10080

Guy, they are direct competitors at mass retail. If you don't understand that, I don't even know what to say. Target getting a PJ exclusive is a direct result, and attempt to counter, Wal-mart's exclusive deals. This is kind of common knowledge dude.[/quote]

What are ya saying? Wal-mart is a big, evil corporation so they get AC/DC and Target isn't so they get Pearl Jam? If they're in direct competition, then they must be pretty similar....like McDonalds and Burger King.[/quote]

That is a perfect analogy.

slightofjeff

SM10080 wrote:

This isn't even close to being true.

Guy, they are direct competitors at mass retail. If you don't understand that, I don't even know what to say. Target getting a PJ exclusive is a direct result, and attempt to counter, Wal-mart's exclusive deals. This is kind of common knowledge dude.[/quote]

Right, but if you think Wal-Mart is the same as Target, in terms of corporate greed, etc etc etc ... that's not even close to being true.[/quote]

What!??? They battle over the same real estate in developing cities! Wal-mart makes higher level employees sign non-competes when they are hired that stipulate they can't go to Target if they leave, and vice-versa. They are cut-throat in their pursuit of the other's profits. If you think Target wants to make a little less than Wal-mart so they aren't as 'greedy', you are truly naive.[/quote]

Target has a much better track record in terms of employee benefits and charitable giving, etc etc. But screw it. You're right. Pearl Jam are sellouts. Fuck 'em.

Now can we move on to something else? Please?

Arguing over something that happened like six months ago is really kind of ridiculous.

Gardenparty

weiner

Hugh Freaking Dillon

MAS wrote:

What was always so cool about this band was that they did things on their own terms, without any real promotion. Especially not by jumping into bed with a huge co. like Target. Why didn't thay use this marketing ploy for No Code, Yield, Binaural, or any other album for that matter? It just put a bad taste in my mouth....

this IS doing things on their own terms, in the context of the music industry of 2009. They couldn't be doing things MORE on their own terms, and that includes doing a commercial with the Target logo in the back.

Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with it at all. If Eddie was, say, pushing Target brand toilet paper in the commercial, well, that might be a different story altogether, but they are promoting their own product, not the store or the store's product.

RD171825

Some people are forgetting the fact that the band is WITHOUT a record deal. They needed a way to distribute their music so it could be heard and not everybody has access to pearljam.com or an indy record store. I don't think the commercial is a big deal, its promoting the album not Target. Its not like they are selling Cadillac's or some other shitty product....

Times have changed, as others have said this is not the same band it was 15 years ago and if you still want them to be the same band you're gonna be sadly disappointed.

slightofjeff

I just can't believe, two days after the new album comes out, there is an eight-page thread on the deal they signed with Target six months ago.