I'll never forget the shock at seeing Iggy Pop advertising fucking car insurance (in the UK)!!
Coincidentally, that advert was actually taken off air because it came to light that said car insurance company refuses to give a policy to musicians!
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Was last night when I saw their Target commercial....It was as cheesey as it gets. I never thought I would see the day. Oh well....
I respectfully have to disagree..Anytime I can see PJ on TV i'll take it!
Hell, I was watching SportsCenter last week and they started playing Fixer during the Top 10 plays!
I went nuts!
Ok, I still don’t know why people think the commercial was cheesy.
If you think it’s cheesy you must think the music video was cheesy too. yes?
The commercial was the video. Only difference is the commercial had the target logo floating around in the background.
am I thinking of the same commercial? Because really I don’t get all the fuss.
It’s the corporate thing isn’t it? you can’t stand they went with target and you’re using the commercial is a scapegoat.
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Ok, I still don’t know why people think the commercial was cheesy.
If you think it’s cheesy you must think the music video was cheesy too. yes?
The commercial was the video. Only difference is the commercial had the target logo floating around in the background.
am I thinking of the same commercial? Because really I don’t get all the fuss.
Well, to be fair, the video was pretty crappy, too.
But who cares?
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Ok, I still don’t know why people think the commercial was cheesy.
If you think it’s cheesy you must think the music video was cheesy too. yes?
The commercial was the video. Only difference is the commercial had the target logo floating around in the background.
am I thinking of the same commercial? Because really I don’t get all the fuss.
i got lost with the thread title....i have no comprehension of being "proud" of being a fan, of anything really....b/c what do you have to be proud of? you've got nothing to do with it! so seems misplaced pride at best.
btw - i actually saw the commerical! i rarely watch tv, but my husband happened to have palladia? on and it just popped up, the only thing i could think was wow...i am seeing pj on tv, hahahaha!
who what !@#$%^& people get upset over a commercial oh my i'm embarrased :oops: to be here amongst the clueless, who cares, why care. surely you have more important things to get upset over no ?,healthcare ,welfare,warfare,please tell me you do :roll: :roll: .....
who what !@#$%^& people get upset over a commercial oh my i'm embarrased :oops: to be here amongst the clueless, who cares, why care. surely you have more important things to get upset over no ?,healthcare ,welfare,warfare,please tell me you do :roll: :roll: .....
Sadly you can't have even this rational of a conversation with people about health care, welfare, wars, etc... this is easier.
Well, to be fair, the video was pretty crappy, too.
ok, i get that.
of course if you didn't like the video you wouldn't like the commercial.
Well, the commercial is shorter. So it has *that* going for it.
Honestly, my opinion on the video/commercial has always been: Yeah, it's not great. I'm not sure it was really supposed to be. It's a video most of the world will never see on TV, and a commercial that will be gone in a week. It is what it is. It's not a great piece of art, but it's harmless.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
What was always so cool about this band was that they did things on their own terms, without any real promotion. Especially not by jumping into bed with a huge co. like Target. Why didn't thay use this marketing ploy for No Code, Yield, Binaural, or any other album for that matter? It just put a bad taste in my mouth....
This was on their own terms. All of it was. They didn't do this before because they didn't have to; they were with a major label that did the bulk of the promoting for them. Now they don't have a large company doing that for them. They had to promote, there's no question there. The question was with or through whom. They chose Target. Ed has said numerous times that they decided that Target would allow them to get what they believed was due to them for the music, while also giving the fans the best access to the music at a reasonable price. It doesn't get anymore "on their own terms" than that. They could have gone to Best Buy, they could have gone to Walmart, hell, they could have sold the thing exclusively at Starbucks. But they didn't, they chose Target because that's what they felt was best. If you sit there and think they could have made any semblance of money off of this record by selling it solely through indie stores.... you're whistlin' Dixie my friend.
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i got lost with the thread title....i have no comprehension of being "proud" of being a fan, of anything really....b/c what do you have to be proud of? you've got nothing to do with it! so seems misplaced pride at best.
i see what you're saying.
what about being proud of what the members of pj have stood up for?
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i got lost with the thread title....i have no comprehension of being "proud" of being a fan, of anything really....b/c what do you have to be proud of? you've got nothing to do with it! so seems misplaced pride at best.
i see what you're saying.
what about being proud of what the members of pj have stood up for?
but why should we be proud? i still think it's the wrong term. admire and respect them for it, sure...but given the fact that i am not their mommy , nor (sadly) their S.O. ......yea...i have nothing to do with any of it, thus.....why pride? just how my mind works.....
Does it really matter what the band does, other than the music? When you put on your headphones and press play, its just you and the music.
The band has made a point of making their causes and beliefs a large part of the whole Pearl Jam experience/persona/whatever. I think that's why people tend to care...
. If you sit there and think they could have made any semblance of money off of this record by selling it solely through indie stores.... you're whistlin' Dixie my friend.[/quote]
Was last night when I saw their Target commercial....It was as cheesey as it gets. I never thought I would see the day. Oh well....
i personally thought it was an absolute masterpiece
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I'm proud of the band for doing business the way they think is best for themselves and their fans. If it means "selling out" a bit to self-promote Backspacer, fine. At least they don't have Pearl Jam action figures. Not yet, at least.
Who cares about a silly commercial? I saw Pearl Jam blow the roof off the Key two nights in a row and I felt proud as hell to be a Pearl Jam fan last night when they all took a bow and said goodbye.
It is all how you look at it. I guess you could view it as a "sellout" but it would be pretty ignorant. The band owns themselves and that is simply not the case with any major act or band. I see it as them rising above the machine using it, and truthfully everyone in America has access to target. Its totally funny, this is one band that has never danced like monkeys on a string and yet gets harped on by sixties burnouts looking superficially at them as "sellouts". . It ain't the 60's no mo peeps!
when one uses the machine one does not rise above it. one becomes a part of that machine.
i dont give a rats arse how the band promotes its shit. not even when in doing so they promote a major corporation. thats their choice. but what i dont have to do is like it.
i dont consider it selling out cause that would require them having something to sellout from and as far as i can remember theyve always been aligned with major corporations so...
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My buddy, who is 3 years older than me and really got me into PJ back when Ten came out (I was 15 and he was 18), texted me the other night, saying, "Did I just see Pearl Jam in a fucking Target commercial?!!?!" I wrote back and told him that yes, it was weird to see, but the album is fantastic. He's admittedly fallen out of the PJ loop, probably since Vitalogy. We see each other 1-2 times a year and he always asks if I'm still a big fan.
He called me last night and said that he went out to Target to buy the album and he can't stop listening to it. He's right back into it, like a born-again fan.
So I know of at least one person for whom the commercial caused to go out and get the album.
The stupid part of this debate is that people feel it is selling out because the band are no longer doing things "on their own terms", which simply isn't true. You think that they were able to do things on their own terms in the past, when they were signed to a major label? Getting a dollar per CD, no matter where it's sold. This time around they had much more control - they didn't have to grovel for help from retailers - Target (and others) had to give the band proposals they were satisfied with otherwise THEY would miss out on business - so who had the control this time around? By dealing with Target (plus Independent Stores) who exactly is missing out? The only group I can think of are the other retailers but there is no reason for fans to care about that. Does it really matter that Target is getting it instead of Walmart or whatever other US retailer would usually have it as well?
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I'll never forget the shock at seeing Iggy Pop advertising fucking car insurance (in the UK)!!
Coincidentally, that advert was actually taken off air because it came to light that said car insurance company refuses to give a policy to musicians!
I respectfully have to disagree..Anytime I can see PJ on TV i'll take it!
Hell, I was watching SportsCenter last week and they started playing Fixer during the Top 10 plays!
I went nuts!
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PruCenter - 05/18/10
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MSG 2 - 05/21/10
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It took me forever to get over the commercials for Yield and now this! :arrow:
If you think it’s cheesy you must think the music video was cheesy too. yes?
The commercial was the video. Only difference is the commercial had the target logo floating around in the background.
am I thinking of the same commercial? Because really I don’t get all the fuss.
It’s the corporate thing isn’t it? you can’t stand they went with target and you’re using the commercial is a scapegoat.
Well, to be fair, the video was pretty crappy, too.
But who cares?
for the least they could possibly do
i got lost with the thread title....i have no comprehension of being "proud" of being a fan, of anything really....b/c what do you have to be proud of? you've got nothing to do with it! so seems misplaced pride at best.
btw - i actually saw the commerical! i rarely watch tv, but my husband happened to have palladia? on and it just popped up, the only thing i could think was wow...i am seeing pj on tv, hahahaha!
Let's just breathe...
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ok, i get that.
of course if you didn't like the video you wouldn't like the commercial.
Well, the commercial is shorter. So it has *that* going for it.
Honestly, my opinion on the video/commercial has always been: Yeah, it's not great. I'm not sure it was really supposed to be. It's a video most of the world will never see on TV, and a commercial that will be gone in a week. It is what it is. It's not a great piece of art, but it's harmless.
for the least they could possibly do
This was on their own terms. All of it was. They didn't do this before because they didn't have to; they were with a major label that did the bulk of the promoting for them. Now they don't have a large company doing that for them. They had to promote, there's no question there. The question was with or through whom. They chose Target. Ed has said numerous times that they decided that Target would allow them to get what they believed was due to them for the music, while also giving the fans the best access to the music at a reasonable price. It doesn't get anymore "on their own terms" than that. They could have gone to Best Buy, they could have gone to Walmart, hell, they could have sold the thing exclusively at Starbucks. But they didn't, they chose Target because that's what they felt was best. If you sit there and think they could have made any semblance of money off of this record by selling it solely through indie stores.... you're whistlin' Dixie my friend.
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i see what you're saying.
what about being proud of what the members of pj have stood up for?
but why should we be proud? i still think it's the wrong term. admire and respect them for it, sure...but given the fact that i am not their mommy
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
ha!
exactlly.
it's not art it's not supposed to be. it's a selling mechanism.
Apparently it does by the looks of this thread.
i'm a semantics junkie. :geek:
this thread? 98% of this forum!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
That's my point.
i personally thought it was an absolute masterpiece
when one uses the machine one does not rise above it. one becomes a part of that machine.
i dont give a rats arse how the band promotes its shit. not even when in doing so they promote a major corporation. thats their choice. but what i dont have to do is like it.
i dont consider it selling out cause that would require them having something to sellout from and as far as i can remember theyve always been aligned with major corporations so...
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even the cheesy fake cheering???
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He called me last night and said that he went out to Target to buy the album and he can't stop listening to it. He's right back into it, like a born-again fan.
So I know of at least one person for whom the commercial caused to go out and get the album.